I like how you factored in DIY for this because thats exactly why I ended up on this video. Paintkng little bits at home and then the whole thing in a booth just seems easier to stick to solvent.

I deliberately didn't mention colour matching because from my experience there is no real difference, most colours still need tinting using waterborne.

@poseidon3032

8 жыл бұрын

Right. I think what happen was that when they brought in the system, they put in backup tints for a shop that didn't have a high enough volume to cycle through before the tints expired. So even the simplest of formulas had to be tinted when before they were fine. A jobber mistake I'd say. The high-volume shops didn't have that problem. We're expected to keep materials at 4%, paint and body. The industry is changing, and I can't say for the better.

@poseidon3032

8 жыл бұрын

Thank-you Gunman for pointing me to the Pros and Prolites. Best gun to me dollar-for-dollar. Here's a Tekna Special Edition Steampunk. Keeps me from reaching for the wrong gun.

Great video mate. I don't even paint cars. Just like a straight up no BS comparison and the clear summary at the end is very helpful.

Grated floor is genius. Keeps the dust on the bottom! I came to learn about waterborne paint, thank you.

So you finally found out the difference between waterborne and water based paint. Good for you. Knowledge is a wonderful experience.

Thank you for that information. I got no idea if any companies are using waterbased paint in South Africa, Cape Town. I even see them advertising it out there. Great vedeo mate.

I've been spaying cromax pro for close to 2 years now and I absolutely love it. built in blowers in your booths are a game changer for dry time. I use wb2040 in the winter and wb2045 for the summer to help with the dry time. same when I add to my wetbed (wb2091). for first time users make sure to let your base dry for just a little longer for your tricoats otherwise you will get solvent pop. and if you are getting solvent pop with your whites try to substitute 2010 with 2030 and watch your overlap. I had a cunt of a time with that in the beginning! cheers

I use waterborne and the drying times are a pain but find it doesnt halo with silvers like solvent does which makes it great for smart or spot repairs. it also has way less overspray. there are a few custom colours on water the main one is auto air colours. great vid as usual.

How about a video showing cleaning spray equipment for both water based and waterborne? Thanks.

Very Informative for us..Been solvent for 30 years and now having to switch for some work providers.. Seems water has come a long way since it first made an appearance in the industry.

Great vid gunman just to pick up on a point u said about custom resprays with solvent.i managed to do a custom respray in water base using a clear binder for my additives over my wb base.👍but yes solvent mainly a winner for custom work.

Great video Gunman, thanks for sharing!

@TheGunmanChannel

8 жыл бұрын

No probs, thanks for watching mate.

Another amazing and informative Gunman production -- Thanks you!

Hi Gunny, In my opinion both systems have their place: I remember wen water born appeard in the market and every body started having a diferent opinion about it... some painters loved it, others were friking out with it! I still use both, but one of the biggest advantages that I find in waterborn is cleanig my guns:so much easyer!!!

Thanks gunman! Love all your videos! Very helpful!

Excellent vid and great info, thanks Gunman!

Awesome video Gunman. I seek to perform touch up painting with waterborne as a home handyman, in particular to avoid exposing my family and neighbours to that thinners stench. So why are waterborne paints next to impossible to buy as a retail customer? One provider only mixes base colours in solvent based paints, restricting mixing waterborne colours to the industry. Seems Australia is well behind several US states and Europe restricting high-VOC paints which would naturally favour waterborne.

Hi Gunman, you speak often about the different paint systems that you have used through the years, I'm not sure if you would be able to make an entire video to the subject put for enthusiasts and DIY'ers such as myself we are often not in the best place to be able to know what are the best brands of paints around, cheers legend

Very well put together video thank you Gunman

@TheGunmanChannel

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate

We only use sealer on new panels and parts. Dont use any over the mud work and everything turns out great. For the little cut throughs we just use an aerosol etch primer

Great video Gun...........might wait until summer when it's 40 degrees to spray water based in my shed.

