Great! Love how compact but powerful this solution is! And like you said - intuitive! Not super stressful for the volunteers! Thank you for the walkthrough of your setup!

Thanks a great deal. You're always a blessing to the body of Christ. Keep being great.

Wow. That has to be the ultimate setup. This video has been more useful to understand these products than any other video i have seen from WAVES themselves. Awesome walkthrough. Its not as difficult to understand as I thought it might be.

The mix from Grace was amazing..... It sounded like I was watching a concert

Nice information, thank you for sharing your setup, superb setup. 🧿

Love the look brother

I love it. I don’t have any I/O anymore, the companies that bring me in didn’t trust it. I still open the software from time to time and dream of using it again.

We're running this in both our environments (in-house and broadcast trailer) on MacMini M1's with zero issues. Great system.

@celilo

Жыл бұрын

How did you deal with the lack of multi-touch support on that platform?

HAHA! The way you throw CJ under the bus at 17:00, don´t know what to say 🤣 Happy for you that your mix is flawless 😎

Thank you for showing your setup. Looks pretty good. Do you mind to share your LV1 Show file just to have a good starting point to look into it for new LV1 users? Would really appreciate it 🙏🏻

I had the same issue with my M1 Pro 16! Audio glitching during playback and virtual sound check. They advise this for Mac’s with the M1 chips (Sonnet Thunderbolt AVB Adapter) I got it last week and now the audio is perfect 👌🏾

This seems a little bit different from the 25 year old Mackie board I'm using at my church.

WE LOVE WAVES 💪💪

Mix sounded tight! My only little nit picks were the overall compression and the tuning was pretty hard. Other than that, Video and lighting were crispy!

Mix sounded great, lighting and cameras looking SHARP My only nit pick would be that snare sound - to my ear it's tuned quite a bit lower than where it wants to be. With some slightly tighter wires on and tuning it up even just a half crank on the top you'd get a much nicer, more smacky sound out of it

This is my dream Mixing Setup

@mixtahenry5729

Жыл бұрын

Me too

Thanks for the overview. Waves sells the CA3000-MX, which is essentially the LV1 used in conjunction with Dante Virtual Soundcard running on the same PC as the mixer. Since you have extensively used Dante, I'm wondering if you could create a few Dante sources to see how well the integration works. Changes in latency? Obviously, you lose the Dante stagebox pre-amp control from within LV1.

i love the lv1 setup, especially for travel... how many matrix outputs do you use?

Love the Danley's... what subwoofer are you guys using with them

We have a similar issue with ableton on a M1 laptop when we try to run it over the SoundGrid network. We've ended up using a 4 channel interface.

Have you checked out the new update recently released for the LV1? You can use two Fit controllers and use more servers as well. Another thing with the controllers is now you can control the Waofes plugins directly from them.

We used Waves LV1 for a long time, loved the modular board and the in-board effects that can be added, but the problem we ran into is every once in a while (once every 4-6 weeks during service) our board would cut out for 20-30 seconds (strange lag spikes in the processing of the digital board). It forced our hand back to a physical board because we couldn’t keep dealing with the audio cutting out.

@johniebeats

Жыл бұрын

Do you have an extra server that can switch once the other go off

@AnthonyBalogun

Жыл бұрын

That's one inevitable snag with complete digital stuffs. And that will be the reason I may not be too quick to jump into that upgrade. You can never go wrong with physical boards with little bits of digitization. Thanks for this honest information.

@davidgeiger626

Жыл бұрын

Were you using separate computers for Server & LV1 Software? did you discuss with Waves to see if there was a solution?

@MrWillihelmdueck

Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyBalogun Most of the higher end mixing consoles use Windows as the control surface (Avid, Digico, SSL). This is nothing special. In addition many consoles are paired with superrack which is a very similar piece of software. I use the Lv1 platform now for 1,5 years and had issues in the beginning with dropouts but it all came back to wrong components like patch cables, switches and connectors. If you choose the right components and create a solid network this platform is running really great! And the sound is just on another level.

