Great information Michael. It’s sad to see greed in the form of lesser quality.

Thanks for the update. Its all dreamweaver and salmon candy for me

Great breakdown on the differences, Michael. Great audio and awesome quality on the video.

@ChiCityYaker

23 күн бұрын

Much appreciated!

You touched briefly on weight. I make spoons, have been for 50 years, and I can tell you the material used, and thickness thereof, makes an enormous difference. That 1g weight difference may seem insignificant, but it can make an enormous difference in the action. Brass and copper weigh significantly more than some of the cheap sheet metals some manufacturers use. They sound different when the split ring moves on them too. The sound of metal on metal is NOT natural, and if the fish are being moody, that tinny sound of the cheap metal can be game over. IMO brass and copper spoons are by far the best, because of the weight, and because they are softer and therefore, quieter. I won't even pull anything else. Color, I'm NOT a believer in needing 1000 colors. Other than dark, medium, and light color I don't care. A big contrasting eye? Absolutely! White belly vs black belly vs chrome belly? OK.it changes the overall light vs dark of the offering. Colored tape? Other than the fact that it changes the sound, especially on the cheaper metals, I'm not a fan of tape. A thin coat of paint, and 2 coats of clear, and I'm done!

@ChiCityYaker

23 күн бұрын

I'm clearly not a spoon maker and don't know the intricacies of it all but this was pretty interesting to read.

@Fish-Erman

23 күн бұрын

@@ChiCityYaker I guess the short of what I was trying to say is, if they changed the material used, and/or the thickness, they changed the product in a significant way. The slight color variations mean nothing.

Thanks for helping spread the news. The old style hooks are VMC, a quality brand, and it's adversed on the old package. A forum I'm on had three guys posting that the split rings failed on the China brand. My local tackle shop owner said the china ones don't glow as long, but i haven't comparred tham because i won't buy wven one Chinese spoon. And lastly, the new company obvously saved a ton of money with the cheaper hooks, split rings, and yet it is not reflected on the shelf. They still cost about 10 bucks. I bought as many USA ones as I think I'll ever need and my plan is to never buy another Moonshine brand.

@ChiCityYaker

20 күн бұрын

As I've now heard, all hooks goin forward will all be VMC again. I also don't know about the glow, I didn't test it because I don't think they'd mess with that but I'm not 100% sure.

Great video Michael. Time to stock up on the USA made versions. 🇺🇸

Great video. Thanks for the info

@ryancline3192

23 күн бұрын

Weird thing is I bought some moonshine spoons the other day and the China made ones were about $1 more. I wouldn't have noticed if I didn't look at the package after watching the video.

Great Video ! Thank You

Great info amigo 🫡🎣💯

It’s just a bummer that they changed things. Hard to believe they can’t duplicate the colors any better. I struggle sometimes getting colors close but not as bad as that. And the tape thing I mean come on! Just hope the glow hasn’t changed much! I struggle making a good glow for my baits! But I keep trying! And the weight difference can be huge even if it’s 1g on the action it could be bad but could be better speeds may differ from the old blanks! Great info Michael thanks for sharing your findings!

I'll for sure check the blister pack before buying. Thanks Michael.

Package also doesn't say what hook they use. Was always VMC

@ChiCityYaker

23 күн бұрын

That is true too, didn't catch that one.

Great job on the video very informative! Glad I bought a bunch for spares before ACME took over knew this was going to happen very sad! Such a great spoon too! I would be curious to see if they glow as long as the originals?

@ChiCityYaker

23 күн бұрын

as far as I know the paint formula hasn't changed nor do I think it would. That was a big part of the Moonshine hype and appeal.

Great video about a disappointing change. Hopefully someone regional like Dreamweaver steps in and expands their glowing spoon lineup.

@markee1723

24 күн бұрын

I agree...except dreamweavers don't pound kings like the old moonshines!

At the very least I wish companies would send out a mass notification letting people know they're planning on going cheap

We need an old vs new head to head challenge. See which ones perform better.

The new hooks are Eagle Claw hooks

I've noticed the hooks bending out, never had that issue before, I'm also concerned about the quality of the split ring.

Exactly why I switched to Hangry Brsnd spoons

I wonder how the glow compares. The old ones stayed glowed up a long time and heck you could see em in the dark 100' away!

@wt2067

24 күн бұрын

He totally missed this

@ChiCityYaker

23 күн бұрын

as far as I know the glow formula has not changed nor do I suspect it will. That was a big part of the Moonshine hype all these years. If anything, I expect we'll see the paint formula on other ACME products.

What is that spoon box? Your spoons are being stored in? Great video thank you

@ChiCityYaker

23 күн бұрын

I did a video on it which is on my channel if you look back to last year. Here's the link for it: lakemichiganangler.com/products/spoon-boxes?variant=43479787929830

Better stock up on Moonshines and buy up all the American made stock before I boycott Acme as I do not support China or any off-shoring. Haven’t seen Chinese made product here in Canada yet. Suggest ACME passes on savings if we need to replace hooks.