@johnandersonjjr

3 жыл бұрын

You are very fair unlike the paint reps that flogged waterborne paint (Canada) I noticed you never mentioned cost of storage (heat) how green is keeping water based from freezing (it’s still as cold as ever here in winter) .Paint companies don’t like to tell you the shelf life is not impressive.How green that I buy new stock instead of using paint that I first used 30 years ago ((I do it all the time) interesting and fair video however

Hey gun I've been waiting on this review you knocked it out of the park well done mate

I've been a Glasurit 55 line user for 9 and a half years and I cannot NOT fault it at all (such a good fucking system man) save for the laughable price that we were paying for it. A few months ago we switched to Debeer Waterbase 900+ due to its affordable price and seemingly good reputation and I've gotta say, so far I'm pretty damn impressed with it. It's probably a little too early to give a complete verdict on it but so far so good.

ALSA candy concentrates can be mixed in both water and solvent base binder my friend in the UK also developed a range for both water and solvent candy i also use dry pigment custom colours which can be used in any binder system

Thank you Gunman for sharing your take on it. I prefer waterborne. Edging can be more difficult. But as long as you gray scuff and add hardener, it sticks fairly well. We've tested Spies Hecker on direct-to-metal door hinges and stuck tape to it trying to make it peel. It held. I've sprayed PPG Environbase which sprays more like solvent. Based on your definition, it is water base. I tried color sanding with water. It was a mess. Spies/Cromax has my vote.

Another point for the solvent in the cleaning, whater born needs a lots of air movement in the booth witch created a lot more durty jobs.

I fall into the DIY category as I paint in my home workshop, have to say, water is so much easier to use in that situation in the UK, nowhere near as many issues with shrinkage and silicons BarCoat is worth a try, easy to apply and does help prevent problems (but not every time)

love the pros and cons approach. just like with life!

@johnandersonjjr

3 жыл бұрын

You didn’t mention expense to keep paint In storage in winter (I’m in Canada)warm .You also failed to mention shelf life. I can dig out a can of solventborne base that’s been in my cabinet for 30 years,20 without heat no problems. We still have the same frigid temps we’ve always had despite what the climate change hoaxsters say. How is using evil fossil fuel to heat paint green? How is replacing leftover paint paint a good thing (short shelf life)

Solvent wins for us the DIY's. Shorter drying times are important when you have an improvised paint booth. And the lower-end guns aren't water compatible (there may be exeptions). Great info on this one! thanks!

You bring up you want only to spray on the amount and thickness of product to match the factory. Like that's a good thing. But the factory isn't spraying on the optimal amount based on testing that proves this thickness and amount is beneficial for the color and longevity. No the factory is spraying on the least amount possible for reasons of cost savings only. The main reason a factory paint job is in some ways superior is the curing cycle. Factory paint will be baked at 300+ degrees. Giving it more strength and adhesion. And no normal paint booth can match that temperature. Not too mention they couldn't put a built car in that temperature.

Can a water bone gun paint solvent paint

nice vid mate! you're absolutely right! I got some silver waterborne paint and it's horrible to paint with in the garage! With solvent I can get really good results I think! Thanks for your work and ambition man!👍

Thanks, exactly what I’m debating for my home spray. Have you done a vid on iso free 2 pack? Sounds like an ideal/safer compromise for the home diy’er than using regular 2 pack and much more durable than acrylic?

Gunman auto air have now come out with a true waterborne dye based candy and an intercoat clear. The candy colours cover really well and the clarity is on par with solvent candies. Take a look "Candy 2o "

I was lucky enough to learn to paint using water and solvent,so I'm not bias to either,personally I would use water every time,the main negative pionts for me with the water is drying time and you have to scuff it back for any imperfections,other than that its water every time

Excellent comparison 👍

I don't know if i miss heard you but all my custom airbrush paints are water-based even the candy ,the make is Auto-air colors and i've used them for years. I'm a solvent based painter and never use water-based paints only on airbrushing so have no experience but have been told they're much easier to use than solvent . Too be fair i had a problem with a Merc bumper and had to get some paint off a pal who only uses water-base and the job came out great. Just a thought if there's a problem when laying down the base with water-bourne paint is it easy too correct 🤔. jim uk.

another great video, I'm learning a lot with ur videos.tks so much..i live in Margaret River, hope one day visit ur workshop...cheers mate

Oh...ok I thought maybe u a secret or some....alot of wat u do helps me in painting motorcycle......thanks for responding so fast

what compressor do you use for this work in what is the specifications of the compressors requirement

Another one! good vid brotha keep em coming!

