You can support me directly and get access to my members-only Discord by going to www.patreon.com/CinemaStix On there I’ll also be posting bonus material, supplementary clips, extended interviews, and other stuff to lead discussions. Plus more perks to come. Should be good. Happy Star Wars Day! Danny Boyd

@Venzynt

Ай бұрын

Stop begging

@CinemaStix

Ай бұрын

I’m a one-man show. Asking for help is never easy. Nor is depending on others when I’m used to doing so much on my own. But KZread is also my joy and my livelihood. And it’s only possible because of the help I get from my community.

@TheJacklikesvideos

Ай бұрын

"no wonder star wars dialogue is so mid" please keep this title. it made me chuckle and click the video!

@thegoodgeneral

Ай бұрын

@@Venzynt stop negging.

@MumRah

Ай бұрын

​@@thegoodgeneralagreed. DB is the best.

"you say you're a Star Wars fan but you don't even watch it in the original Japanese dub."

@VikingMale

Ай бұрын

Have you seen the Italian version

@EkiToji

Ай бұрын

The only way I can get through Episode 3 is if I watch the badly translated into Chinese and then back into English sub or dub of Backstroke of the West.

@KameronJ7

Ай бұрын

I view it as it's meant to be seen, in the original Klingon.

@Treblaine

Ай бұрын

@@KameronJ7 I see you are a man of culture as well.

@paulnolan4971

Ай бұрын

It' s somehow dry.....and coarse. I don't like it.

Star Wars fans can argue about the dialogue, about characters about CGI and the screenplays. But all Star Wars fans universally love John Williams‘ music.

@Bowiiihowdy

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. Even the worse movies like prequals or the ones he did in the sequal trilogy the music is still top notch

@fuzzblightyear145

Ай бұрын

yes. thank the Maker they didn't go for a 70's disco track

@miguelandresforerodelgadil3059

Ай бұрын

Well, I remember a little heated discussion on Giacchino's work for Rogue One back when it premiered... But aside from that, yeah, universal agreement.

@babababad

Ай бұрын

Except the people who say he's just a very clever ripoff artist, for writing too close to his influences.

@wolframflorian

Ай бұрын

@@babababad No “ripoff-artist” would ever be allowed near the Vienna philharmonic orchestra let alone conduct them, playing his own music.

"Star Wars isn't about the dialogue." Yeah, we noticed George.

@hylianro

Ай бұрын

😂 for real though the only movie with great dialogue is ep 5

@HahsJeje

Ай бұрын

Accurate 😂

@russianoverkill3715

Ай бұрын

​@@hylianrowhich George had almost nothing to do with.

@hylianro

Ай бұрын

@@russianoverkill3715 exactly that's why I said that

@zorglubmagnus455

Ай бұрын

Episode IV had tons of memorable lines. Episode V too. Ep I II III VII are just pathetic.

That's what makes the old Lego games so great...following the slimmed down story beats without any dialogue and a touch of slapstick humor make for an iconic and timeless game!

@TactileTherapy

Ай бұрын

Be careful that you remove the inherent bias just about we all possess for already seeing these movies countless times and preemptively knowing the scenes before they happen. To truly appreciate what a silent SW film is, it is incumbent upon us to beseech someone who has no previous SW film viewing experience

@jesustovar2549

Ай бұрын

I actually liked to say the dialogue from the movies when playing the Lego games, I immited each character's voice, including females.

@Jeremy-ot6pb

Ай бұрын

@@TactileTherapy did you just learn what a thesaurus is

@Chris-lr2qb

Ай бұрын

@@Jeremy-ot6pb Definitely a bot

@Dualis58

Ай бұрын

can you shush? ​@@TactileTherapy

There is this interview with Harrison Ford where he admits that, in the beginning, he and the others weren't taking Lucas and the movie very seriously... Then there was this music recording, or test screening, the first 20 minutes of the movie with the orchestra "And we understood we were actually part of something great, and we never made fun of George again"

@Simpson17866

Ай бұрын

"And we understood we were actually part of something great, and we never made fun of George again" Why not both? :D

@ZeroShaneBob

29 күн бұрын

Makes sense though, because Sci-Fi films were mostly kids films or very low budget TV shows back then, and I'd imagine to them it would be like filming for a new Spy Kids movie in 2024. Star Wars was cutting edge for its time thanks to George and his team.

@tiltskillet7085

28 күн бұрын

Ford and Hamill have been making fun of George for years. Although I think affectionately.

@obscure.reference

28 күн бұрын

@@Simpson17866 because they understood its value? what do you mean

@alex52043

27 күн бұрын

@@ZeroShaneBob Star Wars is still cutting edge. None of the modern special effects beat it.

On silent films: I remember once reading about the international popularity of Mr Bean, as language just isn't relevant to the gags.

@jesustovar2549

Ай бұрын

You know, once Charles Chaplin met and praised Benny Hill.

