My New Water Block - Time for 14900KS Direct Die

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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:27 Determining the base values
2:16 Benchmarks & BIOS for OC
3:51 14900KS delidden
5:44 Removing the indium residue
8:22 Mycro Direct Die water cooler
10:11 Direct Die test values
11:36 OC with Direct Die
12:19 Summary/Conclusion
13:10 Outro

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  • @Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt
    @Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt2 ай бұрын

    I always think it's a shame companies like Intel/AMD don't offer a special edition version that was never 'lidded' as it's the delidding process and the cleaning up the die that is the hassle, scary part and where most of the risk is.

  • @Simon_Denmark

    @Simon_Denmark

    2 ай бұрын

    You’ll never get a warranty for a delidded CPU/CPU without IHS from manufacturing. Are you fine with that?

  • @Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt

    @Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Simon_Denmark I disagree, Intel's thermal management reacts super fast now if there's an issue and if it's physically damaged then yeah of course that's not going to be covered under a warranty and I'm ok with that. fyi, Intel is offering a delidded warranty on these chips to certain companies, which again to me just says they are worried about the chips getting damaged during the delidding process more than anything else.

  • @callmemesh

    @callmemesh

    2 ай бұрын

    Roman mentions in the previous video about intel working with some SIs. About selling builds with delidded 14900ks, which will be covered under warranty.

  • @Simon_Denmark

    @Simon_Denmark

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt They’re offering that right now for their current CPU’s or do you mean 14900KS delidded for OEM’s? I know that there’s been some delidded CPU’s sold by Intel in the past right? Anyway I doubt that either of them will start selling delidded CPU’s for normal customers.

  • @Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt

    @Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Simon_Denmark The warranty is only on the 14900KS and it's only for a select number of OEMs. But what I am talking about is creating a batch of special edition CPUs that were never bonded to the IHS in the first place so that delidding is not even required. That would be easy to do, just take them off the production line before the IHS is put on.

  • @coin777
    @coin7772 ай бұрын

    7:06 As a Polish man i agree we are good at this.

  • @IceNinja2007

    @IceNinja2007

    2 ай бұрын

    Polska!

  • @gbspikyfish

    @gbspikyfish

    2 ай бұрын

    I was going to ask if you could use a Slovak instead.

  • @Scarlet_Soul

    @Scarlet_Soul

    2 ай бұрын

    And the labour is surprisingly cheap

  • @DJKr15py

    @DJKr15py

    2 ай бұрын

    7:14 .... I don't think that's legal, Roman...

  • @thewatcher1731

    @thewatcher1731

    2 ай бұрын

    Lmfao caught that too

  • @gsuberland
    @gsuberland2 ай бұрын

    The reason the signal integrity is better when you leave the copper block further away from the memory traces is that those traces are impedance controlled as differential microstrips, which are top-layer trace pairs where the electric fields couple to the ground plane on the layer below and, to some extent, between the two traces. The impedance is based on the trace geometry and the relative permittivity (ε_r) of the dielectric materials surrounding the traces - in this case, the fiberglass between the top copper layer and second layer, and the soldermask and air above the top copper layer. When you place metal directly over the top of the traces, you're changing the transmission line type from a microstrip to a stripline, which significantly changes the characteristic impedance of the traces in that region. As an example, a 45Ω impedance single-ended microstrip (with a 0.1mm layer height, dielectric ε_r=4.1) suddenly becomes 24.4Ω impedance stripline when you have a copper block floating 0.1mm above it, e.g. if you press it to the board. That impedance discontinuity causes signal reflections, which will narrow the eye diagram and harm signal integrity, and the copper block also causes a significant rise in conductor losses - if the original trace had 0.5dB of conductor loss, you might see closer to 4.5dB of loss with the block pressed to the board. That loss alone may be as much as a third of the total loss budget of the DDR5 link, depending on the speed! No wonder it doesn't work. If you lift that copper block just 2mm off the board, the trace impedance jumps back to within 10% of the original and the conductor losses plummet.

  • @dexterman6361

    @dexterman6361

    2 ай бұрын

    Dang, I knew the tolerances were important but didn't know it could change that much, thank you for the detailed explanation!

  • @Pseudomeaningful

    @Pseudomeaningful

    2 ай бұрын

    I am not awake enough to even begin to understand this, but thanks 😂

  • @AffectionateLocomotive

    @AffectionateLocomotive

    2 ай бұрын

    Me too

  • @catalinneculita4988

    @catalinneculita4988

    2 ай бұрын

    and that's why some ppl. can run 8400+ DDR5 with no problem and some ppl. that are very experts in DDR4 fail to run even 7600MT. Things change and you need to keep up with new way to undervolt and overclock.

