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They were trying to figure out how knights move over the board, realising that magnus has already figured that out they saw no point other than drawing,

@DhanushV2206

5 ай бұрын

Nice one 😂😂

@user-pg3ng9wz4x

5 ай бұрын

Pity. Just pity. No respect for the game and themselves. There was a time when the players were not just good players but they had also strong personalities. It seems that these years are gone...

@mcawesome4150

5 ай бұрын

You can hear them mention Magnus at 1:57

@VictorMarwood

5 ай бұрын

​@@user-pg3ng9wz4x They were speaking about demonstrating a protest against this poor organized event before the game. 7 hours for 12 blitz games is way too much. Also, because of this single game you think Dubov and Nepo has no "strong" personalities? And no respect for the game? Get over yourself, mate.

@user-pg3ng9wz4x

5 ай бұрын

How old are u "mate"? @@VictorMarwood

Would love to see Agadmator cover this game. "And already as of move 2, we have a new game!"

@hawkara

5 ай бұрын

#suggestion

@nikhilmurarka1070

5 ай бұрын

You don't watch his videos carefully." And already as of move 2, we have a completely new game"

@MMarinovWildRift

5 ай бұрын

realy never played ? cool

@sugarcravings1797

5 ай бұрын

Actually this is a well-known draw game used by grandmasters to end matches quickly.

@nordkapp3297

5 ай бұрын

"and it was in this position, after move 12, that the players agreed to a draw as there is nothing more to be done here"

At the start of the video: MVL: "Who are you playing?" Nepo: "Dubov" Nepo: "Maybe I should, you know, delay for a couple of mins.. get guaranteed draw. Draw with mercy!" MVL: "Over under how many moves?" Nepo: "2 moves" Context: Previously during Round 8, Artemiev vs Dubov; Artemiev turns up 1 min late, plays 1 move with black; Dubov offers a draw as white with 1 min ahead on the clock, Artemiev accepts it.

@VijayThakurMD

5 ай бұрын

Translate the rest plz pzk plz plz

@ferretdash

5 ай бұрын

I think he said 12 moves not 2 moves. the game ended in 12 moves.

@CertifiedGenius007

5 ай бұрын

@@ferretdash he is talking about the Dubov Artemiev game where Dubov offered draw in 2 moves, hence Nepo is saying if he comes in late as well, he would get a mercy draw offer from Dubov after 2 moves.

@ferretdash

5 ай бұрын

@@CertifiedGenius007 oh i see

@morcjul

5 ай бұрын

Why is Dubov throwing so much? Dude is talented as hell but only in for the jokes

Dubov's Ng5 obviously surprised Nepo and he realized he was going to be way out of book in this one.

@Noi334-ib3jh

5 ай бұрын

They planed all moves before the games, as russian i understand that they speaking aboute

@VijayThakurMD

5 ай бұрын

​@@Noi334-ib3jh😂😂 loved the game Fide rules are stupid

@happyrabbit7944

5 ай бұрын

@@Noi334-ib3jh Ян нифига не запомнил и чуть не зевнул лошадь!

@raymondlabelle387

5 ай бұрын

@@VijayThakurMD Well, the arbiter used the Fide rules to give 0 points to both players. "Chief Arbiter IA Ivan Syrovy first informed of his decision to give 0 points to both contenders based on subsections 11.1 and 12.9.5 of FIDE’s Laws of Chess: 11.1. The players shall take no action that will bring the game of chess into disrepute. 12.9.5. Options available to the arbiter concerning penalties: reducing the points scored in the game by the offending player. According to Syrovy, the moves played in the game demonstrate that Dubov and Nepomniachtchi had prearranged the result of the game. The players objected to the decision, which prompted a referral to the Appeals Committee. The Committee unanimously voted (3/3) to reject the appeal." From: en.chessbase.com/post/world-rapid-blitz-2023-d4 But that was not said in this video, maybe you did not know.

For those who are curious what they are discussing before the match, yes, they are arranging the draw on the spot and deciding how to do it with the knights.

@tsetsooooo

5 ай бұрын

Ok, But why?

