Was St. Patrick a Baptist?

Each year on St. Patrick's Day, certain Baptists will claim that St. Patrick wasn't REALLY a Catholic, but was instead a Baptist. But what do we learn from listening to St. Patrick in his own words? And what do we know about the world of St. Patrick from those who lived during his lifetime? As it turns out, Patrick was way more Catholic than you may realize... and he was quite explicit about this fact!

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  • @MikePasqqsaPekiM
    @MikePasqqsaPekiM3 ай бұрын

    I was so perplexed when listening to Protestant friends claim Saint Patrick was Protestant, showing them how he literally quotes passages from books removed from the Protestant canon, believes in the Eucharist…right there we know he’s not Baptist…

  • @suzannelangdon
    @suzannelangdon3 ай бұрын

    Well if he was Baptist he did a terrible job of converting us 🤣🤣 not sure if they have thought this through, so St Patrick was a Baptist but he managed to turn us into one of the greatest Catholic countries in the world 😂 Please keep my beautiful country in your prayers, the faithful are few here now, a chastisement we no doubt deserve. God Has not forsaken us though and we will be a great Catholic nation again. Happy St Patrick's Day to you all and thank you all for loving my small beautiful country 🇮🇪

  • @anemone3694

    @anemone3694

    3 ай бұрын

    Prayers from Poland for the people of Ireland and their beautiful country! 🇮🇪 I hope the faithful stay strong and persist in God's love and the joy of His Gospel, and that they lead to the Truth those who do not yet share in it. Happy St. Patrick's day and God bless you ☘️💚

  • @lyndavonkanel8603

    @lyndavonkanel8603

    3 ай бұрын

    Eyre go bragh! (Hope I spelled it right. Don't want my Irish ancestors turning in their graves.)

  • @rachelwilson2487

    @rachelwilson2487

    3 ай бұрын

    Praying for my homeland, I've lived outside of Ireland for over 20 years and the salvation of my family and people is always on my heart. Dóchas linn Naomh Pádraig, guí orainn.

  • @lyndavonkanel8603

    @lyndavonkanel8603

    3 ай бұрын

    @@rachelwilson2487 I feel for you. Your comment touches close to home. My son has left the faith, so I know the heartbreak. Let's pray for each other and our families. For our countries, too.

  • @kathyweiland4732

    @kathyweiland4732

    3 ай бұрын

    Prayers from Minnesota United States to Ireland

  • @KSTrekker
    @KSTrekker3 ай бұрын

    I grew up Southern Baptist and any time there was talk of the Saints, Baptists always try to latch onto the ones they like (Paul -good, Peter - bad). Baptists are often quite embarrassed when they hear quotes from Augustine or Aquinas, without knowing the source, then completely agreeing with the quote, only to find out they come from Catholic Church Fathers. As with most Protestants, Baptists have no problems with picking and choosing what they like from the buffet line of Christianity. They are the original cafeteria Christians.

  • @voxangeli9205

    @voxangeli9205

    3 ай бұрын

    You hit the nail right on the head!🎉

  • @39knights
    @39knights3 ай бұрын

    As a Catholic with Irish ancestry; I never knew the Baptists were up to this type of shenanigans. Shame on them for trying to steal a Catholic Saint and tarnish his name as an apostate with their lot.

  • @marvalice3455

    @marvalice3455

    3 ай бұрын

    The Baptists have never been known for critical thinking

  • @MeanBeanComedy

    @MeanBeanComedy

    2 ай бұрын

    They do this all the time. 🙄 They have to! They invented their faith 15 centuries after ours; they have to make stuff up to make it seem legitimate.

  • @ToddJambon
    @ToddJambon3 ай бұрын

    The Baptist Church was started in 1609. St. Patrick lived in the 400s. Can't wait to hear this. EDIT: Also, thanks for finally moving the microphone so we can see your full beard.

  • @RenegadeCatholic

    @RenegadeCatholic

    3 ай бұрын

    The St Patrick being baptist argument is based on The Trail of Blood book. To Fundamentalist Baptists, this book is essentially their 5th Gospel. It's also an extremely good example of poor scholarship.

  • @ToddJambon

    @ToddJambon

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RenegadeCatholic So they are not Sola scriptura? They accept that book as additional revelation?

  • @Onlyafool172

    @Onlyafool172

    3 ай бұрын

    Im convinced protestants are just muslim christians, no wonder they convert a lot to

  • @RenegadeCatholic

    @RenegadeCatholic

    3 ай бұрын

    I was saying that in jest, but they do believe every word of that book is true. Most have no clue what a church father is or the fact that there is 1500 years of church history prior to the reformation. Most baptists fall into the solo rather than sola scriptura category. The exception would be reformed baptists, most of whom adhere to the 1689 London Baptist Confession.

  • @igorlopes7589

    @igorlopes7589

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@RenegadeCatholicThey unironically believe every single heretical sect was secretly baptist lmao

  • @CatholicWithaBiblePodcast
    @CatholicWithaBiblePodcast3 ай бұрын

    I love my baptist friends, but the anti-Catholic historical Baptist claims are suuuuuper cringe.

