Watchmaker Breaks Down Swiss vs Japanese Made Watches | WIRED
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Professional watchmaker Ryan Jewell breaks down two different Carpenter watches; one watch with Japanese movement and another with Swiss movement.
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When I was in Austria I found a whole TV channel dedicated to a guy making watches, saying nothing and with no music and 8 camera angles. It was really nice to watch in the evening.
@elshizz
5 жыл бұрын
I would subscribe SO FAST to that channel!
@goku445
5 жыл бұрын
Austrians are weirdos confirmed.
@Autechltd
5 жыл бұрын
@@goku445 If they don't release that pent up autism, bad things happen.
@PLBW81
5 жыл бұрын
what was the name of the channel?
@armanke13
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many unit can they make a week or a month, 🤔
I felt a very weird combination of fascination and boredom while watching this
@MrMinusguy
5 жыл бұрын
this is on point
@Triggerboy78
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting enough to watch it, but boring enough to jump forward once in a while to finally see a result :)
@youmongrel
5 жыл бұрын
Is that the definition of "contentment?"
@RNCHFND
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking. I made until 7 minutes and thought to myself "this guy is legit and that's a cool craft but I should watch something else"
@Tayl0NP
5 жыл бұрын
I for one, was whelmed
Comparing a ~$250,- ETA movement to a ~$75,- Miyota seems unfair when you never mention the price difference of the movements themselves.
@alfistibrasiliani
5 жыл бұрын
ok, can you name a japanese movement in the same price range? give us an exemple
@urieelSEptim
5 жыл бұрын
alfistibrasiliani what about the miyota 9015? its considered better than the eta, still cheaper.
@gmansplit
5 жыл бұрын
@@alfistibrasiliani I can name Japanese movements in a much higher price range. Anything Grand Seiko makes. The Miyota 9015 would also be more comparable to the ETA 2824-2, Seiko's 6R15, 8L35 etc.
@zakofrx
5 жыл бұрын
I have seen that Miyota for a lot cheaper than $75.
@spare97
5 жыл бұрын
@@gmansplit He asked in the same price range. A Grand Seiko movement is more in the same price range as an Omega in-house movement. The Seiko Spring Drive movement is over $1000 for example.
Can you imagine if your cat jumped on the table and knocked that entire parts tray to the floor.
@yamawaw9572
4 жыл бұрын
i imagine you jump, will be flying side kick landed in second :P
@biglezmate3830
4 жыл бұрын
@@abyss3741 I'd be pouring gravy on that pussycat.
@jessecoulter3476
4 жыл бұрын
What cat??
@impact0r
4 жыл бұрын
Cat would subsequently be jumped out of the window on the top floor.
@alandriasheffer1779
4 жыл бұрын
Literally my first thought lol
‘Hmm I understand how it all works now’ - No-one
@jimbert50
5 жыл бұрын
@Spiritpoweredinternet I still don't understand. lol Well, except in very general terms.
@manwhoneversleeps
5 жыл бұрын
Spiritpoweredinternet "watch"
@ArchesBro
5 жыл бұрын
Basically, there is a spring that is wound that will slowly unwind to power the hands on the clock. It unwinds slowly because it is attached to a spinning thingy that can only spin so fast because of air resistance. That is connected to the gears that will spin the 3 hands, those 3 hands have different gear ratios so that they spin at their particular speeds. The real magic is putting all these little things in there stacked on top of each other. The mechanism to wind up the watch is essentially a gear inside of a gear, so that when you rewind it, you dont change the position of the outer gear. It's very simple if you look at an animation of the couple things happening. Extremely tedious to manufacture. I cant imagine what all it takes to make them. Probably have a "how its made" episode out there.
@yodamunkey
5 жыл бұрын
Haha I just woke everyone up, I think. Never laughed that loud at a comment - caught me off guard!
@ArchesBro
5 жыл бұрын
@CYZ Aero I actually found a good video explaining it. The escapement isn't actually like I described. Apparently high end watches use a mechanical escapement, not an air resistance one. I'm just a dumb guy on the internet who shouldn't be trusted I guess. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWWMpMRwm62wh8o.html
Grand Seiko vs Rolex comparison would be interesting.
@MonkeyChocolate
5 жыл бұрын
I actually wear my SARB035 (6R15D) more than GMT Master. Because it just looks simpler and there's a love on its white dial.
