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We Were Soldiers 2002 - Rent or own full movie: amzn.to/3GMsd9l
Based upon the best-selling book "We Were Soldiers Once ... and Young" by Lt. Gen. Harold G. Moore (Ret.) and journalist Joseph L. Galloway, this compelling war drama depicts the true story of the first major battle between the United States and North Vietnamese forces. It is a film about uncommon valor and nobility under fire, loyalty among soldiers, and the heroism and sacrifice of men and women both home and abroad.
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The clear part here: "He might be a Sergeant Major, but you captains and Lieutenants do *not* get to give him orders."
@yendub
9 ай бұрын
Well, yah, he fought in two prior wars and saw more combat in either one than all of the officers there combined.
@edwardlenovo3240
9 ай бұрын
Well that's generally how it works...difference between rank and chain of command. They might out rank him, but they aren't his chain of command.
@edwardlenovo3240
9 ай бұрын
@@yendub Nothing to do with it. It's called chain of command. The Sgt-Major (in the US Army) RSM (Commonwealth Armies) is a direct advisor to the CO of an Infantry Battalion (or equivalent unit in other branches). He was just reinforcing that point in the scene (and for the audience).
@DavidLLambertmobile
9 ай бұрын
1SGs or CSMs act as the mgrs of the troops. The COs or officers deal with orders, supply, missions, budgets. Officers are held accountable & liable. Not enlisteds. I saw SMA Richard Kidd SF speak in Panama 🇵🇦. He made it clear, E-9s do NOT make policy or decisions. Field grade & general officers do that.
@kevincody8391
7 ай бұрын
Sr NCOs are what makes the Army
"He answers to me and to me alone". THAT is leadership.
@robertmorris8997
9 ай бұрын
Sergeant Major is the only enlisted command billet.
@CUNextTues
9 ай бұрын
So that means that none of the officers in the battalion cannot give the Sgt Major an order?
@johnpauljones9310
9 ай бұрын
@@CUNextTues No, they can. But if the he tells them to go f--- themselves, they know Moore will back Plumley over them.
@robertmorris8997
9 ай бұрын
@@CUNextTues That would be out of line professionally, and violating the Commanding Officer's order. All the other officers need to stay out of the SgtMaj's business.
@CUNextTues
9 ай бұрын
Fair enough.
I loved Plummly's line when asked why he never carried a rifle - "When it comes time for me to use a rifle, there will be plenty laying the battlefield..." That is a badass line....
@lumberluc
9 ай бұрын
Oof. He lets the Big Guns do the talking.
@randbarrett8706
9 ай бұрын
“by the time I need one, there’ll be plenty of them laying on the ground” I think that’s closer to the actual dialogue, and I believe he’s talking specifically about “getting [himself] an M16” and he says that there will be plenty on the ground because the troops carrying them will have been killed. Maybe that’s bad ass? Definitely a cool line.
@kevincody8391
7 ай бұрын
@@randbarrett8706 cool? One has to carry that for the wrest of their life, not lightly
@adamr9720
7 ай бұрын
I speak about that all the time. I’m not pretending to be anything of a leader like these men but I tell my team I need them with their heads up directing, not doing. We have plenty of people in our operation to do the doing. If they need to do things themselves, it means we are really short staffed. They should be inspiring and leading and assessing.
@dannyanderson2513
6 ай бұрын
He wasn't kidding. All he carried was a 1911
Sargent major plumly is just a living badass The fact he faught Italians and germans in siscly and salerno, germans in d-day , operation market garden in Holland, battle of the bulge, and into germany he fought in almost every major battle on the western front lol Then went to korea to fight the north koreans and chinese and still went on to fight in Vietnam is insane
@judeodomhnaill9711
3 жыл бұрын
Insanity lmfao
@bluedog843
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the craziest part is he survived throughout it all and lived until he was 92 years old. 30 years of service, wounded 4 times, thousands of hours of training and combat experience, and a fuckton of medals. He was interviewed about his time in La Drang along with other soldiers who served there. His interview was three paragraphs long, whereas the other soldiers had multiple pages worth. What a beast
@stitch626aloha
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if SGM Plumley ever told Sam Elliott what he thought of Sam's portrayal of himself... Sam Elliott was in attendance when SGM Plumley was laid to rest in 2012; THAT says quite a bit to me.