@idisplaypace2411

5 ай бұрын

Damn bro I couldnt tell

@jojochess2883

5 ай бұрын

@@tsetsooooo idk ask them lol. They were also saying that they will have 7.5 points after the draw and were naming more players that will have the same score

@subashrahul7964

5 ай бұрын

Bro they just magnus win for that only they are making you know dubov got after this match point 15.5 magnus was 16 if he scored 16 too it would been a match between magnus and dubov but he done wantedly​@@tsetsooooo

they were discussing something about knights move chain before the game and I'm pretty sure that they both are really afraid to catch some knight fork, that's why they decided to remind each other how this tricky animal has to move, that's a very clever strategy!

@MrGoose_7

5 ай бұрын

and so it was, they were still discussing the group of leaders and the party of Nepo and Vlad, as Vlad refused the proposed draw of Nepo, but then agreed when the position became a draw. Just in case, I'll say that I know Russian and understood what they were talking about

@happyrabbit7944

5 ай бұрын

@@MrGoose_7 ну так я просто обобщил, а вот то что Влад отказался сначала я что-то не расслышал :(

@LinZhao57

5 ай бұрын

Can someone translate what did they say before the game?

@happyrabbit7944

5 ай бұрын

@@LinZhao57 I already wrote it below.. in short words joking, tournament situation and brand new knights dance opening

It is some type of trolling. A lot of professional chess players play forced draw variations when they need a break. Here it is just an open draw without serious chess as cover.

They are saying in the very beginning that this is a demonstrative protest against poor event organization. 7 hours for 12 blitz games are way too much.

@mr.schloopka1124

5 ай бұрын

What? Standart blitz tournament is 11 or 13 rounds in one day. The conditions are the same for everyone.

@steelsteez6118

5 ай бұрын

​​​@@mr.schloopka1124they are saying the organization of the event is poor for everyone, not just them, duh.

@nk73

5 ай бұрын

Russians dont protest, is that allowed in Russia? And they didnt know the format before coming to the tournament?

@filjushawf

5 ай бұрын

@@nk73 are you a nazi?

@evanling7570

5 ай бұрын

Let’s hope a bunch of players follow suit and withdraw

Nepo's reaction at 5:12 is so funny xDDD even Dubov dropped a smile

@happyrabbit7944

5 ай бұрын

Nepo just forget the proper chain of the moves for a couple of seconds at that moment :( because the night dance opening is relatively new opening for him...

@NJ-wb1cz

5 ай бұрын

I think Nepo saw that Dubov could've done some damage with this, so at that point Nepo had to simply trust him that he won't

"Never move a piece twice in opening"

@mcawesome4150

5 ай бұрын

they moved it more than twice so it’s okay

@shaurveya

5 ай бұрын

​@@mcawesome4150yeah that's fair too

@triscuit5103

5 ай бұрын

Ok I'll move it 8 times then

@shreyaskrishna6038

5 ай бұрын

Top level players know when to break such principles..

So kind of Dubov and Nepo to provide Hikaru with new content! Just two guys helping a bro out

@santishorts

5 ай бұрын

I look forward to having Hikaru read the FIDE ruling. "okay, let's keep going"

@happyrabbit7944

5 ай бұрын

Hikaru will be angry because he expected boncloud from both of them to make new content!

@chesscomsupport8689

5 ай бұрын

They also helped Magnus out by both scoring 0 points in that game

@sriracha9729

5 ай бұрын

Welcome back everyone

this like is for ChessBase India being there to film the game and its prelude, not for the "game" itself or what it represents. Kudos team, chess needs more journalists. This is a real service to the sport.

@professorx3060

5 ай бұрын

Agreed

they might have been given 0 points but for me both Nepo-Dubov are world champions by displaying such incredible draws at such intense moment Lol!

@userhandle-l

5 ай бұрын

It was very funny

@KornelSzalai

5 ай бұрын

They got it!

