I work in an ER. Our hospital has a CEO. The CEO is a good guy and I think he does a good job as the CEO. But if there were some sort of mass casualty disaster and he showed up in the ER, there wouldn’t be many meaningful things he could do. Perhaps a few ordinary tasks like getting blankets or helping communicate information. I suspect that Ismay was in a similar situation as the boat began to sink from under him. He was used to leading, but not in this way.

@CaptainNelson230

3 жыл бұрын

Very well put. I too work in a hospital and you are correct in your viewpoint.

@puuxexil

3 жыл бұрын

lol, so true. CEO can penswipe a check if there's a resource bottleneck, but that's about it. No good to anyone on the Titanic.

@Catullus_J_5

2 жыл бұрын

Very well put, but, already being on the ship, you can see why he would feel obligated to help.

@DrJeykl

2 ай бұрын

I agree. Side note, my hospital’s CEO is a RN. Mrs Dick is a very capable nurse and a hell of a CEO.

@TheNelster72

Ай бұрын

@@DrJeykl I wish you well in your quest to be promoted.

At least one passenger, Edith Russell, attributed her being saved to Ismay. She had been very hesitant to get into a lifeboat. Fairly late in the sinking Ismay noticed her on the boat deck and was alarmed to find her still on board. He directed her attention, and possibly escorted her, to lifeboat 11, which was being filled from the A deck promenade, and finally prevailed on her to get off the ship. After that incident, Russell hadn't a word of criticism against Ismay.

It just blows my mind that if the RMS Titanic was traveling 20 feet to the left, none of this would have happened.

@sweetassugar2076

3 жыл бұрын

Shit happens!

@deeellebee9720

3 жыл бұрын

Even less - if I remember right, she only hit by less than ten feet. So hauntingly close - Titanic really was on the knife's edge of safety and disaster that night

@75OldsNinetyEight

3 жыл бұрын

Or…. She could have hit a different iceberg, doing more damage, and sinking faster than what actually happened

@lawrencebraun7616

3 жыл бұрын

The biggest werd in the dictionary is IF. If Titanic moved over a little. If the space shuttle listen to ice warning. If the 737 max computers went thru a few more test

@doncarlin9081

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, if the Titanic hit the iceberg head on, it way not have sunk or at least took much longer to sink.

The public needed a scapegoat after the sinking and Ismay was the sacrificial lamb.

@BreakerInc

3 жыл бұрын

There were more than a few sacrificial lambs when it comes to the Titanic, many who didn't deserve it.. but such is life.

@jadsmvs8651

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely.

@term25600

3 жыл бұрын

You are right. If Ismay had not arrenged to build the titanic, it couldnt have sunk.

@GrumpyIan

3 жыл бұрын

@@BreakerInc basically every captain that's operating a ship that sunk is always blamed even if it was out of their hands. Like the USS Indianapolis, Charles McVay was court marshalled, smeared by the press for being responsible for the sinking, and even the captain of I-58 defended him saying there was nothing McVay could have done to prevent getting hit by the torpedo. It wasn't until after he killed himself all the charges were lifted.

@starrsmith3810

2 жыл бұрын

There’s more then one scapegoat and I’ve seen multiple people get blamed when it wasn’t deserved: Ismay, Captain Smith, Jack Phillips, and Thomas Andrews

Ismay by all accounts was genuinely trying to be helpful on the boat deck, he also never ever mentioned going full speed. And he was devastated after the sinking, he never ever got over the sinking. He was smeared and made to look terrible. The fact he genuinely was concerned about Olympic showing up and causing distress to survivors shows he did care

@remtanic2617

3 жыл бұрын

not to mention comforting the passengers, wasn't he the one to point out the Californian on the horizon?

@hamishmonk8656

3 жыл бұрын

@@remtanic2617 not sure, but I remember he spent the time before collapsible C was lowered filling it with women and children,had he not taken that seat, he would not have filled it at all.

@dieseljester3466

3 жыл бұрын

It didn't help that he had a falling out with William Randolph Hearst (yeah, THAT Hearst who was the villain portrayed in Newsies) who took every opportunity to smear Ismay in his papers after the Titanic went down.

@jp-legal

2 жыл бұрын

First it was not his concern. The commander of the Olympic offered to pick up the passengers, but it was in fact Captain Rostron who was concerned to avoid further discussion with Olympic and for back up he asked Ismay to get further leverage on his decision. Therefore I cite the communication between Rostron and Olympic: "22. Carpathia to Olympic, 15 April, recd 3.15 p.m. NYT. Captain Olympic 7.30 GMT Carpathia lat 41° 15’ N 51° 45’ W. Am steering South 87 West true. Returning to New York with Titanic’s passengers. Rostron. 23. Carpathia to Olympic, 15 April, recd 3.18 p.m. NYT. Mr Bruce Ismay is under an opiate. Rostron. 24. Carpathia to Olympic, 15 April, recd 3.20 p.m. NYT. Commander Olympic Do you think it is advisable Titanic’s passengers see Olympic. Personally I say not. Rostron. 25. Carpathia to Olympic, 15 April, recd 3.22 p.m. NYT. Commander Olympic Mr Ismay orders Olympic not to be seen by Carpathia. No transfer to take place. Rostron." (Williams, Thomas B. Titanic and the Californian . The History Press. Kindle-Version. Position ca. 728 of 4176) You can think about that Ismay was similarly traumatized and not eager to be picked up by the sister ship himself which is not exactly an altruistic motive... The way the company treated the families of the deceased workers is also a sign of character...

@davidbakko3872

2 жыл бұрын

Islay wasn't like cal right?

I don’t think you phrased it right when you said that Lowe was “under” Ismay. From a workplace kind of standpoint …yeah, he was. But on a ship, especially in an emergency, no matter if you are the President, if you are a passenger, you have to do what the crew says, period.

@Riceball01

3 жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same thing. Aboard the Titanic, despite being the president of White Stars Line, on the Titanic he was just another passenger with little to no authroiry. It's like this in the military, aboard aircraft, the pilot is in command regardless of the rank of any passengers. Likewise aboard a ship, the head of the Navy could be on board but it's still the skipper's ship and day to day operations of it are under the perview of the ship's captain.

@starrsmith3810

2 жыл бұрын

I read that Lowe didn’t even know who Ismay was.

