The difference is that Jonas didn't clone Rusty out of love and guilt, but only because having his son die in an adventure would have been a big pr blow to his own image.

@juliandavidhoffer2022

2 жыл бұрын

You don’t know that. If that’s true Jonas wouldn’t have ever bothered saving Rusty. Wouldn’t have been involved in raising him in any way. Just because he was a bad person doesn’t mean he didn’t have redeeming qualities. Even Hitler believed in animal rights to the point he wouldn’t eat meat and outlawed smoking. People are three dimensional there is never “just bad” or “just good”

@Ray_D_Tutto

2 жыл бұрын

Jonas did love Rusty in his own narcissistic way. Why bother keeping in touch with him when he went to college.

@DreadBirate

Жыл бұрын

@@juliandavidhoffer2022 i think that Jonas loved Rusty the way you love a possession, if you can you're gonna try and save it from being destroyed, but you can always buy a new one if you have to

@juliandavidhoffer2022

Жыл бұрын

@@DreadBirate yeah. It’s more complex than just “he didn’t care because he’s a bad persons that did bad things” that’s all I’m trying to get across.

@tbone9474

Жыл бұрын

@@juliandavidhoffer2022 no then the Rusty Venture show would've stopped

an accurate description of gum

@MrClickity

5 жыл бұрын

Next time I offer someone gum, I have to use that line.

@tactknightgaming2066

4 жыл бұрын

Gum was used as a hunger suppressant for long trips.

“Your robot friend is beautiful.” Idk but I love that so much, it makes me so happy for him

@slotzoffuntrue

2 жыл бұрын

It warms the cold depths of my heart

@nickbooze9766

7 ай бұрын

It's wild how touching that line is lol

They don't directly tell you Dr. Venture was cloned. The robot thinks Dean is Dr. Venture, and let's out he was cloned.

@SavageRush012

4 жыл бұрын

Going off what we know about Jonas Sr, I'm not surprised in the least that he was negligent to the point his own child died or was killed and needed to be cloned.

@doomedgundam6684

4 жыл бұрын

What's funny is he's still correct. Dean is a clone.

@22espec

4 жыл бұрын

I'm really guessing here, but I think that robot is partially a clone of Jonas Venture.

@Abdega

3 жыл бұрын

@@SavageRush012 Wait… wouldn’t that mean Jonas Jr was cloned each time too?

@AngryGerbils

3 жыл бұрын

@Abdega Or was Jonas Jr. a side effect of being cloned? D-19 proves that it's far from a perfect process. Something like a Siamese twin would definitely be possible, and twins can absorb each other.

"Made by great men compelled by love and guilt." If he thought Dean was Rusty, then of all things what DID Jonas Venture feel guilty about?

@avery9076

5 жыл бұрын

Uhm... Rusty dying?

@absoluteshambles6905

5 жыл бұрын

It's kinda explained over the entire show that Jonas was actually a massive arrogant dickhead that blackmailed other people and did almost everything for self gain. So uhh, probably plenty of things.

@landonletterman831

5 жыл бұрын

Jonas Sr seems too high on his own farts to feel guilty about anything he's done. If anything he'd felt guilty that his son was more interested in being: A kid, a teenager, and a college student than he ever was in being a super scientist like his father. Makes sense that he, when presented with the opportunity to clone his son, would try to genetically make Rusty "less whiner," and "more winner," just like dear old dad, only to wind up putting a little half clone of himself inside the unsuspecting Rusty Venture.

@landonletterman831

5 жыл бұрын

@@absoluteshambles6905 lol, read above ^

@juliandavidhoffer2022

4 жыл бұрын

Landon Letterman naw man, we’ve never seen anything about Jonas being alone. It’s possible that when he was alone he would face himself with the atrocities he committed, but he would push them out of his mind with his work and adventures. We’ve never seen anything from Jonas’s perspective other than him being in the Problem light and naturally he would be desperate to get out of it. I’m not saying he wasn’t a piece of shit but it’s fully possible he knew in his subconscious that he was he just wouldn’t admit it out loud.

I love that Billy gets treated poorly even by the robot that always gets treated poorly.

@FractalPrism.

3 жыл бұрын

when you're regularly kicked down you continue the habit.