  • @olejakobaune8033

    @olejakobaune8033

    2 ай бұрын

    This is some next level comment, thank you

  • @Nienormalny
    @Nienormalny2 ай бұрын

    13 degrees is just insane.

  • @thomasvennekens4137

    @thomasvennekens4137

    2 ай бұрын

    yeah 400 watts too :D

  • @iamthegamepro

    @iamthegamepro

    2 ай бұрын

    @@thomasvennekens4137 i dont think this channel is trying to sell you intel. Hes just showing you the insane performance of the cooling technique.

  • @Doyle69
    @Doyle692 ай бұрын

    Why is this guy not over a million subs... I have no idea.

  • @vr0k3n

    @vr0k3n

    2 ай бұрын

    Because it's the "EN" channel, which he made not too long ago to upload the English versions of his videos. Before he uploaded everything to his normal channel, Der8auer, which is now used to upload the German videos exclusively (which still only has 483k subs, still too low for the quality of videos he produces tbh)

  • @marios3761

    @marios3761

    2 ай бұрын

    He is one of thew few "old-school" serious XOC left, actually testing the hardware with real tweaks, squeezing out everything from a system and not calling XMP profiles "tuned" settings. Always love the videos, especially the one electron microscope video was crazy, he should have gotten millions of views. I also love how the AIO is not marked as "watercooling" since AIOs are crap compared to even a simple custom loop.

  • @Darkswordz

    @Darkswordz

    2 ай бұрын

    @@marios3761 It's not the quantity of subs that counts, it's the quality. 😉

  • @Jorge.ALXNDR

    @Jorge.ALXNDR

    2 ай бұрын

    I never even notice that he had so little subs. Really just assumed he had more than a million. Kinda crazy how youtube works...

  • @radn0x

    @radn0x

    2 ай бұрын

    one of my favorite aswell, straight to the point and with good products

  • @pastasauce99
    @pastasauce992 ай бұрын

    Woo, that is very hot and power hungry sand.

  • @GrandAdmiralHamilton
    @GrandAdmiralHamilton2 ай бұрын

    Great that you're showing every step of the delid process including cleaning the die! 😊👍

  • @willembont4790
    @willembont47902 ай бұрын

    I am impressed. Well done. Thanks.

  • @koford
    @koford2 ай бұрын

    This CPU should be Special Edition (water cooling required)

  • @trixter192

    @trixter192

    2 ай бұрын

    It pretty much is. You would be a fool to buy a KS and air cool it.

  • @madalinradion

    @madalinradion

    2 ай бұрын

    You will see a lot better temps even on an air cooler if you're going bare die, don't think water cooling would be necessary in this situation

  • @nickshaffer7659

    @nickshaffer7659

    2 ай бұрын

    Don't give intel any ideas next thing they'll do is branch off and make 15(1-9k) and a second run of 15(1-9w) for waterblock edition lol

  • @koford

    @koford

    2 ай бұрын

    @@nickshaffer7659 haha yea you never know..rolleyes. profit profit profit.

  • @lookitsrain9552

    @lookitsrain9552

    2 ай бұрын

    @@trixter192You would have to be a fool to buy this cpu in the first place

  • @t0mn8r35
    @t0mn8r352 ай бұрын

    Excellent result and great testing like always. Sorry we didn't get to see the nice cats this time...

  • @hudsonreynolds4349
    @hudsonreynolds43492 ай бұрын

    This is so impressive. You are very inspiring!

  • @metallurgico
    @metallurgico2 ай бұрын

    that acrilic piece for removing the glue is amazing

  • @cliftonsr
    @cliftonsrАй бұрын

    Roman this is the type of temp testing and research development in this industry I love!

  • @khvichamakadze2903
    @khvichamakadze29032 ай бұрын

    Always liking videos first then proceed to watch them. Never regretted doing so. Thank you Roman for greatest tech content.

  • @NexGen-3D
    @NexGen-3D2 ай бұрын

    Really nice, last Intel CPU I did this too was a Devil Canyon, made a massive improvement on that one, the water block looks great, but should have some soft foam pads in the corners like the old AMD Athlons had to keep things level as you install it.

