Tbh, an "infamous firearms" series would be cool. The expertise is definitely a plus especially with the mintue details

@JacksonKillroy

4 ай бұрын

Great idea, would be cool to see jonathan do a take on the carcano

@CathodeRayNipplez

4 ай бұрын

Yes, seeing Jonathon wearing a tin foil hat would be amusing.

Hey guys! I recommend setting Jonathan's voice track to mono. It seems to switch between being mostly on the right, or the left, as he moves around. Love your work!

@holykuhmeinefresse

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for making that comment, I thought my headset was acting up.

@RoyalArmouries

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! We made an oops on this audio, but will have it back to normal next week :)

@FoxtrotFleet

4 ай бұрын

It's a shame that these otherwise excellent videos are often marred by terrible audio. Often times he's covering pieces never seen before and possibly never to be seen again in this medium. I don't have the means to travel to see them in person.

@Atomguy112

4 ай бұрын

Me fixing this by putting one of my headphones partially of my ear to balance out the volume.

@160rpm

4 ай бұрын

@@RoyalArmouries you don't play it before uploading? :)

There is nothing like the mental flash bang of watching Jonathan critique your favorite deer rifle.

@sim.frischh9781

4 ай бұрын

Jonathan has his critique points, but anything he says doesn´t in any way disqualify you or your liking of that rifle. You came to like it for reasons other than his, and that is perfectly legit.

@notreallymyname3736

4 ай бұрын

@sim.frischh9781 I meant to express that I was surprised to see Jonathan talking about something so familiar to me. I have no problem with his assessment. I just wasn't expecting it.

@sim.frischh9781

4 ай бұрын

@@notreallymyname3736 Well it´s a rifle and that´s what he talks about, it´s merely a question of how long it takes until he talks about a gun you know or even own. Gun Jesus has talked about the weapon i served with, the Steyr AUG/StG77, it took him quite a while, but he has.

The 760 was recommended to those who might not have been comfortable with a semi auto rifle. It was often viewed as the "lesser" version of the 7400 semi-auto rifle. It was offered in multiple calibers, probably the most common was 30-06. They were accurate enough for deer. I owned one for one season. It was the only manually operated hunting rifle I ever owned that malfunctioned by not extracting a loaded cartridge when unloading the gun. Circa 1975, my mother was using it. She ritually counted the number of cartridges loaded, then unloaded or shot, so she could account for each one -- her safety policy. When picking her up from the deer blind, she handed me the rifle to unload. I did so by operating the action, picking up and handing her the cartridges. She insisted one was missing. After checking the ground then racking the gun several times, I insisted she miscounted. To prove the gun was empty, I casually held it one hand, pointed in a somewhat safe direction and pulled the trigger -- BOOM! Then the empty came out. Aside from a sore hand, and being very embarrassed, and getting the stare down from your mother - which no range officer can ever replicate - I was humbled. That rifle was traded within a few weeks. To this day, I check the chambers twice, or thrice, and dry fire in a safe direction.

@stevewatson6839

4 ай бұрын

Mum's stare (or Dad's!); something missing from a lot of young'uns lives today. That needs to change.

@90lancaster

4 ай бұрын

It should be gun users practice to not point a fire arm at something or someone you do not want to make dead. It does show how hazardous a mechanism is if you can't see if the weapon is loaded from a visual inspection alone.

@notreallymyname3736

4 ай бұрын

@@90lancaster I'm not sure if I missed something, but in my experience; it's very easy to see if the 760/7600 have a round in the chamber. Even if it did fail to extract a live round, you can clearly see the chamber on an open action.

@IvorMektin1701

4 ай бұрын

The chambers were very hard to clean on those guns so they'd get rusty. Stuck cases were a nightmare. Mostly because deer hunters will shoot the guns three times a season and cold damp air condenses moisture in there. Or worse, they use WD-40 as a gun oil and that turns to shellac. I used to work at a gun shop with a gunsmith and I dreaded seeing a 740 series come in. The thin receivers would bend trying to extract a stuck case and Remington washed their hands of them.

@CathodeRayNipplez

4 ай бұрын

That's fabulous JR. How this massive paragraph relates to this vlog baffles me but well done you.