@safinasir6683
5 жыл бұрын
yeahh seiko gang
@kristian1300
5 жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/pKt1wcl6eMbTfNY.html There you go
@Merthalophor
5 жыл бұрын
@@MonkeyChocolate the only reason you said that was to tell us that you own such a watch
@iamtoast3397
5 жыл бұрын
@@Merthalophor Surely not, he must have thought this information would enrich our lives 😂
Comparing a $50 Miyota movement with a $250 eta
@tresconik
3 жыл бұрын
@R. Schowiada71 possibly.. higher beat rate means it can be more easily regulated, hacking means time can be set more exactly, and the miyota will be dumped and replaced in a service while the eta may have small parts replaced but you will largely have the same movement, if that makes any difference to you.
What I like about brands such as seiko and orient is that you can purchase a well made, budget watch with its own brand movement. With Swiss watches you tend to have to jump many price brackets to get the same claim. Even some of the so called luxury brands just run decorated ETA movements.
@teheipod
4 жыл бұрын
In house movements are great and all, but the ETA 7750 is one of the most reliable and accurate chronograph movements ever created. ETA movement isn't a necessarily bad thing in a luxury watch, they're very high quality. That said, also look at nomos, they offer in-house German movements at super affordable prices.
@darthgiggity7948
11 ай бұрын
@@teheipod it isn't though. And using ETA too much is a sign of laziness. Aren't they capable of innovation? Lol
@itovenaar6920
10 ай бұрын
@@teheipod nomos is super affordable? Since when.
@cc8530
10 ай бұрын
@@darthgiggity7948 I know what you mean, I liken it to car/engine manufacture. The EV movement is the quartz crisis for cars coming and I feel it will revert back to ICE due to battery issues down the line.
@Carbonpolter
8 ай бұрын
I mean, ETA really mastered the production of great movements. Why should you use different movements if they are working great? Never change a wining team. 😅
Odd they didn't compare more... equitable movements. a Miyota 9015 would be a much better comparison to the 2824 in both price and quality
@EthnHDmlle
5 жыл бұрын
Japanese watches are based after European designs. It wouldn't make sense to compare the two.
@Speed_7545
4 жыл бұрын
How about the 6R15
@david111davies
4 жыл бұрын
Yes it does, they are different enough and many of the Swiss designs are old as the hills and some Japan ones are recent past.
@alerojas2952
4 жыл бұрын
You yankee piece of sh¡t
@EthnHDmlle
3 жыл бұрын
Michal Nazareth you’re right. I should have specified mechanical watch.
I can imagine accidentally inhaling one of those parts.
The incredible level of engineering involved in the wrist watch. Amazing.
Wow. Just speechless at the production value and at how well done and helpful this is. Thank you!!!
This is really cool, but... finger condoms
@MRLONG758
5 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@AndreaVerdiCR
5 жыл бұрын
I came...here for this
@Ryotsu2112
5 жыл бұрын
Golden Age Those finger cots are also used in office environments for repeated page turning to grab the paper and avoid paper cuts.
@Koooo4
5 жыл бұрын
One of the finger condoms has a hole in it too. That watch might get pregnant.
@iMadrid11
5 жыл бұрын
Fido Montoya - They’re also used by bus conductors who dispense paper tickets.
I need more of these kind of videos. Very nice to go through this in a leisurely pace.
The best thing I’ve watched on KZread for a very long time. I love my small watch collection,and you have given me a better understanding of their beating hearts !
Thank you for naming the parts, and showing the differences in construction. Fascinating !
I loved this so much. The ingenuity and precision of the engineering is inspiring, and Ryan Jewell is as articulate as he is skilled. Bravo!
Loving this new series! 😍 Please make a lot more deconstructed videos 😍
This guy has an excellent quality for narration and explanation. Because of this video my enthusiasm for watches in general has increased ten fold.
17:00 seiko's magic lever brings bi directional winding to watches under $100
@vast634
3 жыл бұрын
In practice it works poor compared to the gear solution in the ETA.
@elgatto3133
3 жыл бұрын
@@vast634 not really. the SII 7s26 is one of the most reliable watch movements ever made and it uses the magic lever system. I'd say it works pretty well even if not super efficient
Loved every second of it. Never would have thought the pieces in a watch were so tiny and there are way more pieces than just cogs, 3 arms and a spring! And it's nice to know jewels have more uses than just looking pretty. Keep it up with the breaking downs
@GulliNL
Жыл бұрын
Not trying to be pedantic, just want to enlighten you; the jewels they use in watch making are not the same jewels people would stick in a ring or a bracelet. They're often synthetic and mostly artificially colored to look red like rubies (that's why some manufacturers will list the amount of 'rubies' instead of 'jewels'). Their purpose is to act as a bearing, the material is incredibly hard (one hardness level below diamond) and they're oiled, so when the axle of one of the cogs rotates against it, it won't wear out as much.