@mitchellwilbanks9809
Жыл бұрын
Both Plumly and Hal are badasses, plumly survived with a colt m1911 pistol and Hal got hundreds of kills, almost bayoneted, calls Broken arrow, calls in millions of napalm and bombs, and other things he did were incredible.
@Waltonet93
9 ай бұрын
Beware an old man in a profession where men usually die young.
Basil Plumley lived to the ripe old age of 92 and was married for 63 years...He was decorated with a silver star (w oak leaf cluster), a bronze star (also w cluster and "V" device), an air medal (with numeral device - "7" in this case), a legion of merit, the army commendation medal (with 3 oak leaf clusters), and a purple heart (oak leaf cluster) - not to mention - combat infantryman badges, airborne wings, glider wings, and NUMEROUS campaign and service medals... a life well lived and a life of amazing, appreciated service.
@specialk9424
9 ай бұрын
Are you familiar with the meaning of the clusters?
@2345allthebest
9 ай бұрын
@@specialk9424 Yes they mean additional awards for the same decoration.. my father had an air medal with four oak leaf clusters on it... So he had five air medals... If he would have got another one, he could have got a silver oak leaf cluster which denotes five awards ... Also had a bronze star with Oak leaf cluster and V device ... He was an 8th Air Force B-24 pilot and also flew in Korea and during the Cold War
@specialk9424
9 ай бұрын
@@2345allthebest OK, I guess you're familiar. If you weren't, I was going to explain it to you, but I didn't want to just assume you didn't know. And now anybody else who reads our thread will also know. And knowing is half the battle. Are you 80's enough to get that reference?
@DavidLLambertmobile
9 ай бұрын
@specialk9424 GI Joe!!! A Real American Hero! 🇺🇸 They claimed to be "top secret" 🤫 but in a few late 1980s comics, Joes wore Class As with red, white, blue GI Joe tabs.
@BlueEuph
3 ай бұрын
Freakin Glider Wings 🪽!?? Those dudes are insane for doing that stuff!
As former soldier myself I’ve always appreciated the little nuances of this scene. It definitely rings true. I especially like how LTC Moore establishes the boundary between his junior officers and battalion top sergeant. Plumley and Moore were a textbook example of what a partnership between CO and ranking NCO should look like.
@hellacoorinna9995
5 ай бұрын
"Don't think 'cause yer officers, you can order the Sar'Major around."
@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime
5 ай бұрын
Well, in the real Army, those officers don’t have to be told that. They know that they can’t F with the Sergeant Major.
@BULL.173
5 ай бұрын
@@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime If they're squared away officers then yeah probably. But in the real Army that isn't always the case.
@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime
5 ай бұрын
@@BULL.173 True. But if a butterbar tries to mess with the SGM, he’s going to get educated real quick.😊
@BULL.173
5 ай бұрын
@@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime Yes they would and rightfully so. I honestly can't remember ever seeing an O-1 or O-2 get too uppity with a senior NCO. Especially E-7 and above. That seemed to be the line where junior officers would become noticeably more careful. But I was also in the 173rd Airborne. Discipline was tight but our leadership was definitely a cut above. This was back in 2007 so almost everyone E-5 and above had at least one combat deployment under their belt. More than a few, including my platoon sergeant, had participated in the initial invasion of Iraq in 03.' So I was lucky in that respect. It was a highly professional and well motivated group of guys. There was just no allowance for that type of chickenshit behavior. The biggest problems we had were actually at the battalion level and above. Their chronic inability to properly support us in the field was negligent at best. And I'm not just talking about poor tactical decision making. We were basically stranded in those mountains and often found ourselves rationing water and eating only twice a day instead of three. Anyway, sorry about the rant lol.
Elliot was perfect for this role. His look and demeanor are everything I'd expectfrom an old school no bs NCO
@nickelgaming786
8 ай бұрын
My favorite part is that slight smile he does when Gibson says "I hope you all like training, because the Sargent Major and I, we love it."
@mikeprasad9717
6 ай бұрын
"how do yo know what kind of a god damn day it is"
@nickelgaming786
6 ай бұрын
@@mikeprasad9717 "What are you, a fuckin weatherman now?"