@miguelandresforerodelgadil3059

Ай бұрын

Can confirm, most people here might not know a single word in english and still recognize him inmediately

@vestavind

Ай бұрын

When the teddy bear lost its head, I felt that

@DivineEternalOne

29 күн бұрын

When I was in Nepal, I found a Mr. Bean video game at a stall that sold pirated games. Didn't even know Mr. Bean had a video game.

@ano_nym

23 күн бұрын

@@DivineEternalOne I hope you bought it.

This is why Genndy Tartakovsky was perfectly chosen to make the original animated Clone Wars. From Samurai Jack (or even from some Dexter episodes) you could already tell he understood Kurosawa-style storytelling.

@russianoverkill3715

Ай бұрын

Tartakovsky made Jedi Council actually feel like it's comprised of the most skilled Jedi masters and who all discuss problems, not just Yoda and Mace Windu.

@Christian-ri2uf

Ай бұрын

Makes sense. His newer series Primal is done completely without dialogue, save the occasional grunts and roars.

@russianoverkill3715

Ай бұрын

@@Christian-ri2uf but when it does have dialogue it's still great, loved that modern day episode about those scientists.

@ender7278

Ай бұрын

There's very little dialog in that series.

@akirafuto7783

Ай бұрын

Hot take this was the superior Clone Wars. It fits so much better between episodes 2 and 3 and doesn’t really retcon anything. Not to mention you can watch it all in one sitting lol

Imagine a black and white edit of Star Wars, but the light sabers are in colour

@jesustovar2549

Ай бұрын

I watch that.

@AstralLass469

Ай бұрын

There was a SW Visions episode (called The Duel) on D+ that had the sabers and blaster fire alone in color. It was intentionally made to resemble the visual style of the Kurosawa films. I recommend seeing it!

@akunekochan

Ай бұрын

Ah yes... The Schindler List approach

@thomasbrooks8188

Ай бұрын

​@@AstralLass469 I just watched the Japanese dub of this after reading your comment and it's one of the sickest things I've ever seen, thank you

@newsaxonyproductions7871

Ай бұрын

Ooh that'd be cool

I was born 1980 - I have an auditory processing disorder so it was years before I saw it with captions and understood even half the dialog. I didn’t realize I loved original Star Wars so much because it was essentially a silent film.

This helps explain why the prequels are so endlessly meme-able. The prequels have a straightforward visual clarity that, even devoid of context - perhaps from the point of view from someone who has never even seen them, is still crystal clear. Then by adding humorous text (not unlike a subtitle or silent movie text card), these memes are able to convey so much information with just one or a few simple images.

@davidmoorcroft7117

Ай бұрын

In a similar vein, this video compares the dialogue to Lucas' sound effects. "King of Wooden Dialogue" kzread.info/dash/bejne/hWl5j8eMlLXQiNY.htmlsi=tS7jvPZvAJrgykwi

@jesustovar2549

Ай бұрын

You could argue that too with Sam Raimi 'Spider-Man trilogy, it's so memeable, it's a contemporary of the prequels.

@slackolantern

22 күн бұрын

Huh, I never thought of it like that. It makes sense that you can meme it because you can get the point across so many different ways with just four photos of two people.

@rafaelc.c.

22 күн бұрын

I really appreciate Lucas's purity in terms of direction and writing. Naturality is so underrated compared to how pretentious films often are nowadays, like Dune or EEAAO.

@someguy9496

19 күн бұрын

It’s memable because they have stupid dialogue and are bad films not because they’re good

Imagine "no I am your father" without the dialogue.

Opera is actually an interesting analogy. Similar ideas of minimal dialog, and mostly emotions are expressed through music, often with words in another language.

@bigol9223

19 күн бұрын

Even Lucas called it a space opera, and a soap opera.

Fascinating video, but I would suggest that Ben Burtt's sound design is almost as much a part of the audible legend of Star Wars as John Williams' music. Maybe you could experience the movie without DIALOGUE, but definitely not without SOUND.

When I was less than 10 years old, we had this DVD with Attack of the Clones at home. We used to watch it over and over with my younger brother and it was one of our favourite movies. We're Polish and the DVD was in English, which we barely spoke or understood at the time.

@christianriddler5063

18 күн бұрын

Same, I'm Scanian Swedish, I didn't understand anything they said in Star wars, Lord of the rings or Titanic lol. But I understood the story, even though I didn't speak english I understood what was happening and I think it affected me. As a result, when I watch movies as an adult, it matters far more to me what the emotions of the characters are, the tone of their voice, the music, the scenery, the expressions, what they say doesn't matter nearly as much. Yet I still fully appreciate the story lol.

I noticed about eight years ago that you can tell A LOT about a movie (which cast members in a movie are getting along, Whether the leads have any chemistry, how good the Cinematography is good or not.) by simply WATCHING THE FILM WITHOUT THE SOUND ON. It has been an educating experience.