  • @userJohnSmith

    @userJohnSmith

    3 ай бұрын

    The lengths I've seen people go to to create some imaginary early Church that looks even remotely Baptist... It's honestly difficult to have conversations about secular history sometimes. Like, no that's not what the ancient world looked like.

  • @georgefuentes4112

    @georgefuentes4112

    3 ай бұрын

    They are desperate to be historically relevant.

  • @voxangeli9205

    @voxangeli9205

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@georgefuentes4112, you hit the nail right on the head!🎉

  • @harleymann2086

    @harleymann2086

    3 ай бұрын

    Some of these types are still fighting the Reformation while the world has moved on to “Maybe God exists”.

  • @kroach2653

    @kroach2653

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@georgefuentes4112 Indulgences, purgatory, papal infallibility, perpetual virginity... To name a few man made dogmas of the RCC, I don't want to be "historically relevant" if I have to follow those teachings.

  • @martinlee465
    @martinlee4653 ай бұрын

    St Patrick trained and practiced priesthood in France, raised to the position of Bishop before coming to catechise Ireland after being a slave there in his youth. Unless French Catholicism was under a different hierarchical structure than Rome, he was Roman Catholic and brought Roman Catholicism to Ireland.

  • @daniel8181

    @daniel8181

    3 ай бұрын

    Yea, no, they were catholic, "england" was as well, in fact the only real holdout at the time was Ireland. Actually, One of St Patrick's disciples even wrote a book where he refers to St.Patrick as such.

  • @GranMaese
    @GranMaese3 ай бұрын

    Considering St. Patrik lived in the 5th century and Baptists didn't appear until the 17th century, is just unbelievable they dare to say St. Patrik was Baptist and not Catholic. May God grants them discernment.

  • @MeanBeanComedy

    @MeanBeanComedy

    2 ай бұрын

    Baptists practice a historical revisionism where they claim nearly every heretical sect in Church history as their own, and claim that they weren't _actually_ heretical, but the Catholic Church "lied," and they were secretly Baptist in their beliefs.

  • @antonk8249
    @antonk82493 ай бұрын

    Greetings for our Irish 🍀 brothers from Croatia 🇭🇷. God bless you brothers

  • @calebnwafor2549
    @calebnwafor25493 ай бұрын

    I am waiting for them to say Gregory the Great was not Catholic.

  • @john-el9636

    @john-el9636

    3 ай бұрын

    I've already seem EO claim he wasn't

  • @calebnwafor2549

    @calebnwafor2549

    3 ай бұрын

    I don't know who is more tiresome EO or Prots

  • @zach415

    @zach415

    3 ай бұрын

    You mean POPE Gregory wasn’t Catholic?

  • @bobthebuildest6828

    @bobthebuildest6828

    3 ай бұрын

    what yall talking about he made “praise and worship” music

  • @SammyJ..

    @SammyJ..

    3 ай бұрын

    Some people try to claim that his letter to John the Faster contradicts the papacy (it doesn’t).

  • @graham6774
    @graham67743 ай бұрын

    I'm in the uk. Ive seen a protestant video by a local preacher saying celtic Christians in the uk and Ireland were keepers of the original protestant-type faith and then were overtaken by the catholic church when the British Isles were formally christianised. Not a jot of evidence provided or recognition that both the celtic church and the church in rome were in full communion

  • @jayfromeire

    @jayfromeire

    3 ай бұрын

    Definitely not,

  • @jayfromeire

    @jayfromeire

    3 ай бұрын

    Catholics in ireland back then followed Patrick, not Rome, but they called themselves Irish Catholics, not Roman,

  • @robertdolcetti450

    @robertdolcetti450

    3 ай бұрын

    Patrick was a Catholic missionary, though.

  • @deaconcarter3459

    @deaconcarter3459

    3 ай бұрын

    He was most likely just trying to justify the horrifically violent persecution of Catholics perpetrated by British protestants in Ireland from the 17th to the 20th century

  • @scopilio13

    @scopilio13

    3 ай бұрын

    as a decendent of an irish man who fled his homeland due to the persecution committed by the english protestants against the irish catholics this is very offensive.

  • @Catholiclady3
    @Catholiclady33 ай бұрын

    He talks about priests, deacons, ordaining clerics, nuns, his celibacy and being a Bishop in his Confessio. How could he be baptist? They have none of those things

  • @MeanBeanComedy

    @MeanBeanComedy

    2 ай бұрын

    (Baptists usually don't read anything older than the 1800s. They're just making shit up.)

  • @John_Fisher
    @John_Fisher3 ай бұрын

    I heard some folks from an Baptist nonprofit raising money for a mission trip about a year a go right before St. Patrick's Day. It seemed natural to me that even though they weren't Catholic, they discussed St. Patrick in their talk, both because of the proximity to the holiday and the relationship to missionary work. Then they're suddenly explaining that St. Patrick was a Baptist long because the Baptist Church has always existed and also the Catholic Church hadn't been invented yet (so much for Constantine inventing it).

