I just joined the church, I’m not going anywhere!

@TheCoachsCoach933

5 ай бұрын

Welcome home! Cradle Catholic here. I’ve been kicked, beaten, and ridiculed (all figuratively of course😀). I wouldn’t change it for anything this world has to offer.

I’ve just come into the Church…I’m not going anywhere.

@TheCoachsCoach933

5 ай бұрын

Welcome home!

@shepherdson6189

5 ай бұрын

Welcome home. Cradle Catholic here and I'm not jumping ship either. I love the Pope for caring for lost sheeps.

@DrChaunceyBlevins

5 ай бұрын

On my way! #RCIA

@timboslice980

5 ай бұрын

Just joined this past Easter myself! Welcome brother!

@applin121

5 ай бұрын

@@timboslice980 👍

Shameless Popery is my new favorite apologetics channel. Very thorough and good editing!

@shamelesspopery

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@CurtosiusMaximus828

5 ай бұрын

Same. This channel and how to be Christian are my 2 favorites. I could only ever watch these 2 and be fully satisfied.

@catkat740

5 ай бұрын

Same! And so don’t know why but I love the intro song 😂

Title: Is the Catholic Church Over? Me: That would suck, I just got here.

@shamelesspopery

5 ай бұрын

Welcome home! (And good news: it's not).

@elizabethking5523

5 ай бұрын

You have the Promise of Christ! You have the Eucharist! ❤️🙏🏻

@mv6303

5 ай бұрын

welcome. Always remember my country first colonizer use this religion now they are long gone but this religion stay for the majority of our population.

@luisrios3446

4 ай бұрын

The church has managed to survive for 2,000 years, I think we can still keep going. Don’t worry, just trust in God, and his Church😉.

As someone in RCIA, I thank you, Joe! You do amazing work! I just finished your book, The Early Church was the Catholic Church, and I think it's been the linchpin that eradicated the last vestiges of doubt I've had in converting from Protestantism.

@shamelesspopery

5 ай бұрын

Praise God, and welcome home!

I don't really understand the hoopla. I'm new to faith in general, I converted from atheism in October and I still see and feel like the Catholic church is the true church. The theology makes the most sense, Sunday Mass is beautiful worship rather than the DIY lectures of Protestantism, and Orthodoxy is disjunct, ethnically segregated, and has no head of the church to make unifying decisions. Granted, I haven't been paying attention long enough to the Church to have seen much of the day to day drama, but I have seen how fiducia supplicans was misrepresented by the media and didn't at all deserve the freak out that it got. The way I see it, if the Church looks and feels like the true church today - it makes the most sense theologically and doctrinally 2000 years after it was built, why would I be worried that some day-to-day clickbait headline is going to undo it?

@yeetmaestro575

5 ай бұрын

I’m relatively in the same boat as a newer convert myself from Protestantism.

@gilbertsaller913

5 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@shamelesspopery

5 ай бұрын

Welcome home! My advice to anyone, but especially those new to the Church: don't get mired in the day-to-day news cycle. This is true of all news, but applies in a special way to Church news. It's easy to lose sight of what's eternal and enduring.

@1901elina

5 ай бұрын

@@shamelesspopery Thank you!! Agreed :)

@elizabethking5523

5 ай бұрын

Even if something crazy happens, never leave the Eucharist!! that’s exactly what the enemy wants, for Catholics to feel embarrassed , ashamed, not being able to answer questions from Protestants! They have enough trouble of their own believe me!!! And they don’t have the Eucharist! I pray they all repent, and convert!❤️🙏🏻😀