Better than the berlin draw

@evanling7570

5 ай бұрын

Qe4+ Qe6 Qd4 Qd6 smh

@resonance4789

5 ай бұрын

​@@evanling7570Bf4 Nh5 Bc1 Nf6 smh

@el_kasztanejlo8555

5 ай бұрын

Not when you discuss it and agree to it before the game starts. It’s called prearranging or rigging. They should get auto DQ for this clownery

@falcon_224

2 ай бұрын

​@@el_kasztanejlo8555 most Berlin draws are rigged too but you have plausible denaibility

The knight indeed moves like that

Dubov said he is quite unsatisfied with the conditions and organisation so he proposed to Ian "demonstrative clowning" with the knights.

@dereknichols4376

5 ай бұрын

Thats ok,as long as they didnt create conspiracy theory about biased org towards russian etc or 'helping' magnus win etc a very stupid conspiracy theory

@jamanic

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, Dubov literally said “let’s troll them” and proposed knight dance moves returning to the reversed initial position. Understanding this is “interesting” 😃, he also suggested to disappear immediately from the venue after they will finish the game.

@javahomes-um2pf

5 ай бұрын

This behaviour costed him golden medal. I don't think he is still smiling and mocking

@Pullapelle

5 ай бұрын

@@javahomes-um2pfDubov was never winning the title. Did not cost him anything, but his reputation. Which is not much…

@akio2730

5 ай бұрын

That’s not fairplay

happiest knight i have ever see 🤣

I honestly dont understand whats wrong with FIDE these days. Firstly the weird shoes fine made in the women's tournament, and now this. How on earth is this any sort of violation when a pre planned berlin draw is totally allowed and is happening since years.

@Littlefinin

5 ай бұрын

Do you think it was FIDE that made the decision? Let us be fair, and say it was a decision from the Chief Arbiter and not a decision made by FIDE.

@patrice1345

5 ай бұрын

No consistency and credibility from them, sort of like a soccer referee who’s not content with staying in the background and doing their job but rather wants to make themselves famous in a World Cup match.

@cooloutac

5 ай бұрын

shouldn't have been allowed for years bud.

@no_limit24

5 ай бұрын

@@Littlefinin Of course we'll question the Governing body and not an individual, what are you talking about?

@no_limit24

5 ай бұрын

@@cooloutac I agree with that, but that's a separate discussion, how would you stop Berlin draws, not so easy.

You might have just become the game changer by recording and publishing with original audio 👍

I can't believe I waited for that checkmateless game

This whole situation is kind of ironic considering how, a few years ago, Dubov found himself in a small bit of controversy when he collaborated with Carlsen instead of with Nepo during their WCC preparations. Now that Dubov does collaborate with Nepo, this happens.

@Carl-Gauss

5 ай бұрын

Cause this whole “scandal” didn’t harm their relationship at all, actually.

@Lol-qy1dy

5 ай бұрын

May be Dubov was a spy at Carlsen camp

@selle.662

5 ай бұрын

nepo is chill abt those things

Imagine getting mad about this kind of draw, but being okay with the Berlin draw being played like 5,000 times a year in top tournaments

@FenceThis

5 ай бұрын

because Berlin defend draws are actual best moves chain but this is deliberate weak and meaningless moves

@VijayThakurMD

5 ай бұрын

​@@FenceThisplays 12 moves of theory with intentions to draw is also useless Admit it fide rules are useless

@haakonht

5 ай бұрын

Because in many countries who have member associations of FIDE, match fixing is a *crime* and playing for a draw isn't.

@lucasmatsuoca

5 ай бұрын

@@VijayThakurMDthere are no ways to create absolute rules to prevent two players that wanna draw from drawing, as much as i dislike FIDE, there is not much they can do. It will be on players morals to decide how to act. To me is fine to draw, but not in such a 🤡 way. But I understand other people POV on this, because there is no way to draw a line on what is fine and what isn’t fine.

@VijayThakurMD

5 ай бұрын

@@lucasmatsuoca they can give 3 points for a win and half points for a draw, so that player try to win more

Forever known as 'The Dance Of The Knights' 😂

On December 30, 1936, the premiere of S. Prokofiev’s ballet “Romeo and Juliet” took place in Brno. There is a popular fragment "dance of the knights". Sergei Prokofiev loved chess very much and was proud of his draw with Lasker.

They were horsing around 😎

Beautiful choreographic dance with the knights! Superb!