@starrsmith3810

2 жыл бұрын

@@Monicalia and then Ismay said “that is quite right” and tries to apologize to him. Honestly it’s a funny as hell scene about a funny as hell story. Well at least that part was funny to me, I need some light hearted humor in a messed up situation like this.

@Truecrimeresearcher224

2 жыл бұрын

@@starrsmith3810 it's very possible. Especially in an age where it was print and not internet. odds are the president of the company didn't exactly go to see the workers of the company

@starrsmith3810

2 жыл бұрын

@@Truecrimeresearcher224 that makes it all the more hilarious to me. And Ismay wasn’t even offended I think lol.

To be fair if I was yelled at by Captain Bloody Hornblower I'd make myself scarce too.

This story needed a villain. He was the one they chose.

@JayDeeDonuts

3 жыл бұрын

Yes agreed

@VanillaGorilla909

3 жыл бұрын

100 percent on point.

@Sabrinajaine

3 жыл бұрын

Surely the damn iceberg should be the villain

@speed150mph

3 жыл бұрын

This comment reminds me of Thomas Durants speech in the show Hell on Wheels. “The American people are in need of a villain, so here I sit. Elected by you to play my part; the part of the scapegoat”

@paulboger7377

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sabrinajaine, the human villain. The iceberg was the catalyst for the rest of the nights events.

That's kind of how they did it in the movie A Night to Remember there was nobody standing around at that moment Ismay saw open seat in the Lifeboat and just stepped in and first Officer Murdoch watch him step in as he lowered the boat and then just continue to lower the boat

@rogerrendzak8055

3 жыл бұрын

@ncc1701chris. Yes, that's how it was portrayed, in "A NIGHT TO REMEMBER". I grew up watching this movie. This was the British version, after Hollywoods 1953's " TITANIC". I read the book, also (A NIGHT TO REMEMBER). BTW, like you're 'moniker' (username)!!! I'm a fan, too.

@christiansrensen1799

3 жыл бұрын

Cameron did the same. Ismay clearly looked around, Murdoch was calling for more passengers and then just accepted Ismay in the 1/2 filled lifeboat.

@da1king0fwakanda56

2 жыл бұрын

James Cameron’s 1997 film actually did the same.

Drowning and disappearing forever into the ocean's depths would be to absolutely no one's benefit.

@harrietharlow9929

3 жыл бұрын

That's what it boils down to. He attempted to get passengers to lifeboats. There was no reason for him to go down with the ship. As for lifeboats, the BOT didn't change the regulations before the voyage although there was a chance for them to do so.

@jerrystuch6723

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a terrible way to leave this world. Your family can’t even lay you to rest in a regular grave site. All they’ll have is the memory of you in their hearts

@TheNotverysocial

3 жыл бұрын

@@jerrystuch6723 What's more is no one paid a fortune to be on this ship just to be drowned days later.

In retrospect, the Titanic became the most famous ship of all time only after she sank. Prior to the sinking, Ismay was merely doing his job. Indeed, he had no idea the ship would run into an iceberg and catapult his name into the history books, albeit for the wrong reasons.

Mr Ismay definitely didn't deserve all that abuse. Shame on those that did it.

@FrankieTeardrop1998

2 жыл бұрын

James Cameron sure didn't make his reputation any better.

@Truecrimeresearcher224

2 жыл бұрын

Its like today when a company messes up it's the CEO who takes the blame

@Truecrimeresearcher224

2 жыл бұрын

@@FrankieTeardrop1998 he was going with what was put into history

@bigships

2 жыл бұрын

It was the Americans and the press who demonised Ismay the British inquiry said that he had acted honourably in helping women and children into the boats before leaving himself.

@DJ-jn3on

2 жыл бұрын

I think one of the Americans was a newspaper boss,was it Hearst? He acted despicably to Ismay.

Ismay's role has been overplayed by many who need a villain. He would be interested in the performance of the Titanic during the crossing. So he would have had conversations with Captain Smith and Thomas Andrews during the crossing about the Titanic's performance. During the sinking he appears to have helped several and did stay aboard to very near the end. In the movie 'A Night to Remember' he is shown looking around and seeing no one else getting into the lifeboat. About the lifeboats, the Olympic class could carry enough lifeboats and it was expected the Board of Trade would update the regulations. But Olympic and Titanic carried more than the regulations required. The model for lifeboat use was the sinking of the RMS Republic a few years earlier.

What you taught us about the lifeboats being ferries is so fascinating and really clarifies why the authorities took so long to assess any changes even though numbers of passengers were far exceeding lifeboat capacity on a 1:1 ratio. Thank you. Also, I wish they kept that deleted scene in. It’s goes a long way to show Ismay’s mental struggle. Imagine his thought process at the time. Everything from the White Star as a company, the ship itself, the passengers, his own life and family. It’s quite a good performance showing his emotional pain in a very short scene.

I go on a big Titanic binge every 5-10 years, soaking up all of the information I can find until I've had enough. There seems to be so much information that is either new, or that I missed in previous binges. Love the videos!

@2Pi100

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-lv7ph7hs7l my last binge was on the 100th anniversary, haven't revisited since. Also haven't revisited since the night of my comment lol

@peachesmcgee4795

Жыл бұрын

I'm on my first! So much info out there these days.

Ismay didn't deserve that hate. It literally destroyed his career and life. If it wasn't enough being branded as a dishonorable coward, he was in mourning. He had lost some of his best friends in the disaster, Captain Smith, Thomas Andrews, the list goes on. I would just want to hug him if I were there.

@zephyr8072

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention the Titanic itself. He invested his dreams into the Olympic class only to see the second ship sink on her first voyage. I imagine what happened to the Britannic was a further bad blow for him.

I've NEVER believed Ismay was the villain. As another commenter said, Ismay, some years before, had run afoul of William Randolph Hearst; I don't recall the details, but apparently as I seem to remember, Hearst offered to Ismay a business dealing on something, and Ismay rejected it. This left Hearst with a grudge against the White Star Chairman. When TITANIC went down, and Ismay survived, Hearst saw this as the perfect opportunity to get back at his old "enemy". Of course, Hearst owned many "yellow press" newspapers, and he used them to destroy Ismay's reputation. Ismay's entry into the boat I see less as a 'coward trying to escape while others died', and more as a man that, at the moment, was emotionally overcome by what was happening, and did not act as he normally would. Think about his position; here was the largest and most luxurious ship in the world, one which he (and Pirrie) had conceived and brought into form, a triumph of maritime construction peopled with the wealthiest men and women in the world on board, a ship he was assured could not be sunk (by anything save the most extreme and inconceivable situation, anyway), and the unthinkable was happening, and this triumph of a vessel was minutes from going to the bottom with a thousand-plus on board and no way to save them. If you were him, would YOU not be overwhelmed by the situation? I don't think the historical judgement of damnation of the man is in any way fair, and that, while there Is some aspect of blame on him, it is FAR less then the popular narrative deserves. Is Ismay responsible for the sinking of the TITANIC? For the most part, no. He is a FACTOR in it, but he is not the TITANIC's "devil".