  • @VFD4u
    @VFD4u2 ай бұрын

    I'd love to see gaming benchmarks for this beast, overclocked and direct die

  • @EliteRock
    @EliteRockАй бұрын

    When DD'ing I've now twice used a PTFE shim covering the PCB, of die thickness (minus perhaps 0.01mm), to ensure even clamping pressure and prevent pin contact issues from the PCB bowing up at the edges/corners. It seems to work well. As it happens I discovered this was a problem with the der8auer 9th gen frame, which is actually over 0.1mm thinner than the die and the entire mounting force/pressure of the cooler plate is exerted only on the die (hence people reporting POST, stability and memory bus issues). ETA >> bear in mind that with no ILM you have to ensure the required minimum total clamping pressure is exerted by the cooler, c. 40 lbs / 18 kg for LGA 115x (I imagine higher for 12/13/14th gen with the higher pin count) according to Intel. I modified the frame by cutting the centre out (which does nothing anyway, just bows up off the PCB) leaving only short 'tabs' so it holds the CPU in place when installing/uninstalling the cooler - without it, it would be easy to fumble when the CPU sticks to the cooler plate and trash the socket.

  • @djangoofyork
    @djangoofyork2 ай бұрын

    It would be nice to see a comparison of your DD block once it's available compared to the EK, Iceman Cooler and Supercool incumbents. I'd like to see the comparison include max core to core temperature deltas as well as an assessment on the repeatability of measurements over several installations, things people have struggled with when using DD blocks previously. I've personally tried all three and settled on the Supercool in my main rig, even with it making loop maintenance more challenging and requiring >200l/h flow. I never comment usually as a long time lurker, so wanted to take the opportunity to thank you for your content.

  • @TheBenchmarkNerd
    @TheBenchmarkNerd2 ай бұрын

    what a great video derbauer keep it up mate :)

  • @watercannonscollaboration2281
    @watercannonscollaboration22812 ай бұрын

    9:37 really crazy to think about, when you’re on the bleeding edge, every little bit counts

  • @killer01ws6
    @killer01ws62 ай бұрын

    Awesome results, I will be looking for your cooler, my 13900K is delided and direct die cooled, but it is a plexie unit, I like the looks of your better and hopefully will see even a few more C improvement, but I am already pretty low as I also use a chiller on a tank.

  • @dragonsyph2557

    @dragonsyph2557

    Ай бұрын

    My stock 13900ks scores higher then his OC 14900ks, something wrong in this video.

  • @Kaymen1980
    @Kaymen19802 ай бұрын

    Inspiring as always 👍

  • @Pincentral383
    @Pincentral3832 ай бұрын

    Your English is solid, pronounced polish is for sausage and people, pronounced pall-ish is for stuff that shines. Love your videos

  • @schifoso

    @schifoso

    2 ай бұрын

    More like paw-lish

  • @jay16v
    @jay16v2 ай бұрын

    Sold on the new Delid-Die-Mate , went to check if i can get one now but no stock in the UK😆 Looks a much much better design than the EK one i have here that i used on 13th gen and the acrylic piece is a brilliant idea 😃 How long till they are back in stock as really want to delid this new KS ....

  • @shephusted2714
    @shephusted27142 ай бұрын

    good for you to flog good products which are really needed

  • @Stefan-cf3fy
    @Stefan-cf3fy2 ай бұрын

    Looks really good! And thank you for the thermalpaste polish tip! Do you have any plans to ship it with some kind of seal ring (like Sony did with the PS5) so that the liquid metal doesn't dry out? So that you don't have to repaste after 6months / 1 year.

  • @JakeBoardley
    @JakeBoardley2 ай бұрын

    Didn't know about using the thermal paste to polish trick, will be trying that

  • @michaelcarson8375
    @michaelcarson837525 күн бұрын

    I am interested in this block, I have the EK direct die block, but since they have QC problems I'd rather just get a block that will work correctly the first time I delid a 14900ks.

  • @elbeetlebeasto
    @elbeetlebeasto2 ай бұрын

    Roman, did you change the PL1 & PL2, and if so, what did you set them to? And what PL1/PL2 setting do you recommend for the regular 14900k? I kinda wish Intel would offer a Core i9 SKU that comes without an IHS from the factory. I did direct-die on my 9900k and it dramatically improved my temps, but it was such a tedious process getting my AIO to mount properly that I didn't bother doing it to the 14900k system I just built

  • @shaneeslick
    @shaneeslick2 ай бұрын

    G'day Sheik, Makita & Roman 7:38 🤔I thought you were going to say KPx 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @VadikRamm
    @VadikRamm2 ай бұрын

    I hope I live to the day when Thermal Grizzly makes 420 AIOs :D

  • @ogen87
    @ogen872 ай бұрын

    @Romain have u already try to remove socket and solder the CPU directly to the mainboard?(like on laptops) Will it resolve in better signal quality? Will it permit to achieve higher frequencies in clock/memory?

