Here is the easiest way to make sense of Tenet: understand that the siege at the Kiev opera *AND* the final battle in Siberia are both taking place on the same day ("the 14th"). Sir Michael Caine confirms that when he tells the Protagonist that satellites detected a big explosion in Siberia on the same day as the Kiev siege. So the movie starts on the 14th, the Protagonists continues travelling forward in time until the Tallin car chase, then starts travelling inverted on the icebreaker until the 14th, whereupon he reverts and fights the Bad Guys in Siberia. Which means two things: (1) when he wakes up after his torture he is on an icebreaker that is *also* taking an inverted version of himself "back" to the final battle and (2) everyone that the Protagonist meets who is working for Tenet (CIA-dude, Lady arms-dealer, Sir Michael Caine, Neil, Ives, etc) already knows that they have won, precisely because from THEIR PoV the Siberia battle has already been fought.

@inkero1796

3 жыл бұрын

And it's all about tying loose ends in the end

@jamesramplin8124

3 жыл бұрын

It breaks my brain with stuff like the ship because that ship must have been planned from the start to set off and go to where his inverted self arrives so that he goes back to the place where it set off from meaning they started with the inverted protagonist that they are transporting already being where they needed to be but for him to exist there they need to go all the way to where he gets on when inverted in the future. It must be a mind fuck to live in that universe

@andymc96

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesramplin8124 o know I've gone cross eyed

The time code for Tenet is 32:23, a palindrome, very nice

@atom0824

3 жыл бұрын

thank u!

About Tenet, for those who want to see the airport, highway and Stalsk events happening at the same time, I create simple animations to show it. Overall, I liked Tenet a lot, but I had the feeling that Nolan was complicating things just to show how complicated movie he can make.

It’s hard to believe it’s only their 4th episode they seem like they’ve been doing it for years

@lyndsaybrown8471

3 жыл бұрын

Tenet effect

@uosdwiSrdewoH

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Except this would be the 5th episode. The Aunty Donna one would have been the 4th and also they stopped doing that and changed it back starting with the Aunty Donna episode which was numbered 360. This is episode 361.

Having a dump in the tenet universe must be the worst experience imaginable

@BrodyxBrown

3 жыл бұрын

I’m sure there’s a few Germans who would be into it

@vb8428

3 жыл бұрын

@Jacob Whitehouse Funny but they're not reversing infinitely, at some point they start going forward.

@johnreynolds7996

3 жыл бұрын

Only from the PoV of an external observer (and, honestly, that’s one weird perv). From the PoV of the inverted person they are simply doing what they have always done when they drop their trackie-dacks.

@johnreynolds7996

3 жыл бұрын

@R4-P17 Not denying that is what happened in Red Dwarf. I’m just pointing out that it doesn’t work that way in Tenet: an inverted person taking a crap doesn’t notice anything untoward when he does so. Though he would be alarmed if he saw a “normal” person going through the motions. And vice versa: that normal person is not inconvenienced when they dump, but would be startled if they witnessed an inverted person going through a bowel-movement. It ALL depends on the PoV of the observer, and not at all on the “crapper”.

@manuelmorales6191

3 жыл бұрын

Or the best depending on why kinks you’re into . Just saying

'His ancestors were from the past' Isn't that where all ancestors are from

@dukstedi

3 жыл бұрын

you’ve crackt it!

@dazza818

3 жыл бұрын

Days of future past.

@pentelegomenon1175

3 жыл бұрын

not for the backwards boys

@judeconnor-macintyre9874

Жыл бұрын

Netflix's Dark: No it is not.

Hey James and Maso! Fact check: The Australian release of Spider-Man: Miles Morales is actually called Spider-Man: Kilometers Morales. I used to think this pod had some journalistic integrity, but I've lost faith in you after such a flagrant mistake. Unsubscribing.

@ferstnaimlaastnaim6732

3 жыл бұрын

Arachnid-Kid: Kilometers Molasses

@Drawnartist

3 жыл бұрын

Haha pretty clever joke sir

@bradleyaleshire8706

3 жыл бұрын

Spi-Mo Mi-Mo

@normalgraham

5 ай бұрын

I was literally wondering earlier whether or not he's called Kilometers "Tails" Prower in Europe, I think you and I drank the same brain poison

Tenet? What is this, a bloody “old classic films” episode?