@Bryzerse

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he should even be called a factor. If he wasn't there, that's just 1 less survivor, not to mention the people he convinced to get in lifeboats. And if a typical executive had been there, they would likely be much worse, perhaps demanding more speed or not aiding the evacuation.

@zephyr8072

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that Hearst also had his rags spread lies that Ismay dressed as a woman in order to steal a place on a lifeboat. There was absolutely nothing wrong with Ismay taking a spot on a lifeboat. That’s why Hearst had to make up stupid BS to libel Ismay.

@timmiekat6072

Жыл бұрын

He got offered a seat since there were no more women and children and took it just like hundreds of other men on the ship

@jaredchampagne2752

11 ай бұрын

@@timmiekat6072I’m sure there was plenty of husbands right near that lifeboat he was on that had to watch their wives and kids lowered into the ocean, knowing that they themselves would die a frigid death and they would never see them again, while Ismay got a free pass to survive, I’m not saying he was responsible for the sinking, but a pretty cowardice move to hop into a lifeboat, when theres a thousand other people that didn’t get a seat.

@jaredchampagne2752

11 ай бұрын

There was still a thousand+ other men that were just as emotionally crippled from the situation, knowing they were facing certain death, as they watched their wives and kids get lowered, to never see them again, but some rich guy who was alone on board magically got a seat to escape. I’m not saying he’s responsible for the sinking, but a relatively cowardice move to selfishly grab a seat, as he watched 1500 other people on board that were going to die, from a ship he was basically in charge of.

Finally someone who gave Ismay some justice against the defamation he had.

@fmyoung

29 күн бұрын

it was just a bad idea though to spell his name backwards when he contacted the White Star offices in NY. It looked questionable - like a coverup, in other words - towards American authorities so that and the fact that the sinking took place in its territorial waters gave the US every right to conduct an investigation. He didn't cause the sinking all right (he was not the one who issued the orders that failed to save the ship) but he certainly contributed to the magnitude of the disaster by providing far from enough lifeboats

Bruce Ismay definitely did NOT deserve the treatment he got after the sinking. I heard some interviews with his family members of things Ismay said about the sinking after and he felt horrible about it. He was VERY much concerned about the passengers.

@johnschwalb

3 жыл бұрын

It came from a reporter who hated him and used the tragedy to smear him. Its similar to what the media does today.

@Truecrimeresearcher224

2 жыл бұрын

Its like today when a business messes up the CEO takes the heat He deserved some of the hate and treatment not all

@merafirewing6591

Жыл бұрын

​@@Truecrimeresearcher224 yeah, the rest of it was uncalled for.

@opticalraven1935

Жыл бұрын

​@@Truecrimeresearcher224No, he didn't deserve being smeared at all. He didn't do anything.

@zephyr8072

Жыл бұрын

There was nothing inherent in the design of the Titanic, the actions of the crew or the policies of White Star that leas to the sinking. At worst there were safety standards followed by every trans-atlantic company that were inadequate. Thus ismay deserved not of the vitriol thrown at him. His only crime was surviving.

Fantastic, I have never seen that deleted scene before what they should of kept in.

I can't believe there was nobody around one of the last lifeboats so Ismay allowed himself to climb on it...

@epicemuchilz

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, there's hundreds of passengers on board of the sinking titanic and when the last lifeboat is leaving the ship there's nobody around? Quite an unrealistic scenario. Is there any testimony from other people in Ismay's lifeboat that can confirm this?

@trevorbluesquirrel899

3 жыл бұрын

Collapsible C was at the bow, which was nearly underwater, and the 1st funnel was about to fall, most people were running towards the stern to avoid the water, so makes sense that probably not many were around that could have climbed in instead!

@emmabauer1906

Жыл бұрын

I'm curious where his valet & secretary were. They accompanied him on the ship & didn't survive. Why weren't they taken too or did they refuse to go in the boat?

@fmyoung

29 күн бұрын

He actually knew that there were far from enough lifeboats thanks to his own conscious decision If ismay thought that lifeboats weren’t that important then why hop into one when his ship was going down

I always felt sorry for Ismay, who knows what they would do in that kind of emergency situation.

@trevorbluesquirrel899

3 жыл бұрын

Anyone would try to survive, that's the instinct of any animal!

@fmyoung

29 күн бұрын

He knew actually that there were far from enough lifeboats thanks to his own conscious decision If ismay thought that lifeboats weren’t that important then why hop into one when his ship was going down

Wow Sam, I've been studying 'TITANIC', for the most part of my life (since I was a little kid, I'm almost 60 now), I also have a lot of knowledge on this subject, but here I am, 'learning' even more, from you!!!! BRAVO!!!

@annabellemontgomery2036

3 жыл бұрын

Sam Where do you get your information ? Are you a member of Titanic Historical Society?

James Cameron took the cowards way of presenting Ismay’s character. The lower away scene should have been left. There also was another ridiculous deleted scene with Ismay arriving on board the Carpathia and everyone looking at him with disgust. As if everyone knew who he was..

@misterrain837

3 жыл бұрын

I personally think Cameron’s movie was ridiculous. Bad writing. The only thing I liked about it is the representation of the ship itself. Other than that, that movie is utter trash, imho.

