These things just raise more questions than they answer. We we never know the answers until we die, even then maybe not.

@t3br00k35

4 ай бұрын

yeah i agree

This is all so interesting, even if you are not a practicing believer, it still feels like we are uncovering the deeper story and there is something deep here

@simonskinner1450

Ай бұрын

Christianity is a misconception of the NT, it is in the NT as false teaching called out by Paul, as Gentile converts thought the law had been done away with by Jesus. I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' for NT truth.

Loving this series too! Thanks, Dr. Tabor.

Suffer the little children to come to me! Unless you become as one of these children you will in no way enter in! The Word of God surely knows how to receive the gift of God! Eternal life! Thanks for sharing your analysis!! Excellent work 🙏

@mikechristopher7934

5 күн бұрын

Don't you mean the bloody children?🤣

Very well done James. Thank you. Personally I do see a correlation with the Passover lamb and how its blood on the doorposts caused the death to limp over their homes, but that was neither a sin offering, nor was that blood touched, it was applied with hyssop.

Nice topic! Thanks for all your insights!

Saul was purportedly Jewish, even though he didn’t live in Israel, but many commentators have found the origins of the Eucharist puzzling because they believe that, due to the Jewish strictures on blood, it would have been unthinkable for an Orthodox Jew to contemplate drinking blood, even if only symbolically. Have you addressed that issue?

@joestar6194

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for calling him by his name.

@edwardmiessner6502

4 ай бұрын

Either he was a Greek proselyte as the Ebionites claimed or he was a _minim_ who advocated abominations like pretend cannibalism and pretend vampirism from a pretend human blood sacrifice after being staurowed on a stauros.

@David_Brinkerhoff93

4 ай бұрын

"shl" in Hebrew also could represent sheol. Just another clue I guess.

@iCupTV247

3 ай бұрын

It's not puzzling at all, eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the dying and rising god was a common feature of mystery religions

@patrickbass3542

2 ай бұрын

@@iCupTV247 many "pagan" religions!

Thanks, Dr. Tabor always feel like I’m going to class when I watch your videos.

@donmilland7606

4 ай бұрын

Dr. Tabor

Thanks James

THANK YOU FOR THIS FABULOUS VIDEO

Thank you Dr. Tabor for bringing the message of repentance closer to the religious . Maybe some can get the revelation of self, the horrors of self and sin, iniquity and repent some day like Job did in the dust and ashes. The churches don't use those tokens. We don't beat our breasts or tear our clothes. A tactileless intellectual greek based theology.

@grepora

3 ай бұрын

It depends on which church. That is the problem. When someone says they are a "Christian", you must ask which denomination. They all have different emphasis and interpretation. It is good that you "don't beat [y]our breasts or tear [y]our clothes." Otherwise, you will likely have significant medical and clothing expenses. Guilt, repentance, sin, and self-obsession are the horrors. Anguish leads to negative emotional and spiritual consequences. Humility and healthy self-esteem leads to satisfaction and wisdom. Go into the darkness of a church to pursue the past. Go into the brightness of nature to experience life.

I believe now,,, everything before Constantine’s Creed, is truth. And the path is narrow and few find it. Yahusha in the name of Yahuah. 🙏 ‘’You breathe his name every day’’

just a little technical question, not sure if it's my browser or setting about regions, but i can't reach the blog posts, it all responds after a try to connect with "the ip of the server can't be found" ..somebody can give advice?

I wonder if Paul crystalized concerns that had been arising for decades about Jesus' death and non immediate return? "How could tis amazing guy die like this? How does it fit into some Divine order?" They had no answer so the idea of literalizing the "Pachal lamb" whose blood saved the Israelites in Egypt began to take hold. This something they could grasp. Did Paul originate it? I don't know.

@MyDogBooBoo

4 ай бұрын

Paul was a pharisee. Taught by Gamaliel. When he "laid the foundations" he brought much of his thought patterns and reasoning paths into Christianity, how he made sense of a man he never met physically and was not taught by personally.

@grepora

3 ай бұрын

@@MyDogBooBoo Don't trust Paul. He claimed to be a Pharisee but did not act like one. Luke falsely claims Paul was taught by Gamaliel. Don't trust Luke either.

@MyDogBooBoo

3 ай бұрын

@@grepora Exactly

Wow!! I’m floored!! Dr. Tabor, this is great!!! Thank you for sharing!!! So many conflicts within the teachings of Jesus, so many contradictions with the Torah and prophets…Figuring all of this out and their origins is a daunting task!!! If only people could break free and not have the fear of “hell” so that they could begin honestly looking at their canon!!

This is great!!

Strange I was thinking about the blood. Very well explained. I been confused about this topic for years. Thank you Dr. Tabor.

When Paul wrote, "I have laid the foundation," he about said it all.

@megw7312

3 ай бұрын

Yes, I’d forgotten that he said that. It confirms my strong suspicions that he was an agent of Rome. Hijacking what had already been founded.

@megw7312

3 ай бұрын

Yes, I’d forgotten that he said that. It confirms my strong suspicion that Paul was an agent of Rome. Hijacking what had already been founded.

When you think about it, it's really gross if it were for real as the Jews and Romans thought the Christians were receiving the eucharist - actual human flesh and actual human blood. And it's a violation of the few commandments that James ordered Paul take to his churches in Acts 15, and reminded Paul of in Acts 21.