  • @kBitre
    @kBitre2 ай бұрын

    What flow rate is your direct die water block going to be optimized for high/med/low? Thanks, looks good!

  • @kubburdigital
    @kubburdigital2 ай бұрын

    what about adding plastic spacers to the bottom of the direct die to keep the spacing from the motherboard correct?

  • @DasSheep
    @DasSheep2 ай бұрын

    I'm using the AM5 Mycro myself, couldn't be happier! Great to see this line of product expanding!

  • @der8auer-en

    @der8auer-en

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks :) Happy to hear that

  • @chrissoucy1997
    @chrissoucy1997Ай бұрын

    Intel should just sell delidded cpus that come with a direct die frame at this point for like 30-40 usd more.Its cheaper for them to not have to give you a copper IHS and it removes the delidding risk and hassle for us while keeeping our warranty and have better temperatures.

  • @Pro4TLZZ

    @Pro4TLZZ

    Ай бұрын

    Aye

  • @DaveGamesVT
    @DaveGamesVT2 ай бұрын

    I really do wish we'd have some innovation in this area. Maybe with CPUs coming delidded by default like old CPUs, or some kind of different heat spreader.

  • @EinSwitzer
    @EinSwitzer2 ай бұрын

    Qtip silicon teflon gel onto cpu pcb get it hot with preheater then cool it down while applying more coatings then completely clean with clean qtips thermal as well as noise dampening for better response as well as efficiency

  • @RacingPCs
    @RacingPCs2 ай бұрын

    Lot's of fun doing these things...

  • @specialist812003
    @specialist8120032 ай бұрын

    I wonder what kind of performance we can see with liquid metal, copper ihs, frame corrector, and the ek delta tec block 🤔

  • @Bluelagoonstudios
    @Bluelagoonstudios2 ай бұрын

    Oh my, the flowmeter from aquacomputer is way smaller than I thought. I'm going to buy this one also, together with the quadro interface to steer my PWM fans, and my EK pump. But I'm not sure to use the DRGB option, because my case will already have an overload of ARGB. I must say the temperatures dropped significantly then your other video. But it's concerning you have to use water cooling to cool the damn thing. For regular users, this will become a problem.

  • @XCraftllc
    @XCraftllc2 ай бұрын

    Awesome man! Can you put a list of all the items you used in the description with links if able?

  • @animearmpits3060
    @animearmpits3060Ай бұрын

    hey, quick question bro, I have a 13900k and I just order the EK quantum Delta2 tec. I was wondering if it would make sense to not delid the CPU as it still has the Indium Solder and I was wondering if I get better temps if I leave it stock? also, I've been wondering how does the thermal grizzly conductonaut work at sub ambient with the tec coolers? does it get cold enough to make it not work?

  • @Spinelli__
    @Spinelli__2 ай бұрын

    Are the holes on the direct die block far apart enough to fit 2 Koolance QD4 quick disconnects (without having to use angled fittings, swivels, etc.) instead of QD3? It's getting annoying how every block has their holes spaced so close together.

  • @MrHakisak
    @MrHakisak2 ай бұрын

    Hey Der8auer can you please clarify what you mean at 8:30? Does contact pressure effect memory frequency capabilities? I always thought once it's detected then it's okay. I have thin washers on my delided 12900k to reduce (pressure) bending, but find it very difficult to overclock memory, I can't even do xmp when my memory kit is on my boards qvl list.

  • @dexterman6361

    @dexterman6361

    2 ай бұрын

    See comment made by @gsuberland. It has a lot of good info

  • @hardrocklobsterroll395
    @hardrocklobsterroll3952 ай бұрын

    Yeah for production having a big floating copper plane right there next to a bunch of high speed traces is going to be a nightmare for signal integrity. If you can net even a few mm on that one side I think it may mitigate the issue. The electric field should attenuate extremely quickly at such low potentials reducing cross talk and line capacitance.

  • @testerzz
    @testerzz2 ай бұрын

    Amazing!

