DREAM SETUP!!

Nice overview! Thanks for sharing.

I'll love to learn more about this.

“Let’s see that in action” *5 dropouts in 10 seconds*

@Churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah this had more to do with the way we recorded the audio externally from the board. It was a bad cable.

@AudioReplica2023

4 жыл бұрын

🤣

This seems like a great solution for the Studio As well..

I am definitely considering buying this for me to use personally.

Thanks for this tutorial. Which touch screen are you using to control the Mac Mini?

What size and brand of touch monitors do you recommend? Do you use a additional iem and/or broadcast set-ups or does this handle all of that for you? Great video!

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

I'm using Dell P2418HT 24" screens. I currently use an X32 rack for IEMs, but it sounds like Waves is coming out with an iPhone/Android app to control aux mixes soon (AKA maybe before 2020). I just send a FOH board mix + ambient mics + an sm57 at FOH (time-delayed) for our broadcast mix. Thanks!

I love this topic. Looking into upgrading a system that already has a networked building. I feel like this would be the best option to be future friendly for expansion. From my understanding would be simple to set up a second console in another room for mixing livestream. Do you know if you’d need a second server/cpu to run a second console?

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

I believe you would, but depending on how much processing power you need, channels you use, and how far broadcast mix is from main board) you may be able to get away with double-patching the channels and running it all on one extreme server and powerful CPU - though a secondary one would be the safer route in my opinion. Definitely get in touch with a Waves rep or ask the Waves LV1 Mixer facebook group - really helpful resources.

It would be very valuable if you could show your system as a diagram and maybe a shopping list which shows all the components that you need to purchase in order to set-up an LV1! Thank you

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

I can work on a diagram - there is a shopping list already though! You'll find it in our Worship Ministry Toolkit (linked in the description)

2:29 I'm pretty sure it's X32 control application. Do they offer SoundGrid extension card too? Or it's something unrelated?

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

It's connected to an X32 Rack for our IEMs - the X32 has a SoundGrid card in it. The X32 actually acts as additional I/O as well as an unattended system.

The real question is can you provide a tracklist for the background music? I really need know one of the songs.

sorry what kind of compute do you use for connect 4 displays ?? thanks

What do you use for IEMs on stage? I haven't been able to find options for IEMs that work with the LV1.

@jthunderbass1

4 жыл бұрын

All IEM systems work will all consoles. You need to elaborate.

Would love to hear your initial thoughts on the Behringer Wing!

@redeyes1432

3 жыл бұрын

from what i have heard don't waste your time bud

You can edit the channel color. That was false info and since this was the only complaint you had on the system, you think like me, this is an awesome mixer!

Do you have to use more then 1 touch screen? can you move about the room with an IPad ( for obvious reasons)? and i'm assuming you have to use a windows machine to host it..............

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

You can just use one screen. Some people have found workarounds such as teamviewer, but there's supposed to be a mobile device application released soon. It has to run on a windows machine

what computer do you use for LV1 host computer ?

Has anyone had experience with the phone/Ipad app "MyMono"? Its listed on their website as "Coming Soon" however I found it on the app store and was able to download and use it. I don't have an LV1 yet so haven't been able to see if it connects, but we are considering going with the LV1 so wanted to see if anyone else is using the app for monitor control?

I checked and downloaded the Worship toolbox but there is no shopping list for this type of a system. Only descriptions. Is there something more specific? In other words: instead of saying: “Computer to run waves software” can it be “computer(with recommended OS and specs)” maybe even the computer you are using. How about recommended Touch Screen displays. Dante input box recommendations. Right now it’s fairly vague for us smaller churches. Thanks for the help!

How are the Dell Touchscreens holding up, as they use a plastic screen instead of glass?

How are you multitrack recording to the mac mini from the lv1 system? Is there an app like dante virtual soundcard for waves soundgrid?

@tintalma

4 жыл бұрын

yes, waves soundgrid driver, it´s so useful.

Thank you for the nice tour into your setup. For sure this is a system, which is stare of the art and very comfortable to use. It seems very high-tech and flexible. The infrastructure and network connectivity is awesome, like in the dante universe. The workflow with the plugins is very intuitive in this waves system. But there are some key elements, which I don't like at all. Having no physical knobs, buttons or faders is an absolute no go for me. I like to feel what I'm doing and not staring at the screens all the time. The visual focus should be at the stage, not at the displays. For me it's about feeling the music and the changes I have to do, not searching for the right position on a touch screen. In most digital mixing consoles the flexible and customisable fader assignment is also given, like demonstrated here. If I think about Yamaha QL Series or the Allen&Heath SQ Series, I whould prefer a "real" desk 100%.