Can you make a short video on spoon storage? That box you have is amazing.

@jbsvideos5589

25 күн бұрын

Agreed, which box is that?

@marismiglans4127

24 күн бұрын

Spoon Tender by TLC Tackle. LMA sells them but you can find them in local shops depending on where you are. Great for storage though I wish the box was a little more stout for a boating environment.

@ChiCityYaker

23 күн бұрын

I did a video on it last year that you can find on my channel if you go back a little bit. @marismiglans4127 mentioned it already but its a Spoon Tender box. You can find it here: lakemichiganangler.com/products/spoon-boxes?variant=43479787929830

Now it's time to stock up.Most tackle shops are being flooded with the Chinese junk.I've been able to stock up on some of the originals to stash away. These are only gonna go up in value as collectors items. A similar historical situation happened with the wiggle wart crank baits by storm pre Rapala.

@ChiCityYaker

17 күн бұрын

Those wiggle warts are deadly for fall run coho, ask me how I know! 😁

That's another fantastic video. Good job! Unfortunately most of the spoons made in China are coming in pretty crappy. I need to know where did you get that spoon box. I need one that is fantastic. Keep up the good videos. Thank you

@ChiCityYaker

23 күн бұрын

Sure, you can find them here: lakemichiganangler.com/products/spoon-boxes?variant=43479787929830 - there's also a video on my channel where I cover these spoon boxes if wanted to see that before purchasing.

My old eyes noticed a sparkle in all the USA spoons compared to China spoons. Thanks for showing the difference, if i can see the difference i,m sure the fish have better eyesight than me..

I had no idea they changed, I bought a bunch of them before the change I guess. This is very unfortunate news

Old tape transparent red opal. New tape transparent blue opal (948). Make a original vs kmda/made in Mexico Salmon Candy video next!!!

Made in china…..thats all we need to know. This is a shame. Iv been fishing moonshines sinc they came out in the early 2000s. Seen this same thing happen to storm.

Same thing happened with spawn netting from Atlas mikes.

@ChiCityYaker

23 күн бұрын

I noticed that last year

@philsajtar7487

5 күн бұрын

I buy my spawn netting at Hobby lobby in the fabric dept. . You will slap yourself in the face when you see how much you can get for $5.00 (in several different colors ).

@runawayjim6350

5 күн бұрын

@@philsajtar7487 isn’t it kinda stiff like scarf material. I like how soft the atlas mikes used to be.

Turned a great spoon into junk know of 2 big retailers .not dealing with them anymore

Do a glow test

@ChiCityYaker

23 күн бұрын

as far as I know the glow formula has not changed nor do I suspect it will. That was a big part of the Moonshine hype all these years. If anything, I expect we'll see the paint formula on other ACME products.

Sucks so bad, this is terrible for my business model.

You hit the nail on the head. That's not raspberry carbon RV, that's raspberry copper carbon RV?. Acme messed up.

@ChiCityYaker

20 күн бұрын

Yeah I personally am bothered with that change because that is literally my favorite spoon ever and now it's a totally different spoon because of the tape. I hope they fix it.

@westmichiganfishing9613

20 күн бұрын

@ChiCityYaker you're correct, it's basically a knock-off. The tape is impossible to get. Believe me, I've tried. I applaud you for making this video.

I'm guessing all my moonshines are the OG ones they had a clear on them and are very heavy allowing you to troll quite fast without them blowing out. sad when a company sells but i get it making lures is probably a pretty tough business. the crazy glow they have is it the same. a lot of the folks that buy these make their living from these products because it helps their clients catch more fish. that hook looks like a galvanized saltwater hook ok but not the strongest or sharpest. many folks change hooks anyway. glad you had the courage to put this video out nowadays with all the crazy, sad, bs out there but would guess you will be hearing from ACME soon. strange what they don't get is salmon fishing is very expensive saving a buck on a spoon is not high on our lists we want them to work

@ChiCityYaker

23 күн бұрын

as far as I know the glow formula has not changed nor do I suspect it will. That was a big part of the Moonshine hype all these years. If anything, I expect we'll see the paint formula on other ACME products.

@ericsadventuresfishing8832

22 күн бұрын

@@ChiCityYaker well good still not sure why they do the uv tape on them the glow is uv already

Dream Weaver

Same as bill lewis rattletrap, quality and product big change

I suspected the change and am not into spending money on what I consider imitations.

This is disappointing.....thanks for the information.

Very, very sad, ACME had better respond or face a boycott.

Made in China and these are the highest priced spoons out there. Go figure. I wonder how the paint will hold up.

@ChiCityYaker

23 күн бұрын

Only time will tell.

Leave it to ACME to F up a great product, I refuse to buy their crap

It's like the smithwicks all over again...

Time to stock up and stop buying them

All I use anymore is cheap China lures from Amazon anymore. All the American made stuff is way to expensive to fish with. I'd rather lose a 4 dollar China crank than a 12 dollar name brand.😅 still catch fish.