  • @beardedgaming3741
    @beardedgaming37412 ай бұрын

    ima do my first direct die next week. just ordered your ryzen 7000 kit :D gonna be fun! idk if i should offset my waterblock too or not

  • 2 ай бұрын

    May wanna wait for supercool product instead. They're about to sell direct die for AMD and they use stock ILM which helps a lot with contact.

  • @fengyink
    @fengyink2 ай бұрын

    This looks promising - have 14900ks in hand - looking forward to the mycro 1700 block

  • @TuxikCE
    @TuxikCE2 ай бұрын

    Hey, I've always noticed that you say that Hwinfo taking some of your CPU, but even on my little quad core CPU it barely takes any CPU usage, what is wrong with yours?

  • @der8auer-en

    @der8auer-en

    2 ай бұрын

    I adjust it to 500ms polling rate. Otherwise it only updates every 2 seconds which is too slow for what I want to test. If you increase the polling reate it takes more resources

  • @King.467
    @King.4672 ай бұрын

    I'd love to see a video with the 14900KS cooled by the Delta Tec²!!!

  • @ivovass195
    @ivovass1952 ай бұрын

    6ghz all core without overheating? Awesome, well done

  • @bubbamcgee5953

    @bubbamcgee5953

    2 ай бұрын

    At 1.52v😂

  • @Spinelli__

    @Spinelli__

    2 ай бұрын

    @@bubbamcgee5953It's not 1.52 V. That's just what's set in BIOS. It's prob somewhere between 1.38 and 1.47 V.

  • @Boofster
    @Boofster2 ай бұрын

    Could you specify the bolt torque? I have a torque screwdriver and I think it would take a lot of the guesswork out of it if we had to aim for a specific value.

  • @darrenmaharaj
    @darrenmaharaj2 ай бұрын

    sooom nerdy, sooo not needed, SOOO GREAT!!!

  • @WiFeYBurGLeR1
    @WiFeYBurGLeR1Ай бұрын

    I have the EK block and I want to swap it out. I’m waiting for this but if it doesn’t drop soon I’m going to just get the Super Cool block. Hurry up!!!!! Lol

  • @jake..A

    @jake..A

    Ай бұрын

    Been waiting for this as well & will also get a supercool block if this does not release soon.

  • @JustinAlexanderBell
    @JustinAlexanderBell2 ай бұрын

    Would it be actually worse thermal performance to have an o ring seal along the die and then a block sealing against that for true direct die water cooling?

  • @andydbedford
    @andydbedfordАй бұрын

    94c at 370w 5.8ghz. Thats insane! That just proves, speed doesn’t equal performance. When you consider the 7800X3D delivers on average the same or better performance in gaming at 65-70c 95w 5.50ghz, this is what I’m getting on a full open loop.

  • @jonaswox
    @jonaswox2 ай бұрын

    is polishing not just filling the small holes in the surface? , ie exactly what the liquid metal will do upon application?

  • @Spinelli__

    @Spinelli__

    2 ай бұрын

    No, polishing is more basically like micro sanding.

  • @jonaswox

    @jonaswox

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Spinelli__ roger, thanks for the info

  • @deaddog2472
    @deaddog247229 күн бұрын

    HI. I also delid on 149 kf. I DID EVERYTHING SAME AS YOU. I used the grizly tool IL LOOP EK DIRECT DIE. the temperatures are 30 degrees lower...but if I DO BENCHMARK IT CRASHES INSTANTLY. can you give me some advice. WHAT SHOULD I CHANGE FROM BIOS? I'M ASKING FOR HELP. I CAN NO LONGER USE THE DESKTOP PC

  • @EinSwitzer
    @EinSwitzer2 ай бұрын

    Slow pump flow or block flow completely monitored temps break it in properly as well as tune the function built in ai due its job while showing proper energy to adapt to

  • @Hito343
    @Hito3432 ай бұрын

    Meme chips, excited for the new gen tho, also zen 5.

  • @Spyglassdetailco
    @Spyglassdetailco2 ай бұрын

    you can count me in on grabbing one of those blocks im gonna compare it to ek direct die velocity 2

  • @rekareaper
    @rekareaper15 күн бұрын

    Do you not sell the acrylic scraper? I'm not seeing it on the site or included with the delidding tool or the direct die block?