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

These work great with a Behringer x-touch for physical knobs and faders - we've found that we don't miss the physical faders or knobs though. Also, with plug-ins like Bass Rider, Vocal Rider, multi-band compression, etc it's not necessary to keep fingers on faders or knobs the whole time.

It is essentially a S.A.C. ( Software Audio Console ) system which is the name of the software that was created in the early 2000's and still available today. They sold a turnkey system not unlike this one and now just focus on the software only. The major difference here is that Waves offers proprietary hardware that makes interfacing and running the software more robust and powerful. The actual S.A.C software costs $500 for the 32 bit system and can run any VST, or DirectX plug-ins and can utilize Dante or Madi system for channel inputs and outputs. The Waves system, in other words, is not breaking new ground. Where it is a winner is likely the ease of system setup and reliability since the software and servers are dedicated proprietary machines.

@tsOnMedia

4 жыл бұрын

I built a SAC system years ago for my part-time, small soundco. Ran ProMix 01 & BCF2000 for FOH & side stage control surfaces. SAC was a great sounding rig even with my aging PCI based MOTU boxes. It was very versatile for it's time. But...it wasn't the most stable system. If one connection dropped, the whole system would lock up and need a restart at the main console. Running FOH with Wifi was very risky because of that issue. The guy whole coded the program was/is stubborn or completely out of touch with what was happening in the industry. He refused to upgrade or add any elements that customers were asking for. I just noticed he hasn't even updated the website in years! I abandoned that SAC rig after a few years and bought into the Behringer world with an X-32 and an XR18. If I were still out mixing FOH, I sure would have my eyes on the new Behringer Wing.

"you'll need physical IO.." ah, that's a dmx splitter. hah

@wade_jpeg

4 жыл бұрын

Josh Mulder I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed that.

@Churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

Good catch. lol

@brikstik3442

4 жыл бұрын

Lol what the heck why

@WingRaidCoach

4 жыл бұрын

I'm going to go with maybe poorly placed B-roll for that... ?

What servers did you use?

Thank you for showing some details on the system. In my church we're currently researching the next step after the X32 and of course all options are open. We do not own a venue though and channel capacity and flexibility are very important plus we don't want to upgrade every year but keep the system and expand it basically forever for multiple locations, midweek events in different locations.. through the last years we've been in more than 70 different venues. I don't really understand why you think the virtual soundcheck is the best feature, as even the X32 has the same feature just hidden in the routing menu (so you can't accidentaly push it) Questions: - Do you think the system is realistically mobile? I'm concerned about the handyness and durability. And reliability is so important! - What do you think about stuttering faders? I've been mixing on Ipads before and I didn't like these jumps of the faders as you move them that I also saw in this video. - It's not much cheaper than a desk, is it? Finances are a big factor in desk decisions. Else I'd pick Digico anytime. Stageboxes are a big part of the overall cost and the preamps dictate a lot of the quality.. so maybe in the end the system isn't even cheaper? - What are you using the stream deck for? Love that thing! Our Video operator is using it and I was thinking of getting it for triggereing playlists etc. in Qlab

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

- I believe it's really mobile. A lot of touring engineers use this *because* it's so light and small. A solid touring case would help with that though. - I'm not sure the faders actually stutter, at what point in the video did you see that? - it's about the same price as an SD9, but more channels and plug-in capabilities. - I'm using the stream deck for controlling the recording/playback/spotify computer, it's not currently connected to the LV1

@drewkeith8402

4 жыл бұрын

This only answers your first question, but absolutely. This company has been building kits around the LV1 for a while now. www.bnypro.com/lvfly

@berlingenieur

4 жыл бұрын

@@adam_churchfront Thanks for your answer! - fair enough, in the end you can also put computer screens in a rigid case - I saw the faders in 3:19

As much as I’d like to be on board with this, I feel like I’d mis-click somewhere if my whole console were a touchscreen. I’ll stick to my hybrid option where the frequented functions (faders, mutes, etc...) are on a physical controller for now. I blame my fat fingers. :P

@CraigDouglasproducer

4 жыл бұрын

You can add physical faders. The xtouch works flawless with it

@jthunderbass1

4 жыл бұрын

@@CraigDouglasproducer I use X-Touch and also a BCF2000. I usually just do screen only. I just mixed the live stream this morning and it was really smooth.

What is the Brand of your monitor?

What's on the Stream Deck?

What are you using the stream deck for?