@ViniSocramSaint
Жыл бұрын
@@GulliNL Yeah, learned about that these past 4 years. Most synthetic rubies are purple/lavender though, and learned about crystalline structures of metals that are even harder than diamonds. By the way, you should look into the uses of synthetic sapphires as long-life bearings - or types of quartz. Thanks for taking the time to educate, tho. That info would be gold for people that didn't know ^_^
WIRED, you need James May to do this.
@haydenfleetwood9261
5 жыл бұрын
toyotaprius79 he’s it a watchmaker
@robinrai4973
5 жыл бұрын
"Oh bollocks"
@opusfluke2354
5 жыл бұрын
Half the video would be him explaining the difference between Philips Headed and Japanese Industrial Standard screws.
@AboveSomething
5 жыл бұрын
after organizing them by size @@opusfluke2354
@Drive-n-Vibe
5 жыл бұрын
he does seem to collect watches but he'd be useless at this
I enjoy watching videos of watches getting serviced, but it can get a little tedious. Kudos to this guy for keep me on the edge of my seat the whole time
Amazing video!! Thank you so much. Beautifully done, very interesting, and professional. I can see that you are an artist. The attention to detail in the production of the video is superb.
20:20 Did you just remove the pallet fork bridge with power still on the watch? You naughty boy.
@ryanmjewell
5 жыл бұрын
Gabe Johnston just a smidge, but yeah...totally naughty
@bermchasin
4 жыл бұрын
Oh no! Who TF would remove the pallet fork bridge with power still on the watch. That is just what I was thinking... what a dummy .... uhh.. right guys??!
@JohnathanHendrix
3 жыл бұрын
Wow anyone should know thats a no-no.
@spittinvenom9671
3 жыл бұрын
Blasphemy
funny how his hat steals all the light he needs ^^
@Loic2020
5 жыл бұрын
God bless you
@chrisfi3d
5 жыл бұрын
Opposite of a good watch, lets form get in the way of function.
@glenjamindle
5 жыл бұрын
But m'lady
@jeremyjdl713
4 жыл бұрын
Reflected light?
@ado4224
3 жыл бұрын
He wore it for the camera. Normally people can't see his head balding.
I’m impressed by this type of dedication to details … small details. Thanks for sharing.
Fascinating. I would like to see the video of him putting them all back together.
Brilliant!! Please continue with this series !! They are awesome! I really enjoyed the two episodes so far!
Now put them back together.
@kokboru5502
5 жыл бұрын
thats what a watchmaker does
@Ryotsu2112
5 жыл бұрын
E. Fine That’s his job.
@matz306
5 жыл бұрын
#Constructed
@Josechpruiz
5 жыл бұрын
I would end with lot of leftover screws after re assembling it
@ganjaman59650
5 жыл бұрын
@@kokboru5502 then that's what he should have in the first place.
This is incredible! Update more amazing contents in this series please!
Keep in mind while watching this that some of his phrasing is very misleading. For example, when he says "the Japanese movement", he's referring to that specific Miyota caliber. Makes it sound like Japanese movements in general all share the same traits. Even Seiko's cheapest automatic movements wind in both directions. That's not something exclusive to the Swiss.
@jacobschouten9980
5 жыл бұрын
I believe him saying "Japanese movement" was contextual to the specific watch. Although I can definitely see where one might understand it as the watches' movements and parts are similar, I do not think that is what they were referring to.
@ChajisShorts
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. I myself know nothing of watches or watch brands for that matter. So I'm naturally neutral on the whole Swiss versus Japanese movements. So given that, I did feel like he was throwing shade towards anything Japanese made. He made it seem as if all Japanese watches were cheaply made. Of course some basic research could prove otherwise, like the fact that he's comparing two movements that are priced very differently but not everyone is going to take the time to do the searching. Other than that it was a cool teardown. This guy could be a surgeon with hands that steady 🤣
@ark_knight
4 жыл бұрын
@@ChajisShorts Oh he was definitely biased. He failed to mention that the Quartz crisis happened simply because Seiko released Astron. The first Quartz watch which brought a the whole watch luxury thing to its knees and to the common mass. There are many things Seiko is known for in the enthusiast community but the millennials, does it matter? Half the people are busy with 'finger condoms' apparently.