  • @CarputingYT

    @CarputingYT

    15 күн бұрын

    Does not sell at the moment from what I saw. Non-scratch plastic scrapers from Amazon are fine too

  • @TheDarkbb2

    @TheDarkbb2

    15 күн бұрын

    It comes with delid die mate

  • @rekareaper

    @rekareaper

    15 күн бұрын

    @@TheDarkbb2 thank you! I didn’t see it in the pictures or listed as one of the included parts for it, so I wasn’t sure.

  • @DeanMurphyCDM
    @DeanMurphyCDM2 ай бұрын

    Is it possible to preorder the 1700 block? I’m running an EK Velocity2 with direct die mod and the results are underwhelming. Still pushing 100 degrees when benchmarking.

  • @Anthony69420
    @Anthony694202 ай бұрын

    Ohhh my god. The fact you guys were able to pull this off is impressive. Delidding pun lol seriously what are guys gonna do next?! I cant see yall topping this

  • @Archer_Legend
    @Archer_Legend2 ай бұрын

    Personally I think that if Intel was "smart" they would have always sold all the KS SKUs (starting the 9900KS or even the 8086K which is a 5 GHz out of the box edition of the 8700K) pre delidded since they are super binned chips and only enthusiast which want to direct die them should get them (the IHS should however still be in the box and sold alongisde the delidded CPU). Those CPUs have such insane power draws that direct die is the only "smart" thing to do if you purchase one, otherwise you should have gotten the regular K.

  • @Need4FPS

    @Need4FPS

    2 ай бұрын

    Don't really agree with the last statement. I cannot make a perfect comparison since I did not have 13900k, but do have currently 13900KS and had a 12900K. What people do not realise is that mostly KS variants are just binned K version of a chip, that being said... Running at the same let's say stock frequency they do require less voltages and if you re gonna undervolt it, you ll have better results than doing it with the K . My is currently running on - .04 v, and on LLC3 normal behaviour... Reckon could go even lower than that. SP prediction was 112, while with the K I never got anything higher than 95. Temperature wise, doesn't go nuts like 12900 did.. less jumping all over the place and takes undervoltng like a champ plus has a higher potential power draw

  • @J.king87
    @J.king87Ай бұрын

    when is direct die for sell for 13th/14th gen intel ?

  • @t8pguw8ejbwgp9e2
    @t8pguw8ejbwgp9e22 ай бұрын

    in Mykro can please provide seal / gasket for Liquid Metal like Minisforum did on EM680 for added peace of mind

  • @bryanrivera1528
    @bryanrivera152829 күн бұрын

    This water block is literally the last piece to my 1000d build. Any update on when it's releasing?

  • @juno1597
    @juno15972 ай бұрын

    That is insane.

  • @mariocentenomayo4129
    @mariocentenomayo4129Ай бұрын

    Please, could be possible to see a thermal performance comparison between your new Direct Die waterblock and the Supercool Computer 14th Gen Full Copper?. I have also the new 14900KS already delided, and im looking for the best waterblock possible. I think the overclock community will be really interested on see this comparison because, for the moment, it looks like the Supercooler option still beaing the optimus on the market. Thanks for all your videos stuff. I learn a lot with u. It will be interesting also know where to buy your new waterblock, for the moment i can´t found it on the shop. Have a nice day !!

  • @danielbrown1419
    @danielbrown14192 ай бұрын

    Is a direct die cpu block better for any cpu in general then using a normal block?

  • @Xfade81
    @Xfade812 ай бұрын

    Pretty sweet tool that lasercut plexi

  • 2 ай бұрын

    ​ @der8auer-en Supercoolcomputer has two direct die block for intel 14, acrylic and full copper C1100 ( what they claim). The cost for SC block & delid tool on supercool are $140 plus ~ $30 shipping fee ( DHL express), that is without any tax or hassle, front door delivery. It takes 3 days to receive in located in Asia and within a week if located in UK. I wonder how much are yours since there is 19% VAT on top on shipping from TG. I hope Roman's stuff are quite better than Supercoolcomputer and the price is cheaper, $120 for both would be great . Supercool's coldplate is quite thin so you may wanna consider that. Can't wait for some more comparison. Edit: Nvm, i don't think this is gonna fly bc no ILM, contact is gonna be big issue. You do know >8000MT, impedance is very annoying to deal with. A $50 Torque drive is far from getting it down 0.05NM precise.

  • @shraf2kay
    @shraf2kay2 ай бұрын

    Maybe a package with the die mate too?

  • @alexanderrybicki6270
    @alexanderrybicki62702 ай бұрын

    How are the microfins formed on the direct die block?