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

The stream deck opens a new Tracks Live session, has record & stop button, record button for X32 rack (rack is on stage - records backup sermon audio on a flash drive) as well as some web pages (PCO, our tech ministry website). It's not hooked up to the LV1 but could be.

Which monitors are those?

My church will be building soon and we will be upgrading our audio as well. What is the estimated cost of this setup including the monitors and Mac Mini?

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

This one would be around 9k, we went all out and got the 64 channel version, extreme server, 4 touch screens, etc. It could be effectively done for less.

@abMusic76

4 жыл бұрын

count approximatly 10k euros

@jamesparish7234

4 жыл бұрын

@@adam_churchfront Hey Adam...We are redesigning our system and I want to got Waves LV1 from a 32 x32....do you have a itemmized breakdown of the equipment...plus I heard their is an backup server...and we want to have same channels for our editing room (streaming- live).?

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesparish7234 check out the link in the description - there's a spreadsheet with links in there

what monitor (IEM) system are you using?

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

I'm using an X32 for mixing IEMs, though supposedly in December a native Waves monitoring app is coming out!

What kind of Round Trip Latency (or latency in general) are you seeing from your input thru to FOH speakers with out any plugins. I am able to get 4ms with a USB connection RTL with my StudioLive mixer. Not great, but workable for "Zero" latency plugins. Also, I am guessing you are locked into Waves only?

@abMusic76

4 жыл бұрын

I measured less than a ms with LV1 from stagebox to LR output. Yes, waves only, but you can use LiveProfessor with soundgrid network to run other plugins externally

Can you list individually all the parts in this setup? For purchasing help?

@gearhead00001

2 жыл бұрын

Yes please do...

hay where did you get the touch drivers for the mac ???

@davidgeiger626

Жыл бұрын

The interface software is Windows based.

I see the SteamDeck on the right of the monitors. How do you use that in your setup?

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

That's not connected to the LV1, though it could be. It's for the Mac Mini to run spotify, recording control of Tracks Live, recording control of backup recording, and quick links to the stage plots, PCO live, etc.

@devonrdlee

4 жыл бұрын

Do you use Companion to unlock more functionality on the StreamDeck? I recently added one to our setup and I'm looking for ways to utilize it more. I'd love to get it to control our dmx lights through lightKey and Spotify as well.

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

@@devonrdlee I do use Companion - Last I checked there's only deep control of Spotify when using a PC, but I created my own hotkeys for play/pause of spotify, and mapped those hotkeys to streamdeck on my mac mini.

This is like Raven

What are you guys using for in ears?

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

We have an X32 rack in the stage rack - it gives us mobile device control as well as separate EQ & compression for in-ears. We have 1 stereo and 2 wireless Shure units, rest are wired mono.

@brandoncrenshaw

4 жыл бұрын

Are you also using that for your front of house?

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

@@brandoncrenshaw Yes, it also serves as an additional I/O device

Having Waves native in your mixer is awesome. But the cost of this system is insane. For that kind of money, I don't want the human interface to be a cheap Dell monitor. The LV1 seems very complex, with way too many points of failure. You seem to like it, so I guess I shouldn't dump on it too much since I haven't mixed on one before. I noticed that you had the Behringer X32 software running on the mac. Do you use that for monitors?

@chadwilson4265

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah honesty a mid grade console with a waves card is much easier and has about 100 less fail points.

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

It was cheaper than other options we were considering, actually. If you're ever near Chicago, you can come check it out in person! X32 edit is for monitors, yes. It's also extra I/O and serves as an unattended system for smaller events.

@alanbam5590

4 жыл бұрын

Its cheap

Do you know how much roughly a full setup like this cost?

@kitmateyawa7829

4 жыл бұрын

32 channel $6,835 without the touch screens which cost $299 for Dell P2418HT 24"

Does this system give you anything other than purely mixing and a networked audio/control system? What does it give you over say an M32 with a Dante card for networking. Oh, other than plugins, I guess. But really, what is the benefit you get for that much more money? I've struggled with this for a long time, working in a church with a very small tech budget. How do you justify to your congregation spending this amount of money on a mixer? I'm honestly not asking this to be a troll. This is something I've always wondered about.

@Tovin

4 жыл бұрын

I think that Biblically, God's people were called to get the best of everything they could for God, and not to skimp on anything. For someone who can tell the difference with and without plugins, that extra bit of excellence in worship is in itself worship. When we're trying to bring our absolute best to God, every detail does matter. Excellent question though! Something I've dealt with a lot in my own ministry!