@scotthartman8993
5 күн бұрын
He was friends with Plumly and family. He sat with them at the Funeral a few years ago also
@pontiacGXPfan
Күн бұрын
THE Sam Elliot? Wow
Mel Gibsons joy, and Sam Elliott’s stern demeanor, crack me up every single time, and Mel’s final glance at the sergeant major, tops it off.
@792slayer
4 ай бұрын
Most people who saw this and knew him, said Plumley was too friendly. That's a gravel chewing sob.
@zzzzzzzzzzzk
3 ай бұрын
Captain Smooth and Sergeant Rough
@ScottyShaw
3 ай бұрын
Find yourself someone who looks at you the way LTC Moore looks at SGM Plumley 🥳🥳🥳
I know gibson's not a big man but he makes Sam Elliott look like an absolute UNIT
It's a long-established fact that working with Gibson was always a lot of fun and a lot of laughs but I'll bet it took a few takes at least to get that shot where Moore is smiling, Plumley is frowning & Moore gives him that sidelong glance. It must've been a funny moment on the set!
I love this scene because it shows you what a relationship between a Commander and their CSM or 1SG is supposed to look like.
The absolute most respected person in my batallion was our WO1. Absolutely ripped, been in every single engagement that the army had to offer in the 28 years since he joined and was openly the only person to scare the both the newly qalified junior officers and the general in equal measure. Truely as rough as sandpaper and took no sh*t, but absolutely loyal to his men and if they marched into hell, he'd be leading them from the front. He passed away last year from pancreatic cancer, miss the guy immensely.
@A.J.1489
Ай бұрын
You spoken very honorably about your former leader and to see that such men still walk among us is humbling. I myself knew three guys (two brothers and a friend) that would come to my bar and spend some time on the weekends. When the older brother got bedridden and the friend no longer could drive, I was asked to take the younger brother to the V.A. hospital, he had Hoskins Linphoma. This is where I learned all 3 were in the same seal unit, had served 3 tours in Vietnam, and agent orange had finally given him cancer. He told me he didn't want to fight it anymore. He's passed away a few years now, but I had heard an incredible story of rescue of a team LRRP Long Range Recon Patrol deep in enemy territory. Like you, I found myself humbled in their presence.
I've been a senior NCO for 10 years and the best LTCs and COLs I have worked for will tell all the Officers in their initial counseling that whatever MSG says it is like it comes from me.
@akotarakz
9 ай бұрын
This type of military system has always been so strange to me. Why bother sending people to officer schools (academies) when in the end a seasoned NCO, for example, has more knowledge in how to lead men and military tactics than an officer graduate. If these schools (academies) are so ineffective at simulating real working/combat conditions why keep them ? Just promote your NCOs to officers when the time comes and they have the experience. Or the other option - increase officer training effectiveness. Have the cadets spend more time working in military bases as right hand men/women to real NCOs and officers with real documents and enlisted. What is the point of having lieutenants and captains if you are going to tell them "Whatever the NCO says, that goes". Doesn't make any sense. It is like the Platoon Sergeant saying to the squad and team leaders that whatever the oldest and most seasoned Private 1st Class says, that goes.
@robg2732
9 ай бұрын
@@akotarakz A lot of it is based on tradition. Formerly officers were the only college educated and formally trained Soldiers, now you will see more NCOs with bachelors and masters degrees. (I myself have a masters degree). Officers and NCOs also have different roles and responsibilities. The officer issues guidance in accordance with higher command on how to accomplish their part of the mission, and it is up to the senior NCO to ensure that training plan and education of the Soldiers is carried out effectively. The US military has an robust officer and NCO military education system. Each rank you attain you have to go through some formal education to attain the next rank, at least in the Army.
@robg2732
9 ай бұрын
@@akotarakz Also, military service academy and ROTC cadets do spend time in the summers with real units learning from them. I have had several cadets during their summer training attached to my units to learn how it is. The main problem is there are toxic shitty officers and toxic shitty NCOs in every organization. It only takes one or two to have a lasting impact on that officer or NCO corps. I have been a senior NCO had a a toxic, drunkard LTC that I worked for that nearly ran that organization into the ground and forced a lot of junior officers and NCOs to leave the Army. This happens in places like Fort Cavazos (Hood) where there are shitty units with shitty unit history.