@TheGunmanChannel

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, I've got your air cap ready to send, I'll send when I get the chance to get to a post office.

@rckbtmsuperbike1917

8 жыл бұрын

+The Gunman sounds good. Cheers!

I'll have to go around and talk to a couple shops to see what their custom colors are. As far as I know, solvent-based paints aren't allowed in California, so I'm curious what's used, or what's done to circumvent the restrictions.

Not sure if this was mentioned, and can only speak from personal experience, water based products take twice as long if not longer to dry, oven has to be hotter and runs longer, plus the amount of air is multiplied by 5,why is nobody mentioning the extra booth running costs and emissions brought on from this?

I’ve always wondered how acrylic enamel exterior gloss would work on a car sprayed with a ff tip off my airless. I can spray house doors like mirrors. I found over the years the oil based enamels white paint goes yellow over years where the water base doesn’t

I'll be painting the roof of my wife's SUV soon as my shop wants $2K for the job. Crazy. It's a 10 year old daily driver with 120K miles on it and nobody is going to see the damn roof anyway. The car is in great shape but the clear failed on the roof. I'm a DIY guy in CA and definitely prefer solvent based for something like this. DIYers can still get away with solvents in CA. Played around with AutoAir when it first came out and it's pretty good. I'm not going to use a booth for this one so I want something that drys right away. I just like how fast urethane dry for my airbrushing and painting. You didn't touch on the most important thing to me, thats the clear. Everyone is still using solvent clear and thats the most dangerous stuff!

We spray woodwork almost exclusively and steel rarely, but I've found some of your videos interesting. We used to use waterbourne lacquer on wood, but we found that even with extremely good prep work, you would sometimes get fish eye for unknown reasons, while we've never had problems with old fashioned standard lacquer. Got sick of the water's fickleness, so now we are doing oil all the time for wood. Water was sure easier on you, and that part I miss, but not the headaches it would sometimes cause. Yes, the drying time can be important as well, you can finish a contract much quicker with far shorter and consistent drying times, its nice to enjoy getting the same high quality for much less shop time. As far as your products and work, what is the difference in fish eye between water and solvent?

Does spray guns direct have any other people doing product reviews perhaps on there industrial painting equipment? ur reviews really helped me 2 decide 2 get my devilbiss pro light 1.3 great and fair non biased reviews are hard to come by

@fireblade5542

8 жыл бұрын

Tony's refinishing

@rickyhorsburgh6581

8 жыл бұрын

+fireblade5542 thanks mate will check it out

@futurenewmedia

8 жыл бұрын

Plus one for Tony's Refinishing, Tony is a stand up UK painter and great honest gent. Go check his channel

thinks for the vids! i use auto air and wicked paints for all my airbrush work and have had great success with it. 99% of the time its over a solvent base. the other day i tried to paint a fender using all waterborne. when o pulled the tape on the base coat i had adhesion problems and my tape lines were jagged. prep was the same as always not sure what caused it.

I think I learned something - Thank you -

I Hello. I'm from Portugal and I am using the Cromax range , not Pro . I used before MaxMeyer that is water based and does not see much difference in the application, perhaps the Cromax dry faster. I am not able to go back to using the solvent paint again.

That's a good comparison to Cromax Pro, but I think more of a analysis needs to be done on the "water Bourne" vs "water based" example being the Cromax pro and Ppg Envirobase. Resons being totally different chemicals and different systems and processes involved with application and drying. We would find quite different results again is a versus comparison.

@poseidon3032

8 жыл бұрын

PPG Environbase doesn't need to be stirred, just shaken a little before mixing. The metallics float better. It sprays like solvent, except that you need heat and blow driers between each coat (usually 3). When we had it, we used Global clears instead of Environbased clears. I guess because it still worked and wasn't mandated to change clears. Meaning, we were using Global solvent system before we changed to Environbase. Now we use Spies Hecker Hi-Tec 480 (similiar to Cromax). It has to be stirred like solvents do, just not as long. Instead of spraying a coat and waiting for it to dry, you can put all your coats on in one shot and do the heat and blow drying. So, that to me makes it faster than Environbase.