@blodhthringa

10 күн бұрын

I unintentionally realize this every time I am at big get together (Usually some holiday family get together) and the TV has a random movie on, but the sound is muted. There have been countless films that I just can't watch muted. However, there are a few that I can just sit and watch with no sound. If those movies have good scores, you can bet that they are probably fantastic films.

@pacershark452

10 күн бұрын

@@blodhthringa Agreed. I recently took a peek at my personal movie collection and found the dualist (1977) and decided to take a peek at it. It was TWENTY MINUTES before I realized how much time had passed. I realized later that even if the sound had been off, THE RESULT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME. that's how good the movie is.

The Kurosawa re-edit of Star Wars is a genius idea...

@jnnx

Ай бұрын

It really isn’t.

@pinkfloyd873

Ай бұрын

Anyone know where you can watch the whole thing?

@xj3ewok

Ай бұрын

So someone made and put it in post on reddit. I just did a web search for kurosawa re-edit of star wars and it came up

@leikeylosh

Ай бұрын

@empatheticrambo4890 It's actually insulting to the legacy of Kurosawa.

@empatheticrambo4890

Ай бұрын

@@leikeylosh how do you mean?

Rewatching "The Phantom Menace" in theaters yesterday just made me appreciate William's genius even more. The ending victorious music being a remix of Palatines theme (hinting at who really won), subtly putting in some of Vader's theme in Annie's theme ("The ending credits theme" is a good way to hear annie's theme in full), and of course "Duel of the Fates".

@joshuatso2052

25 күн бұрын

The sound editing in that movie is amazing. I rewatched it with the stereo on, and wow, the amount of detail from podracer uniqueness and foreshadowing melodic memes, makes it a great storytelling. Lucas did a good job story telling seperately in a visual, music (auditory), and dialogue ways.

@LethinGabbins

21 күн бұрын

Darth jar jar being removed from subsequent episodes was the buggest mistake George ever made. That would have been the best "if you go back and look," reveals

@snazzle9764

20 күн бұрын

@@LethinGabbins The "darth Jar Jar" thing is a myth. George described him as inspired by Goofy

@LethinGabbins

18 күн бұрын

@snazzle9764 yea, but there is lots of e idence in episode 1 as well as being palps go to. Jar jar was the reason the senate voted to give Palpatine emergency powers. Jar jar was replaced by doku out of nowhere.

@A7XdemesticPk

15 күн бұрын

@@LethinGabbins jar jar isn't the reason lol, he's only the one proposing that to the senate..

Silence is one of the most powerful tools in cinema. There's a reason why great directors like Dennis Villeneuve favorite other aspects of cinematic communication over dialogue.

The whole movie should be Black and White But the Lightsabers being Red and Blue. That would be amazing

Man the OG Lego Star Wars games were *so* good, in fact they were such exceptional games that when they added spoken dialogue to the newer releases I was really sad. I get that they wanted to innovate and stick with the times, and there are lots of great moments in the newer ones too, but the originals were *so* clever and funny and some of the gags to get around zero dialogue were amazing

@stevecarter8810

Ай бұрын

Adding dialog to move with the times is bs. It just means we want to save time and money by using less nuance and expertise. Probably because the money people are talking louder than the experts.

@ZeroShaneBob

29 күн бұрын

@@stevecarter8810 Not sure you are making sense. It'd cost a lot more money to hire a bunch of voice actors than a few animators to make silent scenes. The issue IMO is that the budgets for video games is out of control, and everything has to be the "biggest ever" with Hollywood actors, and huge worlds with tons of collectibles, and $40 DLCs. It's hard for a AAA game to be made with any passion when there's shareholders breathing down a studios neck that has 400 plus people, who BTW, all have their own ideas for how a game should be made.

@bigol9223

19 күн бұрын

"The times" don't really have much to do with it. Not like a game full of non-dialogue was "the times" when Lego star wars first came out either.

When they started adding actual voice lines to Lego Games, the magic was lost. For the original Police game, that's fair because it's an original story, but for movie games like Star Wars...I haven't gotten any recently

@markmickman

Ай бұрын

You can actually turn the dialog off

@captain___waffles

Ай бұрын

The latest, Skywalker Saga game, has an option in the menu to turn on mumble mode, which is what they call the old dialogue style.

@xipheonj

Ай бұрын

Switching the dialog to mumble mode doesn't fix the problem though, they changed how they adapt the scenes to include the dialog in order to understand the story, removing it leaves an obvious dialog shaped hole. I remember feeling so disappointed when I played the Skywalker Saga and the story was just so boring compared to my memories of the original games. The dialog existing at all ruins it, whether it's been turned off or not.

@captain___waffles

Ай бұрын

@@xipheonj I actually didn't know that, but now that you say it it makes total sense. I picked up Skywalker Saga back when it came out, never actually got around to trying it. I guess the pacing of cutscenes is based around the dialogue being there, and the sheer amount of work required to make the mumble mode a true classic option would be too much. That's really a shame, then. Less time for slapstick jokes and gags!