@trappedinroom1014

3 ай бұрын

The cup of life was for the waters of life….not the blood of a tortured carnal flesh suit…drinking blood out of such a vessel may be more of a curse! The scribes are trying to put people under the old laws and the Talmud….and those laws state you are not to eat the flesh of any animal tortured or strangled…Jesus was allegedly severely tortured, and crucifixion is akin to being suffocated because of the pressures involved on the chest cavity…and the Vatican perform ‘rites’ to make the wafer the actual flesh etc…symbolically what sorcery are people symbolically consenting to. I have a very saddening and growing suspicion that the Vatican are walking their flock into a trap and to slaughter! There’s also scripture about horse leeches and the blood lickers and not eating/drinking the blood….this I doubt had anything to do with eating regularly prepared meat, and everything to do with people staying young by drinking the blood of infants….or for more occulted hormonal benefits! If drinking blood brought a curse…what are folk doing every Sunday? There’s something deeply deeply troubling about what they’ve wrapped around Jesus’s good teachings….and it’s been suggested that the bible as we know it (not the words of Jesus) is actually the doctrine of Babylon that was translated by Alexander from the Septuagint. You also have to remember that it is the Vatican and the Church of England that control the worldwide Roman legal civil system of law….that has tricked us over generations to take another’s name (kanah - the surname or the person) and serve a cleverly disguised Caesar and to step onto the Vatican’s ship that sails the commercial sees/seas! It’s difficult to have such discussions with believers because they’re under a spell…they can’t separate Jesus from the scribes clever trickery and crafty works! I sincerely hope my suspicions are wrong…I truly do. I’ll stop rambling lol! I don’t mean any offence to anyone reading this, with a heart filled with love, I’m just trying to warn that all is not what it seems. Take care 🙂💕

If they say "here he's in the desert don't believe them and dont go out to see". Paul was a/the false apostle mentioned in Revelation.

It's really sick when you think about it...

@DetVen

4 ай бұрын

Nothing is sick about one's salvation, my friend.

@RoseSharon7777

4 ай бұрын

Yep. Pure magic blood cult of Babylon. No human sacrifice for sins ever happened as noted thru out the Psalms and Hebrews 5:7.

@Daniel-Tiger

4 ай бұрын

@@DetVensaved from what

@TheSulross

4 ай бұрын

the story of Abraham and Issac certainly shows a very close flirtation with the notion of human sacrifice as appeasement of the Yahweh deity. The story accredits a perfection of faith for Abraham as being willing to go through with blood sacrificing his only son in order to be totally obedient to this deity figure. Now the apologetics for rationalizing this (because on some level EVERYONE sees this as disturbingly heinous - blood sacrificing human beings to a deity figure), is that Abraham firmly believed that the Yahweh deity would provide an alternative, and thus provide an out - but according to the account he was on the verge of plunging the knife. It's one of the most singularly disturbing narratives in the Hebrew bible. That a deity figure would test a person by seeing if they're willing to commit murder (of their own child, no less). It's the kind of thing we today would associate with the very most despicable cult leaders.

@MichaelMarko

4 ай бұрын

Well, it’s definitely disturbing.

We're saved because he said we're his friends. That's it. Okay, now I'll watch.

Absolutely brilliant analysis

Thank you for showing and explaining what the Bible really means about true sacrifice: a broken spirit and a broken and contrite heart, repentance and turning from sin, a personal relationship with God, not slaughtering animals and shedding blood, which always deeply disturbed me. I don’t understand why Paul turned it into a human sacrifice Gospel with all the blood washing g our sins - I could never except that and it never sounded like Jesus’ Gospel. Thank you for you wisdom and share, always in deep gratitude 🙏 🪷

@patrickbass3542

2 ай бұрын

But, it's part and parcel of the New Testament message...you can't have it both ways!

That old hymn you mentioned is one of my favorites even without any lyrics just the music itself alone.

Very interesting and vitally significant in understanding the mercy and forgiveness of HaShem and the role of repentance. Christians ignore repentance and forgiveness as it is demonstrated throughout the Hebrew Scripture. I hadn’t noticed or considered Paul as the source for the idea of atonement through the blood of Jesus. Certainly makes sense as you presented it so eloquently, Dr. Tabor. Thank you so much!

@Benjamin-jo4rf

4 ай бұрын

Paul is the source for nearly all if not all the problematic parts of the "new testament". Christianity really has nothing to do with Jesus, it's just all Paul.

@MegaAnimeforlife

4 ай бұрын

@@Benjamin-jo4rfits interesting to how Jesus said he was gonna judge according to ones conduct and showing kindness to the poor in Matthew ”For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father’s glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭27‬ ‭NABRE‬‬ Yet Paul was the one who no you have to accept Jesus as savior and if not your gonna be destroyed in hell and being a good person doesn't matter.that means evil Christians like the crusaders are in heaven but pacifists like ghandi are in hell and all the victims of the holocaust all in hell If that isn't evil idk what Is

@MegaAnimeforlife

4 ай бұрын

I converted to Christianity and became a messianic jew out of fear and I struggle with so much depression and anxiety and sadness from it just the thought of all my ancestors are in hell just for being Jewish like idk if I want to go to heaven if literally all my friends and family and ancestors are in hell even tho they practiced loving kindness like the Tanakh teaches all they're lives and loved Hashem with all they're heart and soul i think it's probably the most evil thing imaginable and I think about everyday and I'm constantly depression and sad because of it it has really fucked my head up but I stay a Christian out of fear even though I think it's evil

@ConsideringPhlebas

4 ай бұрын

"Christians ignore repentance and forgiveness" This is a silly myth of anti-Christian polemics. Repentance from sin is an absolute must in Christianity, and that's why metanoia-repentance is taught throughout the New Testament, including in Paul's writings: Romans 2:4, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

@donmilland7606

4 ай бұрын

That’s just wrong. Repentance and forgiveness are CRUCIAL tenants. Where could you possibly come up with that. You should not comment on things you don’t know or read about.

What a comforting rationalization of child sacrifice to pay the price for human sin that was permitted and enabled with full divine forethought. Why not create a universe where atonement had already been achieved without child sacrifice ?

@WhatGodDoeth

4 ай бұрын

That's not what's being said here at all

Praying to HaShem that this video will deliver many "christians" from their idolatry and turn to the Only True G-d.

@PMaximov

3 ай бұрын

Amen amen

@christopherculley8862

Ай бұрын

Who is this HaShem you pray to? Is it the Jehovah character in the Bible? Is this who you call your ’only true God’?

I always wanted to know this

thank you. is it possible to find a version of Marc that is not influenced by Paul? I heard there is one in the Vatican that is the original version of Marc.