  • @polaramas.867

    @polaramas.867

    3 ай бұрын

    Yes, I have heard this too. They believe John the Baptist started the first church, or that Jesus established it through John the Baptist. Ironically, there is no mention of this in the Scriptures, though the Baptist denomination holds a sola scriptura position. I don’t see how Baptist scholarship is scholarly.

  • @TheThreatenedSwan

    @TheThreatenedSwan

    3 ай бұрын

    @@polaramas.867 It's funny because they think John's baptism and Jesus' are both just symbolic

  • @georgefuentes4112

    @georgefuentes4112

    3 ай бұрын

    My thoughts about Constantine also! They are happy to twist history in order for it to fit their narrative. Cherry picking doesn’t look good on anyone.

  • @MeanBeanComedy

    @MeanBeanComedy

    2 ай бұрын

    Do they have head injuries or something?

  • @canibezeroun1988
    @canibezeroun19883 ай бұрын

    We cannot be serious 😂? Saint Patrick is probably the only early Christian everyone believes is Catholic.

  • @SevereFamine
    @SevereFamine3 ай бұрын

    I’ve never heard this argument, I’m glad there’s enough within his own writings to refute this easily.

  • @rhwinner
    @rhwinner3 ай бұрын

    In the end we come to the indubitable fact that Protestantism was started by one messed up dude.

  • @BEASTMASTERTOAD
    @BEASTMASTERTOAD3 ай бұрын

    Why do Baptist get hung up on immersion versus “sprinkling” when they don’t even believe that baptism is necessary for salvation anyway?

  • @michaelbeauchamp22

    @michaelbeauchamp22

    3 ай бұрын

    Since baptism iss only a symbol for them, its efficacy is only as far as it maintains the symbol in a pure way. Never mind that pouring and sprinkling can serve the same or similar symbolic functions though

  • @ginomaietta2702

    @ginomaietta2702

    3 ай бұрын

    Great point!!

  • @BobBoldt-sp1gr

    @BobBoldt-sp1gr

    3 ай бұрын

    The “faith alone” fiction invented by Luther set the stage for the de-valuation of the sacraments. Calvin then exacerbated matters by asserting that the sacraments don’t quite work in the non-elect. Modern Evangelicals have taken those inventions to their logical conclusions by largely relegating the sacraments to mere symbols. Instead of hyping themselves up with music and being selectively “Biblical”), they should ask themselves how choosing a church that fits their views is tantamount to following Christ rather than following their own desires. One way to know you aren’t following your own views is to be part of a church that includes teaching you don’t like. The Catholic Church has plenty of that to go around.

  • @carolinajackson7621

    @carolinajackson7621

    3 ай бұрын

    @@BobBoldt-sp1gr Jesus didn't leave us any sacraments, just 2 ordinances: baptism & the Lord's supper.

  • @MeanBeanComedy

    @MeanBeanComedy

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@carolinajackson7621No, he left us a Church.

  • @christianstephens7213
    @christianstephens72133 ай бұрын

    He better not be a Baptist he is my patron saint.

  • @Simplydarrell

    @Simplydarrell

    3 ай бұрын

    Baptists didn’t exist in 385 AD they came about 1500s. The only baptist I know of is Abraham Lincoln

  • @lyndavonkanel8603

    @lyndavonkanel8603

    3 ай бұрын

    😄

  • @REBORNCENTRALGaming

    @REBORNCENTRALGaming

    3 ай бұрын

    And patron saint of my country

  • @manny75586
    @manny755863 ай бұрын

    It is a bit disturbing how reliably I can assume the person speaking is Baptist based on how wild the claim is, how little evidence is presented, how heretical it sounds, and how much they are pushing back specifically on the Church. It will always never cease to amaze me, how often I see Protestant "pastors" spending 30 minutes dunking on Catholicism in a church service. I've never heard a homily live where any time was spent talking about anything related to the falseness of Protestantism. I think I've seen 2 on youtube where a priest has made a passing reference to how some subject he's speaking on is interpreted in error by some Protestants. Wild.

  • @lyndavonkanel8603

    @lyndavonkanel8603

    3 ай бұрын

    It is unfortunate that they can't appreciate the truth of the good things Catholics have done and continue to do.

  • @benaim7925

    @benaim7925

    3 ай бұрын

    You know that pastor Gene Kim. He makes wild claims like the KJV Bible is God. Or at least that's what I could gather from the thumbnail of his video.

  • @jonatasmachado7217
    @jonatasmachado72173 ай бұрын

    I was a Baptist for more than 40 years before becoming a Catholic. Saint Patrick was a Catholic, trust me.

  • @LostArchivist

    @LostArchivist

    3 ай бұрын

    If I might ask, my brother in Christ. How did you come to find the Church?

  • @jonatasmachado7217

    @jonatasmachado7217

    3 ай бұрын

    @@LostArchivist reading many Church Fathers...