The pump counter was a nice touch. Thanks guys

I got that same rifle in 30-06 cal. For my 11th birthday in 1977 from my father. I've hunted with that gun to this day. I don't know how many deer and other game it's taken over the years but it's quite a lot. The rifle is very accurate and reliable, from 1977 until now has never been in a gunsmith shop and is still working perfectly today.

@powerwagon3731

3 ай бұрын

We’ve had one in the family for over sixty years.

Took me a bit to realize that the pumping of the gun didn't make that ding.

As I was instructed, the twist rate for the M16/AR15 for the 55 grain bullet was 1-12. The heavier 62 grain bullet stabilizes better at a faster rate. As a firearms professional in the US, the standard twist rate for 30-06 and 308 Winchester was and remains 1-10.

@grahampalmer9337

4 ай бұрын

Umm. I believe the heavier, 62gr SS109 FN round uses the faster twist (1 in 12) with the 55gr M109 using 1 in 7 to 1 in 9.

@esrvdb88

4 ай бұрын

1 in 12 is slower than 1 in 10… and over stabilization isn’t a thing with somewhat modern projectiles.

@USSEnterpriseA1701

4 ай бұрын

I'm guessing the confusion is over the stated 1 in 14" twist for the early AR-15. The very first AR-15s did indeed have a 1 in 14" twist, but it was found in testing that that twist rate was insufficient to stabilize the round under arctic conditions, so the twist rate was changed to 1 in 12" before the rifle was even adopted as the M-16. Only the prototypes and the early model 601s had the 1 in 14" twist rate. As to the 1 in 7" twist on the modern ones, that also has to do with stabilization in arctic conditions, but this time of a slightly heavier tracer round of about 75 grains. For the 62 grain SS109 under normal conditions you really only need about 1 in 9". Me personally, I like the loadings for the 77 grain Sierra Match King, so the 1 in 7" is my preferred twist rate in most of my 5.56/.223 rifles.

@loquat44-40

4 ай бұрын

@@USSEnterpriseA1701 You got right sir mostly on the M16. 308 winchester is most often not 1 in 10. I just looked up for a new model 70 in 308 winchester and the twist rate is in 12. And for a new 30-06 it is still one in 10. Those were the orignal spec for those rifle chamberings, but a custom barrel could have different twists.

@alexisborden3191

4 ай бұрын

@@grahampalmer9337 minor typo The 55gr is M193, otherwise yes.

Just for clarity, the projected angle relative to the bore axis for a 1 turn in 10" twist for a 0.3" land diameter of rifling (as used in both 30.06 and 0.308) is 5.38°. The angle for a 1 turn in 11.25" is 4.78°. I can't see how it would be physically possible to measure a difference between the two on the very short section of surviving rifling on the recovered bullet shown in those evidence photos with any degree of certainty.

@jonathanferguson1211

4 ай бұрын

I agree that it wouldn't be. As mentioned it would be tricky even with an intact bullet and simply isn't done so far as I (or my forensic contacts) are aware. There was an article on the subject that isn't online - Rios, F.G., and Thornton, J.I., “Comments on the Trigonometrical Basis of Bullet Twist Measurements,” 1983; 15(1):104 (I don't have a note of the actual journal or monograph it was published in though, just a scan).

@engineeredlifeform

4 ай бұрын

Thanks, I was about to attempt the maths, you've saved me some head scratching. :-)

Jonathan’s wealth of knowledge always makes these videos so interesting

I saw a lot of these when I worked at a gun shop in the US Midwest. They were definitely a "budget option" back it their day and a many of them haven't stood the test of time unfortunately. The threads on the bolt seem to wear out. The most interesting one I saw had a pivoting scope mount so you could use the iron sights if needed.

@themanwithoutaplan72

4 ай бұрын

I wonder how long that would hold zero.

@silverjohn6037

4 ай бұрын

@@themanwithoutaplan72 They were never really meant for long range sniping. They were mostly intended for use in woods. So not minute of angle but minute of white tail;).

@myparceltape1169

4 ай бұрын

I wonder what tests the makers put their guns through to uncover the weakest parts of the machine. Obviously you could test and test again sending yourself round in circles trying to reach perfection. At some time you will always have to say, :"Good enough".

@themanwithoutaplan72

4 ай бұрын

@@silverjohn6037 I see, thank you for the info.