The first thing Paul got from Jesus was stern correction. Why did Paul rebel against instruction like that spoken by Stephen. There were Jews who were on the way of life the old-fashioned way--through the written word. Jesus brought us a new and living way. It begins with washing of water. To be clear, one must receive more than faith in that first baptism. In Jesus are also the gifts of faith for righteousness, faith for holiness and to become a "son of God" which requires another birth. Only when Christ is fully formed in you, can you be born in the image of Christ. This is that angel of your presence that passes on first, before your body follows. This is about the life in your blood that needs to be quickened like wine. You can look at the way of life by the court design of Moses, the changes in Abraham or the gospels which are titled with words that DEFINE the portion taught. Love grows, faith grows, hope grows, wisdom grows. We will never equal God, but we can become more like Jesus. Baptism in water washes away past sins. The blood of Jesus was shed two thousand years ago for sins you won't commit until next year. You must believe, receive, confess. Paul had studied the written word to obtain whatever faith he had. The first thing he received from Jesus was a stern rebuke, Why was he rebelling against direction given. Jesus offers you faith that is multi-portioned. You receive the spirit of Jesus. You follow him. He will offer you righteousness and holiness. Students will follow a teacher. Inevitably, they will follow to heaven or hell. Our teacher is he that he loves you so completely that the forgiveness of your future sin is in his nail-scarred hand. It's discouraging to see students who look for reasons not to believe. Rebellion is as witchcraft. What about students who were first drawn to the Proton by cords of love. Who misdirects them to a place where they want to cut those cords "asunder" as if they were "bonds" rather than love. I love a teacher who can say, I don't understand this" instead of giving reasons why it cant bd true. The gospels are lessons taught to four classes of students in the last year of Jesus' ministry. Mark is by definition the first portiont/preparation of the heart. Mat-theou/Matthew asks us the receive the spirit of the father/ righteousness/the alpha and omega with us/possibly מאתו. Luke is the third year students/the latter portion/לוק. Luke is about holiness.) The closest disciples like John pictured in the bosom or leaning on his chest were in the graduating class. (John, "the beginning of the response of Jah/ יענה/In the beginning was the Word." There is no Q. The variations in the gospels are very important. How terrible that students are so indoctrinated from childhood that their faith is already on shiftings sand.

Fascinating, as always... Thanks so much, Dr. Tabor. 🙇🏻‍♂️

Paul got his gospel just like Joseph Smith Jr. did - by revelation. Both taught lies against God and Jesus. "Romans proves Paul lied"

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for your souls upon the altar; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul." Lev. 17:11 Berean Study Bible ; "According to the law, in fact, nearly everything must be purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Hebrews 9:22 Berean Study Bible. The use of blood for atonement is a long standing biblical principle going back to Adam and Eve

@littleredpixie3116

4 ай бұрын

Human sacrifice was and is against God's Torah. I'm assuming you're a Christian. If you believe that Jesus/Yeshua died completely sinless, then dying by way of sacrifice would've been a sin. Also, if you study the Torah, you realize that if he was a true "blood sacrifice," his body would've been purified, washed, laid up on the altar, and slaughtered. Some, in fact most, sacrifices were eaten by the Levitical priests. This would have been impossible since eating human flesh is forbidden. I also want to add that Yeshua/Jesus was severely blemished through being beaten. All the sacrifices were to be perfect with NO bodily blemishes. He would not have been accepted.

@Nkosi766

4 ай бұрын

@@littleredpixie3116 Barabbas was the scapegoat that took the sins of the ppl

@paulkeniston5699

4 ай бұрын

My Bible is my only source of Faith and Practice. I will evaluate your statements, as well as Dr Tabor's, accordingly with all due respect. The blood sacrificial offering is well documented in the holy scripture. Jesus Christ is the Passover Lamb offered once and for all to redeem all who come to him in true faith. History is full of heroic men and women who "sacrificed" their lives so that their loved ones could live. Jesus Christ was willing to lay down his life knowing how the shedding of his innocent blood would pay the price of redemption. Such a tremendous Truth for us to embrace and understand and to declare with good faith .

@paulkeniston5699

3 ай бұрын

@@arbitScaleModels YES . Our Messiah is the Son of God- not God the Son. Once we are clear on this distinction then the "whole truth" falls into place. The Father is SUPREME. Praise God - Amen

I tend to think that Paul, in his philosophy, was trying to justify himself for the persecutions he had committed against the early believers. I'm convinced it was through contact with those people, in the course of those persecutions, that led to his eventual conversion, and created within himself a guilt that could only be assuaged by creating a new vision that essentially let him off the hook for the crimes he had committed.

Didn't Prof. Elaine Pagels write a book how how the Revelation was initially a Jewish, rather than a Christian work? I think your idea of the Revelation being a Jewish book is great.

Tremendous

(Continued). As a teacher, parent, government (or God) it is a constant struggle to varying degrees To keep people near the straight and narrow. Would anyone want to make that an eternal struggle? Not even our gracious God wants that. We’ve all met people whose heart is naturally mostly good, and we wish everyone could have such a good heart. Then we can stay at level one of the progression towards sacrifices, free of the need for a law with its penalties over us-- Not because the rules themselves had become irrelevant or changed, but because everyone is already naturally keeping them. This was the hope and promise that God revealed to Israel for all people, and what Paul meant. With this context, which we’ve all experienced, it is the natural and obvious interpretation of Paul’s words that if you walk according to the spirit of the law then you are free from the written law with its penalties. If you think Paul meant that the law was changed or done away with, then you are putting Paul in opposition to his fellow apostles, Jesus himself and the all the words of God until Paul-- There is no precedent and no scripture to support the idea of doing away with the law. Indeed, where did that idea come from? Just another man hundreds of years after Paul?

Hello Dr.Tabor I really enjoy watching your videos as I have recently started a passion for religious studies. I dont know if you will see this but I have a question you say that Mark's gospel was influenced by Paul but why do you also say that Mark's gospel does not claim Jesus was divine. Thank you so much!

Psalm 49:7

If we know that the priestly source had the motivation to include the doctrine of animal sacrifice, who or what group do you think wrote the “I never asked you to make sacrifices” concept? Was it a contemporary group to the priestly source or from oral tradition? Has this been researched yet?