Wow. How is it that this show, which started as just a spoof of Johnny Quest and those classic shows became so complex with characters that you can't help but get emotionally invested in, who themselves are much more complex then they first appear to be.

@juliandavidhoffer2022

4 жыл бұрын

Shadow Watcher passion

@skyrogue1977

4 жыл бұрын

Shadow Watcher because they cared about what they were doing.

@alexanderneish4663

4 жыл бұрын

They gave it more than one season. It's so rare that shows of this magnitude are able to some so far without insane merchandising. It's honestly fantastic that Adult Swim gave these guys enough of a chance, and look how far they've come.

@juliandavidhoffer2022

4 жыл бұрын

Alexander Neish especially considering it isn’t if the same trash quality as most AS shows.

@funnelingspace9268

3 жыл бұрын

It sucks they cancelled it though

I think we've gotta give Dean some credit for deducing that since this second H.E.L.P.eR. thought he was Rusty that his father was also a clone. I know everyone gives Dean shit all the time for... Well... Being Dean, but I think we've gotta acknowledge that he's got a lot on the ball. Not many characters in this show would have the common sense to put two and two together like that. Really shows that Dean has the potential to come out of everything as a normal, functioning person.

@lucasbachmann

3 жыл бұрын

Except it doesn't prove Rusty was a clone. If Rusty had a backup clone and the robot thinks it is talking to one that doesn't prove his dad isn't the original. It just proves there was a cloning program which we knew Jonas had been working on in season 1 -just not specifically for Rusty.

@timearchitecture

3 жыл бұрын

He beat the shit out of durmat too

@ilovecody7514

3 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that Dean has also gone through some crazy character growth in the process to the point that despite still being at heart Dean he so much different from how he used to be.

@connormclernon26

2 жыл бұрын

@Ethan Good Season 7

@juliandavidhoffer2022

2 жыл бұрын

He won’t it’s the Venture curse.

14th chance in Dean's case but we get your point.

@asianblockguy

5 жыл бұрын

or more give or take

@ZappleZ

5 жыл бұрын

well, hes out of lives now.

@stevem7192

11 ай бұрын

This would be Dean #17 or #18.

@moldysshoe8639

4 ай бұрын

And the rusty in the show is the 23rd rusty.

If only our technology would progress to the point we could make our mouths minty AND provide nutrients simultaneously...

@san-tbandit1807

5 жыл бұрын

That’s called toothpaste

@san-tbandit1807

5 жыл бұрын

Hakageryuu never said you had to eat toothpaste to get nutrients, toothpaste gives your teeth fluoride, strengthening and making them resistant to decay, of course considering you thought I meant eat makes me believe you don’t bother brushing up on what you brush with everyday

@Archone666

5 жыл бұрын

Try a mint raita. www.indianhealthyrecipes.com/mint-raita-recipe/

@adrock_sokolov6570

5 жыл бұрын

@Hakageryuu ...try hard wannabe😒

@landonletterman831

5 жыл бұрын

Your talking *CRAZY!* *STOP* the crazy talk! ...... the world is not ready ..............

It does make sense that Rusty would have died as often as the boys, or more, back in his adventuring days. I wouldn't be surprised if Action Man accidentally had a loaded gun on one of those "Not today Rusty" days. Just absolutely blowing his head off point blank

@ultramagnushurts

2 жыл бұрын

From what I remember, Rusty has been cloned once or twice as a child.

@cesarvictoriano8072

Жыл бұрын

Came to my mind too.

@joshuamercer7572

Жыл бұрын

“Oh shit….Jonas! It finally happened! …guess it really WAS today, Rusty…”

@tenkenroo

Жыл бұрын

Rodney killed a baby once

@shoopoop21

Жыл бұрын

It was Kano. Think about who could have done it on accident. Kano could have accidentally killed him the way Brock almost kills Hank several times by reflex. Considering Jonas never seemed to give a shit, it would have to be something big to merit him taking his vow. Kano probably tried to explain the situation, and Jonas says, "Not another word," and Kano takes it seriously.

Seeing this again. I'm expecting this Helper to come back again and be revealed as to whom was used to help make him organic. Knowing the franchise, this is likely going to be touched upon at some point.

