Thanks for the shoutout. We were happy to help start this. Great work Roman as always ❤

11 degrees off is nothing to scoff at. Big improvement. Long live der8aur!

@rustler08

Жыл бұрын

11 degrees off of a very decent cooler setup. That's pretty nuts, because you know the difference is even crazier compared to your typical 240 or 360mm AIO that many people run. The results here will probably start bringing back the days of delidding

@rekareaper

Жыл бұрын

@@rustler08 I don’t know why people stopped. I didn’t have 10th gen personally or work with 11th at all. It was still very beneficial for 10th gen and even more so for 12th in my opinion, especially for those with the i9 k skus. I can pull over 450w through my 12900k with the supercool direct die block and not thermal throttle. My daily OC of 5.4p, 4.3e running r23 stays in the low 70s while looping cinebench (about 350w). Gaming I normally stay in the lower 40c range. My CPU loop has a MORA3 360 with a manual knob to control the fans. I’m sure of the exact rpm they run at, but I put them at a level where I can’t hardly hear them in a quiet room about 8ft away. With any other noise you can’t hear them at all.

@PSnaptic

Жыл бұрын

I think direct die should be compared to a delidded cpu + liquid metal. If you're going through the trouble of delidding it anyway, the difference that matters is only the extra layer of IHS and top paste/LM.

@4gbmeans4gb61

Жыл бұрын

I thought it would be a lot more. The tech cooler was Like 50c drop.

@rekareaper

Жыл бұрын

@@4gbmeans4gb61 I doubt it was a 50c drop, even in gaming. Maybe 30c. In this type of workload though, the tec cooler would be overpowered and the CPU would end up thermal throttling.

Great work as always, huge improvement! 10-15 degrees is huge

It's videos like this that inspire me to pick up custom bilds again. Thanks for an excellent review/introduction/tutorial :)

Super cool a company like EK got involved with this type of project! Awesome Video

That's so cool. Would be nice to have it for AM5 also.

@quintrapnell3605

Жыл бұрын

These things help more with intel because they get stuck on a socket every two iterations. AM5 will just offer you an upgrade.

@Jas7520

Жыл бұрын

@@quintrapnell3605 what does this possibly have to do with socket longetivity?

@SimanSlivar

Жыл бұрын

I'd buy one

@bornagain2641

Жыл бұрын

AMD is dead. lol

@louiesatterwhite3885

Жыл бұрын

@@bornagain2641 in your dreams

those results are massive! love the content, keep it up!

@der8auer. Will you follow up with a new video about EK Direct Die water block? Loads of people complain about uneven cold plate and the cooling results from EKs Direct Die kit doesn't match their expectations. Thanks And thanks for a very informative and good KZread channel. Continue as you do :)

@ggood003

10 ай бұрын

Haha papusan? I'll catch up to you in enthusiast someday for real. Anyway, ya I got the direct die kit & performance was worse than LM on the IHS. I ended up setting the IHS back in place & keeping it there with the thermalrite frame & putting my heatkiller block back on. It was really disappointing ngl. I've been meaning to RMA but EK wants me to send them a bunch of screenshots with HWiNFO & I haven't gotten around to it yet. Sad

@papusan...

10 ай бұрын

@@ggood003 Hi. Very sad the reviewers don't take a second look on the direct die kit from EK. The damage is already done. Good reviews showing ok results will push people to the sales sites and all they get back is a not good working direct die kit. Some more lucky than others. Pay a lot for minimale results you could get with only delidding is sad. And reviewers should go back and test the so called fixed Direct die kits from EK then compare with the the results they got from first revision. Oh' well. Maybe the interest for the product is gone.

Awesome video and some of the coolest tech content on youtube! Really enjoy seeing the work and collab development that goes into these direct die videos - both this and the AM5 series. Kind of surprised that even with a MORA under the table and a direct die waterblock - the cpu still hit 78, I'd expect lower, but that must be a product of the density we're at, just hard to dissipate the heat that quickly. Would love to see a revisit with the 13900ks and some custom overclocking!

8:28 *Removing glue from CPU with another CPU* Yeah that's definitely derBauer

Love my EK GPU block: they make a great product and they continue to stock/re-stock spare parts for support (I was able to get a replacement o-ring for my GTX1080 block last year, which gave me the confidence to disassemble the block for cleaning knowing I could put it back together if the original o-ring had issues-- it didn't, but I replaced it with the new one anyway for good measure). Cool project you guys have here!

Well done and thanks. I love EK honestly, their products are my go to for all my water cooling needs.