@thepjup4507
4 жыл бұрын
That really wasn't misleading at all. how can you not extrapolate that he is referring to "THE Japanese movement" as in THE watch that is in the video. You're being needlessly pedantic or you're dumb.
@ivanlagrossemoule
4 жыл бұрын
@@thepjup4507 Whenever the japanese are mentioned you get all the weebs absolutely needing to defend them, and with the watches you get the Seiko/Grand Seiko nuts defending them too.
Fascinating video! I’ve been doing a lot of research about watches for over a year now, including a lot of time looking at simulations of how a mechanical movement works. I understand this pretty well by now, but watching you disassemble two different very well known movements has just been amazing. I really appreciate your doing this and explaining it so clearly. I cannot imagine anyone having the skills to handle these microscopic parts, being someone with all the eye hand coordination of a rhinoceros! 😩 thanks very much for this great information.👍
This is awesome!
WOW!!!! What a video!!! I sat here completely captivated! I love the way you edit the two different views, and narrate with clear concise language... Thank you so much, for giving us a look, into the secret magical mystery world, of watchmaking! Utterly fascinating! You display such a vast amount of knowledge... and, at what appears to be such a young age! How did you become so knowledgeable, so early on? You have all my respect and admiration young man!!! My hat is off to you!
Totally mesmerizing! Thanks so much for this video! I just got into the hobby, more as a enthusiast than a collector.
Good video. I just wish he used comparable Japanese and Swiss movements. These movements are not comparable at all.
@lolcat23
5 жыл бұрын
Yes they are. Both entry level auto with date.
@ricardosime2654
5 жыл бұрын
One runs at 21600 bph while the other runs at 28800 bph. It would have been nice to see him use the Miyota 9015 instead.
@OilBaron
5 жыл бұрын
He's comparing two of the same carpenter watches; that 9015 movement isn't available in this series
@qmechkeys
5 жыл бұрын
@@lolcat23 The ETA 2824 is literally three times more expensive with more advanced functions
Both are outstanding, could maybe be a better comparison but it's a fun video. I love the Japanese movements even more than Swiss, for example Grand Seiko's in-house movements like the Hi-beat Cal. 9SA5
It’s really amazing how small all this stuff is and so precise
I took apart a watch once to fix a movement, and was so confused by all of the little pieces I couldn't put it back together. This is really a skilled trade.
Very entertaining, having worked in manufacturing I would find all the tooling and custom machines that made all those parts extremely interesting
@evindrews
5 жыл бұрын
I think that would be the most interesting part.
@jurivlk5433
5 жыл бұрын
+Russ Olson They were geniuses and made a lot by hand. Let's say 200 years ago they already had machines to put up some mass production, but earlier they filed the dented wheels all by hand. That's why watches were very expensives. I have a friend that is almost crazy and he is able to reproduce any part by hand or with a simple machine. And oh my God!, He can spend more than a day on a wheel!
It's like the most intense game of Operation ever, watching him pull those little parts out with tweezers.
Got "The carpenter watch with the swiss movement is $825 and the japanese movement retails for $595". Everything else is lost on me.
I'd say that the most iconic Japanese movement out there (simply by volume) is the Seiko NH35A. That's a far more refined movement than the Miyota 8000-series.
@kingofpentacles3213
Жыл бұрын
For current production, yes. But I’m pretty sure that there have been more 7S26/36 movements made overall.
@AvroBellow
Жыл бұрын
@@kingofpentacles3213 You could be right. I honestly don't know. All I know is that I have a ten year-old Invicta Grand Diver that has NEVER needed any servicing whatsoever and works perfectly even today. It of course has an NH35A.
@dmac1259
Жыл бұрын
@@AvroBellow thats like saying "i havent changed my oil in 25,000 miles and my car is still running!". your watch needs to be serviced.
@ronronn3148
Жыл бұрын
@@dmac1259 you're ignoring the fact an astonishingly affordable movement has held up for a decade without servicing. thats an amazing achievement for the people that made it, thats the point hes trying to make. its a 100ish dollar watch and hes gotten a decade with it. cant really compare this to a car.
@darthgiggity7948
11 ай бұрын
@@dmac1259 wow! What an astonishing and infallible analogy!
This makes me want a mechanical watch now just because of the incredible intricacies of them. I knew they were complicated but wow that is insane.