@molochi

4 ай бұрын

As a younger man back in the 80s-90s i associated these and the similar looking semiauto versions as being used by yahoos with no concern for a precise shot. But they probably weren't any worse than a lever action in .30-30 that was the default deer gun on the eastern side of the US.

I do feel like pointing out that twist rate is dictated by the length of the bullet being fired, with longer bullets requiring faster twist to stabilize properly. For a given bullet construction (i.e. jacketed lead core) heavier bullets will be longer within the same bore, and so require faster twist. I only clarify this because of the statement that modern firearms tend to use faster twist rates. This is largely down to a trend towards using heavier bullets in the same calibers than were traditionally used, and/or the increased popularity of lead-free projectiles, which being less dense than lead, tend to be longer for the same weight. Both of these trends tend to dictate faster twist rates than legacy firearms, which were often intended to fire only cup-and-core bullets, and faster velocities with lighter bullets were believed to improve the accuracy potential for average shooters for much of the 20th century.

Love jonathan on the gamespot channel and this was a great video, liked and subbed

This went a lot different to how I expected. Thoroughly enjoyed this video!

I liked the episode. Learned something new today in the sense that I did not know about the trouble had when trying to match the murder weapon to the projectile.

@chemistryofquestionablequa6252

4 ай бұрын

A lot of firearms forensics isn’t nearly as conclusive as they portray it being.

I think the audio balance has been messed up, i'm getting Jonathon's voice through the right channel on my headphones!

Interesting bit of history for a type of rifle I had almost forgotten about. Thanks!

Thanks Jonathan and team. That was an interesting history lesson. It is good to see that a few M-760s are now in the Royal Armouries collection. Ordinary UK rifle shooters have not been allowed to own these since 1989, when they were banned (along with self-loading centrefire files) after the Hungerford mass shooting. I doubt that they were ever a common choice of UK shooters. One of my fellow rifle and pistol club members did own one for the sporting rifle competition event of running deer doubles at Bisley. I guess self-loaders were not allowed and the Remington pump was seen as the best mechanical action for fast reloading without loss of sight picture.

@keithskelhorne3993

4 ай бұрын

and after Hungerford, the ban was and still is a good thing

@derekp2674

4 ай бұрын

@@keithskelhorne3993 So can you explain the logic of banning pump action repeaters but not other mechanical actions?

@hailexiao2770

4 ай бұрын

​@@keithskelhorne3993 How is banning pump actions while allowing bolt and lever actions a good thing?

@jacklurcher5813

4 ай бұрын

@@derekp2674I'll hazard a guess it was a 'rate of effective fire' thing. It took a while for the law to catch up with lever release and MARS action rifles, (technically not semi auto as they required operator action to send the working parts forward after automatic extraction, ejection and cocking of the hammer).

@derekp2674

4 ай бұрын

@@jacklurcher5813 That may have been the case or it may have been a carry over from the reputation of pump action shotguns in gangster movies (or both or neither). I think both MARS and lever release rifles strayed a little close to being fully semiautomatic without quite being so. So, for those, I suspect the concerns were to do with the establishment wanting to defend the principle of banning self loaders no matter what the wording of the law actually said. Back when fairgrounds often included miniature rifle shooting galleries, I enjoyed shooting both Browning self loaders and Winchester pump action rifles there. My paternal grand father was also issued one of those as his first Home Guard weapon. I assume it came from the arms that American NRA members donated for Home Guard use, not long after the start of WW2.

Please do a walk around of the racks always shown behind you. There must be a mad amount of cool stuff to geek out at

Interesting note is that James Earl Ray escaped to Europe after the assassination. He was captured at Heathrow Airport.

@jayfrank1913

4 ай бұрын

J. E. Ray's entire life story is pretty interesting. His escape from prison in Missouri in a laundry cart, his time as a fugitive in Montreal and his attempted escape to the UK. Yes, he did it.

@keithskelhorne3993

4 ай бұрын

@@jayfrank1913 shame he is still a murderer though :) XX

@shawnmiller4781

4 ай бұрын

@@keithskelhorne3993Him or the CIA?

@coopersmith9828

4 ай бұрын

​@keithskelhorne3993 The King family literally went and talked to James Earl Ray and, ever since, have refuted that he was the killer. They then went on to sue the FBI in civil court, and a jury found the FBI guilty of involvement in the death of MLK. None of Ray's family or friends ever reported him having or expressing racist beliefs and at one point he was even in a relationship with a black woman. It is incredibly likely that James Earl Ray did not kill Martin Luther King Jr.