True history of the Great Traveler , how about It !

I was taught that being "washed in the blood" making the sinner white as snow actually refers to Leprosy that turns the affected being fully white diagnosed the ending of the disease for that person.

@gwenjenkins155

2 ай бұрын

Sorry, it should read "signifying that the person affected with leprosy is fully healed."

It seems as if in ancient history, people were superstitious about a lot of different things that they weren't able to comprehend. And they had many different types of culturally specific religious beliefs, ritual practices, temples, festivals, etc. and a huge part of the world is still addicted to the Judeo-Christian religious beliefs.

I don't know how I missed this when it came out, but for me, it's your most important video to date. Christianity definitely reflects Paul's pagan influence. Both Jesus and John the Baptizer taught salvation through repentance, not animal (or human) sacrifice. As you pointed out: "John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins." -Mark 1:4 "No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them." -Psalms 49:7 Indeed, the term "The Lord's Supper" was so associated with pagan Mithraism, it was an embarrassment for the early church fathers. And the early Roman center for Mithraism was in wealthy Tarsus, Paul's native city. The name of the rite was changed to the Eucharist, or later, to communion. Interesting fact, when it came time for communion, George Washington got up and went home.

If I recall right, Dr. Tabor, Christian scholar E. W. Bullinger opposed the notion that Christians were "washed in the blood" of Jesus. He interpreted the Book of Revelation differently. He noted that some people could get that concept from Revelation 1:5 etc., but he pointed out that the Greek "EN" could mean "by virtue of" instead of "physically within." The passage in the Book of Isaiah can also be interpreted as "sins" being put for "sinners." The sinners would be washed white.

Question! Did the Dead Sea Scroll community believed in the temple sacrifices or did they developed their own way? Anybody??

I have a few questions. I’ve been listening to as much of videos as I can. Also lots of other scholars and most are dating the writing of the gospels late in the first century some early second century. I am not arguing this in any way I’m just asking what are the reasons for these dates?? I am very interested to find this out. If anyone can respond and give an answer I would be truly grateful.

@grepora

3 ай бұрын

I forgot to add. Sometimes what was written was added (or deleted or goofed) by later scribes.

@MyLooneyBin

3 ай бұрын

Literary historicity is (very basic) usually done through comparison to other works, and comparisons to other works of the author. If a document used the word "totally tubular", it would most likely be dated in the 1960's or 1970's. And if the word was never used by me any any of my other works, questions would arise as to its authenticity on who actually wrote it. It can only work from the oldest copy they can find and translations. It can error if the oldest copies aren't available (not known to exist, but maybe they did) or they were copied into the vernacular of the scribe translating or copying the document. It is interesting, but it isn't a perfect science/history. Just a well educated theory of the work they have.

That's Islamic message!! Allah the most merciful the most gracious Sir Tabor you are indeed a Muslim by belief and by heart

Jesus was the first lamb that replaced Isaac when Abraham almost fell into temptation and Jesus was also the last lamb to end the blood sacrifices. Because killing any living thing is considered killing life. In the God commandment telling us, " you shall not kill". True believers save by grace through the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Christ) as our seal or Redeemer. Immanuel that guide us from within

@davidbradberry7637

3 ай бұрын

G-d has never been impressed with blood sacrifices. Hosea 6:6

Blood and water are essential for life, so being the superstitious primates that we are. Blood and water inevitably was and will always be a part of religious mythology.

@gabrieledupres

4 ай бұрын

Alot of things are essential for life , like the energy (from the sun ) or the air we breathe - so those 2 are just a random pick

@joestar6194

4 ай бұрын

@@gabrieledupres Blood is the subject matter of the video Einstein.

@dr-johngy-brongen

3 ай бұрын

Wine is also essential

Again, great scholarly work here. What you, Dr. Ehrman, and other Biblical scholars demonstrate to me is that, 1) "Man" has spiritual revelations. 2) Men want to help others. 3) Men experience spirituality through the uniqueness of their personal interpretation. 4) Man's supposed intelligence over-complicates the revelation to the point where, often eventually, Man kills other men over differences in the individual revelations (Catholic and Protestant, Sunni and Shite, etc.). Actual Biblical history "should" prove to every soul that we are witnessing the opinions of individuals whose inspiration applies to that individual. If only the people of the world would understand that if someone is telling you - you will burn in Hell for not believing exactly as "I believe," and simply follow the rule that Jesus, and others, taught: Believe in Love, and forgiving others. Not judging others and practicing unconditional love is the key to happiness. If you don't believe that, I will not judge you. It's your business, not mine. All I know is that I love you, no matter who you are and what you did. I forgive you. This is for my salvation and sanity. This is all I really have control of.

Jesus revelation to John: Rev 7;14 “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Whatever claim we may make about our beliefs it will be up to Jesus to judge.

Very interesting. I follow the logic behind Tabor’s ideas here, even if I question his motivation. However this is an alternative narrative and interpretation which he has constructed, which does not mean that it is actually true. The weakness of his narrative and arguments is seen in his liberal use of multiple assumptions to ‘fill in the gaps’ (a characteristic also of Bart Ehrman’s ideas), in order to present his ‘alternative story’. The weakness of these presumptions means that Tabor’s ‘story’ is highly speculative, instead of factual. It is interesting, but I wouldn’t place too much trust in the speculations of academics like Tabor and Ehrman, particularly since they offer no better spirituality to their listeners. All that they would leave their listeners who trust their narratives, is an emptiness where there was once hope.

@rylands4289

3 ай бұрын

They offer scholarship and not theology, this isnt something you teach on a sunday bible study

@theonlyway5298

3 ай бұрын

@@rylands4289 Yes it is "scholarship", I agree. As such, it represents the diverse and multiple opinions of academics who have attempted to write their own gospels, adding to the ancient list of non canonical gospels - the difference between these modern non canonical versions like Tabor's and Ehrman's from the other ancient attempts to rewrite the gospels, is not as great as you may think. While their methodology may be different, their results of denials are the same. Also the absence of theology is not a strength but a weakness, particularly bearing in mind the backslidden state of these men who were once faithful believers. While you say you attend Sunday Bible study and that is the extent of your studies, others study every day of the week and have a great interest in both archaeology and history behind the New Testament. I find Tabor very interesting, but flawed because of his filling in the gaps with presumptions and opinions which reflect his own bias.