  • @LostArchivist

    @LostArchivist

    3 ай бұрын

    @@jonatasmachado7217 That is a great solid and well-trodden path to coming to the Church. God bless you, my brother in Christ!

  • @blakewolford8903
    @blakewolford89033 ай бұрын

    THAT’S MY PATRON SAINT RIGHT THERE YEAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great video Joe! St Patrick, please pray for us!!

  • @johns1834
    @johns18343 ай бұрын

    Baptist are like Baskin Robbins ice cream with 31 different flavors to choose from depending on your taste for the rapture, faith alone, Bible alone, once saved/ always saved, predestination, etc. Don’t like the music or the message, no problem, just drive down the road to the next baptist church that scratches those itching ears just right. Honestly, how does any reasonable person decide on which baptist church to attend?

  • @80s4me

    @80s4me

    3 ай бұрын

    People don't THINK

  • @FredvonHayek
    @FredvonHayek3 ай бұрын

    Dear protestants (I once was one) we Catholics are not your enemy. We have our differences, but we are on the same side. The side of Christ.

  • @user-qh4te1xz5r
    @user-qh4te1xz5r3 ай бұрын

    At Patrick was a Catholic bishop and died before the Protestant reformation

  • @filiusvivam4315
    @filiusvivam43153 ай бұрын

    I heard this Baptist fiction a few years ago. At first I thought it was a joke. This anti-Catholic bigotry is ridiculous, and it's also gravely sinful.

  • @gainsofglory6414
    @gainsofglory64143 ай бұрын

    Its really hard listening to clips of those pastors saying "never did Patrick do this" or "never did Patrick say that" and then you are just sitting here with one document from Patrick where he literally does and says all the this and thats.....every single one.... You don't want to be rude to these people but like, whatever you guys are doing....stop....please....

  • @chrisshaw7615
    @chrisshaw76153 ай бұрын

    Mainly I see him claimed as Orthodox. Now, I get we share the pre-schism saints, but they'll insist specifically NOT Catholic.

  • @jesseshooter4403

    @jesseshooter4403

    3 ай бұрын

    I've seen this too. Like, they can't just admit that anything good can come out of Catholicism, can they?

  • @userJohnSmith

    @userJohnSmith

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@jesseshooter4403 They don't believe there was a Catholic Church pre schism. The idea of Roman supremacy, they claim, was invented later, even though it's very obviously original. Sometimes you just can't argue with people.

  • @truanashabadapressure6621

    @truanashabadapressure6621

    3 ай бұрын

    Well I like to ask them why their Patriarch’s affirmed the Papacy at 8 Ecumenical councils prior to the Schism? 😂

  • @niamhmoresmau6093
    @niamhmoresmau60933 ай бұрын

    I met a follower of Santeria in New York who told me that St Patrick was a big deal for them, because his iconography is often associated with serpents. (She believed it to be a fond relationship with snakes rather than him having driven them out of Ireland). But it did get me a good welcome! If I'd only known about the Baptists' claims, I'd have gone looking for a jell-O salad and fried chicken, too.

  • @MathAdam
    @MathAdam3 ай бұрын

    Is there a John-the-Calvinist in the New Testament? I’m talking to YOU, James White!!! 😜

  • @georgefuentes4112

    @georgefuentes4112

    3 ай бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @pboyle3723
    @pboyle37233 ай бұрын

    I'm from Ireland, and this is mot the first time has been claimed as Protestant. Last one I heard, he was a Presbyterian 😊.. and that was from a local polititian, and a minister told me that St Patrick seemed to be Christian as St Patrick appeared to believe everything that he (the minister) believed. Our local village was the site of one of monasteries St Patrick founded .. sadly nothing remains of it except one window lintel - which was used in the building of a local Church of Ireland church.

  • @l21n18

    @l21n18

    3 ай бұрын

    Is that Church of Ireland a branch of Anglicanism or another Protestant denomination? Never heard of Presbyterians starting monasteries

  • @pboyle3723

    @pboyle3723

    3 ай бұрын

    Yes, Church of Ireland is Anglican Church. Presbyterians... no monasteries... and they only came into existence 1000+ years after St Patrick 😂😂

  • @crisgon9552
    @crisgon95523 ай бұрын

    *Steven Anderson slams fist on the table*: it was John the Baptist, not John the Catholic!

  • @TheThreatenedSwan

    @TheThreatenedSwan

    3 ай бұрын

    😂

  • @GizmoFromPizmo
    @GizmoFromPizmo3 ай бұрын

    HA! That one Baptist guy is addressing an audience of maybe 12 people in a huge auditorium. That's about a typical Wednesday Night Bible Study class.

  • @DeannaWillistonOFS
    @DeannaWillistonOFS3 ай бұрын

    Seventh Day Adventists claim him, too, but I forget their argument.