@robg2732
9 ай бұрын
@richardschiffman6418for sure I was just talking modern.
@PeteNice29
9 ай бұрын
@@akotarakz I think you're confusing two issues. Seasoned NCOs and their inherent value doesn't somehow devalue training officers get. There's only so much you can cram and simulate in a training environment. And your analogy doesn't work all the way down the ranks. The CO, SGM or 1SGT is often listed, for example, on base signs at the entrance -- not the CO and XO. It's somewhat tradition, but also respect to the enlisted men.
"Any one of you calls me granpda....I'll kill ya." lmaooo
@dciccantelli
2 ай бұрын
"Any o' you sonsabitches calls me granpa..." Fixed it for ya'. 😁
@soupafi
6 күн бұрын
ANd he wasn't joking
Sam Elliott always looks so strange without his mustache.
@davidsmith385
9 ай бұрын
I think he was born with one.😊
@alansalgado2740
9 ай бұрын
I think my brain auto filled his mustache.
@jamesbenton4123
9 ай бұрын
Meaner more serious
@Vito_993
9 ай бұрын
I didn’t know that was Sam Elliott 😂😂
@Terminatorguy34
Ай бұрын
At first I thought that was R Lee Ermey
My priests brother was apart of this crew and fought this battle they were in and survived. Apparently he was never the same when he came back home
@michaeldavis3819
3 күн бұрын
Having survived a combat tour in Afghanistan embedded with the 173rd Airborne and the 1st Infantry Division, I've never been the same since either. And the stuff I went through was nothing compared to this.
@nathanoppy
3 күн бұрын
@@michaeldavis3819 thank you for your service and God bless you!
0:47 every man’s first sight of the UH-1.
If there were two men I'd love lead me into battle would the late Gen. Hal Moore and Sgt. Major Basil Plummley. Both were excellent combat leaders and always took care of their men, plus with the rigorous training equivalent to Ranger and Airborne school really meant a difference of life and death in the difficult terrain of Vietnam. "When we go into battle, I will be the first to set foot on the field and I will be the last to step off. And I will leave no one behind. Dead or alive, we will all come home together." Hal Moore "Any you sons of bitches calls me grandpa, I'll kill you." Basil Plummley
@baronedipiemonte3990
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I was in a different branch, in the 90s, but can attest that they aren't making too many leaders of the caliber of Moore and Plummley. While we had mostly first rate Chiefs and Chief Warrants, the majority of the junior officers left much to be desired, for a variety of reasons. Moore & Plummley were career men. Most of our officers weren't, and their concept of leadership was "I'm an officer and you do what I tell you..."
@Autobotmatt428
2 жыл бұрын
I also agree
@secondarycontainment4727
9 ай бұрын
There were plenty of us. You'll likely never hear our stories. Men that fought wars were kicked to the side when Obama and Biden reduced the force. They replaced us for kids that never saw battle. And the only reason they did was to save a few bucks every paycheck. That's your POTUS. Hates real people, gets rid of heroes, and then will tell you a story about his corvette.
@randbarrett8706
9 ай бұрын
Always seemed like an impossible promise to keep, saying that everybody, dead or alive, will return to the US.
@randbarrett8706
9 ай бұрын
@@baronedipiemonte3990of course most officers have a “ever heard of rank structure?” mentality the military, especially the Air Force, consciously tries to model business environments and that is how it works in business
-Smile Plumley. -I am smiling.
I have great respect for the men who fought in Vietnam. They went through so much and fought bravely.
@ant-rod2881
3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the treatment they got back home for a war most didn't want to fight. RIP, the fallen ones, and thanks for their service to all.
@baronedipiemonte3990
3 жыл бұрын
@@ant-rod2881 It really is unmentionable, and so totally wrong, almost criminal.
@VictusG
9 ай бұрын
@@davesmith3023Better. Just vastly outnumbered and on foreign soil.