@CM-db5cg

4 ай бұрын

​@@jayfrank1913weird, MLK's family didn't seem to think so, but I guess you followed the case more closely than them.

Thank you for the interesting chat. This event is very cloudy. Take care!

My father bought one of these rifles back in 1973. 30/06 with the short carbine barrel. It now rests in my safe. These rifles had a strong following with eastern deer hunters. Pennsylvania especially. Plenty are still taking game every year. Light and fast handling. Some folks jokingly call it the Amish assault rifle , I’ve nicknamed mine …. The one box wonder,

@mike3020

3 ай бұрын

My dad got mine in 1973 also , I'm 63 now . Still hunt with it . I call mine "meat in the pot " . Thanks pop

@waynebarnett7467

3 ай бұрын

@mike. Lol. That’s a great nickname !!! I think our fathers had great taste in hunting rifles. My father took many PA whitetails and one black bear with his.

Could we have an episode on that particular version of the Carcano next November Jonathon? I'd love to learn from your take on it. A double episode with Ian would be glorious!

there was some strange goings on at the 1975 assassination hearings.my adopted uncle had arrested and interviewed james earl ray in london.he said ray had admitted it said no jury woukd convivt him as he had the backing of some very powerful people.my uncles impression was that hed done the killing but was inflating his powerful connections ,he also claimed to be the godfather of the southern mob for example and boasted of having millions in swiss bank accounts.he was in short a crazy fantasist but his account of the killing left no doubt he had done it.he signed statements to that effect.years later after he retired my uncle was called to washington to give evidence.however an odd thing happened.just before he was called the committee had received a phone call from an attorney for the king family who said he had received information from scotland yard that my uncle had forged the statements made the whole thing up and was awaiting a prison sentence for corruption! they therefore didnt call him.investigation proved the allegations were completely false there was no such information from the yard so he was recalled about 9 months later.sadly just before leaving he unexpectedly dropped dead alone in the pub hed bought on retirement.he was only 57 and in good health.asthma causing a heart attack was given as the cause of death.it was all very odd.

@mikekemp9877

4 ай бұрын

my apologies typo 1979 was the year

@JefferyAshmore

3 ай бұрын

Cia is good at heart attacks.

Audio was very clearly different, but I don't hate it. I saw someone mention that it had changed from mono to stereo for this video, and while it was immediately obvious that something was different it only took a few minutes to get used to. I'm fine if this is how audio is recorded going forward, but maybe it needs to be tweaked a bit so Jonathan's voice is more "in front" than it currently is. Right now he sounds slightly behind me, which made me think the L/R tracks got reversed. That aside, very interesting video!

@RoyalArmouries

4 ай бұрын

Glad it didn't ruin it for you. That's exactly what happened with the L/R tracks! We'll have it fixed for next week's episode, promise.

Very interesting I saw Brandon's video and appreciate your expert opinion as always. Thank you

@stevewatson6839

4 ай бұрын

I liked that every halfdozen comments, someone was rocking their grandad's or great uncle's 760. Brandon's a good egg, but I appreciate his commentariat the more.

I love it when audio is all right 🤣lets gooo edit oh wait the ring on pumps is all left it gets even better

The 760 was a popular Hunting rifle during its manufacture period, more so earlier than towards the end of its run. .308 760s were produced from 1955 until 1981. That's a rotating interrupted thread locking lug on the bolt's head. The rifle recovered was a 760 chambered in 30-06. Both 30-06 and .308 use the same bullet diameter .30 caliber. 30-06 and .308 cartridges share a number of manufactured loadings with the same bullet grain weight. But 30-06 does come in loadings that use a heavier weight than .308 typically does 200 gr, 210 gr, 220 gr. To put a hole in the Theory. 769s were only ever produced with a 1 in 10" Twist Rate barrels. The cartridge chamberinga Remington offered the gun in, all shared a 1 - 10" Twist Rate. So if King was killed with a different gun, it would have to be with a rifle other than a 760. That amount of deformation of the projectile, in reality makes any forensic examination disagreement questionsble.

Great video as always! If I ever vist the Royal Armory can I find you there?

Does the pump counter consider the size of the load?

