Great looking truck. I'd get one with the 6.6L gasser and WITHOUT the Bison edition. That would put the price point in a reasonable range and get you 90+% capability of this exact truck.

Chevy nailed it with this redesign of their HD trucks, especially with the Bison. I hated the previous version, but these look sweet.

@jazamora7521

7 ай бұрын

Facts! I'm looking at trading my 2020 2500 for an at4 or maybe a zr2

Excited to see the ultimate HD shootout from you guys. ZR2 vs Powerwagon vs Super Duty Tremor. Towing, tech and off-road comparison.

@phild9813

8 ай бұрын

I think that would be cool. Get the cheapest one you can build for each and do a cost:performance analysis.

The AEV trim is INSANELY overpriced

@travisv7233

8 ай бұрын

2 bumpers, floor mats , and a transfer case shield for almost 10k smh

@user-rk2ww2cm4v

8 ай бұрын

Nah... this Bison will be $$40,000 more than a Power Wagon... PW all day, every day!

@meitsme6

8 ай бұрын

Name of the game for all these new trucks

@ian6358

8 ай бұрын

I was thinking that with no locker and leaf springs should come in cheaper.

@donhappel9566

8 ай бұрын

@@travisv7233 Well, you also get different wheels. That totally makes it worth the money! And don't forget the special logos!

2023 2500HD LT Z71 6.6 gasser owner here. I get a lot appreciation from folks that describe her as a well optioned work truck. She is by far my favorite truck I’ve owned so far. The only thing I’m jealous of is how did you get to air down and not have a TPMS light on the dash! I hate that light when aired down and the stupid info center warnings.

@Jesco2841

8 ай бұрын

Yep, I noticed too that on the door sticker its saying only 55PSI. Our trucks are 60PSI front and 70Rear. Difference between 305/70R18 and 275/70R18. 35s with a higher load index... might be the next tire size I try. Only worried about the factory rims not being wide enough for a 305, but idk.

@rj8372

4 ай бұрын

Hows the mileage on the new gasser? (better than the 6.0?)

I’ll go ahead and get one with a 30 year fixed interest rate mortgage.

Less than 800 miles on the truck and Andre is thrashing it in Johnson Valley, CA. Love this!

Not even a front locker for that price?

Right now, in Ontario, Canada, diesel fuel is 20% more expensive than regular fuel to purchase, then add DEF fluid and the extra cost of the diesel engine. I don't think it makes sense to buy the diesel version way too expensive to run.

@gtrance3567

8 ай бұрын

And potential for emissions issues.

@MH_6160

8 ай бұрын

California diesel is pushing 6.00 and up, I went with a. 6.4 Ram and never looked back.. I am glad I did. I have no issues towing 4 snowmobiles or a car trailer.

@donhappel9566

8 ай бұрын

It's always a math game. Does it get 20% better economy than the gas truck? How many miles per year are you driving? Are you financing that extra cost? Lots to consider. I went diesel for my last truck and even with higher fuel prices I'm still ahead but not by a lot. As for DEF cost, that's negligible unless you're towing constantly. Of course you may just prefer or need the extra power if you're doing that anyway.

@jimmy4x4socal44

8 ай бұрын

Diesel is too heavy for off-roading. I use my diesel to tow my off-road toys

@tyb3938

8 ай бұрын

Agreed, unless you tow in mountains often. Double the torque and lower rpm torque, more HP and a diesel engine brake. I would love to purchase gas, cheaper, cheaper fuel, less maintenance, more payload, but alas we live in Idaho and tow all the time in the mountains and there is no substitute for diesel there

I’m so disillusioned with trucks given how expensive they are. I wish I could afford something like this without having to sell an arm and a leg

@buckhorncortez

8 ай бұрын

I think you could probably get it with a kidney and have enough left over for one tank of fuel...

@BERZERKERSV4

8 ай бұрын

@@Pantelifts10 Quite the arrogant remark coming from a dude/dudette that is still living with mommy and daddy…

@BERZERKERSV4

8 ай бұрын

Always remember that the vast majority of these 6 digit trucks are LEASED not purchased… and those who do have a truck loan approaching 10 years at 10% interest…

@scottishd0g87

7 ай бұрын

What do you need a brand new truck like this for? Get you a 5-10+ year old diesel truck, save a shit ton and it will still get the job done.