@randbarrett8706
9 ай бұрын
@@ant-rod2881what treatment did they get at home that was so bad? I would suggest that conscripting people and sending them to vietnam in the first place is the ultimate act of disrespect. We sent people to their deaths for no reason. At least all the people we sent to die in Iraq for no reason volunteered at some point (though a lot of the national guard troops did not expect to be asked to fight & die for the entertainment of George Bush)
@SudhashenNaicker
9 ай бұрын
I wait for the day we don't celebrate the bravery of men who give their lives needlessly over the failings of the leaders making decisions. Anyone who travels extensively and has some empathy, does not watch the news propaganda, knows that people are people anywhere in the world. Those who want power are the least suited to it as these psychopaths and narcissists who willingly send men to battle for just that. It's the fringe in our society who determine how the rest live. Its evident everywhere in the world at the moment - the COVID fiasco is a case in point. True leaders will do everything in their power to avoid war. They will do everything in their power to be a servant to those in their care. Human will to do something can be extraordinary. History has shown us this, it just has to be directed properly. Someday, I hope war with our fellow brothers will be no more.
As a retired staff NCO and someone who was blessed to have been mentored by some legends. I wish someone would do a full spectrum documentary on military culture pre-UCMJ/post UCMJ. This is something few people can articulate.
@simonholdsworth6867
6 ай бұрын
What are the biggest differences, in your opinion?
@tonylittle8634
6 ай бұрын
@@simonholdsworth6867 prior to the UCMJ, each branch dealt with discipline according to their own criteria and standards. There was of course pros and cons but that culture didn’t die out overnight. That culture was very conducive to a non politically correct culture based on training and discipline. I’d be willing to bet that the Pattons, Chesty and other larger than life could have succeeded in a post UCMJ environment. I’m basing my opinion on the countless hours I spent talking to ww1/ww2/Korean war veterans. Many of the JAG officers that helped write the UCMJ went on to become federal judges. Because of the streamlining of rights and responsibilities I often wonder if that opened the door to what we have today. Of course this is just my opinion, as I’m a nobody.
@anon2034
6 ай бұрын
@@tonylittle8634 "Of course this is just my opinion, as I’m a nobody." - realistic assessment that includes all of us.
This was one of many hard hitting movies to watch depicting war. Huge cast and well acted, directed and some historical context to boot!!
@roquri
9 ай бұрын
Read the book.
The officers quickly learned the Sgt Major had experience and wisdom to lead them. Nuff said!
Is that a young Jon Hamm I see?
@bruno8126
2 жыл бұрын
Looks like Don Draper escaped sterling cooper in episode 4 to go to Vietnam hehe
@trajan231
9 ай бұрын
Clark Gregg is in there.
I never figured out how going into battle in something as loud as a Huey was a good idea. So much for surprise. But I LOVE this movie.
@Shado902
9 ай бұрын
distance a huey could cover, instead of all on foot.
@ditto9300
9 ай бұрын
You cant hear helicopters until they're basically right on top of you unless they're flying high above the ground. Even then helicopters are still pretty fast. The tactical advantage is why we use them though. They don't require a runway and you can put troops and cargo wherever you want to, and for gunships they can hover around instead of having to fly around and line up their cannons.
@notlikely4468
6 ай бұрын
I knew an American psychologist who treated vets with PSTD The number of patients who had flashbacks of slinging their rifles, turning their backs to the enemy and running towards the biggest, loudest target in the jungle And then unloading stores and loading casualties He figured it was that "back towards the danger" stuff that really put the fuck into them
@Tank50us
6 ай бұрын
@@Shado902yeah the Huey by modern standards isn't very fast, but it was still faster than anything on the ground, and go directly to where it was needed instead of following a road, and didn't have to worry about getting stuck in mud or anything
These soldiers were not bot drafted but they volunteered. Epic courage just for the duty just like their dads and grandfathers did
@TheLAGopher
6 ай бұрын
Those soldiers volunteered or were drafted when the country was at peace. A permanent draft had been in effect since the end of the Korean War in 1953 which would last the length of US involvement in Vietnam until 1973. The movie showed them getting the news from the President that he was sending US troops into South Vietnam after they had already been training for sometime. The Army brass was shown to have been wanting to fight in Vietnam. Lt.Col Moore was clearly expecting the US to get involved. But the average enlisted soldiers didn't know that fight was coming. After getting the news of their deployment orders to Nam,Moore is shown complaining that he was losing experienced soldiers due to their expired enlistments because the President did not declare a state of emergency and involuntarly extend enlistments. Those soldiers had to be replaced by last minute enlistees and draftees.