Great news for all your hard work. Congrats!!!

That looks awesome! I hope there will be stuff like this in future as well.

Looking forward to trying this out with the new 13900KS @ 6Ghz. Will look killer on my K|NGP|N motherboard along with more gold accents in the build.

If only intel sold top of the line versions Delidded all this would be much easier for "average" people

@samgoff5289

Жыл бұрын

If only there was a real market for that an more people actually wanted it they probably would....expecting a company to spend time and money just to cater to a insanely small niche of people is a little absurd..if that is your think you can find people willing to do that for you for a price or...get this...if you really are interested in that sort of hobby spend time learning how to do it 😂

@adamek9750

Жыл бұрын

@@samgoff5289 who is buying these performance cpus? Only enthusiasts.

@sephondranzer

Жыл бұрын

@@atticushexcel9567 He does have a point though - this makes no sense for the manufacturer. Especially as far as product reliability in the hands of the average consumer. There’s a reason they’ll void your warranty for doing this.

@PREDATEURLT

Жыл бұрын

@@atticushexcel9567 Well but he has a point, hundreds of people would flood forums with cracked dies shouting that intel or AMD sucks because "I broke very fragile very expensive part", heatspreader mostly exist for safety reasons.

@fredEVOIX

Жыл бұрын

we had that in the early AMD athlons and that was very dangerous, many cpus burned including one of mine having watercooled or repasted gpus, the large size of the cooler and the gpu die helps but on smaller cpu dies and coolers it's very easy with uneven tightening force to break the chip or have part not touching, intel cpus have pretty good overheating protections but back then you pressed power on your cpu was smoking, it would be complicated to sell such products warranty wise today

Thank you Roman and EK! Awesome job!

Now we just need a direct die kit for AM5 so we can see how well X3D can run.

@scarecrow5848

Жыл бұрын

true!

@DrNoBrazil

Жыл бұрын

"WE" ? I don't need it. Fine with my 13600K as it is.

@sgru9558

Жыл бұрын

run what? Games? lol

@swagheel

Жыл бұрын

@@DrNoBrazil Didn't knew the world revolved around you

@LaserStreak

Жыл бұрын

This! Would love to go direct-die on my AM5 CPU.

I've been using your direct die cooling on my 9900k. My little bro has a 13900k. I might recommend this direct die cooling for his cpu. When is it available in the US? Great job.

@darjanator

Жыл бұрын

EK has worldwide shipping so unless they're already sold out, check their site.

@darjanator

Жыл бұрын

@@jorkusmalorkus Fine! I'll make my own! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget about the waterblock! Ah, screw the whole thing...

@darjanator

Жыл бұрын

@Jesus is Lord Nobody that does this does it for practical reasons. Just run stock and you'll be fine.

@itraumatik6550

Жыл бұрын

@Jesus is Lord Thats what i was thinking , doesnt the "other" direct die get 8 - 15c difference ? Im wondering about how they bolted it to top piece , like is the fins in the bottom part that touches die ? I missed it if he said or showed it.

@Gamingtechgg

Жыл бұрын

9900K gang

Awesome stuff as always Roman. It is nice to see a collaboration like this. Could it be possible with EK's resources to release future products sooner?

"Niche tool" 3 hours after video release, all of them are sold out. Which is great! I hope that it will show EK that such tools are slightly more popular that they think, and maybe we will see more products like this in the future!

@guristoski2625

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it really pisses me off that they create some thing people want and then make 100 for the entire fucking planet. Stupid fucking people.

@pledger6197

Жыл бұрын

@@guristoski2625 They also have pre-order for nickel version of it. Will be available mid-february. It's also 150euro cheaper

@nexusyang4832

Жыл бұрын

Apparently it isn't niche enough!!! 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

@iaial0

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they didn't make that many expecting low demand so they were easily sold out

@user-bf5sc8pn8x

Жыл бұрын

He said they only made 100 if that version at the end

Congrats man you ve being doing excellent work

I've done a delid already, so having the direct die and contact frame will be awesome.

This is perfect. Good job dude

Great video, as always!!

Love kitguru. Leo is my favorite ❤️Nice collaboration with ek. You deserve it. Keep up the great work bro and stay safe.

great work! congrats!