@davidn.7767

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tovin I agree to get the best you can for God, but there is a point of diminishing returns. I have worked in small and large churches and systems. Some churches on a budget may have a system necessary for a larger church and that's great for future growth. But tech changes so fast that getting the best you can afford is not always best practice especially if the sound is marginally better. It's kind of like computers or a cellphone. You may get 5G phones but it's not really a provided service. So in most places, you can't access it. But if you wait til service or the resulting performance is the dramatic difference, you'll get the phone or church system that's still advanced tech and that your church services can benefit from. Another way to look at it is, there are a lot of luxury cars with the same feature set but at different price points. You don't have to be cheap but you can Pray for guidance and choose wisely. Excellence can also be found in your decision-making process.

@carltontriplett4947

4 жыл бұрын

I like to think of it this way: there's not a system on the market that sounds better than this system. You get could 64 channels of IO at 96K for less than $10K. With a system that sounds this good, you'd spend far more. Here's the key though: the mixer is software based, so you never have to worry about replacing the "board" when it stops working. Just reinstall the software, or purchase one of the peripherals that may fail (ie, switch, host computer, cable, server).

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

@@carltontriplett4947 has hit most of the points. Before I even came on staff, it was expected that a new soundboard would be purchased to replace the x32 - in my research, this was the most cost-effective option for the features we wanted.

@davidn.7767

4 жыл бұрын

@@adam_churchfront Sounds good. Your move was not a marginal upgrade in sound. Its a huge jump coming from a Behringer x32. There are some churches that may like this setup but may also be looking at a DLive or Digico with 64 IO and 96k or even the lesser Allen and Heath SQ 7 that has the same IO at 96k. With Dlive purchased plugins or even waves plugins I'm not sure that Waves Lv1 is a huge vertical jump in quality. But I'd buy it if it is cost-effective and within budget for a church.

wow, free waves account after purchasing for 100000 bucks !

That chest hair tho… 😂

i'll stick with my yamaha TF5 board. physical faders are to nice in my opinion. but its crazy to see whats coming out these days

@UncleWalter1

4 жыл бұрын

You can use physical faders with these. Like the Tactus surface, the Icon Platform X or really any MIDI fader controller. You can even case it all up and integrate it if you want.

does anyone know if this will work with a behringer stage box?

@mrdrummer1818

4 жыл бұрын

or can I run an expansion card into my x32 and use the stage box as the I/O

@adamwberanek

4 жыл бұрын

That’s what I do - use x32 rack as I/O

Price ???

I see way too many points of failure for many churches. You could realistically buy 2 x32s and 2 laptops for a little over half the cost of this rig and have a backup. I mean, monitors fail all the time and if you lose one piece of the network, all is down. The rig is awesome, but it just seems dangerous to rely on for a week in week out application at this point. I do think this will be the future though. (Giant 50”-60” Touch screen with a laptop to run plug ins and an io system)

jake u have a cost in general for this set up

@tintalma

4 жыл бұрын

the cost depends of your own necessities and setup

X32-Edit at 2:28?

@aaronmcqueen156

4 жыл бұрын

So you're using an X32 as the interface with Soundgrid cards? Gain adjustments have to happen on the X32?

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, x32 rack with a WSG card for IEM mixing and inputs for wireless microphones

Name of your church

Just remember, plugins add latency, which can throw off a PA that is time-aligned. Milliseconds matter in more than a Left/Right setup.

@abMusic76

4 жыл бұрын

False. The Latency inducted by plugins is non-dependant of frequency. Meaning that if the plugins add 2ms of delay, the entire audio feed will be delayed, and will not impact the PA alignment. And by the way, the latency inducted in LV1 is smaller than most of digital mixers

@josiahblanton8291

4 жыл бұрын

abMusic76 Got the honor of tuning a Meyer system with Bob McCarthy and we noticed that if you have any plugin inserted on a send, even without it on, that it will have latency from the input to the output.

Ñame of the church?

inexperienced volunteer: a slave! LOL

All that investment and plug-ins can't get round the lead vocalist being out of tune, sadly...

@justinvarela4409

4 жыл бұрын

Alec Spence Their should be a plug-in for that. I’ve seen it on the same console

@adam_churchfront

4 жыл бұрын

You're half-right. we use Waves tune live, but it won't help people more than +/-50 cents out of tune. But more importantly, I do auditions and provide resources to improve on vocal skills if people aren't there yet. search our channel for the live pitch correction video.

@kitmateyawa7829

4 жыл бұрын

They're probably in the wrong ministry if they can't sing in pitch.

For the love of god just buy a real console