@murphyjack90
5 ай бұрын
Lifers
My uncle, a Gulf war vet and member of the 82nd airborne was in this scene.
Leadership be example. That's how you gain respect and get the job done. I've known men who I would follow into battle, no questions asked, because they earned our trust.
gotta love all the planning needed to get that choper to fly in view at the right time! wonder how many commanders tried that and failed..
@Tank50us
6 ай бұрын
That's why they had Crandall do it in the scene. He was the leader of the Hueys and could be counted on to do it on cue
I wonder how many us soldiers and others reacted to the Huey helicopter, a game changing innovation in helicopter technology and transportation.
@georgejones8481
9 ай бұрын
They like it 🚁
@ImpendingJoker
6 ай бұрын
Actually they didn't like it much at all and neither did the pilots. The model shown here is a UH-1H(Bell 205) which came much later in the war, the UH-1C, the short version(Bell 204) that was being used at the time this movie is depicted had barely enough power to get off the ground with a full load of troops or supplies due to the high altitude and the hot humid conditions, it wasn't uncommon for the gunner and crew chief to jump out of the helicopter to reduce the weight and run along side the bird until it had enough speed and translational lift to clear the trees. The early Hueys were trash and often crashed more due to being under powered than from enemy fire.@@georgejones8481
@Tank50us
6 ай бұрын
@@davesmith3023if you were an officer, you were a volunteer. And most of the troops that fought in Vietnam were volunteers, not draftees. Most of those drafted during that time were sent to Europe, Japan and Korea to shore up vacancies (either from soldiers retiring, leaving at the end of their term, legal reasons, or being transferred elsewhere for other duties).
haha I love this😂 the intro for the Huey's was badass
Where the metal meets the meat. God the world needs men like this now!
That Sergeant was bad ass...and Sam Elliott played him perfectly...I wouldn't mess with him..
Plumly is a role model for a soldiers.
I like Sgtmaj. He’s the Warhammer 40k space marines ancient.
@markanthony0405
6 ай бұрын
I can see Plumley commanding a Terminator squad no problem
SgtMaj. Plummley is the kind of man you don't wanna mess with even if your rank is General
@jeffreypeters2803
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the Gunnery Sergeant from The Pacific who chewed out a fresh lieutenant for not keeping his weapon pointed down range while training
@specialk9424
9 ай бұрын
@@jeffreypeters2803 And the best part of that, was the captain. "Don't look at me, lieutenant, Gunny's right."
@davidsmith385
9 ай бұрын
Kind of like Eastwood in Heartbreak ridge.
@ericgarringer6911
9 ай бұрын
He's the kind generals salute
@specialk9424
9 ай бұрын
@@ericgarringer6911 And then he replies, without saluting back, "What am I, a fuckin' officer?"
Every unit needs an NCO like that
On 11 May 2023 Fort Benning, GA was officially renamed Fort Moore in honor of General Moore and his wife Julia Moore, who set an example of what an Army spouse should be. They are both buried on post.
@sabrewolf4129
9 ай бұрын
I was stationed there in 1984, I don't care what they renamed it, it will ALWAYS be Fort Benning to me.
@sabrewolf4129
9 ай бұрын
@@davesmith3023 yeah, right
@Wesmark1184
9 ай бұрын
@@sabrewolf4129 If there ever was a man who deserved to have a base named for him,it was Hal Moore and his wife was instrumental in how next of kin is notified of a soldiers death.
@sabrewolf4129
9 ай бұрын
@@Wesmark1184 Then make a new base, there is nothing wrong with a base named for Benning. It was that name for 100 years, only now with the whole woke racist bullshit does it become an issue. It will forever be known as Fort Benning by those of us who were stationed there, trained there, basically lived there, a good portion of our lives.
@DavidLLambertmobile
9 ай бұрын
@@Wesmark1184 Moore was a great Army officer. Much like Richard "Dick" Meadows SF, Col James Nick Rowe, SF & MSG Roy Bienvetez: MoH awardee 🏅.
Cool how the lt col was waiting right on the other side of the hanger door for the sergeant major to call the room to attention. Even cooler that there was a helicopter waiting until the lt col reached the right moment in his speech to fly in and salute the lt col
@DavidLLambertmobile
9 ай бұрын
Did you see John Hamm as 1 of the young officers? Army. He's in Top Gun 2 as a Navy Adm. ⚓️
0:28 I didn't recognise Jon Hamm without the glass of bourbon in his hand.