@MarcelGavalier

Жыл бұрын

Cat6 cable issues. All lv1 problems is cable related…

Dude LV1 is absolutely the way to go. I currently use it with my x32 rack and waves card and just use the x32 as an IO box until I can afford to fully invest. You should play around with torque live on the kick and snare for some really meaty low end. It’s so good!

@aenbeats

Жыл бұрын

how do you configure LV1 software to run with the x32?

@BritPot

Жыл бұрын

@@aenbeats You need the waves X-WSG/WSG card installed and a soundgrid server then the X32 is seen as a IO box in LV1/superrack. Then on the routing of the X32 I set all inputs as Card 1-n and outputs are Card 1-n. That way I bypass all processing on the X32. Only caveat is the preamp control still has to be done on the x32. Edit: I also have the X32 setup to mimic my LV1 as much as possible. Then in the (not happened yet) event of a failure I can just switch my routing and carry on mixing on the X32.

@aenbeats

Жыл бұрын

@@BritPot thanks mate! I'm going to try this... also I want to know if you have only one server or two for the redundancy?

Got to listen to the broadcast. I must say, those vocals are so clean, nice work. Only thing I noticed is that the master bus sounded like it was clamping down too much/quick when the drums hit, but otherwise man, makes me want to get an LV1 and dump our Wing :)

@graceplacenashville

Жыл бұрын

I promise you, if you worked at it, the wing can sound just like or even better than this. Waves plugins can't solve everything. and sure, if you want to spent $12,000 when you can achieve the same sound with the $3,000 wing, go for it!

@neob9017

Жыл бұрын

@@graceplacenashville yeah, I actually run a Live Professor Waves Plug-in setup, but yeah I bet it could!

Are you going to be at this church New Year’s Day? I’m going to be in the area for the holidays and looking for a church to go to Sunday.

I use lv1 for years now. And have to say thats is game changer. And if you switch to the 96khz 🎉

@bigben8167

Жыл бұрын

What’s going to happen?

@MarcelGavalier

Жыл бұрын

@@bigben8167 in 96khz you have more room for something thats calling aliasing, or harmoninc aliasing... in fact more khz means more room for "bad digital sound" more here kzread.info/dash/bejne/X5532aushJO-aLA.html

Wow nice

The M1 and M2 macs are very finicky with regard to hardwire network connection. You have to use the tested and approved Ethernet to Thunderbolt adapters to eliminate all issues. And, by the way, the same is true for Microsoft Surface devices, at least the latest generation that I was able to test with the system.

Out of curiosity, why did you switch to using a matrix feed for broadcast when you already had yourself a great mixing template that you could have just ported in using sound grid instead of Dante?

This is my dreams I like it

I’m actually thinking about upgrading our system. Been using an X32 for forever. Visited another church couple of weeks ago to check out their LV1. And next I’m gonna get a presentation of the Avantis. Any thoughts about these two in comparison since you mentioned the Avantis?

@graceplacenashville

Жыл бұрын

One is a real mixer, and one is basically like mixing in a DAW live. Both are going to run you around $12,000 for everything thats needed. If you are really into waves plug-ins, and you cant mix without them, the LV1 might be your best bet. If you want waves with the avantis, you have to invest in more gear. I would take the avantis over the LV1 IMO. I think it makes you a better audio engineer if you don't rely on every waves plugin to do something that can be achieved with onboard gear. Good luck!

I think it sounds pretty good! But at least I feel like the master bus compressor is messing up the mix because everytime the kick comes in, it compresses everything else a little too much. But overall I think it sounds amazing! Better than most churches!

@Churchfront

Жыл бұрын

yeah the problem ended up being I used the r-bass plugin a little too agressive on the kick lol. Felt good in the house but was overloading the base for the broadcast mix. ya live and ya learn.