@ZoomerUnion

Ай бұрын

Just be honest and say you outgrew them. It's OK to not be a child anymore.

Your essay made me realize that I never truly grasped how Star Wars is a Space *Opera*. The way you built things up, demonstrating everything that is told and shown by everything else but dialog, ending on those Japanese-dubbed b&w versions, and dropping the term like the cherry on top... it made it click. Thank you.

“Reach out…with your feelings”

The lengths people will go to not think about anything but a handful of topics is astounding.

"i don't speak Japanese, i took 3 years of it in High School and remember nothing" that is me but with Spanish lmao

@jesustovar2549

Ай бұрын

I'm venezuelan, I could teach you, it's very simple compared to japanese.

@welfaiewfb8802

Ай бұрын

lo siento

@skarppost4322

Ай бұрын

oh my dear french class... I can barly remember you

@jonahs4819

Ай бұрын

I took German from 7th grade all the way thru my junior year of college. That’s 9 years. It’s been 6 years since then and I lost the vast majority of it. A second language is like a muscle, you NEED to flex it frequently and treat it like exercising. If you don’t, it will wither away in a heartbeat.

@kjj26k

Ай бұрын

When it comes to second languages, use it or lose it. If you don't have anyone to speak that second language to in your daily or at least weekly life, it may be a pointless endeavor to learn in the first place, unless you will keep yourself practiced.

Am I the only one who really likes that purple fuzzy dress that Padme wears in episode 3 when Odi wan reveals Anakin had gone evil?

It makes so much sense that Gendy Tartakovsky got tapped to direct the 2003 clone wars animated shorts. He’s one of the all time greats as far as directing cartoons with little to no dialogue.

John Williams and Marcia Lucas are responsible for so much of what Star Wars is

7:44 My favourite Kurosawa film.

@HeatherHolt

Ай бұрын

😂

@user-zi8zx9bu7y

Ай бұрын

Truly one of his finest.

I was not prepared for the Japanese dub in the last third lol

the best scene in all of star wars for me is the moment where Anakin is quietly reflecting on his choice in revenge of the sith when he's sat in the temple looking out towards Padme's estate

"quiet film" are always really good. Minimize dialogue but still allow just enough exposition to clear up what's going on.

Star Wars without dialogue is the main way it DOES work. I mean, look at the scene at sunset where Anakin is in the Jedi Temple staring out across the horizon towards Padme's apartment, wondering if he should betray Palpatine or the Jedi.

@joshuafischer684

20 күн бұрын

Episode 3 is a close second to Empire for the best Star Wars film, and it has the best suite of music by a mile. That one scene (Anakin's Anguish I believe it's officially titled) proves categorically that Hayden Christensen is a good actor and Lucas a good director.

If you watch it silently you'll miss such great lines like: "I don't like sand..."

@jaaxlo

21 күн бұрын

Whats wrong with that line? Think of the context: Anakin has been taught to be a stoic monk for the past 10 years, then he is reintroduced to his lifetime long crush and theyre in a romantic setting. He is socially awkward with his crush, something alot of us can relate to.

@thatHARVguy

21 күн бұрын

@@jaaxlo His 8 years on Tatooine, his male influences were his slave owner and freighter pilots (space truckers). The very first thing he said to Padme was "Are you an angel?". Socially awkward indeed.

@Albtraum_TDDC

21 күн бұрын

@@jaaxlo "It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth." *KISS* Yeah, great writing. I wish they'd reused this line in Dune. Since Star Wars basically stole everything from Dune anyway, maybe Dune could steal this idiocy back. Or maybe not. Yeah definitely not. This is silly.

@jaaxlo

21 күн бұрын

@@Albtraum_TDDC you have an actual argument or are you just gonna whine?

@Albtraum_TDDC

21 күн бұрын

@@thatHARVguy wasn't he like 9 years old at the time? That's not socially awkward time, that's adorable time.

This is all good but if the films were actually silent, I think the "Leia's my sister" line would be lost on me considering the visual context around it.

a big part of my job is to localize movies & tv for major streaming platforms, and one of my FAVORITE things to do is create a japanese dub. doesn't matter what the content is, it always makes it 10x better

I like the idea of watching them as a black and white film. Also maybe that is why some of the more cheesy dialogue never annoyed me.

@jesustovar2549

Ай бұрын

Tbh, a lot of the dialogue sounds better in the mexican/latin american dub of the movies, especially for the prequels, even Darth Vader's voice sounds pretty idéntical to James Earl Jones. As you say, maybe that's why the dialogue never bothered me.

@miguelandresforerodelgadil3059

Ай бұрын

Sometimes I like to _mess_ a little with saturation while watching in my laptop, and let me tell you... No one is ready for B&W Blade Runner 2049 Many more transform amazingly well too

Which is why Lucas doesn’t care if a lot of the time, the dialogue he writes doesn’t resemble how humans talk.