@dd11111

4 жыл бұрын

And knowing this franchise, we'll all be dead before they do.

@vguyver2

3 жыл бұрын

@@dd11111 Seems your prediction was accurate.

@defenstrator4660

11 ай бұрын

All is revealed in the movie.

If this show ever gets rebooted I hope they somehow give this fella a scene or two. his voice and character are so amazing

@Mortified42

Жыл бұрын

The voice actor is Taika Watiti. Normies know him as Korg from Thor Ragnarok.

original rusty venture was a death prone kid, so who knows how many times hes been killed and cloned, like father like son.

@niallharrington3636

Жыл бұрын

at least 22 as monarch is clone 22

Second chances are a good thing you know

My fan theory - Jonas built two learning beds because he knew he would have twin sons. Using early cloning techniques (like those used by real life by Nazi scientists) he was trying to clone a 'perfect human' (i.e. himself) by using an already fertilised egg, one that contained his DNA and donor a woman's. With some 'interference', this would make one perfect son (Jonas jr) and another with 'all the crap left over' (Rusty) i.e. the plot of the movie Twins. This would explain why Jonas Jr looked so much like him, had his genius ...etc, and why Jonas' legitimate children were both more similar (Rusty and the Monarch).

This helper is really made up of what was left of the hunch back Dean.

@OrionSlaveGirlUWU

5 жыл бұрын

That's an interesting theory.

@fabricadeplayas9979

5 жыл бұрын

But that's just a theory

@ShadowWolfRising

5 жыл бұрын

@@fabricadeplayas9979 A FILM THEORY!

@PsicoPrime

5 жыл бұрын

This has been around for enough time to confuse dean for a young rusty, i doubt that

@ThatPazuzu

5 жыл бұрын

@@sketchyjeff2054 Vendata lost his memory when he became a robot so it could happen again

I know this is somewhat of a Kiwi accent, but the first time I saw this episode I could've sworn it was Taika Waititi voicing this HELPER.

@chakinabox

2 жыл бұрын

I know right? HELPER and a number of characters Taika Waititi has played have very similar speech patterns! (Though mostly I"m thinking of Korg)

@whatzittooya9012

2 жыл бұрын

The voice actor, Rhys Darby, is a New Zealander who was in What We Do in the Shadows along with Taika Waititi.

@willd.4808

2 жыл бұрын

@@whatzittooya9012 I thought it might be Rhys Darby!

Really wish Blue HELPeR and Red HELPeR had interacted, would've been interesting to hear them share stories

I'm half convinced that this "helper" and "Ben" are actually the master. He's just taking on different forms to guide/mess with Dean

Damn I've got to check this show out.

yup that deffently Coran voice from voltron

The stick of gum line kills me.

Motivated by guilt.... that raises even more questions.

Wait... Coran?!

@bdpickett

5 жыл бұрын

No mistaking that voice.

@Redstar2613

5 жыл бұрын

Who?

@bdpickett

5 жыл бұрын

@@Redstar2613 Voltron: legendary defender

@ShadowWolfRising

5 жыл бұрын

Yes

@SgtKaneGunlock

2 жыл бұрын

@@bdpickett Rhys Darby, talented actor and voice actor from New Zealand usually works clean often cast in stuff by Taika Watiti

Makes me wonder if there is a original set of the boys left with the mother and grew up normal…

@juliandavidhoffer2022

2 жыл бұрын

No

@AnnitaBowman

Жыл бұрын

That's a theory I've been giving some thought to lately. It would explain how their mom could just walk away Either that, or she left right after the original Hank and Dean died

@minoxiothethird

Жыл бұрын

dermott

@amuroray88

Жыл бұрын

One can only hope. Though it would be funny if her kids ended up like Jonas, perpetuating the cycle

Kinda sucks that Triana left because the Master told her that Dean's babies would be messed up when clearly Rusty's were fine, biologically speaking.

@amuroray88

Жыл бұрын

Dean is Rusty 2.0. He would be a terrible father and an even worse husband. The only advantages he has over Rusty are his hair and the fact Rusty isn't a completely terrible father (especially once his clone insurance ran out)

@trustmeits610pm2

3 ай бұрын

@@amuroray88 You don't know that for sure. Have a little faith in Dean. He grew a lot.