  • @Onlyafool172

    @Onlyafool172

    3 ай бұрын

    Probably kept the Sabbath, or he probably wrote something that looked a certain way talks about Ellen white, Or he didnt ate pork

  • @yankeecitygirl

    @yankeecitygirl

    3 ай бұрын

    I think it was the part where he warned everybody the Pope distributed firearms to all Catholics and they’re just waiting for the go sign to go out and unalive all the SDAs@@Onlyafool172

  • @zachpeterson8341
    @zachpeterson83413 ай бұрын

    Trail of Blood Baptists give me flat-earther vibes

  • @Ruudes1483

    @Ruudes1483

    3 ай бұрын

    A Venn diagram of those 2 groups probably resembles a circle.

  • @MeanBeanComedy

    @MeanBeanComedy

    2 ай бұрын

    Yup. And geocentrism.

  • @daniel8181
    @daniel81813 ай бұрын

    I thought this was ragebait from the prods until i saw the name of the channel. You know what else ive gotten? "St. John the BAPTIST, see? he was a baptist, not a catholic" The idea is so stupid I just walk away, It feels more like a troll than an argument.

  • @daniel8181

    @daniel8181

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@mpkropf5062 Here's the thing, even if it somehow did exist then, you have got to be painfully ignorant to assume that a connection as tenuous as a word shared between two things justifies a "fact". It's always frustrating when I can calculate your IQ from a single sentence. I don't hate talking to more "simple" people, I just cant stand when they try to be the smartest guy in the room, and I more hate to see people following along. It is sad to say, but this is exactly why the church was concerned about custody of their bibles, they were difficult to manufacture and so very valuable, but even when it became easier to produce it was always going to end with massive amounts of idiots going off the deep end causing problems.

  • @annakimborahpa
    @annakimborahpa3 ай бұрын

    1. From the home page of Old Paths Baptist Church Org: "We believe that the King James Bible is the perfect, infallible, and inspired words of God. We believe that God by his special providence has preserved his words and translated them out of the original tongues into one volume, in one language." 2. From the Fairhaven Baptist College Org webpage /welcome/our-beliefs/ : "THE HOLY SCRIPTURES: We believe in THE HOLY SCRIPTURE: accepting the writings of the Old and New Testaments as the very Word of God, verbally inspired in all parts and therefore wholly without error and altogether sufficient in themselves as our only infallible and authoritative rule of faith and practice. We believe that God has preserved His Word in the King James Version." Response: Well, if the King James Bible was good enough for St. Patrick, then it's good enough for me. Oh and by the way, St. Patrick lived during the fourth to fifth century AD. The King James Bible was authorized in 1611 AD.

  • @MeanBeanComedy

    @MeanBeanComedy

    2 ай бұрын

    It's not meant to be logical. It's an intelligence filter. You only get incurious, dim people. Like typos in an email scam.

  • @follower8815
    @follower88153 ай бұрын

    Hey Joe. Just wanted to say I appreciate your videos. Especially the Mary ones. They are golden. I really do hope you make a video on Mary being sinless / being born sinless. Would really appreciate it. God bless!

  • @tr1084
    @tr10843 ай бұрын

    I never heard this claim as a baptist but this is the kind of thing I would hear.

  • @Doug8521

    @Doug8521

    3 ай бұрын

    They make all sorts of claims. But this one is a new one to me

  • @jcf150_9

    @jcf150_9

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Doug8521 Yeah same I was raised baptist before converting to Catholicism last year. I never heard this one. Maybe it's a regional thing for some? I'm in the south and we tended to steer clear of any saint reference haha. My churches seemed more content to ignore them than attempt to claim them. Maybe baptist churches in the north or east where they have to interact with more Catholics are more prone to this particular error.

  • @bigtilla25
    @bigtilla253 ай бұрын

    25:35 “its really important we do this thing that doesn’t do anything just right” - what a great way of deconstructing an erroneous view on baptism. Thank you for the great video and encouraging folk to dive deeper into the history of the church as well as going to the original sources for things like St. Patrick’s writings instead of taking someone else at their word. Keep doing what you do, Joe!

  • @ModernLady
    @ModernLady3 ай бұрын

    Wouldn’t st Patrick be a bad Baptist if he made Ireland Catholic? 😂

  • @triconcert

    @triconcert

    5 күн бұрын

    LOL!

  • @RenegadeCatholic
    @RenegadeCatholic3 ай бұрын

    Do you have any plans to discuss Thomism vs Molinism in layman terms? Just an idea for a future video.

  • @Thiago_Lamin

    @Thiago_Lamin

    3 ай бұрын

    I would also love to see something on this

  • @robertotapia8086
    @robertotapia80863 ай бұрын

    Thanks @shamelesspopery @Joe Heschmeyer another great 1 gracias Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷

  • @GizmoFromPizmo
    @GizmoFromPizmo3 ай бұрын

    The Baptist Church is the one misinterpreting the scriptures in regard to bishops. In the New Testament there were multiple bishops assigned to a single church (i.e. congregation). The Apostle Paul instructed Titus to ordain bishops (plural) in every city. Titus 1:5 - For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: When we read the New Testament, and even the epistle of Clement (who wrote during those times), the elders (plural) were always talked about. In fact, the singular form of the word "elder" (elder) is used far less than the plural form (elders) in the New Testament. James uses this in his epistle when he wrote: James 5:14 - Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: In the New Testament church there were ederS (plural) assigned to each congregation. The Baptist Church, in order to have the kind of control she sees in the Catholic Church, limits the number of clergymen to one per congregation.