I very much like the pump counter. But for me i would have liked to hear the pump actiom noise, not an artificial ping noise. If you feel like its necessary, maybe adjust its volume so that the sound the gun makes is still clearly audible. Very interesting video though, thank you guys!

I once went to a lecture given by a UK police firearms expert who explained how a gun leaves it's "fingerprint" on the bullet it fires which the police use to match a gun to it's bullet. During the Q&A session afterwards, I suggested that if you took two brand new rifles straight from the factory production line and fired test shots from each, no-one would be able to tell which rifle fired which bullet. Further, I would put money on it. (I am a professional production engineer and amateur marksman.) He was forced to qualify his earlier statement to say it had to be a fairly well-used gun to apply this technique.

@mandowarrior123

2 сағат бұрын

Those lectures are to convince you not to commit crimes, they aren't to spread truth. They sprinkle all sorts of rubbish on crime shows to make police work easier.

These Remington 760s ( and semi auto 740) used to be very popular, I remember as a kid at deer camp lusting over them I still think for woods deer hunting probably the best rifle out there. They do have a reputation as developing problems if shot much but most deer rifles don’t get shot much. They used to make extended magazines for them Lots of the parts like butt stock, rear sight ( on slug gun) and trigger parts are interchangeable with the 870 shotgun I would think if the US government did it they would use the same gun as the “throw down” weapon

Nice '' Great Stuff Jonathan 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

Reading the title quickly, I had to do a double take as I thought this rifle was used to assassinate "MILK".

@Cats-TM

4 ай бұрын

Who knows, maybe it was.

@GoyzaBagguett

4 ай бұрын

Harvey Milk was at least in the movie assassinated with smith and Wesson model 36

@cpt_nordbart

4 ай бұрын

I was thinking of JFK instead. Which was a Carcano iirc. That's why I was confused for a sec.

@RamArt9091

4 ай бұрын

Moral of the story. if you are a civil rights activist, dont have a name that starts with M.

@danielbretall2236

4 ай бұрын

​@@RamArt9091Milk, MLK, Malcom X, Mandela, Malala... god dammit, you might be on to something 😮

I feel like the pump counter needs to be divided in half. It counted every individual stroke but I feel like one pump is from starting location back to the same spot. Such as if forward, one pump would be both back and forward

A secondary, and perhaps better matching method in this case, would be to examine the fired cases and match bolt face/ case head markings. The bolt face will also leave unique markings on the case head, which can be attributed to a particular rifle.

The mechanics of that beauty is making my head spin. It's different yet unique.

The Rem760 is usually referred to as a “slide action” rifle and was better suited to use in wooded areas. I had one here in Arizona chambered in .223. Cumbersome to use sometimes, especially from the prone. Interesting gun in that caliber but ended up as a gun safe Queen every time it changed hands.

Could you make a video on the pistol that shot the Sheriff, but did not shoot the Deputee? Thanks.

These were very popular in states where you could not hunt with semi autos, like PA back in the 70's. Also comfortable for shooter used to hunting with pump shot guns. My Dad has one that is a fancier BDL version of this in 30.06. Suprisingly accurate for a pump gun, just a bit heavy to carry all day.

Great man was lost that day😢... He just wanted to do it was right and bring the world together and they killed him for it...

@LiveDonkeyDeadLion

4 ай бұрын

I feel sad that I never to got to live in a world with a man as great as him, but privileged to have lived on the same planet with the people he inspired. I saw a photo of a protest sign. It said, “Dear white people: Stop using Dr King as an example of peaceful protest… you shot him too”. Poignant and sadly true

@danirizary6926

4 ай бұрын

Well said

@ISHIDDEDANDFARDED

4 ай бұрын

Thank the FBI for that one.

@molochi

4 ай бұрын

@@ISHIDDEDANDFARDED It's interesting that early conspiracy theorists attribute the CIA or the FBI to 60's slayings. Not to later ones like the attempt on Reagan or all of the school shootings that started after guns started getting banned.

@jonathanferguson1211

4 ай бұрын

Who is "they"?

Why is the pump counter going up for the slide forward What

I shot the semiautomatic version. Very powerful, very reliable, very accurate, tons of recoil.

Great video as usual. Thanks

great video once again

Low Magazine capacity is mainly due to hunting regulations in the US. Four round max is typical. Higher capacity mags are available for the 760 as well as the semi-auto version. Reliability of these mags can be an issue.