@timothygodwin7575

3 жыл бұрын

@@misterrain837 I disagree, the things that james cameron did to make the audience truly understand the disaster was amazing. The writing was great and the movie was great. There’s a reason that it was the highest grossing film at one time and there is a reason that Titanic is considered one of the best films ever made and that’s public opinion, not my opinion. James Cameron did an amazing job. He made ismay a villain because that is how people of the time saw him. It may not be true but in order for us the audience to truly understand it, we have to see it the way they saw it. They saw him as a villain after the fact so we had to see him as the villain as well. Cora in the film wasn’t based on a real person but we needed her so that we could feel the loss of a child we know and understand how heartbreaking it was that not only did adults die but children died as well. We needed jack and rose so we could understand the loss of a loved one like so many people experienced that night. We needed the class difference between jack and rose to understand how it felt to be a third class passenger with no hope of getting a life boat. We needed to see how lucky jack thought he was to win a ticket and to meet rose and fall in love so that we could understand how and why everyone thought titanic was the ship of dreams. And sure, captain smith didn’t just give up and go down with the ship like he did in the movie but we had to see that so we could understand how and why alot of people felt hopeless and how they felt like there was no point in even trying because there was no way to survive. James Cameron put so much thought into that movie, he worked so hard to make the audience feel as though they were experiencing the titanic disaster firsthand instead of just watching a movie and he did it in a subliminal way so that instead of it all being obvious that this is why we are showing you this and this is why we are showing you that, it all happened subconsciously and without you even knowing it you are experiencing all of the things that those people experienced that night. They experienced it all because it was real so he had to find a way for us to experience it as if it were real too and the way he did that was by getting us use to the people and things in the movie and then suddenly taking them away from us which is exactly what happened to them in real life. It had to be subconsciously because thats how it works in real life and the fact that he succeeded in doing that with every aspect of the film is truly amazing. I don’t think you understand that. You say it was bad because some of the facts weren’t right but it isn’t about right or wrong, it’s about making us experience it like they did. Everyone hated ismay after the disaster in real life so he had to be made the villain in the movie. He wasn’t a bad guy in real life but people still saw him that way so we had to see him that way too. Just in the movie they had to over do it a little bit so that they could get the point across and really make us hate ismay so that we could be in the same state of mind as they were. In real life they had all of this horrible pain and sadness and were looking for someone to blame and ismay was the best choice but we didn’t have that same sensation so they had to use a different method of getting us to hate him in order for us to be in the same mindset as the real passengers. If you watch through the movie now that you know that and now that you understand what james Cameron was trying to accomplish i think that you will have a different opinion of the movie.

@Nurembergwarcriminal

3 жыл бұрын

@@misterrain837 i agree

@trevorbluesquirrel899

3 жыл бұрын

Cameron did show him helping people into lifeboats, and pretty much all media depicts him as the villain!

@stevenschiro1838

2 жыл бұрын

@@misterrain837 plinkett’s review on red letter media is great

In context, just the fact that the company's owner survived the disaster when so many did not was enough to vilify the man, regardless of who he really was or, what he did or did not do. You give a explanation based on available facts and "common sense" , and you do it very well. Thank you for another great and passionate video!

@georgiabh13

3 жыл бұрын

💯

It's a classic case of an early 1900s, high-level businessman being far too wrapped up in his own self-importance. He probably figured that as president of the company, he was expected to do 'something'.

@tonyperez4791

3 жыл бұрын

100 years later , nothing has changed ! Hope you have a great week !

@BillSikes.

2 жыл бұрын

He should have gone down with the ship, like Captain Smith !

Ismay did truly try to help the passengers on the Titanic. He only got on the lifeboat after helping to evacuate as many people as he could. Most lifeboats weren't even filled up to full capacity anyway so Ismay getting into the boat when nobody else was around nearby was a logical move at the time

Concerning the altercation between 5th Officer Lowe and Ismay, when Lowe was pressed on the matter by senator Smith during the American Inquiry, Ismay, who was present in the room, gave Lowe the permission to repeat the exact phrases that he said that night. It was "If you will get to hell out of that I shall be able to do something. Do you want me to lower away quickly? You will have me drown the whole lot of them". And Ismay said nothing and walked away. This is corroborated by Ismay's own testimony.

Ismay also forced a maid (her words not his) to get on a lifeboat and she protested that she was just a maid (implying there were more important people to save) And he was like "..... So ? You're a woman, get in. " and convinced her to get on board.

With my sense of humor, I naturally dubbed him "J. Bruce Dismay" after learning his name and role in the disaster. He seems to have gotten a disproportionate amount of the blame for the sinking by vast numbers of traumatized survivors and bereaved next-of-kin to those who died in the disaster. This was entirely understandable, as people in that situation need a scapegoat to blame for the horror. I think Ismay was conscientious and well-intentioned. At worst, he was guilty of initial overconfidence, and of a very understandable, if not excusable, urge to survive when he was in position to board a lifeboat at the time he did. He may well have regretted not going down with the ship in hindsight, after ultimately becoming the pariah he did.

@ToreDL87

Жыл бұрын

In addition he was ordered into the lifeboat. That about seals it as far as I'm concerned.

I love how Titanic is known because of how many unnecessary deaths there were thanks to some lifeboats not being filled completely and Lightoller not allowing men onto the boats. We can all agree that is bad, yeah? So if that's the case there is no reason to be mad at Ismay. If you are mad at Ismay, you are mad at him for not becoming another unnecessary death that Titanic was so infamous for. He helped load boats, when there was no one left to get on the boat he saw a free seat and asked if he could take it. Literally no good reason to be mad at him.

@jackdunleavy5602

3 жыл бұрын

It would be hard to label lightoller as a bad guy especially in today’s world because of a night to remember

@jadsmvs8651

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackdunleavy5602 I would never say he was a bad guy. He just did what he interpreted the orders as. He also stuck by his own morals, not leaving the ship until he was swept off the deck as it sank from under him. Not only did he probably save everyone on that life boat but he also made a cameo at Dunkirk evac.

@starrsmith3810

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackdunleavy5602 not that hard. Lightoller isn’t very well liked in the community. I find it nearly impossible to read a comment section related to Lightoller that DOESN’T refer to him as a murderer or war criminal. Personally I like him even with the good amount of faults. He saved lives either way, commanded collapsable b, and stuck to his own morals. Honestly I don’t even think he planned on surviving. Plus there’s Dunkirk

@zephyr8072

Жыл бұрын

“I didn’t leave the Titanic. The Titanic left me.” I can’t hate him because of that line alone. Cameron’s movie outright villified him even more so than Ismay, Murdoch and Smith.l with the actor being positively paychopathic in some scenes. It’s easy to judge his interpretation of the captain’s order (women and children first) and thus he is responsible for some unecesarry deaths. But it’s important to remember the initial lifeboats were being set off with the expectation that help would arrive soon and they’d return to be refilled. Obviously that didn’t turn out to be the case, and Lightoller made a terrible judgement call. But he was in no way some evil villain.