Blood and Wine are also offered to Goddess Kali during the Tantric worship. So, worship of Jesus with blood and wine is in a way a left-hand tantric ceremony. Blood, the colour red is connected with Shakti (she always wears red colour clothes.), the consort of Lord Shiva. Ascended masters taught the blood offering as the Violet Flame Meditation.

It was the realization that God never required blood or sacrifice that brought me out of Christianity. The Decalogue Faith for me!

God sent His son to cleanse our conscience from sin, not God's conscience of our sin. Hebrews 9:14. The blood of Christ cleaneses our heart from an evil conscience, Hebrews 10:22.

He got it right here...............Phip 4:22 All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar’s household.

To what extent is Paul committed to converting Gentiles to a new religion? To what extent in that commitment he is absorbing the ideas and rituals of the Gentiles, such as the Mithra followers?

In that story about the tax collector and the pharisee. The Pharisee went home feeling good.

It's an analogy to the Passover Lamb, right? The death of the innocent that removes sin and protects from judgement. It's not much of a leap. When Peter and James met the resurrected Jesus, did they not think that it was significant? What meaning did they attribute to the event?

@markrossow6303

4 ай бұрын

Correct, imho

@Contemplate55

4 ай бұрын

The lamb of Passover had nothing to do with atonement.

@haze1123

4 ай бұрын

​@@Contemplate55 In Corinthians 5 Paul refers to Jesus as "Christ our Passover."

@haze1123

4 ай бұрын

​@@Contemplate55In Judaism, the Passover lamb was slaughtered and eaten at a feast as an act of worship to God and the means of atoning for sin.

@johnpetry5321

4 ай бұрын

The Passover lamb is killed for consumption not to offer its blood as a sin sacrifice.

Yes, confession, repentance, forgiveness, faith and love are nuts new ideas, but what God has required of his people from the beginning. God designed human relationship success to depend on these things as well. Here is the practical logical progression to sacrifice: From the perspective of a teacher: 1. Benefit of the doubt. If my students do everything they’re supposed to do, then I don’t need to spend time telling them anything about what theyshould do, let alone start talking about penalties. 2. Words. If I find that my students are doing things that hurt other students for my purpose for the class, then I would verbally educate/clarify whatever rules are relevant, And probably periodically remind them. 3. Writing. If my students seem to keep forgetting my invisible words, then I would write the rules in a place where everyone could see them so that no one could claim ignorance or forgetfulness, and I don’t have to waste time repeatedly reminding them verbally. Note: I would assume my students were intelligent, and so first try to summarize what proper behavior is in a few abstract rules. Then if I found that they kept doing something wrong, as if they couldn’t infer an application of abstract summary rules, then on a case by case basis I would add specific laws to clarify my interpretation and intention of the summary rules. Note: There are probably an infinite number of ways to do the wrong thing in any situation. So it is impractical to list all of the rules that a person who walks the right way is actually keeping. We don’t imagine such a person is consciously thinking of all of those rules; instead, we describe them as having a natural intelligence/intuition/talent/temperament/spirit. The summary/abstract rules mentioned above try to efficiently capture that ‘spirit’ of the law. 4. Legal consequences. If students keep breaking the spirit of the law, but they can’t claim to lack knowledge of the law, then I know I need to add something that will affect their heart/motivation. Enter an incentive structure of benefits and costs, incentives and deterrents, blessings and cursings. Note: In order for penalties to work properly, a positive foundation of love and hope (and faith in these) must have already been laid (built through faithful word and action of the teacher). In this case, typically, the initial additional incentive structure is simplified to a list of costs, since the benefits were already naturally there, inherent to the purpose of the class. This is a kind of sacrificial system. The purpose of the “sacrificial system“ is to help them internalize knowledge of the truth (the reality of these rules as part of the structure to succeed) to the level of memory and belief/faith, and of fear if not also love, so It actually shapes their behavior if not also their heart. From another angle, the testimony of sacrifices, including the testimony of Jesus’ sacrifice, is that God really cares that much about the purpose and that the structure of right (and wrong) paths/behaviors/actions/choices really do lead to success at that purpose. God’s purpose is for a diversity of beings able to sustain a united community forever, and all that that implies (eg, real acts and feelings of faith, hope, love, righteousness, peace and joy. 5. Real consequences. If my students still do things that make us unable to succeed at the purpose of the class, then there is real failure, including loss of all investments of time, effort, heart and opportunity costs. Real death of the purpose (or, in other situations, of the relationship, or of people themselves).

That song gave me nightmares😂

@markrossow6303

4 ай бұрын

Dr Tabor "justified by his blood" is a covenant promise, that by faith Jesus will sprinkle his blood on the Mercy Seat. I have Ytube videos 'Myths in so-called Christianity'.

It's obviously Mithraic. Mithra sacrificed a bull and it's blood dripped down onto the earth: "The white bull was metamorphosed into the moon; the cloak of Mithra was transformed into the vault of the sky, with the shining planets and fixed stars; from the tail of the bull and from his blood sprang the first ears of grain and the grape". Then comes the model for the Last Supper: "After the sacrifice, Mithra and the sun god banqueted together, ate meat and bread, and drank wine. Then Mithra mounted the chariot of the sun god and drove with him across the ocean, through the air to the end of the world". Jesus just did the communal meal before the sacrifice instead of after.

The fact that many people are waking up to this truth you are revealing to us about Paul is just more proof the fig tree has blossomed and the end of this age is near. Jer 16:19-21 tells us the gentiles will become aware of the truth that YHWH is God alone in the day of affliction. Its our eyes that have been blinded in part. This is due to the centuries of false doctrine promoted by Paul the false apostle.

Genesis 22:8 And Abraham said, my son, God will provide HIMSELF a lamb for a burnt offering.