@jimmy4x4socal44

2 ай бұрын

Right like when I was a kid I figured I’d grow up and if I wanted soylike this I could buy it. Well a wife 2 kids and a mortgage later…. I like it, and I want one really bad but I don’t wanna drop that kind of money on a truck…

All of these 3/4 ton off road trucks are awesome. The choice will come down to what your specific needs or wants are. For me, I have to go with the Power Wagon. It’s less capable in some departments for sure, but for me, the front locker is an absolute necessity because I use it for ranch work, and that truck will tow it’s 10,000 lbs anywhere I need to go, ( sometimes with multiple trips)which is up and down steep, muddy, snow covered dirt roads as well as sloppy pastures. Also, as a life time truck owner, it seems to me that the 6.4 Hemi mated with the ZF8 transmission is an incredibly reliable combination. Having said that, you really can’t go wrong with any of these trucks. They are all incredible.

One of the best things about the last gen tundra was the short hood that sloped quickly. These latest trucks have giant square hoods that are worse in every measure. Can’t see anything. A camera that demands I focus on an interior screen is not an ok band aid.

My F250, 7.3L gas Tremor is 1700 lbs lighter. With rack, RTT all my camping gear, it's still 200 lbs lighter. Never thought, I'd use Superduty and lighter in the same sentence. Nice truck, none the less, was wondering when GM was going to join the chat.

Seeing more and more HD trucks being used as Overland vehicles. This vehicle with the Duramax is almost a perfect rig for that.

@The_Opinion_of_Matt

8 ай бұрын

It is because of the payload and diesel fuel range. Too bad the trucks end up being so heavy though.

@VDawg-cr1gb

8 ай бұрын

@@The_Opinion_of_Matt yeah. Everything except fords seem to be heavier.

It's impressive, but it really demonstrates why the power wagon has reduced payload. That Chevy has almost Zero flex. Not taking away from this, it will go places but watching the power wagon videos it seems more crawl able. (I own neither-just enjoying the vid)

@bprint555

8 ай бұрын

It has to do with Chevy using torsion bar ifs instead of a solid axle like ram and ford

@scotto9712

8 ай бұрын

I just figured it was heavier rate springs.

@hibiki54

8 ай бұрын

There is no flex because they are using an IFS and heavy duty springs in the rear to maintain payload capacity. The Power Wagon doesn't have the same payload as a regular 2500 because it has different radius arms and springs, but it can flex like no tomorrow because of the 5-link rear, solid axle and disconnecting front swaybar.

@dgreco1374

8 ай бұрын

The power wagon also weighs less and even they struggle on some hills

@rockie307

8 ай бұрын

It will flex more with weight on it. Add a couple thousand pounds to it like it's built to carry and it will ride smoother and flex more. Most people get heavy-duty trucks for pulling or carrying.

Proper comparison would be ZR2 Bison Vs. the Ram AEV Prospector XL

@ColemanAsCode

16 күн бұрын

Nah it would be the HD Rebel. The pxl is an upfit kit on 40s with body work, not a direct from the dealer trim kit

You guys and a few others are best place to go for answers to our truck questions, doesn't matter what make, often what year, cause you guys have bought older trucks, repaired them, and evaluated them for all of us. Thanks guys. Just checking, did Andre ever get cruise control installed on this brand new truck? How much trouble was it? And how much did it cost.? If he did, then I missed the video.🤠🤓😎

What if I want a front locker, sway bar disconnect, factory winch, RPI score over 500? Power Wagon

@user-rk2ww2cm4v

8 ай бұрын

this Bison will be $$40,000 more than a Power Wagon... PW all day, every day!

@MZZHZZWZZ

8 ай бұрын

What if I want a truck that can actually haul and tow like an HD should while still being plenty capable off-road for 95% of buyers. Power Wagon is essentially a heavy duty half ton.

This particular version of the truck would look great towing all those handy-man trailers of every variety that I see constantly, cause those want to be seen in a great looking truck, with a cool company Logo on the side of it. Another super nice vehicle.

While I applaud OE manufacturers producing off road focused vehicles with lifts, armour, etc….the prices are ridiculously out of range of the average truck buyers.

@temur72

8 ай бұрын

That is why base model trucks exist

My ‘10 Tacoma has hill descent control. It’s the pedal between the brake and clutch.

Awesome ride

I bought the RAM PowerWagon Rebel with a CUMMINS and a straight axle up front.