@kellybreen5526

Жыл бұрын

Funny in this world of equality that a man is criticized for not giving his seat to a woman or child. There should be no distinction. People don’t even pick up on the hypocrisy. I still believe that Titanic was just an unlucky victim of a superior mirage. All the smoking guns point to this.

White star line needed someone who was there that was also a senior person in the company to defend what happened. I dont care what the situation is, everyone is allowed a defense and he is the perfect person for it since he knew a lot about what happened, why what happened happened, and why the ship was in that specific situation. He just wasn't prepared for that scenario and made some mistakes that anyone would make.

Can you please make a video talking about what would have happened to the Californian if it had came to titanic reacue? I love learning from you and I want to learn more about titanic and its sinking

@eileendover3938

3 жыл бұрын

That would be great! I would love to know how long it would have taken for the Californian to fire up the boilers, build up enough steam, and navigate the ice field. I don’t know much about steamships, but I get the feeling they still wouldn’t have arrived in time to save anyone. I’d love to find out from the people in the know!!

@deeellebee9720

3 жыл бұрын

Encyclopedia-titanica.org has some info about that - the Californian was about half the size of Titanic, with a max crew of 55, and she may have had only 48 that night. This includes the cooks and other jobs. She had six lifeboats, and the numbers needed to man them all would have left her with no trained sailors to stand watch on deck. This would have made it much harder to spot the lifeboats in the water. Best case scenario with Californian and the timeframe they would have had with hypothermia going on for people in the water - they might have saved another hundred or two, at the absolute most. Worst case, the people in the water would have swamped the boats, and another 40 something dudes would have been lost

@eileendover3938

3 жыл бұрын

@@deeellebee9720 thank you so much! That was helpful. I hope Sam can make a video about this, but in the meantime, I appreciate the link! 💕💕

@grandparamsayy5068

3 жыл бұрын

Titanic sank in a very unlucky location. Had it not sank in the freezing water region if the Atlantic ocean, many passengers that jumped before the ship sank wouldn't have died of hypothermia

@tyront1030

2 жыл бұрын

Here’s the story they would rescue everyone on the titanic then transfer them to New York then they go on there course

A few days ago I was in the mood to watch Titanic, so I rented it on KZread. Then I became re-fascinated by its history and found your channel. You do such a great job explaining facts and providing your input.

Concerning the conversation that the passenger overheard between Ismay and Smith...context is everything. Had the Titanic made it safely to NY, that woman would have only remembered overhearing snippets of a casual conversation. However, in light of the disaster that ensued, she attached much more importance to what she heard.

Your videos can never be too long...... Thanks for posting....

I wish my history classes in school were like this channel.

Hi Sam. If you listen to or read an interview with first class survivor Edith Russell, a fashion magazine writer from the US, she actually does mention that Ismay helped not only her, but also other women get into lifeboats and was quite forcible about it. If you are unfamiliar with her story, you should look her up. She was a very interesting lady with a lot of interesting things to say about the incident.

In that kind of situation you would freak out! It would be difficult not to. I don't blame Ismay for saving himself, it would have came to every man for himself come the end. The whole Titanic story is such a sad one, however if the Titanic never sank, we wouldn't have the safety regulations that we have today so unfortunately in life we learn from our mistakes. Bruce Ismay didn't deserve the reaction he got but I believe people expected him to go down with the ship as so many other people did yet he survived. It's a shame really 😕. Another great video Sam.

As always, love your content, still patiently waiting for a video on Sultana!!

Just found your channel, I really love how educational your videos are and how accurate they appear to be. We see a lot of videos nowadays talk about things they don't know anything about, or didn't bother to do the research for, but yours are different and I appreciate that. Love your videos!

Awesome video as alway! I’m so excited for part two!

@theinsidescoopoftheworld6599

3 жыл бұрын

Said it on other videos but can you do the ms world discover

1) There is much about the story of the titanic we will never know. 2) Panic causes people to react in ways they would never do otherwise 3) The story after the sinking is just as interesting

Absolutely fantastic job on this video. There was so much information that I did not know, so I definitely learned something today. Thank you for that. Also, I'm super excited to finally be a Patreon supporter of your channel :)

40k subs! Congrats Sam!

Sorry I missed the premier I was looking at Edmund Fitzgerald stuff

One sad detail that isn’t really taken into account is that according to witnesses, on the Carpathia, Ismay was despondent and he didn’t come out of his cabin for almost the entire trip to New York. Survivor Jack Thayer actually checked up on him, as he wouldn’t eat much. Eventually during one of these visits, Ismay broke down in tears over his lost friends who had died on Titanic, quietly weeping, “It should’ve been me. I should’ve gone down with the ship.” Thayer and the others tried to convince him that he was not a coward, but when Yellow Journalism said he was one, his life was over. He quietly ran White Star for only a few more years, but he never showed his face in public. For years afterwards, Ismay and his family didn’t want any mention of Titanic said in their household. Just hearing the name of the ship was enough to traumatize him. The last time Ismay ever told his story about the Titanic to his family was when he was telling his grandchildren about his life out at sea, just a couple of years before he died. One of the youngest of his grandkids asked curiously, “Grandpa, were you ever a part of a shipwreck?” Ismay’s face fell to a heartbroken frown and without mentioning the name of the Titanic, he said, “Yes. I was on a ship that everyone thought was unsinkable.” 😢

I heard recordings of survivors that said Ismay did help with loading some passengers into boats after alerting them to come up on deck . So I think that the way the movie and stories have made him out to be a villain is entirely unfair , he didn't ram the Titanic into the iceberg , nor did he order or threaten Capt Smith into going full speed ahead into a field of ice . Because of all the public scrutiny the man had to live the rest of his life with people blaming him for all the deaths from the Titanic , and even now , over 100 years later they still seem to want to blame him without looking at all of the facts .

Congrats on the 40k subs Sam😁👍

Every man can make a good impression but not every impression can make a man look good

Great content my dude

On the topic of the conversation: if Ismay actually would’ve ordered Captain Smith to disregard safety issues and run at full speed, logically he would give that controversial order somewhere far more private than the Reception Room. He most likely would’ve given that order to Captain Smith privately in the Captain’s cabin, or Ismay’s cabin.

Very simple: no! The accident was caused by the ship travelling at excessive speed through an area of pack ice and bergs with very poor visibility.