  • @saintly365
    @saintly3653 ай бұрын

    This is great commentary. I appreciate that you take the time to use the best of their arguments and refute them.

  • @johnnyosprey6056
    @johnnyosprey60563 ай бұрын

    Great video! Look forward to these every week!

  • @mikethemonsta15
    @mikethemonsta153 ай бұрын

    "Was the Catholic bishop a Catholic?" "Yes" "Stay tuned for next week's episode..."

  • @kathyweiland4732
    @kathyweiland47323 ай бұрын

    You do such an awesome job Joe! Love your new studio look!

  • @mickyfrazer786
    @mickyfrazer7863 ай бұрын

    One thing I dont get is that Protestants are so at pains to say why Catholocism is wrong, but not other denominations. Surely this fact itself begs the question, why.

  • @MeanBeanComedy

    @MeanBeanComedy

    2 ай бұрын

    They don't know the other ones exist. I'm serious; they have no idea usually.

  • @SP-td9xj
    @SP-td9xj3 ай бұрын

    I agree with the Baptists here, he was actually a faithful parishioner to pastor jim o'malleys community Bible church

  • @gabetheformerforddriver5034
    @gabetheformerforddriver50343 ай бұрын

    A Baptist skewing history to fit his own views? Whoever would have thought!?

  • @michaelbeauchamp22
    @michaelbeauchamp223 ай бұрын

    oh, this'll be good. Can't wait until break to listen

  • @bigman7856
    @bigman78563 ай бұрын

    I’ve heard this quite a bit. A lot of it stems from ignorance of history, and then from that you see a good deal of mental gymnastics to justify this theory. Especially with these earlier figures who have little written down about or from them.

  • @rafecolii
    @rafecolii3 ай бұрын

    This was a fun one. Thank you, Joe.

  • @ConfusedCam
    @ConfusedCam3 ай бұрын

    Someone on Reddit tried telling me the church in England wasn’t Catholic until like 1200

  • @HighKingTurgon
    @HighKingTurgon3 ай бұрын

    I love the new background but i miss the old portrait of Paul; what a great artwork.

  • @andrewthomastaylor
    @andrewthomastaylor3 ай бұрын

    I have read Patrick. His writings are beautiful.

  • @adamcalvaneso9624
    @adamcalvaneso96243 ай бұрын

    Great video as always Joe. I have a quick suggestion. I recommend choosing a different shirt that doesn't have fine patterns like yours in this video. It's really difficult to watch and hurts the eyes on video. Thank you for your in depth research and spiritual direction in your videos. Glory to Jesus Christ!

  • @Xpistophoros
    @Xpistophoros3 ай бұрын

    He was an apostolic father of the church that Jesus Christ started. Very simple my good friends, god bless you! ❤

  • @gijoe508
    @gijoe5083 ай бұрын

    St Patrick was most definitely not a Baptist. In fact no one was a Baptist until after the Protestant heresy and revolt.

  • @timboslice980
    @timboslice9803 ай бұрын

    Gavin Ortlund is the worst when it comes to this. Every couple weeks he’s quote mining the fathers to find some catholic that believed in sola scriptura. Its really sad, he’s been refuted multiple times but his poor audience is so brain washed they wont even look at counter information. He has his people believing all our saints were baptists lol. Its like go find your own man 😂

  • @jas84173
    @jas841733 ай бұрын

    Just for clarification, did you mean Daniel Chapter 3 that was the additional verse that is referred too? You say chapter 9 but I wasn't aware of that. I know Chapter 3 verses 24-90( Prayer of Azariah and the Song of the Three Men) and Chapter 13(Susanna) and 14( Bel and the Draogn)are not in Protestant Bibles. Was this just an error in speech or is there an additional part of Daniel Chapter 9 which aren't in Protestant bibles?

  • @user-be8sq6dy5k
    @user-be8sq6dy5k3 ай бұрын

    Short answer: No Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

  • @jenkoop
    @jenkoop3 ай бұрын

    Thanks Joe! Now do the Baptist claim to St. Augustine. I hadn't heard the claim to St. Patrick from the Baptists I know, but some highly educated (philosophy professor) Baptists claim St. Augustine as their own. I find it completely implausible, but I don't entirely understand where the claim is coming from (although I suspect it has to do with justification). Would sincerely appreciate you taking this on.

  • @lyndavonkanel8603
    @lyndavonkanel86033 ай бұрын

    Easy enough to figure out: there weren't any Baptists back then! That version of Christianity began in 1609. St. Patrick was a Catholic bishop, for goodness sake!