@TonySpike

19 күн бұрын

Well Tarantino dosnt know how actual humans talk either, but nobody seems to bother him about it 😂

i wanted to see star wars scenes without dialogue, but this is star wars with a voice over

Obi-Wan:” “ Anakin:” “

Many children watch videos over and over. I listened to the Star Wars score LPs over and over as a child. On my parents' four-channel hi-fi. I had it memorized. ...This is also what made the Lucasfilm video games of the 80s so great. X-Wing shifted the themes around as the battles shifted. You knew you were doing well when the Rebel theme rushed through your Soundblaster and announced your relief ships arriving.

Take away: Star Wars is one big music video

@jesustovar2549

Ай бұрын

I acrually remember liking the music already before I even watched the films, also I played Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga and then watched it.

@ScradleyCS

Ай бұрын

"Space Opera" Lucas says this all the time

@Grant-Shillings

Ай бұрын

That’s a totally different statement. You missed the point of the video

@richardlehoux

Ай бұрын

Good one

@richardlehoux

Ай бұрын

@@Grant-Shillings the video point is that it’s like silent movie not movie without sound.

7:48 Without colour, Anakin looks like a dark spot surrounded by light

Backstroke of the West remains the definitive Star Wars edit.

I have to give it to Lucas. He knew dialogue was his weakest skill in crafting a story, so he worked around it by hiring who would become one of the greatest composers of the century.

I was just thinking about this exact idea on my last rewatch, I've always loved the "silent" moments in Star Wars like when Leia and Wicket are about to be shot at by a stormtrooper and you just hear the "silence" of the forest. I was wondering if some passionate editor could be paid to edit Star Wars to remove all dialogue but keep the sound design, so thanks for giving me this glimpse.

@TheAwesomeKielbasa

15 күн бұрын

Actually it'd be super easy, barely an inconvenience. I exaggerate, but there is a (free) program that utilizes deep learning algorithms to separate vocals from music. I haven't tried it to see if it works with sound effects as well, but it probably would. The program is called UVR, btw (Ultimate Vocal Remover).

Some people say that all movies should be this clear with the sound turned off. The problem is not every plot nor every part of life operates this way.

The music and the cinematography of how the scenes are filmed are what give the Original Trilogy its power.

"I don't like dialogue" - Denis Villeneuve "Star Wars films are silent movies, though!!!" - George Lucas

@jesustovar2549

Ай бұрын

They're literally on the same line.

@phillipemery572

Ай бұрын

David Lynch has entered the chat....

@pawelparadysz

23 күн бұрын

@@phillipemery572 kzread.info/dash/bejne/gnWAzMSNn5SqZbg.html

@piopiedad4871

23 күн бұрын

Nice connection. I've watched Dune part one on mute and it was still incredible

Tenet is also a silent movie? *Runs for cover*

@Advent3546

Ай бұрын

Dunkirk is as well

@LON009

Ай бұрын

As Patrick Willems said, it's a "vibes movie"

@henryambrose8607

Ай бұрын

Given that you can't hear any of the dialogue anyway, you'd hope so.

Love the OG Lego games shout-out. They were pure magic that was lost as soon as they started putting in dialog

Star Wars is a sci-fi series that focuses on elaborate special effects, sets, costumes & models, so yeah, it could totally work with the most minimum dialogue or the characters looking at papers and items that drive the plot (a printout titles Death Star Design Weakness before the Yavin battle, etc.)

4:03 unrelated but I just realized this is mirroring Padme taking care of kid Anakin when he left Tatooine (or more like that scene was mirroring this, but because it's a prequel it's really the siblings having echoes of their parents and... forget it)

My grandmother used to play the piano in Louisiana during the silent film days... She always used to exclaim "Weeeeeeeeeeee!" and it was that passion that she used to play the piano. When I was a youth, I accidentally VHS recorded "The Sting" in black and white. I was initially saddened, but 4 minutes into the film, it really went well, so well, that I watched the movie several times in that de-colorization. I have seen the film a couple more times in its original color, and it is NOT the same...

@joshuafischer684

20 күн бұрын

Negative space is a major element of art. In film, negative space takes on a very different form than it does in static art like paintings or ceramics. Absence of color, music, sound, or dialogue is negative space in film, and it almost always enhances the impact. Godzilla Minus One is another great example of how a black and white version can be even more effective than full color. It's an excellent movie both ways, but the black and white cut feels so much more impactful because of the character's history.

Meanwhile the Disney movies require many dialogues just to explain a great many things.