You need to do a video on the book Futility. It predicts Titanics sinking BEFORE Titanic was even thought of. Book was written in 1898

@rpsmith2990

3 жыл бұрын

Somewhere there's a reading of the entire book as a video series.

Well done - I think that's a very fair assessment of Mr. Ismay. I don't believe that he was the moustache-twirling villain that history has made him out to be. Every disaster requires a scapegoat, and he was unfortunately the prime contender by virtue of his position rather than by his actions.

Officer Lowe was 100% correct. Ismay backed-down because he KNEW VERY WELL that Lowe was correct. (Their relative positions "within the company" has nothing to do with which one has authority at sea. Irrelevant.) This is a dire emergency. Lowe has TRAINING about emergencies. Ismay has none. (No official training that pertains to the hierarchy of command on this ship.) Lowe has maritime authority. Ismay has none. Ismay could have launched that lifeboat incorrectly, maybe capsized it. He could have capsized other lifeboats. He could have rendered that lifeboat unusable for some other reason, tangled the lines or something. He could have cost even MORE lives. ALWAYS DEFER TO THE EXPERTISE OF THE CREW. ALWAYS. They have training. They know proper procedures. It isn't "a testament to Ismay's character" that Ismay didn't stand there and ARGUE with the crew. He KNEW he was ENTIRELY in the wrong. There is even a chargeable offense that can earn a passenger huge fines, or even jail time. It is called "Interfering With Crew." (GO TO JAIL.) Lowe is an officer. Ismay is a passenger. That's it! That's everything! (Now, if some crew member were to speak to Ismay in some absurdly disrespectful way, like, for no good reason, under non-life-threatening circumstances, such as at dinner, for example, he may have some "explaining to do" once they dock in New York. Ismay is his boss. That sort of disrespect might show "poor judgment" on the part of the crew member. He might have to explain his actions.) An officer has maritime authority over a passenger. Any passenger. (I don't care if that passenger is the Queen of England.) Officer Lowe has a life-threatening emergency on his hands. Vessel going down. He is doing his job. Ismay is a passenger with ZERO training. Ismay is interfering with the proper launching of a lifeboat. There is no "insubordination" here. Ismay's authority ends at the water's edge. While we are at sea, the crew is assumed to speak "on behalf of the authority of the captain," and the captain's authority is ABSOLUTE. (Once a lifeboat pulls away from the ship, one could argue that whomever is the ranking officer in charge of that lifeboat becomes the new absolute authority over that vessel, possibly superseding the authority of the captain of the ship they just departed. When Captain Smith called for lifeboats to "RETURN TO THE SHIP," it was within the rights of each lifeboat to decide whether or not to follow those orders. Most likely, crew would still always try to defer to the captain, if possible, but, if they judge those orders to be a threat to their own "life and limb," a threat to the safety of their own vessel's passengers, it may be those orders are ignored, as was the case. No lifeboats returned.) If Ismay were to end-up in a lifeboat with no members of the crew, in that case, he may be the logical person with the most knowledge of the ship, the best knowledge of procedures, that he could assume command of that vessel. But he has no official rank. He is not crew. He doesn't regain authority over the crew until they get on dry land. Once this sailing is over (however it turns-out), the captain, or some other member of the crew, may have to account for his or her actions. They may have to account for their actions to Ismay, or to an investigator, or to a court-of-law. But, as long as we are still in THIS situation, on a ship, at sea, the crew speaks on behalf of the captain, and ultimately, the captain's word IS THE LAW. Maritime authority exists for a reason. Never argue with the crew. (Especially in an emergency.) Officer Lowe was correct.

Since the most senior officer was dead the next best thing was the chief of the company. Unfortunately the ravenous media was just as worried about viewership as they are today; so Ismay becomes the villain. As always, the truth lies likely in the middle. Also, the chief of the company would and should have been a key player to be in the loop for operations on a maiden voyage as well as in the sinking of the ship-however purely as a stakeholder. A tragedy is a chain of events or errors that lead to the tragedy-if one error is corrected in that chain the tragedy is averted. Unfortunately Ismay should bear his part in those chain of events.

@eifionjones559

3 жыл бұрын

all the senior officers were not dead

@starrsmith3810

2 жыл бұрын

@@eifionjones559 Lights survived

@ToreDL87

Жыл бұрын

Explicitly what was it that Ismay did that caused the sinking? And I mean, for a fact.

@aviraider

Жыл бұрын

@@ToreDL87 Nothing, explicitly! But the head of the company bears the responsibility for the placing the crew on the ship and the design of the ship and as such has responsibility. The same reason that in an airline accident the company can be sued in the event that there is fault with the crew in the chain of events.

@ToreDL87

Жыл бұрын

​@@aviraider Sorry but that's a no fly in my book. Out of probably hundreds of shipwreck disasters before Titanic, some of those singular shipwrecks (riverboats for instance) are speculated to have claimed thousands more lives than Titanic ever had the capacity to carry across the Atlantic and yet all that was more or less swept under the rug. As in, nobody held to the same consequences Ismay faced, we're talking ship owners, chairmen and directors. Which is what Ismay was, a chairman and a managing director, as in, he was literally employed by J.P Morgan to keep WSL on the square. New ship acquisitions went through Morgan, not Ismay. Ismay commissioned Harland & Wolfe to build the ship, and other than "big and luxurious" he left it all up to them, after all that wasn't his field. That means, everything that had to do with the design was up to them, that's what they were paid to be responsible for, and they did, to the point of keeping paid people on the ship during the maiden voyage. Ismay didn't even limit the lifeboat number such as popularly portrayed, he may have made comments about the number of lifeboats making the ship "uglier", but he never gave DIRECT instructions to reduce the number of lifeboats. Alexander Carlisle with Harland & Wolfe was the one to reduce the number of lifeboats from 64 to 32 and then 16 (+4 collapsibles). Of course, that's not to say WSL couldn't be unscrupulous, and WSL employees did display acts of incompetence, indifference and self-pity that night. Of course with Ismay being their managing director you'd think he had some say, but ultimately he was told off by a certain Titanic officer during the disaster, so effectively he had NO say in the day to day operations of WSL ships, much less emergency procedures aboard WSL ships. In effect, he's as innocent as they come.