The pump counter was nice, but the ding sound was a bit distracting. At first I thought the gun was making it, and then after I realized that it had been added in post, I was a bit disappointed that it slightly covered up the actual sound.

From the title I thought that was the actual gun James Earl Ray used and thought man, that's a hell of a catch for the museum

I would love to see I video on the AKMSU, it’s a very interesting firearm and there’s not too much info on it and the Wikipedia page states that it’s in possession of the royal armories

I have a gamemaster in .243. Excellent whitetail rifle

As an American viewer of your channel, I recognizes a Remington pump, action rifle probably a model 7600 From the 1960s In my generation is a very common firearm, and was based off of pump action, 410 shotgun So very common caliber were 3006 270 243 these were bottleneck rifle cartridges at the time that are still available Unfortunately, Remington had to shut operation down as a bankruptcy, and his resurrected self is rem arms, and of course, there are no financial position to make this firearm I just find it cute that you would display this to the viewers is not a shotgun. It’s just so familiar to me.

@JefferyAshmore

3 ай бұрын

Model 760 was pump action used.

@michaelchen8643

3 ай бұрын

Remington change the model numbers of their pump, action rifles over the years Yes, the Revington 760 was the one that would most likely be used because that was the first model number Remington used on the pump action rifle developed and introduced a 1952 and they made this using this model number to 1981 which would cover the year 1967 when it was used by James Earl Ray to murder Martin Luther King Then it was changed to Remington 7600 On the top of my head, I can’t remember these as much but here in the United States they’re very common sporting rifles Unfortunately Remington when they went bankrupt and then acquired and turned into Rem arms Are not likely gonna find a business case to resurrect this production Rem arms Is a hollow and recreation of Remington arms, and I don’t know if they’re gonna be able to bring it up to the quality once had

I had a Savage 5 shot 12 gauge pump action shot gun with adjustable choke I used to use for English skeet same safety.

My Dido (grandpa) used a 270 & 30-06 gamemasters for many years to elk and moose hunt in Saskatchewan Canada. I personally get messed up when thinking about reloading while big game hunting. I instinctively try to rack the bolt rather than pump haha

If the twist rates were dramatically different I would be open to the possibility, but if the guy is saying 1-11 vs 1-10, my gut says that's gotta be within the tolerance of measurements, not an actual difference.

Referred to also as 'slide action', which is more correct. Remingtons are marked with a two letter code on the left side of the barrel near the breech. Month and date of manufacture may be deciphered thereby.

@AKguru762

4 ай бұрын

Assuming the barrel is factory original. The date code is when the barrel was manufactured. 870’s can be hard to properly date because the barrels are so easily changed.

@BaikalTii

4 ай бұрын

@AKguru762 except this is a 760, not an 870. Much more difficult to change the barrel.

@AKguru762

4 ай бұрын

@@BaikalTiiit’s still a barrel manufacturing date. The 760 take a barrel nut wrench to remove. It’s done on many a workbench at home.

Why would you put an annoying bell sound over every time the slide is pumped?

there was a version in 556 that used AR Mags. It didnt sell very well. there's also 10 round mags available . In the 80s there was a few Police Depts that issued these. IMO those are not very accurate.

@gw5436

3 күн бұрын

Many of these were sold in Australia due to the difficulties obtaining a semi auto for primary production use. In fact, 1000's were. My wife uses a 223, called a "7615" because it uses AR "stanag" mags. We also have two 308's for workers to use. The 223 will easily shoot MOA, despite the oft repeated story they don't from people who have never used one, or mastered (or modified) the creepy 870 trigger. And ours here all were imported with had 1 in 7 twists, and will shoot 64gn and up projectiles beautifully and accurately. However, factory 55gn ammo here everywhere with the Sierrz Blitzking projectiles shoot MOA absolutely.

There is a date code on the barrel that would give the month and year it was made. Remington stated using it in the 1920’s.

My cat was VERY CONFUSED by the sound from the pump action. She looked around the room for the source of this mysterious, repeating ringing noise.

I was wondering why it did a ringing sound, took until pump 6 to figure out, I am not very smart

@MrWansty

4 ай бұрын

same here i was thinking how do you creep up on a deer with that noise ...lol

Very interesting video and if my memory is correct it was used in a Japanese comic (aka manga) as part of its story and they highlight its use in hunting purposes in general in japan(and general legalise to character's possession of it) nice to hear the factual stuff about this interesting rifle though.