This is a very complex, beautiful and creative game Very well played by both players!

@DarthMessias

5 ай бұрын

It does require skills to create a memorable draw...xD

Its very clear that this was done as a funny gesture, they could have played the berlin line and no one could have done a thing. This draw was to mock fide's double standards. This was the last gane of day 1 after 7 hours and both players just wanna go home, no one was scheming any advantage at this point. This was not some fixed draw at the end of day 2 to win the championship

@danielnery4054

5 ай бұрын

if they pre-arranged a Berlim draw, or any line for that matter, it would have been just as wrong. If you are sure a game was pre-arranged, you should obviously punish it. In this case, not only the moves but also their conversation before the game prove the pre-arrangement.

@neerajnongmaithem392

5 ай бұрын

@@danielnery4054 if you think most of the Berlin draws are not prearranged then you are just naive.

@danielnery4054

5 ай бұрын

@neerajnongmaithem392 I am absolutely sure most players don't literally agree to play a draw before hand, they just follow the line when both want it. Also, it doesn't matter if you think most are pre-arranged. Do you have any proof? We are talking about a case where there is literally a conversation recorded before the game where the players arrange the line.

@neerajnongmaithem392

5 ай бұрын

@@danielnery4054 I don't think but I know since I have been to many chess tournaments, and have been circle for years. Pre arranged draws among high class players is way common then you can think it is, these players have been playing each other since their childhood and have hundreds of games between each other. When the stakes are not so high and tiredness becomes a factor, players arrange their draw before hand. I know because I have been in the Frank conversation with many of ex seconds such strong players have. It's actually more come in open tournaments since they usually don't have all the time to prep and play a lot of games.

@danielnery4054

5 ай бұрын

@neerajnongmaithem392 so what is your point? - Do you think pre-arranging a result in a competitive game is OK and should not get punished? - Or are you saying that Berlim draws should get punished as well? Both options are ridiculous.

Nepo is Goat >>> Magnus

@andrewhughes7642

5 ай бұрын

I don't think Nepo ever criticised Dubov for helping Magnus, rather it was another Russian player that accused him of being unpatriotic.

@tym_fed

5 ай бұрын

@@andrewhughes7642 yeah Sergey Karjakin criticised him

@santiagodarlingtonarenas9114

5 ай бұрын

@@tym_fed And Karpov did it too

@NP68553

5 ай бұрын

After this match on special chess new year party Nepo and Dubov talking all night. Info from interview Nepo. They not best friends, but they are not enemies.

@jeremyrogers6179

5 ай бұрын

Dubov should be sent to the Gulag for his betrayal of his countrymen!

Good to see the friendship over rivalry

The real solution is nobody should be forced to play. They should be allowed to agree to a pre-arranged draw without playing any moves, if it benefits them both in the tourney. This is the same as poker tournaments splitting the prize, for example.

@karendesouza-ez4go

5 ай бұрын

🤡

@CC-ru4rr

5 ай бұрын

Yup. Something like 3 points for a win, 1 point for draw, 0 points for a loss

@resonance4789

5 ай бұрын

They already do that. Grandmaster draws exist for that reason

@dragonsjet2

5 ай бұрын

@@CC-ru4rr Thats how MTG tournaments do it, 3 points for win, 1 for draw, and intentional draws are a big part of the game because most tournaments have swiss but then a cut to top 8 playoff, so usually in the last round of swiss, the players at top of standings intentional draw the last round to lock a spot in top 8.

I like this way of making a Draw instead of Berlin. Now the question is will FIDE like it ☠

@raspaetau

5 ай бұрын

They did not lol

@el_kasztanejlo8555

5 ай бұрын

Not when you discuss it and agree to it before the game starts. It’s called prearranging or rigging. They should get auto DQ for this clownery

AMAZING! I'll add this to my chess opening repertoire! Very easy to memorize and it's FUN to use! 😂🎉😊😮

Should have awarded them 1-1 for such brillancies

@niv6924

5 ай бұрын

lol actually the opposite happened 😂 They were awarded 0-0 to discourage pre agreed play. Fair enough.