In my honest opinion, the only thing Ismay was guilty of was surviving. I've read a couple of accounts that said he was in fact ORDERED off of the ship. And that actually makes perfect sense. Everyone was well aware that this wouldn't be overlooked and there would be an inquiry. I believe that it was absolutely necessary for Ismay to be alive so he could explain what happened and attempt to defend White Star.

I totally agree. I think anyone in a KZread comments section saying “well if I was there I would have done x,y, and z” No one here could possibly know what they would have done in a situation like this and to claim otherwise is pointless and actually makes me think you’d probably be one of the people to do the opposite of that lol

The only thing that I didn't like was how he treated the hospitalized survivors. If I'm not correct (please correct me if I get this wrong) he had people go out to the hospitals that the survivors were at and had them sign papers that said that they could not sue and would get $20. I'm glad he at least helped people survive but upset about how he treated them afterwords

Thank you for sharing another informative video🚢

I feel really bad for Ismay, I don't understand the point of him being vilified for surviving, what is the point of dying in the freezing waters just for the sake of it? He saw an empty seat in the lifeboat with no more women and children around and took it, any other man in that position would have done the same thing.

@trevorbluesquirrel899

3 жыл бұрын

And was probably ordered into the boat too! His death wouldn't have helped anything!

In "A Night to Remember" the exchange about lowering the boat is shown to be between Ismay and Lightoller probably because Lightoller is a primary character in the movie.

What I read about the movie was, Louden-Brown, one of several consultants to the Cameron film, has stated that he thought the antagonistic characterization of Ismay was unfair, and he tried to challenge this, but regardless of Louden-Brown's opinions, it was included in the film. Louden-Brown said, "Apart from being told, under no circumstances are we prepared to adjust the script, one thing they also said is 'this is what the public expect to see'."

He was a passenger and if he didn't get on Collapsible Boat C, there would 711 survivors instead of 712. That's it.

@EAHorror

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. You can't blame a person for just wanting to survive.

@rogerrendzak8055

3 жыл бұрын

@Scott Cosso. No, there would of been 704, instead of 705. 1523 dead, out of total 2228. Numbers are from majoral facts. Yes, I'm another TITANIC, and I don't like to use this word, 'geek'.

Loved angry Sam right around the 12:10 mark lol

I agree with your opinion of Ismay. I believe that he was vilified for simply surviving the sinking and the public needed to have someone who they could place the blame on. I wonder if Smith and Andrews had also survived, then how much of the public anger would have been directed at them?

Here are a couple of interesting ideas for videos in the future; the Russian monitor Rusalka and HMS Victoria (as far as I know the only vertical shipwrecks), The Hans Hedtoft (Danish Titanic; like literally, look it up it IS Titanic) and the Herald of Free Enterprise (ferry disaster that was tragically simple to avoid) I think they would all give a very interesting story to tell.

@rich_edwards79

3 жыл бұрын

I remember the Herald disaster. Horrible tragedy compounded by the way P and O treated the survivors. There's a fascinating documentary made at the time by the salvage company Smit Tak about the then unprecedented operation to refloat the ferry.

Your videos are always so good I learn a lot of things

@annabellemontgomery2036

3 жыл бұрын

Sam I bet you want to go down and see the Titanic in the mini sub !!

@trevorblue4531

4 ай бұрын

@@annabellemontgomery2036 The TITAN disaster has changed many minds!

Ismay actually did help load boats on the starboard side (proof: 1 of the people was Ms Rosenbaum, and it has been approved. He also helped the Beckwiths & Karl Behr and many more people) The exact thing Lowe and Ismay said that night will also be shown below: He repeated "Lower away!" about 5 times. Lowe then responded with: “If you get the hell out of my way, I’ll be able to do something! You want me to lower away quickly? You’ll have me drown the whole lot of them! You f*ckwatt!” He did not say "Do you know who I am?!" or anything like that. To me personally, Ismay was a hero. Thanks for reading my comment to anyone who did! PS: That was an amazing video though.

I'm a brand new subscriber and after watching just a couple Titanic videos, I'm hooked! I'm a huge Titanic nut. Even have a piece of coal from the ship.

Nice video I love it, I've loved titanic since the third grade

Another video very well done.

will you do a video on the ms oceanos by any chance? love your videos keep up the good work

12:49 : I love how Lowe talked to his very own boss. ^^

@Octolicia

3 жыл бұрын

@Robert Lowman At the same time, your boss wasn't a passenger.

Decades ago when reading The Titanic End of a Dream, which covered the entire voyage, sinking and Congressional hearing, I came to the conclusion that Ismay was at a distinct disadvantage compared to most of the passengers. He was one of the few who knew from the very start without a doubt that the ship was going to sink without question. Except until the very end most passengers figured the ship was going to stay afloat and they would be rescued but he knew if he didn't get into a lifeboat that he was going to die. It would take an immense amount of courage to overcome self preservation.

He did change the design of the ship that might have made a difference, as for the height of the bulkheads, he had them lowered, and also reduced the amount of lifeboats recommended by the original designer of the ship.

@annabellemontgomery2036

3 жыл бұрын

The water tight compartments did not have tops on them and did not go very far above the water line.

Thank you for for clearing up the negative stories around J Bruce Ismay. I've been researching the ship and the sinking and I've never found anything to suggest that he had anything to do with the sinking or that he was trying to force key crew to say that things weren't as bad as they were. And there is some evidence that he did get people to go to the boats. As for getting into Collapsible C , I really don't think he should have been expected to die. He went in practically the last one to leave. Great video. I'm looking forward to see the second half of this. Good job!

Thank you very much, another very interest documentary.

I really like this young fellow that makes these Titanic videos. He is me when I was just a kid. I was fascinated with the Titanic. Keep up the good work Dude. I really enjoy your videos about the Titanic.

Hey Sam, First congrats on the 40K subscribers! Secondly, to sum things up are you trying to say that Ismay was in dismay over the situation TITANIC was in? Lol! 😂 Sorry I couldn't help myself! 😜 Great job again Sam on the video and definitely looking forward to part 2! 😎👍

Love your work mate. I’m obsessed with the titanic.

Hey love your videos. I think an interesting idea for a video would be if you stepped into a time machine and ended up on the Titanic how you, as knowledgeable as you are of the events of that night, would use this after hand knowledge to survive the sinking. Me personally, I would have hung around Lightoller and helped him launch the collapsible boats. Maybe try to escape on the overturned one with him when the ship took its final plunge. But I'd be curious to hear your take on this.