"And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,‭ ‭And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.‭" (Exodus 19:10-11) "Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.‭ ‭After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.‭ ‭Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.‭" (Hosea 6:1-3) True Christians have been washing, and been scantified in His sacrificial blood for two thousand-year-days, and will be changed and raised up in the imminent "third day" since His resurrection and ascention in 30AD. The "third day" begins on the 21 March 2031: the day after "the great and dreadful day of Yahweh" when the wicked are burnt up and removed from the earth - leaving nothing but ashes for the rightious to tread upon ! The second advent is witnessed by all the survivers SOMETIME afterwards - who knows exactly when....

Wow, i wonder why there's not any living relations of this bloodline? Also this bloodline is obviously a delicacy.

Alma 42: 1 And now, my son, I perceive there is somewhat more which doth worry your mind, which ye cannot understand-which is concerning the justice of God in the punishment of the sinner; for ye do try to suppose that it is injustice that the sinner should be consigned to a state of misery. 2 Now behold, my son, I will explain this thing unto thee. For behold, after the Lord God sent our first parents forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground, from whence they were taken-yea, he drew out the man, and he placed at the east end of the garden of Eden, cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the tree of life- 3 Now, we see that the man had become as God, knowing good and evil; and lest he should put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat and live forever, the Lord God placed cherubim and the flaming sword, that he should not partake of the fruit- 4 And thus we see, that there was a time granted unto man to repent, yea, a probationary time, a time to repent and serve God. 5 For behold, if Adam had put forth his hand immediately, and partaken of the tree of life, he would have lived forever, according to the word of God, having no space for repentance; yea, and also the word of God would have been void, and the great plan of salvation would have been frustrated. 6 But behold, it was appointed unto man to die-therefore, as they were cut off from the tree of life they should be cut off from the face of the earth-and man became lost forever, yea, they became fallen man. 7 And now, ye see by this that our first parents were cut off both temporally and spiritually from the presence of the Lord; and thus we see they became subjects to follow after their own will. 8 Now behold, it was not expedient that man should be reclaimed from this temporal death, for that would destroy the great plan of happiness. 9 Therefore, as the soul could never die, and the fall had brought upon all mankind a spiritual death as well as a temporal, that is, they were cut off from the presence of the Lord, it was expedient that mankind should be reclaimed from this spiritual death. 10 Therefore, as they had become carnal, sensual, and devilish, by nature, this probationary state became a state for them to prepare; it became a preparatory state. 11 And now remember, my son, if it were not for the plan of redemption, (laying it aside) as soon as they were dead their souls were miserable, being cut off from the presence of the Lord. 12 And now, there was no means to reclaim men from this fallen state, which man had brought upon himself because of his own disobedience; 13 Therefore, according to justice, the plan of redemption could not be brought about, only on conditions of repentance of men in this probationary state, yea, this preparatory state; for except it were for these conditions, mercy could not take effect except it should destroy the work of justice. Now the work of justice could not be destroyed; if so, God would cease to be God. 14 And thus we see that all mankind were fallen, and they were in the grasp of justice; yea, the justice of God, which consigned them forever to be cut off from his presence. 15 And now, the plan of mercy could not be brought about except an atonement should be made; therefore God himself atoneth for the sins of the world, to bring about the plan of mercy, to appease the demands of justice, that God might be a perfect, just God, and a merciful God also. 16 Now, repentance could not come unto men except there were a punishment, which also was eternal as the life of the soul should be, affixed opposite to the plan of happiness, which was as eternal also as the life of the soul. 17 Now, how could a man repent except he should sin? How could he sin if there was no law? How could there be a law save there was a punishment? 18 Now, there was a punishment affixed, and a just law given, which brought remorse of conscience unto man. 19 Now, if there was no law given-if a man murdered he should die-would he be afraid he would die if he should murder? 20 And also, if there was no law given against sin men would not be afraid to sin. 21 And if there was no law given, if men sinned what could justice do, or mercy either, for they would have no claim upon the creature? 22 But there is a law given, and a punishment affixed, and a repentance granted; which repentance, mercy claimeth; otherwise, justice claimeth the creature and executeth the claw, and the law inflicteth the punishment; if not so, the works of justice would be destroyed, and God would cease to be God. 23 But God ceaseth not to be God, and mercy claimeth the penitent, and mercy cometh because of the atonement; and the atonement bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead; and the resurrection of the dead bringeth back men into the presence of God; and thus they are restored into his presence, to be judged according to their works, according to the law and justice. 24 For behold, justice exerciseth all his demands, and also mercy claimeth all which is her own; and thus, none but the truly penitent are saved. 25 What, do ye suppose that mercy can rob justice? I say unto you, Nay; not one whit. If so, God would cease to be God. 26 And thus God bringeth about his great and eternal purposes, which were prepared from the foundation of the world. And thus cometh about the salvation and the redemption of men, and also their destruction and misery. 27 Therefore, O my son, whosoever will come may come and partake of the waters of life freely; and whosoever will not come the same is not compelled to come; but in the last day it shall be restored unto him according to his deeds. 28 If he has desired to do evil, and has not repented in his days, behold, evil shall be done unto him, according to the restoration of God. 29 And now, my son, I desire that ye should let these things trouble you no more, and only let your sins trouble you, with that trouble which shall bring you down unto repentance. 30 O my son, I desire that ye should deny the justice of God no more. Do not endeavor to excuse yourself in the least point because of your sins, by denying the justice of God; but do you let the justice of God, and his mercy, and his long-suffering have full sway in your heart; and let it bring you down to the dust in humility.

Isaiah 1:15 -> It came from the nations. They sacrificed their innocent sons and daughters and claimed YHVH commanded it.

Remember that in the last verse of psalms 51, once David has got his heart right, then and only then does god delight in animal sacrifices. It may be that God delights in animal sacrifices in the same way that he was pleased, as it says, for Jesus to be sacrificed. His delight is not directly in the blood of bulls and suffering of any being in itself. But, like Job, we simply don’t have enough information to judge God about the suffering of anyone, sacrificial or not. I don’t like the suffering involved - - and I don’t think any of us are supposed to. That’s part of the point. And if you are trying to ignore the reality of somehow-worthwhile sacrifice, then you may be ignoring one of the most important and naturally emotionally affecting parts of reality - - even in the spirit world. God does not waste pain.