Entropy being reversed means that inverted objects don't move from higher energy to lower energy (like a ball dropping due to gravity, losing potential energy), they move from low energy to high energy. Now, you could ask why things don't constantly fall upwards, but it does help you understand why something like an explosion leads to freezing. How inversion works in the movie makes sense for where they use it, but it doesn't make sense where they don't. Really cool idea. Very similar to time moving in reverse, but it's more the mechanism that we know time is moving forward. Edit: I am saying that the increase of entropy is a good measure of time moving forward.

Since last episode me and my best friend checked out Aunty Donna and I just want to say thank you, probably the funniest thing on Netflix rn

I loved Tenet. I definitely understand the complaints about the audio but I personally heard pretty much everything.

I was here back when the podcast was only 16 minutes long!

@marqeerobinson4550

3 жыл бұрын

Thats like...... Years before the big sandwich.... You legend

@jaydedinnoo8819

3 жыл бұрын

Welll whoopTeeefuckinDo fuh you.

I think that wall he was training with to reverse shoot was from that end battle. I loved this movie it was blowing my mind.

The rock face with all the bullets is from the final battle, which takes place before he meets the scientist and sees the rock face.

@johnreynolds7996

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, exactly. Both the first set-piece in Kiev and the final battle in Siberia are taking place on the same day, and the journey that the Protagonist takes is like a bungee-jump: he travels forward in time (i.e. “normally”) from Kiev to Tallin, and then travels backwards in time (“inverted”) until he arrives in Siberia. He even wakes up after Kiev on the same icebreaker, which at THAT point in time is returning FROM the Siberia battle. Presumably it is carrying a piece of wall from Science-lady to examine.

Nothing in this movie approaches the time-travelling logic of Bill & Ted Face The Music, in particular the scene where they are being chased around the mansion by their "future uses" who - obviously - know exactly which rooms the two boys had run to because, err, they only had to remember where they went. Queue the next scene, where Bill & Tell are running full-throttle through the mansion while wearing plastic buckets on their head. Comic. Gold.

Surely a backwards gun would go "gnab?"

@jamesramplin8124

3 жыл бұрын

Genius

Tenet was legitimately incredible. I didn’t get it all on the first go, but it was absolutely incredible.

How much can you podcast on average?

@mrsundaymovies

3 жыл бұрын

This is a very personal question and I will not engage

@davidgeldner2167

3 жыл бұрын

Seventeen.

@bantazmo1978

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@user-wr5yx8tk3r

3 жыл бұрын

More than you

@shwndrws7785

3 жыл бұрын

🤯

Glad you guys finally got to see and talk about Tuh-nett. The idea of a 50:50 forwards/backwards film also does sound like an interesting concept

Wanted to watch Tenet at home so I could come back to listen to this. Was... ok

50:47 you guys just described the plot of tenet, after the backwards hostage situation the rest of the movie travels backwards, and it shows the first half of the movie from a different perspective. They did what you said they should've done

@thekillerprawn

Жыл бұрын

56:47 stalsk 12 the battle

I'd love a Taika Waititi directed TMNT movie

RobackBack'n'Back, was paid to be in the movie, un-received the script, then had no idea the project existed.

Still can't believe how divisive this movie was. I LOVED it and still love it. I think it comes down to whether or not you're on board for reverse entropy or not. James isn't on board and therefore doesn't like it. I was on board and loved it

I feel like the only real solution for Black Panther is to have it be Shuri. Not that it makes it any easier on the actors, but just from a logistical standpoint doesn't it seem like thats the clearest path?

@Henez89

3 жыл бұрын

Nakia. Biggest actor, can hold the leading role, was under-served last time and could easily be queen of Wakanda already when the second film starts. My pick anyway

@jazzycat8917

3 жыл бұрын

@@Henez89 Thats also a good option. I just thought Shuri because she has the birthright to challenge for it and there's comic validation. But Nakia is also cool.