Just my opinion on the video and im only up to 1:43 so far just thinking a dot point layout might have been better like breaking down what your saying to read it and remember the significant difference it has and why its better on each type. Still loving the videos especially the paint sop ones and general awesome talking on some things ad giving out handy advice and techniques.

@mydogzty

8 жыл бұрын

Hi Gunmsn, I made it to 11:00 and just after that the dot points came and yes....I am very happy.

hi gunman I didn't see u applying drop coat on this video u don't do that especially on water applied 1,5 ?

I learned on solvent 10 years ago and I simply refuse to paint with water based paint. It is a hassle to use those dryers, it takes forever to dry, and when you have to paint tri-coat. May God bless your soul. I know hate is a strong word but I absolutely hate water borne paint. I simply gave it the middle finger and I refuse to use it.

Hi Gunman...can I ask what sort of breathing mask you wear for each different type of paint. You recommended solvent based for DIY or smaller jobs at home but would there be problems with the hardener content in the basecoat or clearcoat as regards breathing masks. I am restoring a MK1 Lotus Cortina which will be going to a spray booth for the full respray but I want to spray things like the dash and door caps/bases etc myself. Your advice on this would help as it is a big safety concern obviously....thanks Charlie (UK)

Hi gunman , i learned heaps from your video,there is plenty of "How to fix the clear runs" but nobody says anthing about how to /or tips to avoid the clear coat runs , How about make a viedo thats to control/avoid 2k clear coat runs? many thanks

@TheGunmanChannel

8 жыл бұрын

That's a good idea, I just put it on my list.

Great video thanks 👍 not sure if this is a stupid question but are both water and solvent paints acrylic?

I used to use RM Diamont base and when I legally had to make the switch to waterborne, I was pissed off! The drying time was a shock as being much longer and repairs during spray time I couldn't do like I did with solvent. But I must say, after getting used to it, the finished product is much better than solvent. Blending metalics and pearls was incredible. I will take the better finished product over time. Started with Onyx HD waterborne and recently switched out to PPG Envirobase. I like the Envirobase even better. Plus dries a bit quicker than Onyx HD.

Very informative vid.

I wonder how well your water borne paint jobs are holding up 3 years later??? Seems like water based paints might work well on smooth automotive surfaces, but not on rough industrial surfaces like tractors and farm equipment that have lots of crust and rust, and need a thicker paint to cover up the imperfections.

Great video as always, very smooth trigger work :-) Have question on color matching, metallic like 9792 different between US ( water based) and German build Mercs is part of the problem the water based flake looks different even with careful blend on solvent based German and vise-versa, same conditions and application wet on wet. Anyone else had experience?

i know with ppg envirobase it used to be a mission color matching as you cant stick match. every tint had to be sprayed out making it a drama. and there always used to be more shit in the jobs from the seedy tinters. colors off the spectro in water were miles better than solvent but that was about it. both had good and bad points

i had car repaired via insurance i see deep sand marks and corners of my winscreen pressed in after taking it out and placing back.over a year now i do need other repair done should i got back to sane repairer get new damaged asset then tell him about marks on roof or contact insurer ?

So I have a mystery for you. I took my MX Miata (2016) into the shop to get a corner seam repainted (my son hit my car in the garage with HIS miata), and the paint shop called and said after they sprayed it over the base coat, they got "fish eye" on the results and it had to be done over. He asked what I put on the car, like silicone wax or whatever, and said I nothing, because it came from the factory. They are having a heck of a time painting this - to the extent that they are losing money on time necessary to redo the paint. Any ideas on why they are experiencing this? This is a professional shop and they did great work on my aforementioned Miata that caused the damage to my Miata. Any suggestions for this Mystery on how to solve it? (Great video by the way...I'm not in the business but watching you apply that paint was almost mesmerizing. Thanks!)

How r u able to spray clear rite after u put down base with no flash time.....luv wat ur doing

@TheGunmanChannel

8 жыл бұрын

I don't spray clear straight away, I just don't include the footage because I guess it would be as boring as watching paint dry ;)

is it possible to make a water based paint into a waterBOURNE paint? I do graffiti I bought GRAFFITI paint I didn't know the idiots water BASED, so I'm trying to salvage it

I work withPPG whater base paint and I don't think is better for the environment becouse you have to use sealer and the sealer is solvent base but in the solvent base you don't need sealer most of the time.