This proves that Jonas care for Rusty a little bit since he's also a clone

The watches really got an update xD

Very few of them are given.

I love Kiwi helper.

I think Dean is more like a 15th chance at this point

Maybe because he thought Dean was a clone of Rusty, he thinks Rusty feels guilty for his life that he feels fucked him over? Either way, Dean here is more of a 15th chance, considering how many times both he and Hank died

The sound track is cool,

Everyone is clones

so hey is the combination of tech and organics wel if the organic part are original rusty venture i wouldnt be suprised

Y'know I think he could have been lying. He never explicitly says rusty is a clone, he just confirms what dean says. Rusty could be a cyborg or something

Jonas was the one who started the clone program, and I could see Rusty having to be cloned at least once, and it might help explain some of Rusty's trauma, but this has me wondering. Did Jonas start the program because of Blue Morpho's death and failed revival as a cyborg, or was it already in the works? If it was already running, did he choose to make Venturion instead of a clone because it would be easy to control and program him?

The revelation that Rusty is a clone is cool and all, but it opens up a big plot hole. If he's a clone, then what's up with his absorbed brother Jonas Jr.? That kind of oddity would only happen if Rusty was born normally.

@gunner2225

4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps he was scanned and then created as an exact copy of his last scan, instead of having a bunch of clones growing in a lab the whole time, something like the PROBLEM machine with adequate resources. Then the Jonas Jr. growth would be included in the scan and recreated by the machine.

@englishmuffein

3 жыл бұрын

In an earlier episode when Dean first visits the house and talks to Ben, he mentions something about absorbed twins being a possible side effect of the cloning process (although Dean did not have any signs of one).

Taika Waititi, I love you.

I keep expecting this helper to start talking about Doug and revolutions....

YEP GUM!

Well, dean is more like an 18th chance

Am I the only one who hears Murray Hewitt before anything else?

I feel like that's Ringo. The organics inside Assister(My name for him), is Ringo's organics.

I ship helper and helper 2.

When is season 7 coming to Hulu

1:04 love and guilt and the bot thought dean was rusty. Does that mean jonas venture loved rusty and regretted his death?

Rhys Darby

@jhonviel7381

3 жыл бұрын

the original murray

huh, maybe Jonas had some humanity at one point that I’ve gotta see

So that bot was the brain of teh original dean or clone like the one that survived?

In the case of Jonas Sr., I think its safe to say that rather than love or guilt, he wanted the world to see him as a responsible hero. Letting peoplr your 8 year old son be eaten alive by alligators probably would have tarnished that image a bit. Basically, F Jonas Venture Sr. And everything he stood for.

Would you like a stick of gum to make your mouth minty without providing any nutrients?

Is that Coran, from Voltron?

@FoxPhantom21

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe Coran got stuck as part robot somewhere once the journey of Voltron ended.

I have a theory that Rusty is a clone, but only because Jonas wanted a child but was shooting blanks, where Dean and Hank were clones, but more like ways to cover-up the fact that Rusty and Brock got the kids killed several times.

@pinoyguy75

3 жыл бұрын

That would also explain Jonas Jr. residing with him for all his life as well

@juliandavidhoffer2022

2 жыл бұрын

He wasn’t shooting blanks. He is the Monarchs father.

@moldysshoe8639

4 ай бұрын

​@@juliandavidhoffer2022, Yesn't.

I know that voice of the red robot....Isnt that the same voice actor for Korg in Avengers?

Rusty is a clone, sure, but how does that explain Jonas Venture Jr? Maybe Dr Venture was disappointed at his son's natural intellect, and attempted to increase this intellect through the various test tubes iterations Rusty went through. Maybe JJ wasn't even meant to grow up inside Rusty, maybe he was meant to BE rusty after some god awful venture experiments. Who knows he could've been Dr. Venture's actual clone he wanted after failing so many times with his own son.

@juliandavidhoffer2022

2 жыл бұрын

Most likely JJ is a clone of Jonas that was accidentally put inside of the same vat as a clone of Rusty and Rusty’s embryo absorbed it.