I have never been convinced Bruce Ismay had anything to do with the Titanic hitting an iceberg and sinking. I'm in my 60s and I have been very interested in the Titanic LONG before you were born, LONG before it was 'in' to be interested in the Titanic. I was actively interested in the Titanic even before the wreck was discovered, and I was really into the Titanic LONG before the movie "Titanic" came out. So I knew quite a bit about the Titanic and Bruce Ismay. That is why, when the movie came out, I was quite disappointed that James Cameron vilified Bruce Ismay just as the people of the time did. I agree with your assessment of Bruce Ismay!

@trevorbluesquirrel899

3 жыл бұрын

Cameron did show him helping people into lifeboats, and pretty much all media depicts him as the villain!

@danielfortier2629

3 жыл бұрын

@@trevorbluesquirrel899 Just the expressions of the characters of Bruce Ismay and the crew member in charge of the lifeboat is enough for James Cameron to vilify Bruce Ismay.

@trevorbluesquirrel899

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielfortier2629 Ismay may have been ordered into the boat, or simply got in at the last minute to escape! I agree he likely did not contribute to the sinking in any significant way! Cameron also showed Murdoch's suicide, which likely didn't actually happen! And the scene with the stares on the Carpathia was deleted, so it could have been a much harsher portrayal then was shown!

When it comes to Ismay jumping in a lifeboat, I think nobody can really judge anybody who is in a life endangering situation for the way they behave. I mean it's mighty fine for folk to sit in a nice warm comfortable room with no threat or emergency taking place and judge on the actions of someone who is in a dire situation, panicked, fearfull & stressed. Take for instance those who jumped from the twin towers on 9/11 They were in a situation unimaginable, where jumping to their death was preferable than staying in the building. Also it's so easy to say that in any situation, such as a house fire or being attacked by someone, you would act like a cool calm manor, but should the event take place you become overcome with fear and panic and the fight of flight senario. You can't say for sure if you would freeze, and break down or start to panic and sod everyone in "I have to get out of here" mode. People act in strange ways when faced with disaster or life threatening situations & judging folk who were in such situations after the fact, while not yourself in the situation or having experienced the life or death fear isn't wholey fair. Yes, you'd hope yourself that you'd let, women and children go first, but you don't know untill faced with that horrid choice yourself. In todays woke society the "women" of women & children first Would surely be seen as sexist, and making out that women & children are the weaker and more vunerable and therefore to be saved before the strong macho men, dunno!.

How to Survive the Titanic Or The Sinking of J. Bruce Ismay by Frances Wilson is the best book on this topic.

@giovannirastrelli9821

3 жыл бұрын

Except for those long, annoying tangents regarding SS Jeddah.

@grandpamcdonald

3 жыл бұрын

Skip the book and get flex tape

@mustangmike4078

3 жыл бұрын

Don't know how accurate it is but I saw a video that claimed Ismay was ordered to board a lifeboat by one of the Titanic's officers because he was the chairman of the board and would need to represent white star as well as answer for the catastrophe. If I remember correctly this was supposedly stated when Ismay was on his deathbed or at least close to the end of his life. How accurate it is can only be debated just like so many other Titanic stories.

@jasonwilliamson8416

3 жыл бұрын

@@mustangmike4078 I've actually read that account as well, and in reality it makes perfect sense. I'm sure it was believed that the chairman of the company would carry much more weight in court than a bunch of civilians, deckhands, and firemen.

@mustangmike4078

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonwilliamson8416 I also think the account stated that Ismay never told anyone because it would be somehow frowned upon and considered shameful in the society of the day.

I’ve never understood how anyone could lay blame at his feet. He was told to go because he was an important witness and kinda owned the ship. Heck, I’d have tried to get him in a boat too. Witnesses even said he had to be *ordered* into a boat after helping encourage women and children into lifeboats almost the entire time. Was he overzealous? Maybe. But none of them had any idea of nor could they have known just how many factors were playing against them that they needed to be careful of. Take Ismay out of the equation and the ship still would’ve hit the iceberg and sank and it would’ve played out almost the exact same.

Thanks for all the videos Titanic has been my favorite movie and ship and subject since I was 7 years old it's the reason I fell in love with history so again thank you so much you are a great person and historian

@HistoricTravels

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

@kinghades1491

3 жыл бұрын

Always sending love from Chicago please do a video on the Titanic of Chicago the Eastland it's a brutal story

@HistoricTravels

3 жыл бұрын

@@kinghades1491 ITs on the list, btw I am flying through your city next week! :)

@jasongaston17

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly would love and it will be my privilege to take you all over Chicago honestly it would be my privilege and it would mean so much to me if I actually got to meet you you are amazing I'm just go back and forth about Titanic and just you know what they say that you have idols but you want to meet you are one of my Idols that I would love to meet

@rogerrendzak8055

3 жыл бұрын

@King Hades 14. Sam is 'definitely', a good teacher/ historian!!!

I’m just going to cast my vote for a video on the SS Sultana and one on the SS Arabia

Ismay testified to the senate. It can be found online. I wonder what we can learn from his own words!

@annabellemontgomery2036

3 жыл бұрын

Ismay also testified at the British inquiry ( cover up) !!!

Ismay got into the lifeboat knowing the level of accountability he would ultimately face. That is not the act of a coward. Also, it’s never mentioned that the ship’s barber testified that Ismay was ordered into the boat by officer Wilde. Staying on the ship would have been the easy way out for Ismay.

Looking forward to part 2!

@annabellemontgomery2036

3 жыл бұрын

Sam Did you read the entire British investigation( cover up) of the Titanic???

Yeah I don’t blame Ismay, I’d have jumped ship too, I’d want to live!

From my research i heard that Ismay did help with rigging a lifeboat for a little but you never know :/.

Great history lesson

Are you from NC? I love your episodes

You should do a review of the parody "Thumbtanic"....the "Ismay" character totally makes sense now 😂

I love this channel

In an effort to avoid lawsuits White Star sent representatives to hospitals where victims were recovering and tricked them into signing declarations that they wouldn't sue, in exchange for 25 pounds. That's downright obscene.

Hi Sam. I would love to see a video on the Inquiry of the Titanic sinking.

@nancymilawski1048

3 жыл бұрын

I believe there were two inquiries, one in the US and one in Great Britain. I would love to see this covered too. 😀😀😀😀