@domirosner

5 ай бұрын

@@nyxicsulfur Fide's statement

@morcjul

5 ай бұрын

Arbiter ruling. Fide might revert or increase the punishment

@thomasbrodie-sangsteredits5971

5 ай бұрын

@@morcjulwhy though? Yeah their drawing on purpose but why would they be punished further, they just don’t want to play today.

@morcjul

5 ай бұрын

@@thomasbrodie-sangsteredits5971 they didn't go with a drawish line, but played horrible blunders and ignored each other's blunders to make it obvious they were match fixing.

How did you get access to sound to these videos?

The weird stuff happens as early as 00:47, when Dubov adjusts the d2 pawn, after which it is not at the center of the square anymore.

@roytore5062

5 ай бұрын

Nice catch

@juandedomenico4306

5 ай бұрын

LMAOOOOO

How is this different from the draw in Berlin????

@el_kasztanejlo8555

5 ай бұрын

Because clowns prearranged and rigged the game before it even started. You get to a Berling position. These clowns didn’t even start the game and it was already decided.

Looking forward for their next lesson about how bishops move !

4:56 this is me playing with my sister. I would like to thank Chessbase India for covering this game ❤

FIDE has decided to punish the players and set the result to 0-0.

@Chomusuke71

5 ай бұрын

Really?

@denischinese

5 ай бұрын

Not true

@utsav45_

5 ай бұрын

@@Chomusuke71 yes FIDE officially tweeted

@t00mgoos

5 ай бұрын

yeah it is@@denischinese

@Glock7eventeen

5 ай бұрын

@@denischineseIt is true.

Nepo tweeted a video of Prokofiev's 'Dance of the Knights' after the FIDE docked points, hilarious!

This theoretical masterpiece is the latest engine inspired novelty. It is known as the "Knight-Cloud" opening. It gives both players excellent drawing chances.

This is much better than the 41 move fake draws by some players prepared at home together with the fake thinking phases so respect for trying to get rid of draws by making the pre-aranged draws totally ridiculous

I dont see how this is any different than the one opening that leads to the queens dancing for draw by repetition

@TheChessViking

5 ай бұрын

This isn't chess, the repetitions are actually logical chess moves even if they are boring. What they did in this one is just travesty, making a mockery of the game. 0-0 might not be enough punishment!

@OrtegaSauce

5 ай бұрын

@TheChessViking This game was actually more interesting compared to the repetitive opening I'm talking about. I get how uptight, conservative type traditional players/chess enjoyers see this game as an insult to chess, but the way I see it is, a draw is a draw, and that's how they should have treated it. And I'm not really trying to change anyone's minds about how/if they should be punished, I'm just saying my two cents

@myles5868

5 ай бұрын

@@TheChessViking They both result in the same thing though? In both situations a draw is already decided, so why does it matter how they go about it?

@Jesterian

5 ай бұрын

@@myles5868it truly doesn’t. Everyone saying this is “making a mockery of the game” is being so damn silly. If the result is exactly the same and already agreed upon, the moves literally don’t matter.

@shubomb

5 ай бұрын

Bcz in those Berlin draws both players are making the best moves in those positions, they always have the choice to deviate from the position but deviating doesn't give them any real advantage whereas here both the players are making objectively bad moves on purpose. The players here had the choice to deviate from this knight dance and have a real advantage in the game. For example position is -1.3 in black's favor according to stockfish after white's 2nd move. If you're replying with a blunder in response to a blunder from your oppostion on purpose then that's the very definition of match fixing.

Dear chessbase India can you upload Artemeiv vs Nepo too Please?

Hikaru and Magnus arranging the draw - "It's ok" Dubov and Nepo doing the same - "You have to stop it now!"

@HappySisyphus0

5 ай бұрын

Online tournament not run by FIDE =/ World championship

@danielnery4054

5 ай бұрын

What are you talking about? They never arranged anything. Hikaru was clearly surprised by Magnus' bongcloud.

@Bruh-bk6yo

5 ай бұрын

@@danielnery4054 yeah, and they played bongcloud, walked their kings to the center of the board. What a coincidence. And they never planned about a draw because they both had benefits from it.