  • @elektronischermeister
    @elektronischermeister2 ай бұрын

    How is the procedure to dispose the metals on the wipes? It is not hazardous to the environment or health?

  • @ThePurpleRider

    @ThePurpleRider

    2 ай бұрын

    Liquid metal is most likely a mix of gallium, indium and tin so no worries about throwing wipes away. If you're thinking about mercury then don't worry, it's not very useful for this type of application.

  • @kettusnuhveli341
    @kettusnuhveli3412 ай бұрын

    While not directly related to this video, I can't wait for Ryzen 9000 to come out, will definitely delid it using your products! Let's hope they don't change anything so the old 7000 series tools still work just fine...

  • @Milo_647
    @Milo_647Ай бұрын

    I only see am5 direct die in your website, is this not out yet ?

  • @Blaxkor
    @Blaxkor2 ай бұрын

    I find it interesting that having a larger gap between the direct die block ILM and the memory traces improves the signaling enough to make a large difference. I have tried icemancooler block from aliexpress which was around 80 USD and has a thick plastic skirt and it works fine at 8200+ on apex encore even with a relatively weak IMC. I then tried using a direct die frame from them and a modified optimus foundation block with a hole dremeled for SMD capacitor clearance and it would struggle to even boot 8000 and would error really fast in ycruncher at any torque values that I tried. I have not used liquid metal with either as im using a chiller with the capability of going subzero but the best paste results I have had were PTM7950 and any really thick paste like thermalrights lineup. Kryonaut and KPX were both fairly bad for core-core delta and water-core temp deltas. I got similar temperature results to the ones in your video with 14900kf but about 5-10c worse on the hottest core due to not using liquid metal. Also that cinebench score of 42k is a bit low for 6ghz but it can be explained by lower E core clocks probably.

  • @dexterman6361

    @dexterman6361

    2 ай бұрын

    See comment by gsuberland

  • @dark-pixels
    @dark-pixels2 ай бұрын

    Could it be possible to make a update of the contact frame of this nice DD block with bottom-out base, like with Thermalright contact frames ? It will bee wayyy easer to mount. :)

  • @shinokami0076
    @shinokami00762 ай бұрын

    Thanks :3

  • @RafnII
    @RafnII2 ай бұрын

    When are you going to release the laser cut acrylic tool for removing stuff from cpu?

  • @CTYCompRepair
    @CTYCompRepair2 ай бұрын

    Question : Do you disable the motherboard manufacturer performance optimizations? Optimized defaults often ignore Intel power profile and are terribly inefficient for voltage and temperature. I also notice you have AI features. If it has AI Overclocking you should give it a shot. I've seen impressive results, but haven't had a mobo with the option to try for myself.

  • @hrmf32
    @hrmf32Ай бұрын

    On a ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming WiFi II what would be the maximum memory clock speed (mhz) to use for a "user" to get a stable system? this time not planning to do overclock just get the max memory speed i can and system be stable. I appreciate the feedback since your very experienced on this.

  • @669Cookiemonster
    @669Cookiemonster2 ай бұрын

    im getting old pentium 4 netburst wibes from these new intel space heaters

  • @volvo09

    @volvo09

    2 ай бұрын

    Yep, the old days are coming back... Little generational improvement for much more power.

  • @idontneedthis66

    @idontneedthis66

    2 ай бұрын

    (inserts the Captain America "I understood that reference" meme)

  • @xDownSetx

    @xDownSetx

    2 ай бұрын

    Funny enough, the 1.525v core voltage he sets is the stock voltage for Northwood Pentium 4s. I do miss the 1+ GHz overclocks we used to see though.

  • @szaszm_

    @szaszm_

    2 ай бұрын

    They were "only" around 200-250W, not 400W.

  • @awetisimgaming7473
    @awetisimgaming74732 ай бұрын

    I'm still unable to find an am5 version of this block for sale literally anywhere, does anyone know if there's gonna be more made, or if I can even get one at all?

  • @ggood003
    @ggood0032 ай бұрын

    oh wow I see you used the Mycro waterblock instead of that EK one. Is that because the EK one is so irreparably broken?

  • @ipoopmuffins
    @ipoopmuffins2 ай бұрын

    what is at the top layer of the die? taking a sharp edge and/or polishing the die with an abrasive would be a bit sketchy for me lol. but i know you know what youre doing. also, man the difference from the IHS to direct die cooling is amazing.