@thomasdrysdale4240
2 жыл бұрын
Prices only start at like 100 bucks
@obviousgreyman
2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasdrysdale4240 what are some good brands that are around that price?
@hathaway.1166
2 жыл бұрын
@@obviousgreyman None, if you really want a good watch with a decent movements, start at $300 or above. Baltic, Seiko, Hamilton, Orient and Tissot are the best brands I can think of.
@obviousgreyman
2 жыл бұрын
@@hathaway.1166 that’s what I thought I was being a bit of a smartass with that guy I thought he’d at least have a recommendation.
@hathaway.1166
2 жыл бұрын
@@obviousgreyman 😅
the swiss flag is square. kind regards, a swiss guy
@tipsysmichigander6483
5 жыл бұрын
If the issue is not sports and world-wide joy, but politics, then the Swiss flag is kept square, like outside the U.N. headquarters in New York and Geneva. Nepal and Switzerland are the only countries within the United Nations not showing the standard rectangular 2:3 flag but the original proportions.
@Apoz
5 жыл бұрын
@@tipsysmichigander6483 Don't call it a flag then?
@georgejpg
5 жыл бұрын
@@tipsysmichigander6483 There are plenty of flags that aren't 2:3.
@tipsysmichigander6483
5 жыл бұрын
@@georgejpg Yes, there are, I did not suggest there were not any.
@DavidGonzalezSamudio
5 жыл бұрын
With all the watchmaking money, you sure can afford the rest of the flag. BTW, what is it with the holes in the cheese, is it related? do you need some bank credit?
This is why like browsing through KZread. I would never think of looking for this type of video, but I watched it right through and learned some things about mechanical watches.
This is by far one of the best show when addressing watches: the inside works is the very heart of it. (Outstanding PR ) A must see for every: Swiss watch buyer
"While Japan isn't necessarily known for its watchmaking" You are the frog in the well that knows nothing of the great ocean. lol
@JETBLACKPRIEST
5 жыл бұрын
He isn't necessarily wrong, the average consumer would likely recognise Japan for their culture, pop culture, cars, etc etc before watch making, you kinda gotta be a watch guy to know about it
@Ruminatee
4 жыл бұрын
Aussie Viking II everyone knows what seiko is
@JamesMinerTattoo
4 жыл бұрын
Ruminate yeah but the swiss are world famous for luxury mechanicals. That was his point
@benjaminschmidt3612
4 жыл бұрын
@@Ruminatee Didn't know it was japanese. Just assumed it was a fancy name.
@engeenir7440
4 жыл бұрын
OK nerd
This video should have added more commentary and analysis on the differences between the watches and how they tie in with the price difference. For example, how do the Swiss and Japanese come up with different solutions to the same problem and what are the pros and cons? Then, we could actually learn something useful.
Loved this so much, i love watches and seeing this grows my appreciation for the craft
Absolutely fascinating. My uncle is (was - retired) a watchmaker for Watches of Switzerland - a high end proprietor of watches. I wish I'd considered it seriously when I was younger.
@PHlophe
Жыл бұрын
Iain you can still do it. don't let your uncle's knowledge go to waste. you need to pick his brain
For me is interesting part is the level of precision manufacturing on those small pieces he kept pulling out. And also I'm wondering if those pieces are assembled by a watchmaker by hand or is it like a factory process where all of this is automated.
@Dragonwar0
8 ай бұрын
To answer your 4 year old comment. By hand 😂
13:23 - While it's true that the jewels are synthetic corundum, it is still accurate to call them rubies, because rubies _are_ corundum. So are sapphires. The only difference is the impurities that give the corundum its color. (in its pure form it's clear, which is why it can be used for watch faces as well.) Also, they aren't just used for friction reduction, they're also used for _wear_ reduction. The ratchet engages and disengages 250,000 times PER DAY, and watches are generally used for DECADES. Metal parts would wear-out in a few months at best in that scenario.
@benjaminbarrera214
5 жыл бұрын
The old Timex watches used Armalloy metal bearings, no jewels at all. But by then people believed the number of jewels in a watch was an indication of quality, so the jewels are still there to justify the high price.
Outstanding video of the tear downs with clear explanations.
8:51 That was like showing us watches' heart that still beats
Hamilton still makes watches, but in Switzerland. I have one and I love it!!! Great brand.
This was really cool please do more episodes!!