Hello Jake and Dylan. Could you kindly help me with the links to your touchscreen monitors?

Actually the operating system running under the hood of the Waves servers is Ubuntu Linux and it is Open Source except for the proprietary waves software. So you could build a replacment server by cloning the drive in the server and moving the OS to another machine with Timeshift on Linux (its like Timemachine on MacOS). These are all Intel based machines so if you have an i3, i5, or i7 server you can upgrade the CPU to get more power out of them as well. One of my bandmates has another band that uses the Waves soundgrid system as a Casino house band and we have done several upgrades to their servers. The only reason I haven't went with Soundgrid is because of the cost of i/o and the lack of anything being in stock. Sure you could use USB audio interfaces but Waves really wants you to buy their i/o boxes or a Digico mixer which both start at about $10,000 and depending on how many inputs and outputs you need a full system could cost upwards of $30,000 for a 24 in 16 out system. But I love the system and it works flawlessly. But the same basic concept can be achieved with a New Mac with either Apple's Mainstage $30 or Loudlab's Sounddesk which is $29.99 and a Thunderbolt interface if you only need say 24 mic preamps. Plus you aren't stuck with just waves soundgrid plugins but you can use other brands that also have zero latency plugins like Plugins Alliance's BX-console series or Toneboosters or any of the stock plugins in Mainstage (which are the same as Logic Plugins) or SSL's Channel Strip 2. Bus compressor 2 and many other SSL plugins and many other brands. I can achieve with a Thunderbolt audio interface and 2 ADAT boxes 24x24 ins and outs at 48K or 16x16 i/o at 96K a latency shorter than the Presonus Studiolive console's internal latency which is about 7 to 9 milliseconds depending on your channel count, on the interface I hit around 2.6 to 3 milliseconds of latency with no dropouts using Mainstage and the band members can control their monitor mix with Logic Control on their iPhone or iPads. But the Waves system is rock solid and a good investment so don't take this as me hating on it. I'm not. I was just offering different options to people who might not have the budget for the Waves soudngrid system but would like more control than a reular digital mixer offers.

@samgonza1975

Жыл бұрын

Curious to know more. Can you make a video on this or link to a video with this set up?

@graceplacenashville

Жыл бұрын

but there's a reason not many people do these homebrew systems. For one, you don't have support. Thats a huge drawback. I always tell people, if they can't mix with onboard effects, they shouldn't be allows to mix with waves plugins lol

So do you need an additional server for the Midas board or just the waves card?

What happened to the Studiolive 32sc that I saw in one of your youtube video?

were the drums in the resi mix from the mics or sample replacements?

I would suggest a second LV1 in a different room for your broadcast mix. Once you have the infrastructure it wouldn’t cost much more to add another one strictly for broadcast.

@dylanraymusic

Жыл бұрын

Once we have another room freed up- that's probably the plan! 💪

is it possible to use m32 (or another console with wsg card) as an IO interface for LV1?

Presumably you can easily daisy-chain more FIT desks to increase the number of physical faders?

@davidgeiger626

Жыл бұрын

Not sure about that, but..... Having started out running analog boards, then to the A&H GLD which is a digital board, I was wondering if I needed physical faders at all. We opted to do THREE touch screens. (no physical faders) Two with 16 faders each, and a "channel" screen. We have had NO regrets and it actually saved us about $800 per system.

Overall mix doesn’t sound to bad. However I do think it’s slightly over-compressed. You can hear the kick attenuating the level of the lead vocal

The only thing that is kinda off for me is the drum kit volume (too upfront) and the lack of bass guitar in the mix but other than that, excellent mix. I love the clarity of the vocals. Gotta love that Waves effects/processing.

@Churchfront

Жыл бұрын

yeah, we love having the drums nice an strong in the room, but definitely comes across a little too much in broadcast. What's nice is I can dial them back a bit in the matrix

@graceplacenashville

Жыл бұрын

Oh man, Kick/Snare up front and then everything else. It drives the band!