Would any of you fine gentlemen care to purchase a doughnut holer?

Wait, if this Helper believes Dean is Rusty, then this was the greatest Venture Bros reveal of all time. Rusty isn't even the original Rusty Venture, he's a clone. Now it makes sense why Jonas was such a giant dickwad, he not only lost his wife, he lost his son as well. And the clone he made to fill the void was turned I to his emotional punching bag while he systematically ruined the lives of all the people that gave a damn about him...why was this show cancelled again?

@CapnShades

2 жыл бұрын

This stuff was way too high concept to go on the same channel as ATHF (no offense to either). Unfortunately, there's not really anywhere else for an adult cartoon that takes itself this seriously. At least, not in America anyway.

@juliandavidhoffer2022

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not though. Rusty being a clone was very likely since we found out about the concept. We just never see him die because Brock is around.

@Lolbama2012

Жыл бұрын

Because Time Warner hates episodic shows since they can't just throw on reruns out of order. The same reason Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Gumball, etc got pushed to finish. They started getting episodic and that messes with the one thing the network cares about the most. Syndication. That's why shows like ATHF refuse to die. They're syndication wet dreams. There's no plot.

IG-88 Precursor

So here's the million dollar question; If Helper model 2 was built using organic parts, where did those parts come from? Who was the human who's organs was incorporated into this cyborg? The Monarch's mom? Hank & Dean's mom? Jass?

@Slicer89

3 жыл бұрын

It was probably a situation like Ven-Data aka a close friend died but after seeing what Dr. Venture did to him, Ben decided to be more humane and rebuilt him in a less traumatic way.

@BloodyBraces

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe Rusty split that orphan with Ben

Hes a cyborg

I don't remember this episode. Which season is this from?

that robot is so suspicious he is saying hey is part organic and hey think dean is rusty and a clone it wouldnt suprise me if the robots organic part where origenal rusty

So..... that robot is partially a clone of Jonas Venture?

I think the Monarch may be a clone of Rusty given to the Blue Morpho as a son

@hollowdonte

5 жыл бұрын

No doctor venture fucked his wife

@NeverDauntedRadioNetwork

5 жыл бұрын

hollow__dante both things can be true and probably are.

@1Seanmb

5 жыл бұрын

@@NeverDauntedRadioNetwork More likely just the one. The entire point of these scenes in s7 is a sort of dispelling of the hero worship of Jonas Venture, adding that the Monarch is a clone doesn't add anything, it just makes it less special of a connection between Hank, Dean, and Rusty. The only reason for these scenes is to make the point that Jonas might have been a good "protagonist", but he was a terrible father, friend, and person in general.

@hashimhathaway1228

5 жыл бұрын

@@1Seanmb Which why both can probably be true. That's the magnificent layers of the show.

@omgidkwhatimdoing9626

5 жыл бұрын

I think rusty is a clone of the monarch that jonas made because he wanted his own son.

wait thats dean (im on the first season)

Everyone fascinates on the doctor Venture, at the end I want to know more about what are the Organics that he was blended with?

@joshuahaynes1026

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe parts of orphan, like how Rusty built the pleasure machine in season 1.

@sharonspears-mandeville2369

2 жыл бұрын

I think it was kinda like Kryten from Red Dwarf (In a way)- _Organic (Human brain)+H.e.L.P.E.R. Robot body (Mechanicial/robot body) and/or was (probably) raised and/or programmed to be like a young child/designed in a way to learn like as both a human AND a machine at the same time,while also (essentially) be a robot butler,in a way of sorts,though..hopefully you get the gist of it though,honestly..hopefully-so..?_

It begs the question, whose brain is inside that helper?

... is that Korg??

Piss off ghost!

Wait, so is Dean actually a clone of Rusty Venture?!

@cornparade6874

5 жыл бұрын

I think since the Helper thought he was actually Rusty, it implies Rusty is a clone.

@skyrogue1977

5 жыл бұрын

Kate Taylor so a clone of Jonas, or the Monarch?

@lollypop123452

5 жыл бұрын

CJusticeHappen21 no. He's a clone of himself, the first rusty venture who died. Rusty got put through what his sons where put through.

@cornparade6874

5 жыл бұрын

I mean like Dean said they could both be naturally born and just clones of themselves.