@danielnery4054

5 ай бұрын

@@Bruh-bk6yo it's not a coincidence. Magnus played a bongcloud and Hikaru laughed and decided to do the same. What does that have to do with pre arranging a result?

This game broke the record of rating from Fide in a single game with 5000 and also introduced a new opening ..The Dubov's just horses Opening . And Nepo without reaction , asking for a draw ! Intense ...!

Both lost their 0.5 points because of this stupidity

Beautifully perfect. Fide are soulless clowns, or worse, for docking them both 0.5 points

Basically they both didn't like the organisation and Dubov suggested to play something stupid as a protest. I also don't understand btw the people who say Hikaru and Magnus draw in the double bongcloud is ok, but this isn't. If you have an opinion about prearranged draws and other kind of stuff, at least be consistent with it

@dereknichols4376

5 ай бұрын

I dont know why so many people compare it with magnus vs hikaru that was a private event by magnus,this is a official fide event,world championship even not even an equal comparison

@artaxz1750

5 ай бұрын

Playing something stupid as a protest?! That's really a stupid idea....

@kazimirmalevich6712

5 ай бұрын

@@artaxz1750 protest in the form of "refusing to eat" is not more intellectual, but nevertheless everyone sees it as a protest

@artaxz1750

5 ай бұрын

@kazimirmalevich6712 Why are they protesting? And why only one round?

@kazimirmalevich6712

5 ай бұрын

@@artaxz1750 At the beginning of the video you can hear them discussing the organization. Dubov is very unhappy with the organization, and then they spontaneously decide to protest against it.

Game of the year give Nepo his vip room 🤣

@aryanuniyal6004

5 ай бұрын

😂

Great game to show lighter side of Chess, top players were able to exhibit in online chess, whereas, on the physical board, many restrictions and formalities... Nice display of fun chess by Ian and dubov, for young kids 😂

All this proves is that Dubov and Nepo have a great sense of humour 😂😂😂

@jean-pierretilquin7827

5 ай бұрын

A great sense of stupidity.

@jotarokujo5132

5 ай бұрын

and you have proven to be stupid.

@bekkbekks7546

5 ай бұрын

cheating...agreed draw. good they lost their half point.

Could anyone make out anything from what they discussed before the game?

the way they are holding their laughs love them

@happyrabbit7944

5 ай бұрын

that's called conspiracy! standart thing for all KGB agents!

@Chelo._.

5 ай бұрын

​lol, grow up @@happyrabbit7944

@VijayThakurMD

5 ай бұрын

​@@happyrabbit7944yea yea when others do it it's okay when Russians do it it's a crime Btw how many Jews are banned from representing Israel after they invaded gaza ?

This video is going to viral for sure 😂

Apparently, fide is trying to act right for the very first time as if such draws happened also for the first time. So sad for Nepo and Dubov. no need to watch these tournaments, it is now ridiculous to watch!!

@dariogreggio7981

5 ай бұрын

stfu you're a club player and they're super grandmasters geniuses

@dereknichols4376

5 ай бұрын

lmao,so this is a russia tactic to make this event look 'small',because they cant win shit as long as magnus playing

@ASS_ault

5 ай бұрын

They are both idioth

@Pullapelle

5 ай бұрын

You don’t have a clue, do you? They were punished, cause prearrenged draws are prohibited, as they obviously should be.

@el_kasztanejlo8555

5 ай бұрын

Not when you discuss it and agree to it before the game starts. It’s called prearranging or rigging. They should get auto DQ for this clownery

Anyone have a translation of their conversation?

wow, i kinda expected this from a game online from dubov, and even someone like magnus, as they do tend to troll but never OTB would I have thought this would happen, and I kinda sorta never expected this from Nepo.

Ian is the kinda guy to come off a RAMMSTEIN concert and play chess afterwards. What a Russian Legend.

@happyrabbit7944

5 ай бұрын

legendary two times challenger who sacrificed a bishop to Carlsen without any plan or compensation just because he wanted to win without one piece for the first time in the world finals!!!

@poppyharlow4448

5 ай бұрын

du...du hast...du hast mich

@Pullapelle

5 ай бұрын

Nepo has bad nerves. Never gonna win anything.