The biggest upside of a Matrix mix is also it's biggest downside, it shows you exactly what you're sending to your PA. It may be discouraging at first, but if you tackle those problem areas in the mix, your Stream and FoH will improve

@graceplacenashville

Жыл бұрын

Not in this case. He is sending something completely different to his broadcast. A matrix doesnt have to be a carbon copy of the main mix

Really wanted to be able to get this setup but it just doesn't have enough outputs. We run stereo iems and really need to at least have 32 outs available. It just doesn't have enough internal busses and outputs.

Any particular reason you had a subwoofer fader instead of just tuning the system as a whole?

@davidgeiger626

Жыл бұрын

We do the same thing. Allows us to push the subs up (or pull back) as needed.

also. I'm in the position of having our spoken word stuff too loud after worship. Do you have any guidelines on where to set it (announcements, sermon) relative to the worship?

@graceplacenashville

Жыл бұрын

Do you have those mics separate? Can you just set them to be -5db from your worship stuff?

What’s that software with the equalizer thing

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Sorry if this question has been asked already! BUT, I’ve used plugins live before (not with this solution) and I’ve come across a few issues. 1) the problem we’ve had is latency with the drums and vocal processing. To negate this, we had to have a separate console for IEMs, or split the latent channels to separate channels with less processing. Could I get away with selling my SQ6 and GX4816 and this handle both FOH and monitors? (We cannot afford a separate IEM solution unfortunately, so this is important) 2) We use Dante with 7 channels from our keys MacBook. Would we have to abandon Dante if we transitioned to soundgrid? (Waves to Dante bridge isn’t an option - would push the cost over budget) 3) We love mixing remotely from our iPads. Is there a solid wireless solution for doing this? Cheers!

@84maf

Жыл бұрын

1. Yes you can. 2. You can go streight from Mac to lv1 just with one ethernet cable up to 128 ch 3.MyFoh ipad app.

What is the difference between this and downloading the x32 rack and downloading it on a PC with a touch screen monitor?

@graceplacenashville

Жыл бұрын

This is a waves console... the interface is much better than that x32 ones. and I dont think the x32 rack can take a waves card..

Stupid question.. Why not run from the network switch into a separate MacBook into Logic pro and mix broadcast separately in a different room? That's how I ran a live show and send the broadcast guys a mix to record with the m32 with a waves DN card. Waves is very flexible with multiple pc or macs connecting to the same switch

@graceplacenashville

Жыл бұрын

With that comes a lot of different things. 1) another room you have to burn, a lot of growing churches need those spaces for classrooms or something else. 2) you need another volunteer that you trust to run a good broadcast mix 3) More gear, not all churches can afford more gear.

@dylanraymusic

Жыл бұрын

(hi. Dylan from Grace) - Not a stupid question at all! In fact, we used to do it this way. The problem is/was we do not currently have a dedicated room for somebody to create an accurate mix, AND you have to have a very well trained and passionate volunteer to make a DAW mix sound REALLY good. Sure, you can set it, forget it, and it would sound "decent". We just found that sending this FOH mix ended up sounding better than when we'd "set it and forget it" from logic.

1:25 "it's a PC... I know... but it actually processes fine." Lol okay. 😆

I like how he says "Yeeeaaahhh it's a PC" as if PCs aren't better in most aspects.

I've been wondering about going with a DAW instead of buying the SQ5. The cheapest setup on the waves website is around $4400, the SQ5 is $4000. It seems like a good deal for only $400 more to go fully digital. But I hear these softwares can glitch. I wasn't super clear on how to get the inputs and outputs to and from the computer, and SO glad you mentioned the stagegrid 4000. There is a stage grid 1000 which is plenty of me, but it's $4,000. For that price, you can buy an SQ5. That seems way too expensive for 8 preamps and a DAC. If there was a cheaper way to get mics into the computer, I could see DAWs as one day being cheaper than a console. Maybe Behringer can make one! Technically, their wing, is one, but I don't have space for that. It's a small desk with a small (old) Mackie on it, so a DAW makes a lot of sense if they have cost and reliability parity with consoles.