  • @concinnus
    @concinnus2 ай бұрын

    Increased spacing off the board improving the memory signaling is probably not about heat, but about inductive coupling with the block.

  • @KevinCulla9
    @KevinCulla920 күн бұрын

    Any update on when these water blocks might release? EKWB has kept me waiting nearly 4 months on a direct die AIO pre-order. Would love to get something quality in my system.

  • @MSteamCSM
    @MSteamCSM2 ай бұрын

    Can you cool the die with water directly? So water could flow right on to the die itself?

  • @ThePurpleRider

    @ThePurpleRider

    2 ай бұрын

    Inside the cooler there's a part with a lot of tiny fins for the water to flow through. That way you get a lot of surface area and better heat transfer. If you just put the water onto the die directly it would be worse by a lot because there's less surface area as well as not as much thermal mass. The water block also provides a closed loop. Imagine if the sealant failed on a direct die to water setup, coolant everywhere. Same reason we put little aluminum heat spreaders on VRMs instead of just leaving the package by itself.

  • @ukaszsmoa8416
    @ukaszsmoa84162 ай бұрын

    Will there be a version of this block with clear plexi?

  • @fengyink
    @fengyinkАй бұрын

    Delidding tool instock today, any eta on the lga 1700 waterblock, Roman?

  • @ChrispyNut
    @ChrispyNut2 ай бұрын

    I really wish your mycro blocks had the G1/4" placement as it on the alphacool one, as it provides by cleaner plumbing lines, especially when including memory cooler (which means sense again with DDR5). I know alignment horizontally / vertically has been the norm forever, but neither are as good and vertically is worst IMO.

  • @Spinelli__

    @Spinelli__

    2 ай бұрын

    Wouldn't vertically - with intake at the top - be best for performance as the liquid is getting an extra velocity boost thanks to being acceleration from gravity? Personally, I'm just hoping his block's holes have enough spacing between them to use Koolance QD4 quick disconnects instead of the QD3 - regardless of vertical, horizontal, or diagonal orientation.

  • @ChrispyNut

    @ChrispyNut

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Spinelli__ That strikes me as having even less effect than block/rad order. Gravity will be pulling down on the return, thus equalizing. It's a loop.

  • @toonnut1
    @toonnut12 ай бұрын

    You can get a cinebench r23 score 42k+ with all core 5.7 I'm confused why that score is so low for 6ghz

  • @IbodhiFreire

    @IbodhiFreire

    2 ай бұрын

    Hwinfo will influence results. Also, he might be recording using obs

  • @betag24cn

    @betag24cn

    2 ай бұрын

    i think this cpu is saying 6ghz but not really reaching it, after all it is a overclock over a overclock over a overclock

  • @brennan2007

    @brennan2007

    2 ай бұрын

    Yeah, I have an average quality 14900k, and I can just break 41k with a manual vcore of only 1.320v. I planned to do the same when my KS arrives. Not interested in overclocking, really. I mean its fun/cool, but I have no purpose for it besides just personal enjoyment. I went through 4 14900k, and just said screw it on the 5th one. Too much of a pain chasing better silicon quality. So, I just got the 14900ks essentially because I wanted a better binned 14900k, which would be guaranteed without playing the silicon lottery. IMO, the little bit of price increase is 100% worth the tine and money you saving chasing better random 14900k.

  • @dragonsyph2557

    @dragonsyph2557

    Ай бұрын

    EXACTLY, my stock 13900ks scores 42.5k. Can reach almost 45k OC. On an LT720 AIO.

  • @AmaroqStarwind
    @AmaroqStarwind2 ай бұрын

    If you replaced the water with a custom formulated coolant, you might get even better results. You should look into what sort of coolants are being developed.

  • @leftcoastfunk
    @leftcoastfunk2 ай бұрын

    1.52V is nuts, as are the gains from this (temp drops, clock speeds, and power draw). Nothing like direct-die!

  • @Spinelli__

    @Spinelli__

    2 ай бұрын

    It's not 1.52v. Remember, that's the voltage before vdroop. It's probably in the 1.40-1.47 V area.

  • @chrisz5z
    @chrisz5z2 ай бұрын

    Curious to see how your DD block compares to Supercool

  • @subamax8482
    @subamax8482Ай бұрын

    Hello Roman I just want to know when the Intel's Mycro Direct Die would be available please. I just see AM5 model but no LGA1700 to purchase . Kind regards, Max.

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