@happyrabbit7944

5 ай бұрын

@@Pullapelle don't worry there are many other good young players from Russia in queue

@Pullapelle

5 ай бұрын

@@happyrabbit7944I guess you mean India?

"Dont make too many pawn moves in the opening" They took it seriously

They are like kids who decided to trick the teacher in a funny way. Well, they succeeded! They were discissing tournament situation before the game, briefly mentioned some moves (by the context I guess some draw engines) and even mentioned the Dance of the knights.

We need subs for what they speak to each other

If guys wanna have a draw they are free to do a draw. I see no issue here, it is chess.

@hookflash699

5 ай бұрын

It’s pathetic, and it’s unfair to the organizers and spectators.

@happyasme

5 ай бұрын

@@hookflash699 it is chess, not mma. You are not obliged to fight for a win and if both are ok with draw why bother anyone? Guys discussed their intentions before the match. So either prohibit draws or eat this. No other way.

@nvm649

5 ай бұрын

​@@happyasmeexactly I don't understand why it's 0-0 they didn't do anything against the rules to be punished.

@Carnifier

5 ай бұрын

@@happyasme It's not about fighting for a win, it's about playing. Prearranged draws should not be allowed and the players should be punished for doing this. FIDE is rightful to take decision upon this matter.

@nvm649

5 ай бұрын

​@@hookflash699 Wdym? I bet it was funny and pleasant for the spectators 😅.

Wow.. hope FIDE fines Anna Maja for this

Truly one of the games of all time

Can someone tell me the background of this game?

They both got zero points not because of of pre planned draw but for violating one important chess principle. The arbitrator punished them for violating the fundamental rule of chess. Never move the same piece twice consecutively. But here they dared to do that. Arbitar got mad

Amazing way to protest against FIDE bizzare organization. One of the most messy organization in any sport

@TheNordmo

5 ай бұрын

RuZZian can´t play Chess

Making a draw on move 3 is possible. Drawing in Berlin Qe4-Qd4 is possible. It is possible to play fixed matches with Ding Liren and Firouzja in order to qualify for the Candidates Tournament. You can't play by the rules, but make moves with your knights alone. Look, don't get confused. The judge, of course, is an idiot - to take away half a point from the leaders, who will still find a way to do it. I hope he will never referee chess tournaments again, especially at a level for which he obviously does not correspond. I hope Nepomniachtchi and Dubov will win their appeal.

Fide once again getting too big for their boots. They'd obviously prefer dishonesty to a dash of humour.

Nihal and Arjun should also play a draw today . This will keep both of there hopes alive

@aesaphyr

5 ай бұрын

Well, as it happens...

Magnus won the blitz championship with 16 in clear 1st. Dubov got 2nd place with 15.5 points. So if Dubov didn't pull this complete nonsense with Ian, and instead went for a Berlin draw or any other 3-fold repetition draw, Dubov will also have 16 points, tie with Magnus' 16 points. And what makes it even better is Dubov actually has a better tiebreaker 1 (TB1) score than Magnus, so Dubov would have won the blitz championship. But he pulled this stuff with Ian and robbed himself of being a WC, who's there to blame?

@luishenrycamacho3159

5 ай бұрын

I have to agree with you. They would have to make a better draw instead of this silly knight dance.

@wabbajocky8235

5 ай бұрын

pretty sure dubov doesn't care since he agreed to do this as a protest. also, what constitutes a "correct" way to draw? why is this method less valid than others?

They should change rules of chess to be 2 points for win and 1/2 for draw. It would make more interesting games and more people would need win to win. Today there are a lot of draws where draws benefit. In soccer with 1 and 3 points - draw is more a loss than in chess.

@insomnia20422

5 ай бұрын

or 3 for a win, 1 for draw like in football just arbitrarily deciding what games tonpunishnand what not is just stupid

I feel so bad that the ref gave them both 0 points. Magnus had 16 points (and won the championship) but Dubov had 15.5 meaning if the ref gave him a point for a draw, he could’ve won the championship.