"And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." - Rev. 7:14

A few questions: Was there a "last supper?" Did Jeshua pronounce a new covenant? Did he, moreover, link his own death to Passover? It's interesting to ponder the Pauline influence yet discerning what happened at the end of Jeshua's life remains important. I don't see repentance and faith in the salvific blood of Messiah as contradictory or competing claims per se.

@wilfredmancy

4 ай бұрын

Blood which is life takes away sin/death, its not rocket science. Life is the antidote for death.

Question, if Jesus is paying his blood as a "ransom for many", who receives the payment? His blood is paying for us, but who is receiving that payment? It can't be us for we are what his blood is covering and paying for. So who gets the payment?

@dr-johngy-brongen

3 ай бұрын

YHWH

@johnjohnson798

3 ай бұрын

@@dr-johngy-brongen So he sacrificed himself to pay a ransom to another part of himself?

@dr-johngy-brongen

3 ай бұрын

@@johnjohnson798 yeah, doesn’t make sense

Cant wait to see the movie: CHRISTSPIRACY Which will be launched on the 20th March 2024 Kameron Waters and Kip Anderson made the movie It revolves around animal sacrifice

Most Catholic churches when i was a kid still had lots of plaster icons and a large model of the cross hanging from the ceiling with jesus in a stylised pose . Now then, think on this : what if very, very realistic models could be made of scenes from the film The Passion Of The Christ ( youve seen the technical skill now available), of a really appalling blood soaked and agonising Jesus on a cross or being severely scourged covered in blood. Maybe a mechanical model that moves screams and wails in agony ? You can bet your life that parishioners wouldn't put up with it ! Children would be terrified to go to church to look at this hyper real moving talking manaquin ! But why not ? Why not symbolically wipe fake blood from its writhing head and smear your forehead with it ? You see, part of the sanitising of christian imagery in churches is part of the subtle indoctrination process. Its a way of sugaring the pill. And what of the wider psychological ramifications of submersing young minds in this scapegoating and blood sacrifice imagery ? I noticed at school that the poorer kids got the sharp end of the teachers tongue and picked on more as easy targets. We were the undesrving sinners that recieved to he cane regularly. We where the ones scapegoated and punnished because , well.....someone had to be...

If Jesu's blood is pure white as snow, what is that red stuff they have in goblets on Sundays?

Is blood the ultimate test of the listener? In the gospel of John chapter 6 Jesus clarifies what his blood symbolizes. Notice it doesn’t symbolize literal blood. It symbolizes his words. You would think that his disciples would remember this gruesome teaching at the last supper when he tells them that his blood is the covenant he’s making with them. Will they think that his literal blood cleanses them? Or will they think that the words he gave them, and cost him his life, cleanses them? What is your thought on this?

@wilfredmancy

4 ай бұрын

Yes Jesus words were life and life takes away death.

@David_Brinkerhoff93

4 ай бұрын

Are you saying it's symbolically okay to break commandments? The prohibition on the drinking of blood goes back to Noah.

@davidkarllind

3 ай бұрын

How in the world did you get that from anything I said? John chapter 6 tells us that Jesus’s blood symbolizes his words. Basically, Jesus is saying that if we follow his words, they will teach us how to live a life without sinning. His words were consistent with the Hebrew scriptures. The Hebrew scriptures require repentance and making amends when we sin. The Hebrew scriptures never required blood sacrifices for sins that were committed intentionally. Therefore, the literal blood that Jesus shed on the cross does not atone for our sins. At least, not according to Jesus. If we fail to follow his words, then, his death on the cross, his sacrifice, his blood was shed for nothing. We honor his death, and prove we love him, because we follow his teachings. I don’t follow Jesus because of any miracles he performed. I follow him because I agree with what he teaches.

@wilfredmancy

3 ай бұрын

@@David_Brinkerhoff93 I think you would have to know the reason for the prohibition beyond that the life is in the blood. Indeed Jesus is introducing an idea here, with an action, that is anathema to most of his audience . The idea being the absolute union of God, in the form of Jesus and man; that union being brought about by the union of our spirits John 6:63. A union so total that our existence is in Christ and He is in us. This is totally different to the symbolism of the Old Covenant where the people were separated from God by the curtain between them and the most Holy place. Union is the truth of our being, our lives are united, hence the eating and drinking. I imagine the prohibition on animal blood is to make a point about where life comes from and it is not from animal life including ourselves. It is only the life of God in us that saves us, and that life is manifested by us living in and out of the character of God of Christ and the Holy Spirit. We testify to that faith when we take communion.

Dr Tabor you miss out the new covenant that all this is part of, all before is symbolic of the way that the Father, Son and Spirit baptise and justify believers.

Sounds like alchemy which is in everything. First black, then the white elixir then the red elixir . Then you go around changing people's names to "Peter" (a stone).

What I believe is this:the salvation and the glory and the entrance into the higher realms was just as great before the crucifixion as after therefore it’s a moot point :but to gain the kingdom one must amend one’s behaviour no lying no stealing no formulation and an inner change the Holy Spirit can fill you but you have to be pure that’s why children are gods true chosen ///choices

@jdaze1

4 ай бұрын

AMEN.

Only Jews descending from the scribes mentioned in Jeremiah 8:8 would not understand the whole point of the Torah and the prophets.

Great job James. It was simply Saul all along.

@neclark08

4 ай бұрын

"...It was All Saul, All Along..."

@ANewBeggining-so1wp

Ай бұрын

I believe Saul of Tarsus will be the false prophet in Rev13 promoting his false AC Christ.

I like to think you are right, but the proprietary sacrifice is a fairly big deal, wouldn't Jame and Peter have contended with Pajul over it even moret than over other matters?