I'm guessing that it would be safe to shoot a waterbade clear over a rustoleum enamel?

Auto Bourne and auto air have a good paint range

Solvent does have better shelf life. So if your not turning it over constantly, with waterborne, then color matching problems creep in. So basically, I think waterborne is intended for industry only.

Gunny I just moved shops. Last shop was solvent. New shop is waterbase cromax. The rep is pushing me to use a Sagola 4600 extreme. I’m a Devilbiss GTI PRO Lite guy all the way. What size fluid tip and cap do you recommend to use for cromax water for the GTI. Cheers mate

@TheGunmanChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Mate, the pro lite is better for Cromax water anyway. Go TE10 1.3 if you can. But in saying that any gun will sorry Cromax Pro with ease. It's more how you spray it that counts. I'm yet to find a gun that won't spray it well

@BUCH379

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGunmanChannel rep said I’m switched on with prep, masking, clearing, solids etc. But I’m still applying water like solvent. Dusting it on, or like he said pissing it on 😬. I’ll get there in the end, I’ve got a spare guard that I’ll practice on after hours with my GTI PRO LITE with scrap water base metallic. Thanks for reply bro. I’m committed to mastering water, even though I think it’s slower than solvent and a waste of time. This shop is primo compared from the shop I came from. Closer to home, better hours and the same pay with 20 smoko and 30min lunch. Cheers mate

i always have some 2k clear runs on the side door panel especially on the very end blending panel as i only scotch pad it , the surface is more smoother than the panel that painted

@TheGunmanChannel

8 жыл бұрын

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I'm just a Diy guy so I don't get much exposure, but how about the pro and health concerns? I would expect solvent to be more toxic? Thanks for the vids Gun!!

@TheGunmanChannel

8 жыл бұрын

Yes but I guess no matter what you're spraying you should be using the correct PPE so there's no real winner or loser, to mention that would lead people to be a bit complacent when spraying water when there are still lots of bad chemicals in it.

As usual, nice review mate. I might do an Acrylic v's tractor enamel review for the true dodgy backyarder/tight ass :]

can u use a regular house hold box fan to dry the waterborne paint ..?..for the at home diy.....thanks

What about the color match between the two? How do you tint the waterborne? Is it the same as solvent? Thanks in advance, really like watching your videos.

@TheGunmanChannel

8 жыл бұрын

You must use a metal card to spray a colour out, colours are no better from my experience, Cromax Pro tinters are very strong so just add small amounts, I was going to mention it but decided to leave out because there's minimal difference, solvent can be stick matched tho so if I had to choose a winner it'd be solvent.

How is water helping the environment when you have to bake the base for 20 minutes. That’s heaps of emissions right there

@TheGunmanChannel

9 ай бұрын

It's all about feels just like the whole climate agenda.

Hi, love your videos. A quick question, can I use my Devilbiss GTI Pro TE20 air cap for Waterbourne paints or should I buy an HV30 setup. Cheers Rob

@TheGunmanChannel

7 жыл бұрын

TE20 is fine for water

@hannahmagowan

7 жыл бұрын

Youre a star, thanks for the tip....... Rob

Can you spray water based paint over flat black spray paint, then clear coat? What are your suggestions...? EVERYONE!

Are u goin to have a min gun give away contest anytime soon....how do I get in

good stuff gun man 👍

my shop used waterbourne on rear quarterpanel and front fender on my car. black met.. now im thinking about paint front door myself. would you reccomend buy waterbase from them if they let me. or order my usual solvent from another supplyer? i have newer done water bourne. thanks

@TheGunmanChannel

2 жыл бұрын

If you're painting at home definitely use solvent

@dollaarz

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGunmanChannel thanks, ill do. was a bit concerned about color difference

been using cromax pro for about 10 months and I'm having HUGE issues with drying if blowers are used the clear has silicone spots everywhere which is from the water trying to escape. had the axalta reps in to no avail. only way to stop getting them is too let it dry naturally which is normally a 30 min wait and for a crash shop that sucks. Any help from people is appreciated or if this has happened to u guys. spraying with 2 bar inlet and ive tried almost every gun and setup there is, although the problem is minimized by using an iwata entech.