Nice to see that GM now pre-rusts the frame rails.

@mx3727

8 ай бұрын

Yes! It's so that you won't be disappointed when your $90k truck has rust on the frame in 2 years, you'll already be used to the "special coating" from the factory on day 1😂

@geezusmeatball1328

8 ай бұрын

Its not rust its dust ... geezus guys

@donhappel9566

8 ай бұрын

Have they actually started to paint/e-coat/powdercoat the frames yet? Or are they still just spraying some waxy oil on them and calling it 'good enough'?

@jimmy4x4socal44

8 ай бұрын

It’s dust stuck to the wax coating

@Welcometofacsistube

8 ай бұрын

Sorry this ain't a Toyota

Chevy all the way

Starting" at 72k! Cool truck but I'll stick with my old 2500 bought new for 27k in 2000...

Great review. Excited to see more in this truck. Thanks TFL

Wait so you’re saying that with auto mode you don’t need to select 4L or 4H when needed? Please explain? Also not AEV edition does it come with gas tank skid plates? because off roading gas tank protection needed. Also how do you feel between the AT4x HD and this one which one do you think its worth its price more?

Watching from KENYA 🇰🇪

Looks nice

Hello Andre, Greetings from Colorado! Nice truck. I have the 2024 HD 4x4, with the 8’ bed. By the way, I don’t see Roman or Tommy. Have they moved? Best regards,

Looks like the best overlander truck ever

Needs another 3in in liftand 37s. And rock sliders

Glad to see you're planning on comparison video on all cool new trucks in this segment. I can't wait!!!! I'm a slut for trucks. I have almost zero brand loyalty. Tuff, Solid, Dependable. I the frame is bad about retaining mud, and where are the places it likes to hide the most.? Perhaps advisory on truck cleaning and maintenance video would be good for you guys to do a lot of new truck owners bought trucks would have never been down underneath.

Might be interested but Chevy, like all other brands, won't offer these in an extended cab version; only crewcab. In HD pickups, the extended cab standard bed is shorter wheelbase and overall than the crewcab with standard bed. For overlanding with light slide-in or flatbed pickups campers, one wants a short of wheelbase as possible. That these are only available in crew cab takes them off of a lot of overlanders list as an option. so we'll keep buying extended cabs or standard cabs and building up the suspension, wheels, tires, skid plates, front and rear bumpers, winches, etc. on our own.

Can you review a single cab dually work truck?

Beautiful truck.. this type of driving is suited for low gearing and gas engine though

Surprisingly this truck didn't have any rock sliders on both sides to protect the sides from the rocks.

IFS is never going to articulate well if it has a sway bar. Gotta disconnect the sway bar is you really care. And better yet, run a rear sway bar with the front sway bar disconnected so the front suspension is forced to flex a bit more.

4:23 week it looks built well enough to get towed out of the ditch in one piece 😆

I really wish these companies would offer their off-road trim/options with double cab /extended cab trucks. I don't really need a big back seat anymore, I'd rather have the shorter wheelbase on the HDs or longer bed on the lighter duty trucks.

That nose heavy aspect off-road,,,,, it becomes fully too much of an issue. Even the HD gas trucks are just too heavy overall, but better. The Power Wagon with its 2 lockers, live axels and just how everything works together. It IS a great off-road truck! It is not really a HD truck anymore though. Barely a heavy half ton. Towing & payload are seriously hampered. To be a true ZR2, like the current mid size and 1/2 ton models, I believe dual front & rear selectable lockers are in order. The ZR2 Bison Diesel fully loaded is likely to be near, if not over, $120,000 Canadian!!! They will sell, but are “halo” truck prices for a #3 truck (basically). Just due to the physics of the Ram, then the Ford with seriously enhanced front differentials, the Chevy has to be #3. Can’t fight physics,, which is why gas HD trucks are challenging, and diesel HD trucks are not great at all. Fun climbing over rocks with a diesel though. Put everything in low gear, let the truck idle with the brakes off and just go!!! 😊

Watching reviews on trucks like this is like watching reviews on Porsches 20 years ago. They’re fun and exciting but pretty unobtainable anymore if you make less than 6-digits a year. The American car and truck market is a sad state of affairs now days.

@brandonpittman5243

8 ай бұрын

I won’t buy one way too much money and I make 170k a year and my house is paid off. Nope

A shot of the camera view would have been nice. I wonder how many people will be rock crawling their 90k pickup…

Great Content as always

"I'm going about 40 45 mph!" Showes true speed at 18 to 23 mph😂

All the Silverados have Auto, my High Country 2500HD also has it.