The average life expectancy in that battle was less than 10 minutes. RIP to those brave men.
@frantisekbabic9683
6 ай бұрын
thats absolutely messed calculation because in the battle of LZ Xray 80 men died in 4 days... the whole casualties were 234 dead so it must have been much longer :)
@frantisekbabic9683
6 ай бұрын
and it was deployed 1000 cavalry soldiers :)
@StewBedazzle
6 ай бұрын
All based off the false flag of the gulf of tomkin.....tragedy they are heros but the us AND vietnam governments are evil
I think this is one of Mel’s best performances, good movie.
I was never an officer, and I can't claim to have ever led troops into combat, but as an NCO I learned that leadership (not management -- that's something else) essentially boils down to three words: Lead by example. In the decades since, experience has only confirmed that principle.
@4catsnow
7 күн бұрын
Custer set the bar for situational awareness 1876......Somebody should have revisited that before they went into that valley....
"You don't have to feed it." Yes, you do. You feed it fuel.
So many familiar faces.... now we know where Coulson received training :D Didnt know he trained together with Cyclone and Gibbs .. maybe is a parallel reality where Shield, NCIS and Maverick are part of a strike team?? Nice crossover :D.. Excellent actors. Good movies!! Good times!
@MaxwellAerialPhotography
6 ай бұрын
I don’t think Mark Harmon was in this movie.
@JnEricsonx
9 күн бұрын
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography No, but he and Clark Gregg are both on The West Wing. Or as I joked, "If they had Coulson and Gibbs, how did we NOT run out of bad guys?"
"He answers to me, and me alone." Probably didn't need to tell them that, but you never know for sure.
I can appreciate this movie and the portrayal of these men as nothing less than absolute heroes… I’m a Vet myself, having served in the USAF for 22 years… But what I dislike about this entire part of our nations history, is WHY we got involved in Vietnam in the first place… Too many young men died for NOTHING…and that pisses me off…
I love when he reads off the back of Plumley's baseball card. Total badass!
Thanks Johnny!
What a young Jon Hamm.
They were great men and soldiers
Such an iconic movie. Don't know if it got the love it deserved at the time, but to a civie it seemed about as good as a war movie could be. Nothing really sugar coated, but great characters, and it even shows the other side of things, something many movies leave out. Respect to all who served.
@TheLAGopher
6 ай бұрын
People tend to forget that We Were Soldiers came out right on the heels of Blackhawk Down, about a month later. They were both part of a number of war films and mini series (Such as Band of Brothers) which were inspired by renewed interest in big budget war films brought on by Saving Private Ryan, and that came out shortly before or just after 9-11 and before the Iraq War.
@David_brent
4 ай бұрын
@@TheLAGopherprivate ryan came out in 97
@jonathanbirch2022
2 ай бұрын
It was pretty popular on DVD
RIP LTG Moore and CSM Plumley.
Gibson and Elliot should really make more movies together.
For the civilians watching: Enlisted, regardless of rank, are below officers. An E9 Sergeant Major with decades of experience is technically required to salute and follow the orders of an O-1 boot lieutenant who has been at the unit for all of 1 hour. However, all those officers answer to the Commanding Officer. And what the Commanding Officer says, goes. He said what he said based off the Sergeant Majors history. That’s what makes this scene so memorable to vets.
Awesome movie
4 combat jumps in WW2 and then a jump in Korea?!? Badass.
What a classic movie.
who doesn't like to train on a frickin' chopper
Plummley is one big daddy war machine badass
good vid man
Great movie this 👍
"And this will be our horse!" - Fortunate Son starts playing.
They're not training if it's not raining
Gibson looks like he's having the time of his life.
Great movie!!
@4catsnow
7 күн бұрын
Train wreck real event...
Seeing a young John Hamm is just odd given the 20 plus years.
Army is a shadow of what is was. And not necessarily for the better. One would argue we have adapted to the times, but we have not.
@brettdeadrick524
9 ай бұрын
That's what we want people to think. Only a fool would believe it.