@graceplacenashville

Жыл бұрын

This rig is going to cost you 12k to get it all working properly. and the SQ5 is fully digital, so not sure what you mean there? DAW's are cheaper than consoles. Technically, if had an interface with enough outputs, you could run your FOH through protools, but there's a reason people don't do it. Normal computers are faulty. Servers are more stable. I would just get a digital console. The Wing definitely over the sq series. It blows them away

How ecualizer the micrófono for the pastor😅

Someone educate me, why does Jake add a limiter (the L1) on the Main LR? If it's loud enough (at a reasonable level in the room) it's okay, right?

@BritPot

Жыл бұрын

As well as acting as a limiter to stop things getting too loud, L1 also adds a little colour to the mix. So I assume he is using it for those reasons.

That isn’t too far from me. If you all need any help, let me know. Smaart instructor and dealer, and LV1 owner/user.

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

No need for Ableton if you have Waves LV1. Enough channels to run front of house and online. It would be nice when they decide to give us channel 1 for foh and channel 1 for live stream running independently

How does that system compare to the wing? I’ve seen you guys saying the wing is amazing. How does this compare?

@Churchfront

9 ай бұрын

The LV1 is in a different price range and league of potential capability. The Wing is great for what it does. Comes down to budget and what you're looking to accomplish. We still love the Wing. - Dylan

That with the raven desk would be killer

@graceplacenashville

Жыл бұрын

We have the raven desk, not super happy with it. The monitors are so low quality

@theoriginalwordup

Жыл бұрын

@@graceplacenashville that’s a shame cause that would be dope

So is the wing gone?

But is it subscription based?

The glitching audio was because you did not use the correct dongle with Apple. That’s a Mac problem not a Waves problem and yes it is a major problem. Mac only excepts audio over ethernet through very specific dongle’s.

Been using an LV1 on and off for 5 years now. it's a lot better now than it was back in the day but it's still no where near as reliable as even an x32. We have the most recent server and system set up in our broadcast space and still have issues almost every week with it crashing. Our second campus has massive latency issues with almost no plugins running it still can't handle 16 inputs correctly every week. all in all not impressed with the system as expensive as it is it's not very good.

So is Waves just a more expensive and robust version of Dante?

How is the delay on this system. Does it process like the Waves Auto tune Live without delay/

@Guitarstar889

Жыл бұрын

The overall latency is determined by the amount of plugin processing, and like waves Live Tune most plugins are very low latency, with some exceptions. There are a couple settings on how to align the console (by groups/busses or entire console.) If entire console is selected then all channels will be delayed to match the latency of the longest path. I go pretty crazy with plugins and its plenty usable in FOH/broadcast applications. I can't speak to in ears though. I think my overall latency is usually less than 2 ms

@leonemukova6784

Жыл бұрын

@@Guitarstar889 Thanks so much for the response

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So are you gonna keep it?

@Churchfront

Жыл бұрын

Yes, i believe so.

What happened to the Wing for the time being?

@Churchfront

Жыл бұрын

The WING is still being used at the church i attend in colorado (south fellowship)

@narnol02

Жыл бұрын

@@Churchfront the way you talk in the video I thought you moved to a new church again. Was confused. Also wondered about the wing after digging the I'm the recent church tour video. LoL

PC Master Race.

But x32 for life?!!??!!!!!

8:30 HOLY FUCK SO MANY PLUGS

Why is it better? The Behringer is gone! lol jk

PC is the platform not the OS. Even the server is a PC but it's ruining Linux. It's Mac vs Windows not Mac vs PC.

Idolatry chill boy