@bobsandwich3431

3 жыл бұрын

Or recast

@jazzycat8917

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobsandwich3431 They'll never do that, it would be a PR nightmare

@bdonovable

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure of lasting effects of the upcoming live action version of into the Spiderverse for Spiderman 3, but if an alternative reality merges with the MCU 616, it would be palatable to have Erik Kilmonger as the bearer of the Black Panther mantle. A copy and paste of T'Challa's intelligence, skills, and abilities because he was raised as royalty of Wakanda. He is the benevolent King of Wakanda in his reality, but then is plopped into 616 Wakanda, where Shuri has reluctantly become the queen since the tragic loss of her brother. The actors/characters can simultaneously grieve Boseman and T'Challa. Shuri/Okoye/Nakia can have moments of at first distrust of the alternate timeline Black Panther, but then accept him as one of their own. Shuri will have doubts about being Queen, but Kilmonger can be her wise mentor and reassure her like T'Chaka did for T'Challa. Shuri and Kilmonger can make a deal Kilmonger will fill in as the Black Panther for 616, while Shuri tries to help him return home. The length of Kilmonger black panthers stay can be for a single movie that hints of one of the ladies taking up the black panther mantle or indefinitely. I think people would be on board with that.

The Tenet discussion was spot on, really had me laughing, saw it at release here in the UK and remember thinking pretty the same thing, whilst watching I was with it all the way but post movie/cinema trying to work out it all out. I realised everything I thought I had worked out just threw up more questions, saw it in IMAX and sound wise the important info I needed I couldn't hear but Hans Zimmer's thumping score mangled my fucking ears and I'm an old school Metal fan and felt it was too loud, only Christopher Nolan and his IMAX obsession could make a metal fan think music was too loud.

@linds6609

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Hand Zimmer.

I was so bored in this movie but I jumped up when the movie started going backwards at the halfway point cos I also thought we were going to go all the way back to the beginning. And then I was disappointed again

I feel like Nolan has a fascination with time. Off the top Interstellar, Momento, Inception, and this all have elements of time in them.

@michaelbrice5169

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExitStrategy1609 you are right!

@michaelbrice5169

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExitStrategy1609 except The Prestige

“Print out the script before seeing tenet”

Nolan doesn't seem to have ever really been an actor's director. Considering he drowns out most of the dialogue going back to Dark Knight Rises and trying to understand anything Bane said in the original cut. It does kind of tell you where he places the actors in the grand scheme of his films. It's all about crazy sound design and if you can't hear the actors they don't matter anyway.

Ace work from Collings as usual.

@rawcollings

3 жыл бұрын

Mate, thank you < 3

I was watching old honest trailers videos last night and was very entertained when I heard mr. Sunday’s voice as the ‘Australian’ in the into the spider verse honest trailer

@jordancowdrey1397

3 жыл бұрын

Additionally, james the real Australian sounded like a fake Australian with his accent

Here 3 years later after seeing the sequel trailer. Cant wait to see Elevenet!

James wants to watch ‘Prey’ in Cherokee but can’t abide Mads Mikkelson unraveling over Finnish subtitles. 😂

The reason the explosion freezes the protagonist is that he is inverted, thus, so is the worlds when he inverts himself. When you invert entropy, the opposite occurs. Calm to chaos becomes chaos to calm. If a bullet is dropped, you create disorder, inverted it will seemingly rewind back to the point of max potential energy in the palm. I think the explosions entropy is reversed so that the fire rather than produces heat, begins to freeze the car.

Hey James now that we know it’s hitting HBO Max the same day as theaters on Christmas (or Boxing Day as it’s known there in Australia), will you go to the theater or watch at home?

Woah Maso has an outside job apart from his inside job? He’s just like us!

I'm hoping for a Defenders of the Earth style running joke now where any mention of the Scorpion King is accompanied by Arnold Vosloo's "NOOOOOOOO!" from The Mummy Returns. Make it happen.

My inverted self is back here from the future after finally seeing the movie. It's alright

For me, Tenet is Nolan at his best and worst, and the things that make the movie incredible also tend to undermine it. It's a paradox in and of itself. Because the core concepts of the movie are so intrinsically woven into the cinematography, it can make it both seamless and bafflingly difficult to grasp while watching (I defy you to not be both enthralled and perplexed by precisely what you're seeing during the Stalsk-12 sequences). It also works against it such that the moments that should be absolutely gut-wrenching, like the final moments with Niel, stumble in the moment.

@Kango234

2 жыл бұрын

This is the greatest review of this movie anyone could ask for.

AVP: Requiem was shot so dark that you often couldn't see what was happening on screen, now that was a terrible movie anyway, but people also did *specifically* complain that you couldn't see what was happening. That's not because audiences are "too conservative" when it comes to being able to see what's on the screen.

@gimlym6641

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExitStrategy1609 Hey, thanks for informing my about my own life experiences, but I actually saw it in the cinema too, along with a lot of other people. My statement remains the same.