  • @hglundahl
    @hglundahl3 ай бұрын

    18:19 Tours? The city where later Alcuin was going to separate Latin from French between 800 and 813? The city where St. Martin had ruled? The city where Gregory wrote a Latin that was basically French (except for the spelling)?

  • @PdT2723
    @PdT27233 ай бұрын

    Tune in next week for “Pope St. John Paul II, the seventh day Adventist”

  • @Deuterium2H
    @Deuterium2H3 ай бұрын

    Hello Joe, thank you for this most excellent rebuttal of the absolutely ridiculous claims by some looney tunes Baptists. I would mention that you may have overlooked a "slam-dunk" of a refutation of their claims, beginning around timestamp 19:00 (Epistle 6). Not only does St. Patrick discuss the priesthood, as you expertly point out...but he goes far beyond that in this paragraph, by bearing witness to Apostolic Succession. St. Patrick specifically references the biblical, Apostolic power of binding and loosing, AND explicitly affirms that it continues into his (St. Patrick's) day through the successors to the Apostles -- i.e., by the priests (and bishops): ------------------ "I am not forcing myself in where I have no right to act. I have a part with those whom God called and destined to preach the gospel, even in persecutions which are no small matter, to the very ends of the earth. This is despite the malice of the Enemy through the tyranny of Coroticus, *_who respects neither God, nor his priests whom God chose and granted the divine and sublime power that whatever they would bind upon earth would be bound also in the heavens"_*

  • @claybody
    @claybody3 ай бұрын

    My initial question was, "Do they know the Irish people?" The Irish people are largely Catholic. We are not ignorant.

  • @billlee2194
    @billlee21943 ай бұрын

    It's intriguing to me how we never know we are in darkness until the light is turned on. I now see my previous Protestant perception of history concerning the church and truth was very constricted. I believe it was also similar to the telephone game seasoned with our local cultural familiarity. Example: Pastor Bob told brother Bill who sits three pews behind me so it must be true and, since he is our pastor and friends with Bill, they must know something we don't so there's no need to check things out for ourselves. We are most comfortable with what we have been taught, what we know and believe until the light is turned on.

  • @rhwinner

    @rhwinner

    3 ай бұрын

    When your historical lens has a depth of perception not exceeding 500 years, your view of history as well as everything else is likely to be skewed.

  • @billlee2194

    @billlee2194

    3 ай бұрын

    As I have learned, many of the traditions I grew up in were no more than around 200 years old and much even more recent. For example, the sawdust trail and anxious bench which evolved into the altar call and sinner's prayer which blossomed into a one-time decision for Christ which guaranteed salvation with a flare of antinomanism. Just a couple hundred years earlier, Reformers like Luther and Calvin still viewed salvation under the authority of the church through the sacraments and they both held a view of the Eucharist much closer to the Catholic church. Luther, Calvin, Zwingli and Wesley all believed in Mary's Perpetual Virginity. When church history and tradition are thrown out, like a baby with bath water. It's all such a shame. I pray for unity and a return to the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church Jesus built on Peter.

  • @TheThreatenedSwan
    @TheThreatenedSwan3 ай бұрын

    If you interpret every book you want to be protestant through a protestant lens, they're all protestant. Never mind that all of these saints they try to claim had a high ecclesiology they reject

  • @robertkimble8385
    @robertkimble83853 ай бұрын

    At first I thought it was a joke title and the video would just be Catholic grandstanding.

  • @GizmoFromPizmo
    @GizmoFromPizmo3 ай бұрын

    To be honest, I'd never heard the claim that St. Patrick was anything other than a Catholic.

  • @thomasmooney5653
    @thomasmooney56533 ай бұрын

    To point out something that has been creeping in for some years, and it's showing on your thumbnail: there are 3 (not 4) leaves to the shamrock - representing the trinity.

  • @erinbarocio147
    @erinbarocio1473 ай бұрын

    I was a Baptist as a child then I studied early Christianity and now I’m Catholic

  • @carolinajackson7621

    @carolinajackson7621

    3 ай бұрын

    What we need to study is Scripture

  • @MeanBeanComedy

    @MeanBeanComedy

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@carolinajackson7621That will also lead you to Catholicism. Where did scripture come from? Who decided what is and isn't scripture? It wasn't Pastor Jim in 1611.

  • @carolinajackson7621

    @carolinajackson7621

    2 ай бұрын

    @MeanBeanComedy I came out of the RCC. Scripture comes from God, not from the RCC. God did use human agents from the EARLY CHURCH to preserve Scripture & canonize the NT ( The OT had been canonized already). Early church is not the same as Catholic church. Blessings

  • @MeanBeanComedy

    @MeanBeanComedy

    2 ай бұрын

    @@carolinajackson7621 Who selected which books were in there? It was the Catholic Church. We have a direct line stretching back to that Church, because it's the same Church. You do not, because your "church" was founded a few centuries ago.