@tw5139
6 ай бұрын
The Army's achilles heel is what it has always been, they take anyone, high school drop outs, non citizens, criminals. Probably 25-50% are straight up scumbags that they gave a uniform to. Get some goddamn standards.
Find someone that looks at you the way the B.C. looks at the SGTMAJ.
My friend is a retired sgt major in the marine corps. Served over 30 years as an mp. K9 officer.
@handsomeman-pm9vy
6 ай бұрын
I was a person who worked many jobs over 30 years. And I retired with nothing.
In :37, Sgt. Major Plumley reminds me of an eagle!!!😀😀😀
I washed this movie back in HS and did not realize how many big names were in it.
it's funny with plumley being as badass as he is in real life and the movie you would need someone like macarthur to match him in gravitas.
CSM Gary Shidell, wherever you are, thanks, and God bless! I hated your guts sometimes, but so did everyone else, and you made sure we knew that didn’t mean one damn thing. You lead by example, and it still makes a difference.
Sam, great actor, and multi faceted.
One thing for officers to know: Do not mess with the SGM. He has more experience. He knows more people. He can get things done under the radar.(officially). SGM scares us enlisted, we would move Heaven and Earth to keep his wrath at bay. Stay off his grass.
Plumley went through 3 wars 😮
My base is now named after that man
You could tell Mel was trying to Crack up Sam
0:31 I didn’t know Agent Coulson served in ‘Nam…
@danielhaire6677
9 ай бұрын
Shh. That's classified!!
I am sooooo jealous. I’m in excellent shape, can do PT til the proverbial cows come home, wanted to serve my country, make my Papa proud-Sargent in WWII-have 3 degrees (1 medical) speak 3 languages, BUT have a GI condition. As long as I don’t have dairy or wheat I’m fine, tho was told ‘In a draft we’d love to have you, but…’ I’ll never get over it.
Those salutes 🤣
@0:29 seems Donald Draper went back to the service after fleeing Hersheys
I had no idea William Wallace, Virgil Earp, Agent Coulson, Don Draper, and the Talk Soup guy all served together!
Actually any one of those officers could give sgt mjr an order and sgt mjr would have to follow it. But then they would have to deal with a very pissed off LT Col.
@BigbyOShaunessy
6 ай бұрын
There’s alway that junior officer, who fails to appreciate the difference between rank and authority.
Agent Coulsen cameo
In short, you may outrank him, but you don’t.
This, my friends, is the REAL deal.
can u do a m1919 browning complaition pls
If this was realistic, you'd have heard that Huey right from the beginning of the scene heh.
Those dust off cowboys know their stuff
1:47 So that's where Agent Coulson before he was tasked to S.H.I.E.L.D.
Get some!
Agent Colsen's first undercover assignment; Captain Metsker.
How much did it cost the production to convince Sam to shave his mustache!? 😆
Turns out Plumley was a practitioner of stolen valour, he never did a single jump in WW2.
@chrisb7198
5 күн бұрын
You really need to clarify this statement. There are discrepancies in his record but to say the man himself was trying to "steal valor" is dumb. He was a hero for his actions during this battle and was awarded a Silver Star for his actions above and beyond the call of duty. You want stolen valor look at generals given medals for doing nothing or even being guilty of getting their forces wiped out due to stupidity.
@DonWan47
5 күн бұрын
@@chrisb7198 You’re engaging in whataboutism. He claimed to have done combat jumps in WW2, he did no such thing and was in fact only ever on gliders.
@chrisb7198
5 күн бұрын
@@DonWan47 And in WWII did glider insertions get listed as combat jumps? He was a paratrooper since 43. It seems from what I've read that even the army isn't sure. And in one interview he stated he did not make jumps in WWII. Don't watch hollywood movies and look for historical accuracy.
@DonWan47
5 күн бұрын
@@chrisb7198 Look pal. I know you’re triggered but Plumley wore combat jump wings on multiple occasions. He’s a fraud.
@DonWan47
Күн бұрын
@@chrisb7198 He was a fraud. Nothing more need be said.
Coulson, Nip/Tuck and Mad Men Shame it didn't work out for the other two actors
"Now I hope you gentlemen like *ss. Cause me and the Sergeant Major, we love it!"
Ft. Benning was renamed Ft. Moore in honor of Hal Moore.
The man.