In at least one state that I believe is Pennsylvania, hunting with semiauto rifles was not legal and perhaps is still illegal for the hunting of big game. Remington made a sister rifle to the pump action 760 that was the 740 and 742 and then a later model that were semiautos. Of course many twists are used in 30 bore or 308 diameter rifles. It has changed, but at one time military and factory 30-06 rifles were routinely 1 in 10 twists and the original Springfield rifle cartridge, the 30-03 fired a long 220 gr bullet just as the Krag rifle did. In 1906 when they changed the bullet wt to 150 grains, the twist was not changed IIRC. Most 308 Win/7.62x51) rifles were most often in 1 in 12 to 12.5 and were almost never loaded with a 220 grain bullet. The proposed 1 in 11 or was it 11.5 twist, sounds more like for a .308 or something else. By the way James Earl Ray was not convicted by a trial: Ray was convicted in 1969 after entering a guilty plea-thus forgoing a jury trial and the possibility of a death sentence. The family of MLK never believed that Ray was the killer. Thanks for the review of this topic and I was not aware of the issue of the bullet matching the evidence rifle.

@impulse_xs

3 ай бұрын

These rifles are still the king of PA to this day due to their incredibly moronic hunting regulations. Practically everybody owns one.

Great information in this video, but I must agree that the pump action counter and click-bait title don't quite match the solemnity of the topic.

The Gamemaster rifle, used to keep unruly TTRPG groups in line.

My annoying brain is arguing that back and forward counts as just a single pump, not two. o.0

@jonathanferguson1211

4 ай бұрын

Your annoying brain is right :D

Oswald's rifle is also interesting, a very cheap Italian rifle ordered by a mail order firm with no ID, it was an Italian Fucile di Fanteria Modello 91/38 manufactured at the Royal Arms Factory in Terni and cost under $20, it's amazing to think a rifle so cheap could rack off so many shots on target form such a distance by a shooter under extreme pressure,

@JefferyAshmore

3 ай бұрын

The best bolt military rifles were that price then. I bought mausers by the crate for 15 bucks each in 1980s common practice then, a much better rifle than the carcano either way a chip shot at 89 yards.

Apparently the pump action rifle is pretty popular in Australia after their fullbore semi-auto ban. Pretty sure here in the UK they were included in the 1988 Firearms act. (Apart from .22 obviously) ....Along with the revolving shotgun, which I always found really odd. 💁🏼‍♂️

@interestingoldthings4889

4 ай бұрын

There are so few revolving shotguns that ever went into production that I think the revolving shotgun ban may have been in response to the Cobray Streetsweeper, which was a scary-looking revolving shotgun with a stupid name. The same thing happened here in the States, where it is now restricted. The fact is, the gun itself is utterly pants.

@Ryan.90

4 ай бұрын

@@interestingoldthings4889 100% always makes me chuckle though, when you you think of that v an unrestricted semi auto..

Am I the only person who heard "Im Free!" Everytime Jonathan pumped the handle? 😆😆😆

The mag release is totally garbage. The autoloading version has the same one, and it is the weak point of the rifle

@junodeer

4 ай бұрын

Totally, I own both, the mag release is the worst part

@johnstacy7902

4 ай бұрын

the whole gun is a weak point.

There is something special in shouldering the gun while wearing a tweed sport jacket.

After this video there is going to be at LEAST one person who thinks shotguns make a "cash-register" sound.

@SGortelli

4 ай бұрын

Haha true!

@RoyalArmouries

4 ай бұрын

Oops.

@stevemc6010

4 ай бұрын

..they do, in certain instances!

Very sensitively handled.

royal armories (potentially) referencing brandon hererra... wow.

Thanks for the pump counter. Now i can't focus on what he's saying.

0:27 sounded like a microwave bell

The pump counter is wrong, every backward and forward movement count as one "Pump".

The dings are just added in for the counter, right?

As far as I know, since the term “pump action” has an almost 100% relation to smoothbore shotguns, to differentiate rifled barrel weapons from them many would call something like the model 760 as SLIDE ACTION. Or was is just the Colt Lightning? 🤔

@FoxtrotFleet

4 ай бұрын

According to period paper advertisements, yes you're completely correct. Remington marketed these rifles as slide action, and their shotguns as pump action.