I've got mine on pre-order. I have run every system direct die up to the point of LGA 1700 for a long time, and I am so glad I am finally going to be able to do that again. Bare die cooling is so much better than a CPU with an IHS. I wish Intel and AMD would ship desktop CPUs with the IHS loose so that the added cost and inconvenience of delidding would not be necessary. The end user could then decide whether or not to use the IHS. For those that are scared of the idea, keep in mind that ALL laptops are bare die, so it is not a mysterious novetly idea. This is the right way to do it. The SuperCool Computer option is messy and makes it too easy to dump water on the motherboard the way it is designed.

I'm really excited to see a day when CPU manufacturers make the water block apart of the CPU it self.

Direct die is always been my favorite videos !

I remember de-lidding my 4770k and being nervous doing it in my vice. Granted it was not soldered but after putting liquid metal on it I got at least a 20c drop in temperature!

@4gbmeans4gb61

Жыл бұрын

I did a 3770k and ruined it lol, I tired a clamp with 2 2x4s rofl, it tore part the pcb. 4790k I bought a delis kit haha.

Direct Die is the most interesting aspect of home overclocking imo. Glad it's getting attention.

Love the transparency bit. Like for it.

Good call on EKWB; they are the sole source for all of my H2O builds! With your expertise, they knocked it out of the ballpark.

This is a very Cool collaboration and products. If I was building a new system I would definitely be purchasing this water water block. I Hope ek and yourself Will do future collaborations.

I'm VERY happy to see the upgrade kit for existing blocks given how late into the S1700 cycle this is

I've been really impressed with James at KitGuru, he's ultra professional and his builds usually make me really envious.

How's the delidder for AM5 going? Been wanting to go direct die. I managed to fit your offset kit so far.

Just ordered! :) Cant wait ... :-p

Any chance you can compare this to the super cool direct die waterblock, or just your overall opinion? I own one, but it is deeply installed in my Mini-ITX system and has allowed me to get very good thermal performance that would otherwise not be possible in my setup. Igors lab did a review. Cheers from the US!

Love your work

Are the fins machined deeper to match the protrusion on the coldplate? If not, they're leaving some performance on the table.

I'd love to see you overclock this 13900k with the direct die cooler to see how high the clocks can go, and what kind of performance improvement that provides!

@4gbmeans4gb61

Жыл бұрын

He got 6.2 all core with that tech cooler. And stayed below 65c, I really want one of those.

@J.king87

Жыл бұрын

@@4gbmeans4gb61 how much fps more then if you compare 5.7ghz vs 6.2 ghz

@4gbmeans4gb61

Жыл бұрын

@@J.king87 He gained around 7-12% fps, for 15-30% more power depending on game. Seems good enough for me, i personally don't care about how much power i use lol. Still that is around 155watt max on the highest game and 68c i think. He was using 1.55v so his chip is NOT very good at OC lol. Iv seen some chips doing 6.1ghz at 1.4v on liquid cooling. I just ordered the 13900KS, hoping i get a good one.

@Akrymir

Жыл бұрын

@@4gbmeans4gb61 Just got my 1300KS in, but waiting on the other parts to do my new build. Looking forward to seeing what kind of OC I can get with this direct die mount.

@URAZKIVANER

Жыл бұрын

@@4gbmeans4gb61 do you know the cinebench score aswell when overclocked ?

Curious to see how it compare with the Supercool direct die block. I was hoping better cooling perf from this block. It seems Supercool still perform better.

Thank you for all the work you put in on this. I am bummed I did not get one of the kits, they are sold out. Will they make another full kit that is not limited edition? I seen the parts are available separately but the little foams and the liquid metal not included. I have a 13900ks on the way to me and would like to use his kit. I am a bit scared to screw it up but you make it look fairly fool proof if you are careful. I really wish I would have been one of the lucky 100 to get the Limited edition kit because it is quite special and you guys did an awesome job on the styling.

@StuartBoyer

Жыл бұрын

Liquid metal and foam does come in the upgrade kit

this is sick love it

der8auer, when will your delid tool be available? I'm getting my 13900KS next week, and am definitely going direct die. I have direct-die water block coming from SuperCool, which I don't think includes the delid tool.

I'd never do this. But, I'm glad we have people like derbauer to do it for us!

I would like to see this stuff be available for all high-end water cooling. For instance, I would like to see EK release a 7950X version of this and just continue to offer delidded water cooling kits for high end computing parts

Derbauer, I have not seen you so excited for a long time. The EKW cooperation is clearly a good idea.

Cool video, I remember years ago talk of micro water channels actually in the die itself, that never seemed to happen. Zen 4 clocks would hugely benefit from something like this too but I guess having 2 chiplets or 3 makes it a little tricky and with the new V-Cache versions the z-heights will be different too.