@WIRED
5 жыл бұрын
This was actually the second episode in our series, [De]constructed. Here's the first, about a 1974 Harley Shovelhead: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iZNt0LKKdr20crA.html . Thanks for watching -- and commenting!
@clray123
5 жыл бұрын
We need a surgeon deconstructing a living patient.
It's amazing how reliable these things are with such tiny pieces
My Brain at 2AM: Why don't we watch someone deconstruct a watch Me: Perfect!!
He cares about not getting finger oils on the components but he touched nearly every piece with his index finger with a big hole ripped in the latex protector.
@em0_tion
5 жыл бұрын
It's a demonstration, can you not complain and just appreciate what you witnessed? I'm sure he does a lot more stuff to such watches that he can't show us and we won't even comprehend. That was just the disassembly of 2 brand new watches, imagine repairing a broken and dirty old watch... Can't be perfect in everything, at least he is in what actually matters.
@WESTSIDEBBB
5 жыл бұрын
@@em0_tion Nobody is allowed to complain or comment on the broken finger condoms, got it. ATinyWaffle needs to relax, he's freaking out over nothing, right.
@ViniciusLemosvl
5 жыл бұрын
finger condoms*
@flybeep1661
5 жыл бұрын
@@WESTSIDEBBB Get lost with that stupid sarcasm snowflake.
@bitfreakazoid
5 жыл бұрын
It's a legitimate point. Not to mention only has them on the one hand, but at times uses his other hand to manipulate something.
Of course, Seiko automatics wind in both directions. I think most Miyota autos are only unidirectional.
I love watches ...great description of internal parts. Thanks.
Thank you KZread for finally recommending a good vid and thank you watchmaker for the epic breakdown. I now am a fan of the art⌚️
I love this. My brother got into trouble for 'deconstructing' a watch. He was 5 at the time. I sent this right off to him.
@TheDavemarz
5 жыл бұрын
I took everything apart as a child. I even broke a car door once. And now I'm a mechanical engineer and I take things apart, fix them, rebuild them or design replacements and get payed for it. I feel that kind of curiosity should be encouraged.
"while Japan isn't necessarily known for its watchmaking" C A S I O
@diogeneslantern18
5 жыл бұрын
@@bodhisativaa Citizen, Miyota, Orient
@MegaZidzid
4 жыл бұрын
Q&Q
@syedmohdfasihnaqvi155
4 жыл бұрын
First quartz watch- Seiko First Digital watch - Casio First Spring drive movement - Grand Seiko First Kinetic movement - Seiko First solar watch- Seiko First Artificial Light Powered watch- Citizen ( Ecodrive) And they are saying Japan isn't known for watchmaking
@UnburnableCow
3 жыл бұрын
@@syedmohdfasihnaqvi155 Yes everyone who is into watches can recognise this but your average person on the street wouldn't. Stop being pretentious you bunch of snobs
@syltkaka9816
3 жыл бұрын
@@UnburnableCow they are not snobs, they were just pointing out and correcting an obviously false statement.
We need more of these!
Loved the part at 23:30, especially the "people will wear something that is a reflection of themselves, is how they express themselves, by the watches they choose
If you do another one of these, use movements of similar price range. You compared an economical Japanese movement to a high-end Swiss. Next time, make sure they’re in the same price bracket. That would make this a much more credible video.
@c.san.8751
Жыл бұрын
@DiscoFalcon Not really a high end swiss movement.
@mygamingchannel8555
Жыл бұрын
Japan usually focus more on quality and reliability.. They skip the decorations.. But there are also high end japanese movement which are greatly decorated
@matthewmeredith3138
Жыл бұрын
The point of this video wasn't to say which of the two is better, it was just to show two different movements..... Not everything has to be a competition.
@MazdaRX7007
Жыл бұрын
The problem with your request, is that the japanese would make something much better for much cheaper.
@c.san.8751
Жыл бұрын
@@matthewmeredith3138 No, but it usually is - human nature.
GS springdrive is objectively the best movement in existence at the moment
Great video, you should do a breakdown/deconstructed video on quartz, solar quartz, kinetic, and spring drive movements.
very cool video. learnt a lot. thanks for sharing. please continue to post videos like this.
Good education.. I liked it because I am a mechanical watch lover !!!! I love both Swiss and Japan
9:20 VERY important step skipped here: Release all of the mainspring tension before removing any of the gear train bridges. Preferably, remove the pallet bridge first (after releasing mainspring tension) to make sure absolutely no energy is left in the mainspring.