Pretty standard hunting rifle in the states

That is a Remington model 760 pump rifle and it's the same caliber as the one used in the assassination James Earl Ray used a 30.06

Remington 760 game master in 30-06 it also had a scope.

My dad had one of these in .270. Kicked like a mule.

@Red-vn4xq

3 ай бұрын

The first one I got was like that. I sold it. The next one I got didn't kick that much. I never understood why. Both were 270, 7600's. Anyways I like them, alot

My question is, how do you get a 9mm to fit down the barrel of a 30-06 which is 30 caliber?

@johnnorman7708

3 ай бұрын

You don't. 9mm is .355" or .356" or essentially a .35 caliber.

I've never owned it or the slight model derivatives that came later. Although I've seen and handled several. Now with the "new Remington" I doubt they'll be put back into production. And Jonathan just said why.....always wanted one in .308win. 😛 Most here you find in .243, .270 and.30-06. Oh and at least in the states 10rd magazines. Sigh there's always a conspiracy with assassinations. 🙄

@junodeer

4 ай бұрын

I have both the auto and pump in .308, nice firearms, some of the feature are definitely dated like the mag release lol

@junodeer

4 ай бұрын

I find the guns work better with 5 rnd mags, the 10 rnders always jammed and had feeding issues

@lardomcfarty9866

4 ай бұрын

FBI definitely had him killed

Pump counter is best counter

My first real.rifle was a Remmington 760 in 30/06 and my second was a 740 in 30/06. That was back in the early 80s and they're still as good as new, minus most of the bluing from heavy use over the years

Modern-day ballistic tests could test propellant for the round ?

It’s the casings that they match if found at the scene of the crime

"Convicted" the quotation marks are important

The pump counter counted one for some down strokes and one for up strokes and then other times counted one for a full pump down and back. Who was running that thing?

Aside from the variability of ballistics measurements, the danger in a high-profile case is expectation bias. So blind testing would be necessary- not knowing the history of any given sample, and preferably (but probably not possible) no knowledge of the significance of the results.

Interesting. I'd read somewhere that it was a BAR, but I dismissed that as unlikely, and actually had no idea what weapon actually was involved until now. MLK's assassination definitely does not get the coverage JFK's, but JFK's has the intrigue of the assassin being killed.

@JohnSmith-jj2yd

4 ай бұрын

I've definitely also heard the murder weapon reported as a "scoped BAR" in the past which I also thought was odd. I assume it was just an error? Either misreporting or somebody misidentified at the time or misremembered in an interview?

@Moredread25

4 ай бұрын

@@JohnSmith-jj2yd I did some research. It looks like the first police bulletin that was posted after the assassination was for a young white man in dark clothes who dashed out of a building across the street and dropped a Browning automatic rifle with a telescopic sight before fleeing in a car. There's a bunch of archived newspaper stories if you use the full name and a couple other key words. That's interesting, first reporting is often wrong.

@baneofbanes

4 ай бұрын

When they say “BAR” they’re jot referring to the BAR used by the US military in WW1 and WW2. They’re referring to a brand of semi auto hunting rifles that one of John Browning’s sons developed after WW2.

@Moredread25

4 ай бұрын

@huntersmith761 That seems to make sense, I think it was mentioned in the video this gun is similar to a semi-auto. I think it's understandable that for someone who reads Browning automatic rifle to first think of the military BAR.

I took a drink at every pump counter....what were we talking about again?

Even MLK ‘s family doesn’t believe that guy shot him.

in my personal experience (U.S. only) the average hunter is convinced that powerful rifles are deadlier than less powerful rifles. None of the Remington hi-powered guns from the early 60s onward were particularly well made, especially the slide actions and autos. I made it a point never to buy one used. Most hunters are aiming at deer that weigh less than 150 pounds at close range---this hardly calls for a 270 or an 06.

With the counter it sounds like an old cash register. Would be awesome if the rifle would be the hunting version of the M1 Garand ping😂

I have never heard a pump that sounds so much like a cash register hahah

The bullet msmith2646 referenced is from the JFK assassination not the MLK one

Grand pappys hunting rifle! No kidding...my grandpa hunted with a remington pump 30-06. Pretty damned good gun actually.