I think a lot of the confusion is because he was crucified around Passover. He went into Jerusalem to demonstrate against that practice and that’s probably the main reason he was crucified. But instead, he was just doing what he was told to do and intentionally fulfilling Daniel 9. That’s why he kept it a secret telling them not to tell anyone until around 30CE. It would be more appropriate to say he was also fulfilling Yom Kipper, becoming that first goat slaughtered. The second goat was supposed to be led away, handed to a caretaker and taken into the wilderness where he would be set free. The goat naturally would choose to stay with his new master instead of returning. That’s a good description of the suffering servant in Isa 53 despised and rejected. Something Jesus didn’t really suffer except on that weekend. You point out that this life of suffering is the message in Mark and the way of salvation but it’s more than just that. That sacrifice was prophetic in scope. Salvation was on the ones to whom the arm of god was revealed. The messengers throughout Israel’s history and who would believe their report? They all suffered but their obedience itself was confirming the covenant. So even if Jesus himself said you must eat my flesh and drink my blood, it wasn’t a sacrifice like the Passover. It was saying become like me and do likewise or you’re not worthy. It’s too bad the rabbis didn’t understand and instead of following the command, they would immediately lead the scapegoat over a cliff, thinking they could prevent sin from returning. Ironically, Jesus is the national designated scapegoat blamed for everything along with Christianity, and anyone who is Christian is led out of the city too and banned from the communities. That’s the reason that temple was destroyed because they broke the covenant they had in not following that instruction. The prophets all agree god never wanted sacrifices and Passover got way out of control. Isa 53 is about all those prophets and when he returns, he will suffer again just like it’s written but this time over a lifetime of testing. It didn’t please god to watch Jesus suffer but it will please him to bring him back and cause it again so that we get it right for once. Paul came in on the wing of an abomination and began this blood sacrifice idea that’s caused untold devastation, ruining god’s reputation. That prophecy isn’t finished quite yet.

Mr. Tabor, do you believe that Paul was inspired by Jesus, or do you believe he was a charlatan?

Rev.1:5 KJV And from JEsus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten from the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him who loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

wonderful insight, but dont forget the sword NEVER left Davids family because of his sin. Is this because God requires blood for blood?

Anything in common with the - historically posterior - taurobolium? Some common ancestor?

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Jesus died for us on the cross. Blood is the life force of human existence, and often the loss of that blood results in death. I believe references like the “blood of Jesus” are metaphorical references of his death, AND that which he gave us through his death. So for example, if we were washed clean by the blood of Jesus, our sins were removed by his sacrifice on the cross. Hopefully I am making sense 🙏🏻

The imagery of blood, sprinkling, without blemish or spot, outside the camp, etc. relates more to the sacrifice of the Red Heifer than any other sacrificial imagery. Blood and life can be used interchangeably because of the Torah admonishment that "the life is in the blood", which is why it should not be eaten. Therefore Jesus' blood = Jesus' death, Jesus did not bleed to death.

Mithras?

@scout2469

4 ай бұрын

Yep, the idea surly does not come from Judaism. The followers of Mithra used to sacrifice bulls in such away that the blood would fall down on them.

@scout2469

4 ай бұрын

Yep, it surly does not come from Judaism. The followers of Mithra would sacrifice bulls in such a way that the blood would fall down onto them.

@lukasmakarios4998

4 ай бұрын

Possibly. But the popularity of Mithras with Roman soldiers is a bit of a disconnect, and may not be quite contemporary.

I think it’s because Caiaphas the High Priest said “it’s better that one man die for the people than the entire nation be destroyed”

The story of Napolean and the woman and her son should open the eyes of Christians that Napolean understand what MERCY means more than Jesus and his 12 toyboys A mother once approached Napoleon seeking a pardon for her son. The emperor replied that the young man had committed a certain offense twice and justice demanded death as the penalty for his crimes. "But I don't ask for justice," the mother explained. "I plead for mercy." "But your son does not deserve mercy," Napoleon replied. "Sir," the woman cried, "If he deserved it, it wouldn't be mercy. And so I ask for mercy." "Well, then," the emperor said, "I will have mercy." And he spared the woman's son.

@jdaze1

4 ай бұрын

Exactly! If a blood sacrifice paid for all our sins then God's grace and mercy plays no role in our salvation and repentance wouldn't be required. The whole animal sacrificial system was never desired or initiated by God. It was always mans idea. God only put up with it until he instituted the new covenant and rituals of the flesh ended. God clearly stated several times he HATED "their" feast days, new moons, Sabbath's and sacrifices. He desired MERCY and repentance for sins. As John taught we are to repent unto the FORGIVENESS OF SINS.

In the book "Christ Returns, Speaks his Truth" Jesus says that leading up to the last supper the disciples were discussing the Isrealites escaping into the desert and Moses instructions to each family to paint lambs blood on their door posts after which God would send angels to kill tge first born of all Egyptian families and their livestock. He had tried to teach them that the Father was loving and those tales were not of God. He decided that if they were so obsessed with the spilling of blood then blood is what he would leave them with and thus he relayed the blood and body message.

I don't think Paul made the atonement up. He got it from the OT. The high priest on the Day of Atonement takes upon himself the sins of the people. Instead of the high priest being sacrificed, he transfers the sins onto the animal sacrifice. The people are supposed to repent in preparation for this day. The atonement covers unintentional sins. It doesn't cover murderers. They were executed.

Oh dear, this is not the washed blood I was thinking it would be in reference to....

There's little evidence in support of the idea that Isaiah 53 is about a corporate group. The plain reading is that it pertains to an individual. The servants mentioned in Isaiah 42:1-7, Isaiah 44:26, and Isaiah 49:6 also sound more like individuals than a group.

@marinarobledo348

3 ай бұрын

Yeah the remnant of Israel. It also says in verse 10 that will have children and live a long life.

@ConsideringPhlebas

3 ай бұрын

@@marinarobledo348 Yir'eh zera' ('he will see [a] seed') doesn't necessarily mean having literal children at all. Zera' is used throughout Isaiah to refer to communities of people: Isaiah 1:4, 57:3, 65:23, etc. And yes, God gave him long (eternal) life after his mission on earth, as is the case with Christ. Note the mention of his being given long life (Isaiah 53:10) follows descriptions that, on the plain reading, imply his death (Isaiah 53:8-9). See also Isaiah 49:6 that explicitly distinguishes the servant from the remnant of Israel.