Good work, Roman 👍

I wonder if something like that will be possible for am5 3d cache variants considering that 1 ccd would have cache on top, 1 wouldn't and there is also IO die that could have separate height as well

Great job on the de-liding - nice block too. But one question here is, once you run this setup a while and LM has dried-up somehow,. and your block is stuck to your die, how do you separate them? Supercool solution is way better for that = you simply use the same delid tool you used to remove the IHS. But what will you do when this block is stuck to your die?

@conwa23

Жыл бұрын

LM wont dry ever

Do you think you may make one of these units for the upcoming sapphire rapids chips? The chip you already delidded in another video?

Roman, one thing I've ben wondering now for a bit, how come you run Cinabench R20 and not R23? For me, running an i5 9600K, stock, if I run R20, my max load hits 85W and max temp on 1 core is 74C, R23 takes 93W and max high core is 76C (yes, running a bit hot right now, I need to reapply my thermal paste, also live in the tropics, so my col is your hot:-)

Congrats, I still remember when you had a patent issue with the ek but I guess you have a reminder on your wall behind you :)

looking forward to the new products thanks

Is this similar issues with the AM5 delid tool being inconsistent like you mentioned for 12 series? Or is it still coming soon?

11 degrees is really impressive. Nice work.

question about water cooling Iv seen a water cooler thats for a 60l aquarium that gets the water down to 10c and one said 32f they where 180-200watts I want to know would it alone be able to cool the water its self or could you put the radiator on the line where the water is coming off the cpu to cool it as much as you can and then to the cooler would it be COLD like 40f or less?

Dude if I didn't have a baby on the way, I'd be purchasing a kit right now. LOVE IT!!!

When using liquid metal, I had to remove the indium on the top of the die and polish it until it was clear of the solder. I found that it has to be completely off the die to make a difference. Why was that not the case here?

You used PCB of another CPU to remove the glue on other CPU, wasn't expecting that 😆 Btw, good work as always 😁

@DigitalJedi

Жыл бұрын

Not just that, but a dead 12900K. Bro just used the corpse of its older brother to clean off the glue.

It would be interesting to see the Delta2 TEC on direct die, just to see how far things can go.

Very cool that direct die is becoming more mainstream!

The ilm replacement kit works with any aio like 240 or 360 mm or it s just waterblock compatible only ??? Personally i have a contact frame from Thermalright and it did improve but im looking for more without delidding the cpu for now .Looking forward for you answer .Thank you

amazing kit! Is there any way we can order and ship it in Europe? (Greece)

8:28 I love Roman's glue removal scraper choice = another CPU haha!

@Der8uaer I just picked up the upgrade kit for my Velocity 2 for use with my Asus Z790 Extreme. Is .6 NM (equivalent to the torque screw driver provided by EK) too much pressure much for direct die? Also, aside from aesthetics, is there a difference between the Direct Die Upgrade kit and the Limited Edition Direct Die option provided from EK?

@StuartBoyer

Жыл бұрын

No they are the same other than looks but for now avoid this kit, its not made right and your better off sticking to the standard block and deliding then putting a copper IHS on. The upgrade kit they released is having major issues. Had to remount mine 7 times before it half did right and I can tell its not cut/ shaped correctly as many others are noticing and having issues as well, its underperforming other companies direct die kits. Their delid tool is also damaging a lot of CPUs so use the rockitcool delid kit.

The quality of this vid

Can the direct die plate be manufactured to to fit any way when installing the cpu block, especially for small form factors.

Wow what a cool product. I wish it made sense for me to buy one, would love to own something so special

This is awesome. I'm extremely tempted to delid my 13900KF just I've never had the balls to delid a CPU myself. Currently have the standard Velocity2 block and it is a great bit of kid. Regardless, thanks for all your efforts and another great video!

@myaccount__7269

Жыл бұрын

Don’t

@DigitalJedi

Жыл бұрын

If you want to try out delidding but don't want to risk your main system, get an older CPU and motherboard online. I got an AMD Athlon II x4 and accompanying motherboard for $45 on ebay last year. Only killed one CPU.

@heslo8767

Жыл бұрын

@Digital_Jedi Yeah I've got a 9700K sitting here that I'm mighty tempted to try on!

The best way I have found d to clean up liquid metal is the blue shop towels and 99% isopropyl alcohol. I just soak a corner of the towel with alcohol and then clean up the lm just like normal thermal paste. I was quite amazed how well it works. Edit: I just finished the video, went to order and it's already sold out... only 100 made is quite a small amount.