@Gazhac111

7 жыл бұрын

Adam hi Adam. Get yourself a couple of dog grooming hair dryers. They will easily blow the length of the car, have adjustable heat and will dry each coat of paint, even on a bottom half in about fine minutes. They even sell them with stands.

Hi gunmen whats the best paint gun tip to use with watherborn. İ have a DB 1.4 is it possible

how well does clear stick to waterborne compared to solvent

How come you’re not keeping your wrist or hand straight?

Have you had any issues with two tone unmasking with waterborne? I've also heard that solvent based paints have better adhesion, and could be considered more durable.

@TheGunmanChannel

8 жыл бұрын

I've never actually done a water 2 tone yet but heard the same thing.

@intraw831

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen it

id rather waterborne bc it doesnt smell that disgusting and its not as agressive for the loungs i guess

Is Gti pro lite gun good for solvent base??

Thanks!!

mister Gunman where can I buy these water born paints in Queensland Australia ??

@TheGunmanChannel

7 жыл бұрын

Just your local crash supplier, there'll be loads of them around.

Yup gun man is right on that, fernando you dont know the regulations of other places. There is a reason why the industry is changing from solvent to waterborne paints.not only does California have the strictest regulations on what type of material a shop is using. VOC are chemicals that evaporate into the atmosphere. and lowers VOC products have less effect on the chemicals being released into the shop, thus actually improving inhalation of carcinogens that give you CANCER! Its funny because i live in california and see shop who complain about switching over to waterborne. For example, a buddy shop who refuses to make the change of switching to waterborne and still use NON compliant base coat which dont meet californias VOC regulations. However, since its a small shop they don't have the EPA breathing down their backs. Since southern california has so many shops, EPA ( Environmental protection agency) or the Air resource Board dont bothers. BUT if they do get a surprise visit, they would be fined so much they would probably be closing shop. yup and what gun man said TSD sheet are very important for every product used in the work shop we have a desinated place where the folder is to all information. IF SHOP HAS NO TSD sheet OSHA( occupational safety and health administration) will fine you. its crazy because its all fun and games till you have a surprise visit at the shop. iv heard it happen so many of people. I live in NORTHERN CALIFORNIA now so its even worse than southern California. So yea gunman your totally correct people dont realize the

Gunny can i youse 2 paint over waterborne paint

i have to ask because i'm canadian and have never heard the term "fry up" or "shrink back".......could you help a brother out?

@TheGunmanChannel

6 жыл бұрын

If you've never used solvent you wouldn't know, I wish I didn't know 😆

@TheGunmanChannel

6 жыл бұрын

Search KZread for a video called paint fry up fix

@chrisjones367

6 жыл бұрын

super thanks.....and i probably know what it is because all i use is solvent. i just checked out this vid on water based to see if i might switch. thanks for the quick reply. keep up the awesome work.... cheers

like the intro

HAHA SPARE WHEELE COVERS KILL MY LIFE

Why are you painting all the surface?????????

color match(blend) - water pot life - water

@TheGunmanChannel

8 жыл бұрын

I deliberately didn't mention colour matching because from my experience there is no real difference, most colours still need tinting using waterborne. From my experience solvent would win on blend and match, you can stick match with solvent but not water and colours are no better.

@J.____

8 жыл бұрын

+The Gunman Good point....I can stick match BASF waterborne but not Sherwin Williams. You should try RM Onyx or Glasurit 90 line....you can mix as water or solvent by switching out binders. Keep up the great work Gunman.

Doesn't seem like a balanced comparison given water based needs a solvent clear. The markets crying out for a non-iso / water based clear the

@TheGunmanChannel

8 жыл бұрын

I did make a mention to that but it wasn't the focus of the comparison plus there actually is a waterborne clear by PPG kzread.info/dash/bejne/gGeryNuOgpfAkdY.html

@TheGunmanChannel

8 жыл бұрын

Plus I'm no chemist but don't think a "water based" clear is even possible for finished product, read the video description for the difference between waterborne and water based.

solvent wins in my game but that's for industrial applications