  • @carolinajackson7621

    @carolinajackson7621

    2 ай бұрын

    @MeanBeanComedy 1. my church was founded on Pentecost day. 2. The RCC wasn't really defined till Trent. Before that, there was the early church, & then the medieval church, which is not 100% what the rcc is today.

  • @carsonianthegreat4672
    @carsonianthegreat46723 ай бұрын

    22:00 there’s also the fact that historically you waited 8 days after birth to baptize a child (keep in mind though that the belief that waiting 8 days is required is condemned by the Council of Carthage), so why would St. Patrick immediately baptize a one day old?

  • @BobBoldt-sp1gr
    @BobBoldt-sp1gr3 ай бұрын

    Anyone who reads history will cease to be a Protestant, let alone an Evangelical (whose beliefs don’t even match Protestant history).

  • @erinbarocio147

    @erinbarocio147

    3 ай бұрын

    That’s what happened to me, I was raised in the Baptist church and I did some studies on early Christianity and now I’m Catholic.

  • @carolinajackson7621

    @carolinajackson7621

    3 ай бұрын

    Anyone who reads the Bible will become a Biblical Christian

  • @TheThreatenedSwan
    @TheThreatenedSwan3 ай бұрын

    He was an independent Baptist, only used the KJV, and wore Jeans

  • @AllanKoayTC
    @AllanKoayTC3 ай бұрын

    good to see that you moved the mic out of yer face!

  • @Alexander-fr1kk
    @Alexander-fr1kk3 ай бұрын

    How is this even a serious question?…

  • @bretoncelt
    @bretoncelt3 ай бұрын

    The title of this video made me laugh.

  • @stopvoris8635
    @stopvoris86353 ай бұрын

    What's with the 4 leaf clover and what would have been the name of the heresy in Patrick used it to explain the Trinity?

  • @tompalm64
    @tompalm643 ай бұрын

    He was a Bishop of the Roman Catholic Church.

  • @simonslater9024
    @simonslater90243 ай бұрын

    The holy Catholic Church is Jesus’s mystical body on earth!

  • @Justas399
    @Justas3993 ай бұрын

    What church council proclaimed that the extra chapter in Daniel was Scripture before Patrick?

  • @stananders2333

    @stananders2333

    3 ай бұрын

    Council of hippo and 2nd council of carthage, they also deal with pelagianism, so thats another connection

  • @jesseshooter4403
    @jesseshooter44033 ай бұрын

    Can't wait to celebrate Patrick the Baptist's Day lol

  • @matthewhampton2650
    @matthewhampton26503 ай бұрын

    I thought Baptists considered all who have died in Christ were in heaven, thus, by definition, are saints. Yet, these baptists (at best) strain to call Patrick a saint. Their hate to call anyone a saint is palpable.

  • @SomeoneYouMayKnow
    @SomeoneYouMayKnow3 ай бұрын

    These Baptists who claim St. Patrick, are they also of the "Trail of Blood" crowd?

  • @EruIluvatar5
    @EruIluvatar53 ай бұрын

    Happy Saint Patrick's day to all my Irish and Irish descendent brethren!

  • @marcondespaulo
    @marcondespaulo3 ай бұрын

    Since protestants denies the primacy of Peter, it should be no surprise the twist everything else.

  • @DesertRat.45
    @DesertRat.453 ай бұрын

    Patrick lived before the schism. That is where my mind begins and ends with it.

  • @Paterquia
    @Paterquia3 ай бұрын

    Why are they like this?

  • @hglundahl
    @hglundahl3 ай бұрын

    Happy St. Patrick's Day!

  • @hglundahl

    @hglundahl

    3 ай бұрын

    To U 2!

  • @hglundahl
    @hglundahl3 ай бұрын

    5:40 In a bunch of different languages ... Latin, English, and presumably also at least Irish Gaelic?

  • @culturalliberator9425
    @culturalliberator94253 ай бұрын

    I'm convinced this is a troll. Saint Patrick the time traveling Baptist. Lol. Jokes aside it's obvious that if this was true the Irish wouldn't have been sime of the most radical Catholics. If he were a baptist we would think this remote community would have taken on more if his ideas.

  • @PuzzlesC4M
    @PuzzlesC4M3 ай бұрын

    We can totally tell you’re a lawyer with this intro. 😂

  • @ModernLady
    @ModernLady3 ай бұрын

    But where are we on the snakes?

  • @TruthHasSpoken
    @TruthHasSpoken3 ай бұрын

    Some baptists are completely duped.

  • @joeywilliams1856
    @joeywilliams18563 ай бұрын

    Saint Patrick was the second Bishop of Ireland. So Definitely Catholic

  • @JimInTX
    @JimInTX2 ай бұрын

    I don’t blame Baptists for wanting to claim such an amazing Saint. I do pray those who hear such claims avail themselves of the historical record, and that those who persist in making such claims receive the grace to recognize their proximity to violation of the Eighth Commandment (or Ninth, according to their tradition).

  • @yvobalcer
    @yvobalcer3 ай бұрын

    You cannot claim what is not yours, St. Patrick lived before any Baptist Church was started.