@Boofster

Жыл бұрын

That's for the gold one. I think the regular clear one should not be limited. At least I hope not. I don't know if that one is even released yet.

Great news! But you didn't mention if existing AM5 velocity 2 can also do direct die cooling.

One question, will the direct die fit any other coolers except the ek water block? Tia

der8aur ROCKS!

Crazy lids!

Just preordered the upgrade kit and delid tool.

@justpetettv

Жыл бұрын

Same. I also have a MO-RA3, excited for 6--6.2GHz All Core.

Are you planning to release a delid tool for Ryzen 7000? Please answer :)

Love it!!! Sold!

Does that contact frame work with regular water blocks? What is best frame?

If anyone ever finds themselves wanting to do a lot of indium solder removal, check the material safety datasheet (MSDS) for a bunch of different liquid metal products and look for ones with the highest gallium content by percentage. Liquid metal is a near-eutectic alloy of indium, gallium, and tin. Unlike a true eutectic, liquid metal typically has an excess of gallium to make it easier to spread and flow at room temperature. RoHS compliant indium solder is not pure indium, but instead an alloy of indium and 30-70% tin or bismuth, plus some trace elements (most typically a few percent of silver). When you put the liquid metal on the indium solder, the gallium leeches into the indium solder and forms a eutectic, leaving the tin/bismuth in suspension. This is why the liquid metal turns into more of a paste when used for cleaning indium solder. The further away from a eutectic you start with (i.e. the higher the proportion of gallium you have in your liquid metal) the more indium it will pull out before the suspended insoluble compounds saturate the mixture and prevent further leaching, and the less you need to use overall. For a one-off job it's such a small variance that it probably won't matter, but if you're setting up shop selling delidding services or similar then the costs and waste can add up.

How’s the am5 delider coming along? 🤔🤔🤔

does the EK contact frame also works with the EK aio?

@der8auer Did you ever try sanding the direct die frame down? i had scuffed temps so i sanded it down to 4,5mm and now it performs better, im curious if your temps would be even better if u sand it down aswell. EK knows of this issue now and i gave them all my test data to fix it, after 8 delided CPU i can also say intel has had some issues with the height of the die, it also varies. 83 degrees now on my 13700k on the hottest core, and 75 on the coolest. It's in a testloop now so im gonna have to tare everything down when i have the energy to do so, then i will go for 4mm frame , should be good there.

Good stuff

I've got my i9-13900k overclocked 100mhz on all cores. That is, 5.6ghz all core, rising to 5.9ghz with 2 active cores. I use an EK AIO 360 with 3x Noctua iPPC 3000rpm. Under all-core stress test Cinebench r23, I stay around 92 degrees C, with no thermal throttling. (CPU drawing 263W, 1.15 volts.) Cinebench r23 multi-core score of about 41'100. (Stock is about 38'500, or so, according to reviews.) By the way, I picked that AIO cooler thanks to your video, since it performed so well. When looking at people running this CPU in stock configurations, I see them throttling on all-core loads, even with AIO coolers. So, I guess my setup is pretty good? My quick overclock is simply that I set SVID to "best case scenario", and offset the voltage by +0.1 Volt. This gives me stability and thermal headroom to boost everything by 100mhz without getting too hot.

Can KPX be used between the die and the direct die cooler? I ask this because I didn’t want to use Liquid Metal Best regards

this reminds me of the copper shims we had back in the T-Bird days.

it's compatible with the EK-Quantum Velocity² DDC 4.2 PWM D-RGB ? (im not sure) or maybe with the EK-Quantum Delta² TEC D-RGB ?

would love to see a delta tec version of this direct die block

What’s the difference between direct die vs cpu in contact frame after lapping?(I’m on such setup)

this is really nice to have part, only thing left would be able to buy nonlidded cpu so dont have to take risk at delidding.

Where can I buy the direct die frame for 13th gen? I cant see it on the thermal grizzly website

Maybe you should include coolant temp and flow (or pump rpm) in your presentation? I find that cooling performance is greatly dependent on coolant temp. When I torture test my CPU only, I get 50C on CPU (29C coolant). When loading CPU and GPU simultaneously the coolant temp climbs up to 35C and CPU temp stabilizes around 60C. Great channel btw. I just subscribed :)

I just seen both of it from EK water block the combo Direct contact die as well as the CPU D letter as well as the release of Intel's 13 900 KS sweet

is that all that will be available or will their be a non limited edition product available later

wonder what the difference between this direct die block and the supercool direct die block im using is??? Roman, anyway you could check that?