No one has ever said Lucas doesn't know how to set a scene. He just can't write dialogue

The first Star Wars was not "saved" in the edit, that theory was long debunked. Even Marcia herself said that was not the case . The story was more that Fox had a editor on the movie that started to work on the movie while Lucas and Crew were not even done shooting the thing. While Lucas was in London shooting the Tantive IV stuff, John Jympson was doing a cut of the movie without the directors feedback, since he was on the other side of the planet. There was no music, no vfx and placeholders were used. That was the notorious cut that shooked everybody, including Lucas directors friends. Lucas fired that man and brought in his wife and two pals from his old USC buddy Walter Murch. They started working on that movie (with Lucas as a uncredited editor) and the whole editing process took them (including the time of the previous editor) 14 months. Empire Strikes Back was also edited for 14 months. Not my words these are from Paul Hirsch, who worked on Star Wars and Empire, himself. But nobody said it was saved in the edit. I recommend the Making of Book by JW Rinzler from each of the OT movies. They are incredible, with so much details about how these movies got made.

@treborkroy5280

Ай бұрын

That's interesting and makes more sense to be honest. Better than "he made two good movies but was fucking up his passion project until...." story that was being told over and over.

@CinemaStix

Ай бұрын

Yeah, see I had remembered that story getting debunked, too. But then when I was working on this video I couldn’t find where I’d seen that, so I thought I must’ve been making it up that it’d been. Guess I should’ve gone with my gut.

@thegoodgeneral

Ай бұрын

@@CinemaStixyour recent community post had many comments arguing this and posting links to the amazing video by Nerdonymous.

@StickNik

Ай бұрын

@@thegoodgeneral I was making a comment about this, but deleted it now seeing this thread here. For anyone reading and not wanting the watch the video: _How "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" was saved in the edit (sort of, but not really),_ by Nerdonymous, the biggest fabrication in it was the claim that the Death Star sequence at the end didn't have a time limit of the Death Star blowing up the rebel base until the edit (which is debunked by shooting scripts), and RocketJump try to place Marcia on a pedestal for her editing while also shitting on the deleted Tatooine scenes of Luke and friends, which she had edited and liked, and Lucas didn't even want to film in the first place (only doing so because the studio didn't have confidence to not introduce the main character a.s.a.p.). On the other hand, Nerdonymous' video is great and filled with info pulled from Making of Star Wars books and gives a lot of behind the scenes insights. Also has a pair of videos Star Wars Apocrypha that cover some lore and behind the scenes of sequels production and is great nerd juice.

@CinemaStix

Ай бұрын

Ah, brilliant! Well, it seems my curse that there always seems to be one error in every video that could’ve been avoided by the change of a single line. I was dealing in outdated intel-very bad practice :) I’ll fix it in next year’s compilation and find a way to redirect people accordingly on this one-or hopefully this thread will just rise to the top naturally.

I guess that’s why Star Wars is a space Opera. In opera, the words are secondary to the music (unlike musicals where the music is secondary to the lyrics). Star Wars is an Opera because the story and the plot are driven by the music!

it works so well even without dialogue

I have always felt that the dialogue was almost an afterthought and genuinely didn't notice that some of the lines were absurd until pointed out, because I sort of phased it out of my mind a little.

The clip of Williams conducting the main title is so captivating: the couple dozen faces in the background, all rapt, all revealing some different-visceral!-reaction to hearing that brass fanfare. Some swept away in it, others resting deep within themselves, in the place where they first heard it, others reveling in the almost ironic mimesis the theme has taken on in the last five decades. Fifty different reactions, all recognizable, all relatable.

@reecord2

Ай бұрын

the people who can't help but have little grins are my favorite

@jesustovar2549

Ай бұрын

One of the best concerts I've seen, I wish I saw it live, well, any John Williams concert for that matter.

@richardsheehan223

Ай бұрын

@@jesustovar2549 I don't know where you live, but if you can make it to Los Angeles, John Williams does a live show at the Hollywood Bowl every summer.

@haleymj553

4 күн бұрын

I heard the Toronto symphony orchestra perform the main title once and tears were instantly streaming down my face, it felt like my heart was in my throat and I couldn't wipe the smile from my face, it was incredible.

This made me realize, I'd actually like to see a modern movie made with no dialogue, as a sort of challenge to the director to see how much story they can still get across. And none of these old time pauses for slides with text either, just no words anywhere in the film.

Imagine not having the leaked 70% VFX screener of Revenge of the Sith. That is the only way to watch that film and it is glorious. Less cgi filler stuff, more music,and longer shots of humans showing emotion. It’s like watching a memory of a movie it’s beautiful

Dude. Every video you make is just so well done. Thanks for posting!

@CinemaStix

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! :)

Smart decision to upload this on may the 4th

@Tonyo-man

Ай бұрын

Why

@CinemaStix

Ай бұрын

@Tonyo-man May the 4th be with you.

All the films are silent, except for 'I am your father'. Now that would be a gut-punch

You can't talk about "Star Wars" as if everything "Star Wars" is one cohesive whole. There is A New Hope and then there is... everything else.