@ProtomanButCallMeBlues

5 жыл бұрын

As it's revealed that Jonas in fact knew, and counted on the cloning project, it seems to be hinting that Rusty may be, or is a clone.

Who is Ben? They said it a few times

@dd11111

4 жыл бұрын

the old guy dean meets in the Halloween episode when he first learns....THE TRUTH! (que ominous thunder and lightning.)

@gunner2225

4 жыл бұрын

@@dd11111 thanks, haven't watched that yet

Who the heck is Ben? I’ve typed it into google multiple time and have yet to find him.

@stevesmith1383

3 жыл бұрын

...are you bad at using search engines? Lol no seriously, I know who Ben is so I just went to google and typed this "venture bros wiki ben" and boom

@atom_bomb_77

3 жыл бұрын

Steve Smith, okay, sorry.

@stevesmith1383

3 жыл бұрын

Atom_Bomb_ 77 nothing to apologize over. I just found it odd you can’t find him with google. That being said he showed up in a special

He thinks dean is rusty. Rusty was a clone????

Hear me out. Dean is a clone of rusty . theres probably way more i need to rewatch the show for but a line the master said to triana allways bugged me somthing along the lines of generations of cloning ruining his genetics (to the point where his and trianas baby would have a foot for a head) why would a presumably direct clone of dean have that much genitic Rot (ik this is like dean 15 but all the clones were presumably from base dean ) Since we know rusty is a clone if dean was sired legitimately he would likely have LESS rot then rusty . im gona throw out an assumtion that jonas may have cloned rusty out of sucessive clones thus basicly ruining his son geniticly then trying to fix his mistake by implantng a partial clone of him in the final rusty thus creating JJ

@rhettjackson1321

Жыл бұрын

It's probably that The Master lied to her about Dean being so genetically degraded, he wanted her to become a new apprentice since even untrained she was skilled enough to enter the realm. He was lying to her to get her to give up on Dean and follow him, something that her father was trying to prevent from happening.

I just want to know who the fuck Ben is. Where did he come from what is his story?

@bluescluessuperagent

3 жыл бұрын

you didn't watch one of the specials. there are a few Venture Bros special. Ben showed up in one. It's how Dean learns he is a clone. Ben is a scientist that helped Jonas perfect his cloning technique He lives on the Venture compound out by a field where they bury all the dead bodies. Rusty told his son the place is off limits.

@Gunplabro

3 жыл бұрын

@@bluescluessuperagent yes but where did Ben come from. You would think someone so close to Jonas would have a bigger impact on the story but we barely learn anything about him.

@MrAer85

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gunplabro Probably from the boys brigade, anyone related to Jonas Sr was from the boys brigade.

@bluescluessuperagent

3 жыл бұрын

@rudy2fat so you an ass all of the day or only certain hours?

and they canceled the show

Holy shit. I know this is late. And the series is cancelled until we get the movie. But we never hear any mention of Jonas' wife. Ever. Not by Rusty, not by Jonas or Team Venture or any of the villains or axillery characters or in flashbacks. The boys do have a mom. That's why they remember and ask about one. But Rusty isn't a Rusty clone. Rusty is the only (known) surviving clone of Jonas Venture Sr. Or at the very least his most successful attempt at playing god, a living test tube baby with DNA all of his own, a clone before the clones. Tell me I'm crazy! It explains why Dr. Venture is so put together so perfectly poorly. Jonas couldn't have the lad showing him up, but he needed to him to be successful in his own way. Maybe needed a boy of his own to show up that damn Benson Quest, always getting funding because of that damn TV Show. Lol

Coran coran the beautiful man!

Woah, Who else caught that, Rusty's a clone.... HOW could this clone of rusry survive so long and the original rusty died, I really want to know how, And when, My guess same time his dad died, In the explosion incident with Baren Underbite....

@dd11111

4 жыл бұрын

probably because rusty was also cloned as a child. After all Jonas was dragging him all over the world and the boy was constantly kidnapped. It was only a matter of time before Jonas's luck ran out.

Helper model 2 Is russel from half life alyx

I... don't remember this scene.

So is Hank a clone of Brock Sampson or what?