@roguegamer6969

5 ай бұрын

No

@luishenrycamacho3159

5 ай бұрын

Nope. He would have to fight Magnus for the final.

They confused O-O with 0-0

This is great 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Absolutely epic ! I can't stop laughing.

Lol. Nepo was so happy and giggly. if they just stayed quite and made a few random moves, they would've got away with this. But, they decided to prance around with the Knights and giggle 🙂

"Dancing knights" Will be recorded in history of chess.

Ah yes, the knighty knight variation.

is weirdest the word we are supposed to be using? 😂

So how many times should I move a piece in the opening? These guys: Yes

the end game was intense

Imagine: one wrong move and you cannot return your knight to original position. Respect for both players.

@chessdude1977

5 ай бұрын

You can get back since knights can't make a triangulation

@Meurth

5 ай бұрын

Not sure if these comments are sarcastic or serious

Drunken nights😂😂😂

Hilary situation 😂

"over under how many moves? two moves!"

complaining about Magnus lounge and then you see this ..

Probably the most funny draw in the event lol

same as in the 70s when Fischer was around russians drew against themselves

Stockfish has been real quiet since humans uncovered this line.

If dubov draw this game for real/ or legitimately. He could have a play off for rhe championship 🏆 against Carlsen

5:39 dubov technically won xD nepo sacrificed king in the end

@Aerixes.

5 ай бұрын

it was obviously a joke.. @@Vorgesetzter-pn6px

Sagar Shah exposing Ian and dubov 🔥🔥

its genuinely crazy how polarized the youtube comments vs reddit comments are on this

Crazy😂😂😂😂

RIDICULOUS for FIDE's self-important arbiter to forfeit this match. Draw by agreement can be reached by any move and move order, no consistency and credibility over their ruling.

@kunalsingh4418

5 ай бұрын

Nah, not imo. Normally there is plausible deniability. Plus in a Berlin or something u r never worse, u reach draw by playing the best moves. It's different in this case since u have to play bad moves to reach draw. If one player wants he can try to play for win. Do only reason it's a draw is cause it's pre- arranged. Which is definitely a bad look.. And if allowed gives countries like India and Russia with lot of top players a big advantage as they can fix many games. Even if Dubov Ian wanted a draw they could have been smarter about it. This is definitely gonna be punish. Leko even predicted this live in the commentary since this has happened before too.

@evesolis6133

5 ай бұрын

​@@kunalsingh4418 being smarter about making a draw doesn't make the result any different. Imo it is not about the moves and how good or bad they are as the draw by agreement option exists based on the "agreement" part. Any draw can be fixed because you just need the opponent to agree. That's why this ruling is inconsistent and not credible - there's never a definition on how an agreement can be reached so what is an arbiter to determine if one draw is fine and the other one is not. There have also been more than a handful of less than 5 move draws on the top 10 board across all sections, again it is just one of the many choices players can make.

@Shadowboost

5 ай бұрын

I'm not sure exactly for FIDE, but i believe a draw cannot be agreed until move 10 or something like that

@evesolis6133

5 ай бұрын

@@Shadowboost in classical there's a certain amount of move required but not for rapid and blitz. Many 3-5 move draws have been seen in top 10 board in this tourney across all sections, when it is allowed it is simply a tournament strategy that anyone can utilize.

@patrice1345

5 ай бұрын

The chessbrah vid talks a bit about how the forfeit was basically FIDE or the arbiter feeling mocked by the play or the attitude here(?). It does kind of confirm that the decision was mainly based on subjectivity rather than some actual rules.

This just makes me so happy! 😍

The real question is: Would it count as a threefold repetition when in actuality the knights aren’t the same as at the start of the game (king‘s and queen‘s night exchanged)?

@matteopriotto5131

5 ай бұрын

​@@keralacitizen yes, it would. Check out article 9.2 of FIDE's Laws of Chess. It doesn't matter if the knights are swapped, it's the same position.

@HappySisyphus0

5 ай бұрын

yes, its irrelevant which piece is which, the only thing that matters is the position itself

@Askhat08

5 ай бұрын

Yes.

@keralacitizen

5 ай бұрын

@@HappySisyphus0 yes, that makes sense,👍