I remember when people got on JJ Abhrams because he was using too many lens flares, so Nolan can't complain.

Just watched it there I could here everything no problem with the sound just couldn’t understand what was going on though 😂

YES!! WE *NEED* A LIVE ACTION TREASURE PLANET!!!

An action horror Turok would be amazing.

W.R.T. James' question as to how the bullets got into that wall, well, the answer is obvious: the inverted bullets were put into that wall when the Protagonist pressed the trigger of the inverted gun (I'm assuming that a "normal" gun can't fire "inverted" bullets, just like a "normal" person can't breathe "inverted" oxygen). So from the PoV of the GUN and the BULLETS then those bullets went into that wall at that precise moment, and from that moment on they travelled backwards in time inside the wall. From the Protagonists PoV that is also the precise moment the bullets, err, left the wall and went into the gun. But from the perspective of the gun and the bullets they don't care what he thinks of the situation.

In the US, we watch Christmas movies around Christmas. What do you guys watch on Boxing Day? Rocky? The Creed movies perhaps?

This changed from a 16 minute video about Heart of Ice to a podcast episode while I slept. Very scary.

... I didn't know there was a Turok comic, I only ever knew about the video games... feel kinda dumb now cause I really liked those games when I was younger

I don’t know why… but in Tenet… every time I hear the line “we live in a twilight world”… I expected to hear “I’m a Barbie girl, in a Barbie world” as a response… oh well… opportunity missed

I was lucky (brave?) enough to see Tenet at cinemas and the sound really bothered me. I hadn't really had a problem with his other movies, but for this one i REALLY struggled to understand what the funk they were saying! Which is a shame because everything else about the film was quite good.

Just watched Tenet at home, and came back here. I guess you guys really couldn't hear a thing huh XD

For me, the sound design didn't bother me because I didn't need it to follow the plot, and when I found I did need it, I could understand it

I'm not telling you what to do but I definitely found New Mutants on the high seas, mateys

This podcast has a habit of just glazing over incredible ideas hahaha. Mikkleson as Dr Doom is an incredible idea. I love these guys haha

It was awesome, but I struggled to describe it afterwards 😂

Just in time for it to leave theaters!

- the Indian lady wasn’t selling inverted arms, just arms that Sator then inverted. - inverted bullets are only really useful to inverted people. - the explosions freezing or whatevs wasn’t because the inverted explosions were freezing, it was inverted explosions interacting with non-inverted matter... or vice versa... or something? I didn’t have any issues with the sound, but it was just hard to follow... it was much easier to understand the second time, but still a little confusing. but I actually have a feeling that it all makes perfect sense to someone who understands it, like there aren’t any error or gaps in logic.

@johnreynolds7996

3 жыл бұрын

1) True. She says as much. 2) Non-inverted Neil kills someone in Kiev with an inverted bullet fired “from” and inverted gun. If science-lady had stood between non-inverted Protagonist and the wall-of-bullet-holes then she would have died when the inverted bullets flew “back” into the gun. 3) No idea. I still don’t understand that bit.

Something that most people do not know about Tenet is that initially it was called Blue Harvest.

I'm still waiting for the "Avatar the last Airbender" episode 😪

Did you know that the child in Tenet is supposed to be Robert Pattinson? Hope your mind is blown.

@judeconnor-macintyre9874

Жыл бұрын

My mind is blown, that makes so much sense.

Tenet is OK, if you are alright with understanding about 60% of what is happening on screen at any given time.

@christianrapper

3 жыл бұрын

60 percent? You got more than me.

@Kango234

2 жыл бұрын

Truly accurate.

Just watched tenet so I can finally watch this Maybe I’m spoiled with subtitles But I fucking loved it

A gun with inverted bullets is no use to someone that's not inverted.

Knock knock Who's there? Audience engagement Audience engagement who? It's just me, just my usual audience engagement comment...hi 👋

Cool party!

50:00 THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE!! I turned to my friend and said: if they redo the whole movie backwards it's gonna blow my fucking mind! And then it didn't and sucked til the end :(

Maso: I still think its better than interstellar though because its not as sad James under his breath: but i like interstellar :(

@SaulGMV

3 жыл бұрын

good ol'Mason and his clinically depressed friend.

I time travelled Tenet style to respond with "What about Henry Cavill in the Highlander?"

The empire wasn't destroyed as we've seen in the sequel Trilogy.