The X-Wing / TIE Fighter games also had dynamic midi music during the missions which changed based on the events happening (enemy ship destroyed, mission goals achieved, etc.).

@CrissaKentavr

Ай бұрын

Oh, yes! Lucasfilm held the *patent* to video games using shifting thematic music matching the pacing of the player and scripted actions.

@headrockbeats

Ай бұрын

It's called iMUSE. LucasArts used it in many games, but it was incredibly effective in the X-Wing series.

7:43 It's like switching to Kurosawa Mode in Ghosts of Tsushima

On Disney+ there is actually a score-only version of The Last Jedi, and it's crazy good to watch it this way

This is why Star Wars will never be the same again.

inb4 the title inevitably changes from "no wonder star wars dialogue is so mid"

@mrtnhrng

Ай бұрын

What does it mean?

@AdamFunk

Ай бұрын

@@mrtnhrng So I love the channel, and the guy is genuinely insightful, but he always uploads with a really provocative clickbait title (to boost views at the beginning) and then changes them after a day or two. The video was posed yesterday as "no wonder star wars dialogue is so mid" and, predictably, has now changed to "star wars without music doesn't work very well."

@mrtnhrng

Ай бұрын

@@AdamFunk Thanks! Tbh, I had to google "mid"... xD

@AdamFunk

Ай бұрын

@@mrtnhrng Ope, jk, now it's changed to "when the movie still works without dialogue" a few hours later. Lmao. That's three titles in two days.

@beatm6948

Ай бұрын

​@@AdamFunkyeah, he does it quite a bit....but its not as if others dont do a similar thing, and I understand why he does it. Trialing the videos is important. Regardless, his videos are good and the titles always lead to what the video is about, so I don't mind 😊

Why does this video have the ability to play with a pop out player, while every other video on KZread doesn’t? Is it doing this for anyone else?

@dali4323

22 күн бұрын

Because you opened it from the opera browser maybe?

@TheAnantaSesa

22 күн бұрын

Pop out player works for me. Copyright music is the only thing that I've found to not allow the pop out.

@emoney6692

22 күн бұрын

I’m opening it from the KZread app on my phone, are you doing the same? I’ve never seen a KZread video with pop out play on the phone, but think it would be amazing if it was the norm.

8:44 Mustafar has never looked so cold. Kinda neat.

Fittingly, I was listening with this video playing in the background. But even then, when you said there's really only one way to watch Star Wars as a silent film I could tell by the sound that it was Lego Star Wars. And you are 100% correct.

I am the biggest Star Wars fan/nerd/lover and I always learn something new whether from watching one of the shows or movies again, or seeing a video like this. Super insightful and enlightening, thank you very much. This just helped me understand Star Wars more deeply as well as appreciate it even more. It genuinely is the greatest franchise of all time and I think George Lucas’ movies should be watched by all forever!

Thumbnail changes more than I change my underwear.

@treystephens6166

Ай бұрын

I only change my underwear once a week.

It's odd because I agree the dialogue is very clunky, yet, it was some amazing lines. "Who's more the fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?" is a great "wise man" type line. Then there's the obvious catchphrases, so I can't say I'd want it as a silent film, but can't say it's a flowing film as far as dialogue.

Acting without dialogue is definitely a skill every actor should have. Certainly more than seem to value it today.

holy, I left the tab open and got 3 different title lol "Why star wars dialogue was mid" or smth along the line "Do you agree with George Lucas?" or smth along the line And now "he said it's basically a silent movie" I'm not complaining, just glad I managed to witness it (EDIT) : "no wonder the dialogue in star wars is so mid", there is it, it's back

This video serves as one of the best reminders of what we lost.

@talaniel

Ай бұрын

What have we lost?

@loveandgooddeeds

13 күн бұрын

Meaningful, iconic, thematic, and dramatic cinema that values normalcy, wonder, family, and silence

In order to work, Williams will have to create an orchestral arrangement of the Cerveza Cristal ad.

I can't tell you how many times my brother and I have played the entirety of Lego Star Wars on our Game Cube in a full day since we didn't have a memory card. Definitely the all-time best way to re-experience Star Wars

This... made me respect the films and their impact in a whole new way. IF I could do my life over, I would have focused on music. Part of the reason is because of the subtle way that Lucas used music in this--has impacted why I gravitated towards music at all, in the first place.

Audience: Your dialogue sucks, George George: (*adjusts glasses🤓) Ummm... ACKtuallyy (*nudges John Williams) John Williams: (*sigh) YYYYYEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee

Lucas really went back on himself with "these are silent films" by making the prequels basically dialog only for 99% of the running time.

7:44 *anime star wars INTENSIFIES !* HE'S TOO POWERFUL TO BE LEFT ALIVE !!

The Kurosawa re-edit of the Prequels made the dialogue...easier to understand. Love your channel.

@Music--ng8cd

Ай бұрын

under sand?