I have been converted from GM to Ram, how is the modern duramax? Good ??

It has just as much flex as any torsion bar IFS vehicle on heavy duty springs.

If you could tame that rear end offroad, but then it would massively decrease towing

How is anyone going to hook a chain into these recovery points on these bumpers with these holes that are so small ? Seems like someone wasn’t really considering using them . I mean I suppose a huge Clevis would be necessary.Serious question !

9:37 IN TODAYS EPISODE STRONG MAN ANDRE LIFTS 8,700 LBS WORTH OF TRUCK WITH HIS BARE HANDS!

funny how the Ram HD Rebel has been quickly forgotten

Eagerly awaiting the comparo between this in a V8, the GMC AEV and the Powerwagon.

Andre what a Descent Descend on that first hill!!!

@googleaccount2637

8 ай бұрын

Decent descent.

@mikescollin9739

8 ай бұрын

@@googleaccount2637 There their that’s funny! I now need a brake or break from my attempt at humor!!!!

I can understand this being like 75k or anything above it is outrageous

What is most impressive, is the fact it made it off the dealers lot without a burned out headlight! Watch out Power Wagon? HaHa.

8500 lbs! The mid 2000's Chevy HD with Duramax was 1000+ lbs less. Where did it pick up so much weight?

@ALMX5DP

8 ай бұрын

It’s bigger dimensionally, has bigger tires, solid bumpers, more features, emissions systems, likely heavier frame/components for the addition capability. Everything adds up.

Prices - especially - are blowing up💸💸💸!!!

Any word on your Colorado?

$90,000 for a pick up truck are you kidding me? I can buy a $40,000 new pick up truck and accomplish the same thing go to grocery store and buy milk and bread which is about 199% of these trucks are going to be doing anyway.

@agentcarder

8 ай бұрын

I think ford said about 90% of superduty’s are used to tow so these trucks will be used to tow, just not off-road

@thankyou9085

8 ай бұрын

@@agentcardermost hd trucks sold are not like these at all, most are work trucks or commercial trucks sold in fleets, most retail sales of trucks are ones that really don’t do any actual “truck” things Most homeowners that have trucks rarely tow or haul anything really heavy

@trace6402

Ай бұрын

You can buy a Silverado 2500HD for 50k in America. If you want all of the bells and whistles you have to pay for them. Do not expect a ribeye for a sirloin price.

How come TFL no longer does their local offroad loop?

@kuhndog-1196

8 ай бұрын

This is a chevy event. They didn't get to pick where they go.

Now if Chevy would only make a Diesel ZR-2 Bison in regular cab!

Silverado es Silverado el poder américano haciendo historia.... Que belleza de Camioneta 😍 la Silverado es la ganadora

There are fleet markets in in the oil and gas industry and perhaps mining and power generation that will buy these at huge fleet discounts. The segment of the population that simply has to have a truck like that to tower over everybody else in the Walmart parking lot will pay through the nose. Anything new we have not seen before?

I can see now why Ram never put a diesel in the PW. price and weight. This is a niche vehicle for select buyers and most will probably not buy it for regular offroading (technical trails and rock crawling). Its just too big and really more capable than it should be. Though nice to have if you need all this extra stuff, its more of a gotta have the best trophy truck or better suited for an overland camper. The colorado zr2 is a much better trail rig. As far as hd's go i kind of think the power wagon is still best off road due to weight, winch, full lockers and disconnecting sway bar. The one thing chevy should have for this price is retractable steps bc thats gotta be at least a 2ft step up.

We want a Ford Excursion with the 6.7 High Output

What's with the mismatched tailgate? It looks like a junkyard replacement.

@mpeugeot

8 ай бұрын

It's a GM product... what did you expect.

@trace6402

Ай бұрын

​@@mpeugeotbut yet you watched.

8500 lbs off-road you gonna need to add a winch to get anywhere

Looks like Chevy didn't go true flowtie on the HD ZR2's, interesting.

@mini2nut1

8 ай бұрын

Couldn't due to brackets on the other side.

nothing to protect the rocker panels on this model. OK it's a beautiful truck, that's what matters.