@jamesclement8985

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it was.

I would be THRILLED if they did a Dr. Aphra series. She's such a fun character. And as long as the writers do a good job of translating her and she's written as well as her comics I think she would be a much better example of a "strong female lead" than we've gotten in some... other Disney era content

Why did they emphasize that an inverted bullet would hurt hella bad? Wouldn’t it hurt just as much as a normal bullet? In other words, not worth pointing out.

@Orgikan

3 жыл бұрын

It's because it "pre-wounds" you, and that's why you would need to be reinverted (like they did with the girl) in order to heal

@harryflorin2370

3 жыл бұрын

@@Orgikan plus it’s radioactive

I love that Spoilers is labeled Wonder Woman 84 lol

My two favourite running gags are back! 'What do you think the story was' and 'a couple a' backwards bois'!

Jackie Gleason (aka Smokey from Smokey and the Bandit) would threaten to send Alice to the moon! Art Carney (not Garfunkel) was his goofy sidekick Ed. I know you don't care though.

@GGMCUKAGAIN

3 жыл бұрын

Proto Fred and Barney.

50:40 You just “invented” Memento)

Can/Do women eat while in labor? 18+ hours is a long time. I doubt food is on their mind but I'm sure they get hungry. Why did you guys make me think about this?

@GGMCUKAGAIN

3 жыл бұрын

My partner ate ice cream and other easy to consume stuff. Both her labours were over 24 hours so she had to.

im part deaf and the dialogue in tenet is fine

You know what they do? Bring back Killmonger, he has a change of heart and everything or gets a compromise, becomes the new black panther.

James, James, James, you most certainly did NOT like this more than the movie Insomnia.

Turok the movie yesssss!!

And there is a movie where part of it goes forward, and the other part goes backward: _Memento_

It's over 16 minutes!

John david Washington should be the black panther

@jokarpinski22

3 жыл бұрын

or Yahya Abdul Mateen

@ferstnaimlaastnaim6732

3 жыл бұрын

@Cody Peters That's what I've been saying!

@alexanderford3831

3 жыл бұрын

@@jokarpinski22 He's already Black Manta, and in HBO's Watchmen series.

“Tenet” a.k.a “The Backwards Boiz”

This podcast is the best podcast of other podcasts

In regard to movies being released on Boxing Day it used to be that everything was closed on Christmas in Australia but they've since decided that people who care not for Christmas need some place to go so they opened the cinemas as well as most fast food places.

Oh man. New mutants next week and new castings that would get you hyped for dead franchises the following week? Amaaaazing!

What? What did they say?

I watched tenet twice and the second time through it was way more understandable.

@bobsandwich3431

3 жыл бұрын

If u watch it backwards everything is made clear and all dialogue is understandable

@johnreynolds7996

3 жыл бұрын

It should be watched split-screen, as both “normal” Protagonist (Kiev-to-Tallin) and “inverted” Protagonist (Tallin-to-Siberia, then “normal-battle”) are doing their stuff over the same time-period. Plus it makes the movie only half as long.

Petition to make weekly planet change their name to "podcast, it's a podcast!"

You have to have disliked the video in order to like it

I can’t find my keys Edit: nevermind I found them

@GGMCUKAGAIN

3 жыл бұрын

This comment had a better arc than Bruce Wayne in BvS.

@bananarama_1702

3 жыл бұрын

@@GGMCUKAGAIN Not possible.

Please review the golden girls

Mr. Sunday Movies? More like Mr. Monday movies

Bring back eerie Indiana

Westworld

Turok isn't Valiant. It's just like Solar or Magnus Robot Fighter isn't Valiant either. Turok was a Dell comics thing and the other two were gold key comics characters. just saying

@brandondavis3431

3 жыл бұрын

I’m more familiar with the Valiant comics interpretation of Turok from the 90’s.

Thank you thank you thank you for going into Nolan's sound design. His incessant need to spew exposition through masks & mumblers seems to be getting worse with each film. I consider Bane "orator par excellence" compared to the characters in Tenet. About halfway through the film I just gave up trying to comprehend what everyone was saying & watched it like an extended music video by Hans Zimmer. And the science in this film was "sheet". After patting himself on the back about how true the science in Interstellar was, Nolan just went off the deep end in Tenet, breaking every law of thermodynamics he could. Totally underwhelming & unnecessarily complicated film.

Audience engagement activate! HAIL SATAN