Fantastic….interesting, fascinating, and it explains the odd stutter on my Miyota watch movement second hand….indirect drive. many thanks for this.
I really like this video. I'do electronics as a hobby and I solder less than a millimeter components sometime. I appreciate the mastery of doing such small scale parts. If it would be me, I would be shaking all other the screen. Seing mechanical watches that way made me realize that they are much more than their prices. There are some much really fine precision parts, it is astonishing for metal parts. I also have a question. This tweezers seems gold plated. But what kind of tweezers should watch mainteners use ? I can think of non magnetic ones, ceramic ones, ... What is the kind you use ?
I'm a huge fan of Seiko chronographs.... I collect 6139 calibres, these were incredibly good value back in their day. Now wearing a Sport 5, and cannot overstate the value for money of these mechanical movements.... Swiss cannot touch these for price to quality ratio. BTW, your watchmaker should really not be breathing on the open movements ...
@luchadorito
5 жыл бұрын
Which 6139s do you have? I had my eyes on them for a while but the prices are skyrocketing
@nocturnalmayhem0
5 жыл бұрын
@@luchadorito the best value in 6139 are the yellow dials i got one for 550 the silver dials (more rare) are shootin over 1000 dollars now
@luchadorito
5 жыл бұрын
@@nocturnalmayhem0 Really? In my experience the cheap ones tend to be the 6139-6015s but that might be just my region
@TimB33
5 жыл бұрын
I'm just starting to collect 6139's. I'm planning on having ago at a service on one of the beaters in a week or two.
@MrMegaTubs
5 жыл бұрын
Have you ever had one apart to understand their "value for money"? Garish designs, hugely overpriced vintage market catering to Hodinkee Hipsters.
6:41 " It's a yoke!!!" - Fernando Alonso
@me-zb7qm
5 жыл бұрын
Adam Song A YOKE!!!
@logwind
5 жыл бұрын
GP2 engine. GP2.
@kronos1850
4 жыл бұрын
This is the first chickEn,a bit of a long chickEn
@sultanabran1
3 жыл бұрын
what an idiot. hulkenburg was right.
The guy is genuinely happy while working on the watch.
Autopsy of a Swiss Watch vs. Japanese Watch, and both served me very well for years. A Seiko 5 SNK789 vs. a Tissot Automatic. Both bought in Dubai, both loyal serving YEARS later. Pick your taste. My wife laid claim to the Seiko, and I busted the Tissot on an Engineering Job, both breathlessly amazing engineered watches... appreciate the workmanship of both, pick your heart, choose, and you can’t go wrong. A Walmart Timex in quartz movement is actually more dependable- these are for gentleman and ladies who appreciate complications and engineering, an art as well as a science. A Masterpiece on your arm, no matter the cost. Both are mentally overwhelming at the price. Enjoy your purchase, and the sweat, labor, and meticulous machining and hand design that went into making a modern marvel, both will serve you well, and has my total respect, admiration, and awe!
imagine being halfway through a watch and suddenly sneezing
Very nicely paced disassembly and commentary. The ETA seems like a better movement than the Miyota but the difference in price seems disproportionate. The lack of a hacking mechanism and the use of a plastic gear in the Miyota would move most discerning buyers towards the Swiss movement. Also, the ETA 2824 has 4 (or 5?) different accuracy grades (timing stability in multiple positions). How would you rate the two movements in terms of reliability, maintainability, and repairability?
@dmac1259
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, he definitely made the swiss movement look better by choosing a lower tier japanese movement to compare it to.
Hamilton is still around though, they just moved to Switzerland and are part of the Swatch group. It's one of my favorite brands, I have 3 of them and they're great!
Great video, as a learning amateur I really learnt a lot. many thanks.
Mechanical watches came back because modern computer-based production techniques made it possible to produce highly accurate parts for a resonable price. Up to the 70s, every cogwheel had to be either made by hand or by automatic production techniques with more specification tolerance resulting in less accurate watches.
“The acids in your skin permanently etch into the plating and finish” Me: sees hole in finger cot...
Fascinating to look at the precision parts inside of a watch...so very cool...!!!
What a wonderful peek at this amazing skill. Many of us are so passionate about wristwatches.
Seiko was founded in 1877.... Rolex in 1905... Just to give the people some perspective on what the narrator considers "not being known for their watchmaking" talking about Japan...
@lolcat23
5 жыл бұрын
Vacheron constantin in 1755. Not throwing any shade on Japanese watches (love me some seiko). But the fact is Japan is not known for watchmaking, does not have a prominent history in watchmaking (compared the English, French or Swiss).