Dont see a point for that locker when the z71 has a good auto locker. This truck doesn't have much mechanical advantages over regular 2500

I don't think the power wagon has anything to worry about. 😅

Where’s the lockers and sway bar for that price with more underneath protection. With all the motor problems and cheap interior why should I pay that price

@trace6402

Ай бұрын

Why do you gripe when you have choices? If you do not like it you do not have to buy it or watch it.

Did anybody else notice all the rust on the frame?

Really enjoying the manufacturers and dealers crushing the dreams of middle class people…kind of like watching a years long sinking of the Titanic…

What’s absolutely embarrassing is the lack of weight a Silverado tailgate can hold - go look it up.

Do an off road video with a camper or a travel trailer

Those drumstick tie-rods will snap soon as there's any real challenge on the front tires.

@TaigaTurf

8 ай бұрын

IFS tie rod ends snapped on me.. Solid Axle is better

@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806

8 ай бұрын

@@TaigaTurf Death wobble is an issue with Super Duty (especially if they are lifted).

@TaigaTurf

8 ай бұрын

@@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806 IFS almost did too when the tie rod ends snapped while driving

Isn’t there something counterintuitive about a “heavy duty” off-road truck? What mountain trails do you know that wouldn’t end up with this truck scratched to hell? I do 14er peaks in CO every summer and most trails that thing would have no chance of fitting on a trail

@billp5424

8 ай бұрын

You are absolutely right. You can put toe shoes on an elephant but that won’t make it a ballerina.

@mikeyc7072

8 ай бұрын

Yes - but - KZread says “do it” so new owners will go there🤦🏼‍♂️! These Trucks are so big and heavy that they often tear up trails and create rutted out sections🤬!!!

@a88304

8 ай бұрын

@@mikeyc7072 that’s one thing that drives me nuts. Big trucks like this destroy trails with ruts and make washouts so much worse.

@whocaresjustdoit

8 ай бұрын

It’s the people who drive in 2wd that tear up the trails. Trucks this big don’t go to those trails often.

This is clearly not competitive to the Power Wagon off-road, but the die-hard Chevy fans at least have an option this way.

Too bad no 3500 series availability yet.

Thanks Andrea, I look forward to Saturday morning watching your segments.

This looks good. But ill stick with my Power Wagon as my overland rig / jack of all trades truck. Power Wagon dont care.

You guys are in my backyard haha maybe I should go crusie the trails in my 2003 Blazer ZR2 lul goin Bizon hunting haha Big Long wide nd Heavy not really ideal on the trails

Just wait 10 years and get this bad boy for a fraction of the price used.

@tipsovr2626

8 ай бұрын

If it makes it 10 years. GM's electrical gremlins seem to be bad lately.

Yea, no one is doing this with these trucks who are we kidding. People are buying them because they like how they look.

I just don't see how these new trucks are worth twice+ as much as trucks 20 years ago. Nothing they offer is worth that increase.

@whocaresjustdoit

8 ай бұрын

Inflation and COVID supply chain issues did help with the price increase. Trucks from 20 years ago didn’t have the same tech, capabilities, safety, and comfort of 2023 trucks. Don’t get me wrong I think this thing is still super expensive but generally price increases are inevitable as a product is more refined.

Who is actually willing to take a brand new 75k truck on any serious off-road terrain/trails!?!?

Pretty dumb that they don’t offer it with a long bed

Why buy? Just rent for a couple weeks when on vacation.

Frame is already rusting. I wonder if the body will rust as fast as the 2007 thru 2012 models.

$91,220. L. O. L.

So tired of hearing people complain about expensive top trim trucks like they’ve got a right to afford one. Do yall complain about exotic car prices too?

The Power Wagon wins off road because of front locker... but Chevy wins as a truck because it maintains good payload and towing, unlike the Ram

GM just refuses to get away from that crappy independent suspension. That junk doesn’t even belong on a half ton, much less an HD pickup.

@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806

8 ай бұрын

It is actually fairly strong. Yes it was weak in early versions though. And the solid axle is prone to death wobble.

Where do these manufacturers think everybody is working or is making $300,000/year. ? With inflation, home mortgage, home, car, health insurance, kids,and trying to save money for retirement. I just don't understand.!

Watch out Power Wagon fans, if you have an extra $120,000 this might be the better truck for you!

Needs front locker for that money. That's why Power Wagon is better.

They can keep it!!! Why to over priced for pavement pounder! That truck is for Mr Jones 💰