@BlazinInfernape

Ай бұрын

@@Music--ng8cd Why would you say something so evil? brb gotta take out this sudden burst of anger on a few unsuspecting kids

@Music--ng8cd

Ай бұрын

@@BlazinInfernape They'll kick your ass

@Ptaku93

Ай бұрын

loss pfp lmao

@bigol9223

19 күн бұрын

I've felt like George's dialogue is the way it is because it's based on old Japanese movies.

It's nice to see more people, over thee past few years, actually understanding and discussing George's artistic vision. His vision is one of the things that Disney will never replicate.

@just_gut

Ай бұрын

The difference between what most people think and the actuality is that Disney shouldn't try. They should be exploring the space, not trying to emulate a singular vision. That's what made Last Jedi interesting (I'm not commenting on whether it was good or bad or whether it succeeded or not.) Johnson was starting to explore beyond the boundaries of OG Star Wars and it made so many folks uncomfortable. It is also why early Mandalorian is so successful. While it isn't *exactly* Star Wars, it is adjacent enough to still feel like Star Wars while not just being a rip off.

@droe2570

29 күн бұрын

@@just_gut Nah. Johnson was purposely trying to undermine the core philosophies and characters. That's why people hated it. Plus it was just a trash story regardless of the SW backdrop. Everything SW now is just fan fiction, and like most fan fiction, it's pretty bad with a sprinkling of mediocrity tossed in. It's just a corpse being leeched by vultures unworthy of the IP. If they at least stayed true to the universe's core concepts and could tell good stories it would be ok, but that's too much to ask these days.

@ZeroShaneBob

29 күн бұрын

@@just_gut The issue with The Last Jedi is it basically took a big dump on everything Force Awakens set up. Johnson should have made his own solo film separate from the Sequel Trilogy. Disney and Lucasfilm also should have had an entire rough draft of a story built up with a start and finish to give the Directors guidance on where the films were going. They rushed all the movies out, and didn't plan ahead, and we ended up with a bunch of crap.

@TheCoolCucumber

24 күн бұрын

@@just_gut I knew as soon as you mentioned The Last Jedi in anything other than a totally negative light that all of the responses to your comment would focus entirely on that. And lo and behold... It's such a challenge to have engaging and polite discourse in the Star Wars fandom these days, but I very much respect your effort for trying. I think you've hit the nail on the head with your assessment: Disney's greatest strength is having the financial flexibility, resource pool, and an entire industry's worth of creatives at their disposal in order to tell any number of different stories in the Star Wars universe. Projects like Andor, The Last Jedi, The Mandalorian, and Visions highlight how much room their is to play within the Star Wars sandbox; with creators being given freedom to tell stories which have never been told before in the medium of Star Wars. The Force Awakens, while successful, is about as much a carbon copy of A New Hope as you could possibly get; and I think it's emblematic of the greater issue that Disney is struggling with when it comes to finding success in their Star Wars storytelling: an overwhelming inability to take creative risks. People loved Star Wars because of George Lucas' vision for the story. Why not continue to carry on that legacy by giving new creatives the freedom and control they need in order to tell their own stories in the universe? (Plus, when there's enough different types of Star Wars out there, for enough different groups of people, the loud and annoying voices of negativity in the fandom get a whole lot quieter when single projects don't have the impossible responsibility of trying to please everyone).

@joshuafischer684

20 күн бұрын

Disney fundamentally does not understand Star Wars. They are no different from the legions of fanboys who only engage with the very surface level elements of the story. The action, the explosions, the actors and the aesthetics. Disney doesn't care about the ideas that made Star Wars so compelling any more than the fanboys do. The only difference is that Disney wants to use its purchased assets as a vehicle to push their own message and the fanboys want to see more of what they've always seen.

Lucas did the action, Williams did the music, they forgot to hire a dialog guy.

Honestly it is one of the reasons Star Wars is so appealing to younger audiences. Even if you don’t understand what the characters are talking about, you can still move through the story

Thanks for bringing those old b/w reels to light! I don't think this is common knowledge.

@jesustovar2549

Ай бұрын

I didn't knew about it either, first atrempt of home media, imagine playing the soundtrack LP while the movie is playing in your wall.

I'm so glad I found your channel, you're a kindred cinephile and this is a brilliant essay.

@CinemaStix

Ай бұрын

So glad you did too!

I first saw Star Wars on Super-8! It's so cool to see you acknowledge it, I would love for those cuts to be made available again!

i personally love the dialouge in the prequels

Music themed for a movie characters scenes is why I luv SYFY CHILDREN OF DUNE Brian Tylor Soundtrack 💯 times over Hans ether blasting background non music for Denis DUNEs

first title was better

@RotorSpotter_

Ай бұрын

Agreed!

@GeeBarone

Ай бұрын

It's just a normal thing for the algorithm

Hard to argue that the film still makes sense without dialogue when we've all watched them a dozen+ times/

The Blackened Mantle is one of the better reedits of the prequels I've watched