@fiftyfive567
5 жыл бұрын
@@lolcat23 Japanese watchmaking caused the biggest crisis for Swiss watchmakers in the history of their existence with the proliferation of quarz movements back in the days... That is quite some history, I would say. It would not be fair to reduce the Japanese watchmaking to that example, but it is the most obvious.
@fiftyfive567
5 жыл бұрын
@@lolcat23 the example of Rolex vs seiko was only to show the point that one of the most recognized watch brands by the non-enthusiasts + enthusiasts does not really have a lot more history then seiko. In fact there is only a hand full of manufacturers that are close to seiko...
@fiftyfive567
5 жыл бұрын
@@PyCoder82 is 141 years a lot of watchmaking history for a company? If you say it isn't, then you are right with the assumption that the Japanese don't have any... The comparison with Rolex was just to give some perspective so that people understand that there are well known Swiss brands that objectively don't offer more history...
@justin.booth.
5 жыл бұрын
I think he just meant that more people are familiar with Swiss watches, he was not commenting on quality. People associate watches/watchmaking more with Switzerland than Japan.
I read too quickly and thought the title said "Watchmaker Breaks Down Swiss Cheese". Oh well, this is interesting too.
@janson2911
5 жыл бұрын
I honestly finna watch a video with a title like that
@ag8325
4 жыл бұрын
We are watching this, let's be honest, we would watch that too
Really fascinating . Thank you.
Fascinating...well documented and finely crafted piece of videography. Hats off to ya moi man. I love these tiny, tiny pieces. I don't know why but maybe because I've been a mechanic and fabrication tech for the last 45 years. I'm definitely gonna do more to take apart these intricate devices. Thank you so much...for the push.
Such mechanism does exactly the same and less accurately than a 1mm chip with a tiny quartz crystal, it's amazing how much we have progressed, watchmaking is an acient art in a way.
@notaspy_3604
3 жыл бұрын
Mechanical watches are still better
@FirstNameLastName-kt3zn
2 жыл бұрын
@@notaspy_3604 no they are not. A quartz watch is always more accurate
Finally, a condom in my size.
@TheSchmed
3 жыл бұрын
Torres is not an Irish name ;)
@ClickClack_Bam
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSchmed I'm Scots-Irish. I'm 6'4 & your girl would definitely be guessing I'm 10+ inches. ;)
@TheSchmed
3 жыл бұрын
@@ClickClack_Bam I’m Italian / Irish, born in Dublin, Ireland, actually been there numerous times to see my family, I know the exact spot on Irish soil I was born.
Such astounding engineering.. really fascinating. Who could put that thing together after disassembled like that?
This is one of the best videos of its kind on YT..
Why is the japanese movement cheaper than the swiss one if the swiss one uses fewer parts? Is it because of the additional automatic function of the swiss one?
@Kletterhaus
5 жыл бұрын
They are both automatic. Swiss Watches are generally more expensive.
@yordlejay6820
5 жыл бұрын
Swiss watches are considered to be the best quality of craftsmanship you can have for watches
@namenikename1121
5 жыл бұрын
The price of a swiss engineer is higher than a japanese one, and in the swiss watch there's absolutely no plastic.
@jr_kulik
5 жыл бұрын
The Swiss one is just much better quality, that shouldn’t be a surprise.
@snoworder
5 жыл бұрын
as you might see in the video some japanese components are made of plastic and some components are not as efficient as swiss (reverse rotary).
to anyone who getting triggered by this video, just bare in mind this video were made by wired, so basically for hipster and millennial. its not for deep horology discussion.
@REDnBLACKnRED
5 жыл бұрын
I realise that, but it biases any new watch lovers against Japanese movements/watches and falsely perpetuates the supposed superiority of the Swiss. Can't help but get triggered. P.S - I'm a millennial myself. Thanks for the stereotype.
@NathanChisholm041
5 жыл бұрын
I'm sure they had some Pabst beers after while listening to vinal on a early record player
@MrWizardjr9
3 жыл бұрын
idk i feel like its a boomer attitude that swiss watches are always superior
This is a keeper. The best explanation. Note I am now learning this a hobby. After working as a doctor for 37 years , I needed a hobby . Something better than model cars or airplanes. Thank you my friend. You are very good
Amazing video! Fascinating stuff! I have a 49mm Oris Prodiver Date. I love my watch. 😊