As always, great podcast, Joe. I came into the Catholic Church (former Protestant pastor, church-planter, apologist and documentary film maker) three Easters ago. Believe it or not, one of the 50+ witnesses the Holy Spirit used to call me home was the present wretched state of the Church. (Several of the scholars I was reading and working with acknowledged that between the laity and the clergy--most notably the cadre in Vatican City--we were either approaching or already at a new, unprecedented nadir). Knowing a moderate amount about Church history by this point, I knew there had been more than a few low points before. But because of Jesus and the work of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 16:18-19; Deut. 31:8), the Church always pulled out of it. And then I had a small epiphany: following this present precipitous descent, there has to be an ascent. (Eph. 4:9-10). And then the great maxim of buying real estate came to mind, "Buy low, sell high." And so I bought. And things got even worse. But I'm more confident now than I was then, the bull market is right around the corner. Likely going to be one more bad pope. But the old order is dying off or becoming such a clown show that they are losing all credibility. (Kind of like the swamp in Washington DC.) Young priests who are serious about Apostolic truth and tradition are joining the ranks. Young bucks like you and Trent and many more are blowing up. And I see a cloud like the size of a man's hand hurtling over the horizon. (1 Kings 18:44-46). I'm praying I live long enough (and do my small part) to see the Church clothed again in the glory of God. I should also say that I swam the Bosporus Strait and not the Tiber. While I love my Roman brethren (and attend morning Mass three to five times a week when I'm home (Steubenville), I've come to believe that it is the Eastern Catholic Church (the right lung or, as I prefer calling it, the right hemisphere of the brain) that God is going to powerfully use to bring new life and renewal to the universal Church.

@shamelesspopery

5 ай бұрын

Beautiful witness, and welcome home! Yes, I see a great spiritual renewal in several places in the Church, and one of those is in the Eastern Catholic Churches. To name just a couple, folks like Trent Horn and Simone Rizkallah are a great boon to the Church.

@esbih

5 ай бұрын

Amen. I got baptized last year. Former Muslim… Reading Joe’s book on the Eucharist right now.

@michaeloakland4665

5 ай бұрын

I landed in the Byzantine Catholic Church, too! There's something special here. The light from the East is rising.

@impasse0124

5 ай бұрын

I love Eastern liturgies and practices even though I’m of the Roman Rite. ☦️🙏🏻

@2196logan

5 ай бұрын

@@impasse0124 Question? what does it mean to be of the Roman rite? Are the Eastern churches in full communion with the Catholic Church?

The Arian issue was not a polite debate. The account of St Nicholas punching Arius in the face at Nicea is probably apocryphal but does point to the temper of the participants.

@MrPeach1

5 ай бұрын

I can imagine. Most of my personal dialogs with people I know get emotionally charged.

@femaleKCRoyalsFan

5 ай бұрын

Oh, come on I like the idea of “Santa Claus” having a right hook! 😜

@shamelesspopery

5 ай бұрын

You're not wrong! St. Athanasius was exiled five times, and there were allegations of violence in both directions.

@justthink8952

Ай бұрын

Nice to hear this. I got a priest pissed off with my comments in WhatsApp. I was after debating an issue but he got it personal.

Not quite the sort of title I like seeing when my confirmation date is only a week away 😂

@eabm1984

5 ай бұрын

True. A bit "clickbaity" but it's good. 😁

@TheCoachsCoach933

5 ай бұрын

Congrats on your confirmation! Hopefully your bishop isn’t one of the Pope’s criticizers😀

@MrPeach1

5 ай бұрын

@@TheCoachsCoach933 That's lame. There is honest critiques that are not out of line.

@TheCoachsCoach933

5 ай бұрын

@@MrPeach1 so you make it a point to criticize your superior on social media and in news outlets? That sir is lame!

@MrPeach1

5 ай бұрын

@@TheCoachsCoach933 Yeah because I have a phone number to call the pope. Also I can criticize a bad pastoral blunder without critizing the man.

I want to praise your work once more. Your knowledge and reasoning are outstanding, but I also value your serious and mature communication style.

In you, Lord my God, I put my trust. I trust in you; do not let me be put to shame, nor let my enemies triumph over me. No one who hopes in you will ever be put to shame, but shame will come on those who are treacherous without cause. Show me your ways, Lord, teach me your paths. Guide me in your truth and teach me, for you are God my Savior, and my hope is in you all day long. (Psalm 25. 1-5)

I think of papal infallibility and the doctrine of safety as guarantees that, when it comes down to it, when the Church makes a definitive statement on faith or morals, that she will not err. The truth comes out of all the controversy and confusion, God working in and through human limitation and weakness. Individual Catholics and whole groups of Catholics may be wrong about something. But in the end, the Holy Spirit will rightly guide the judgments and teaching of the Church. There can be all sorts of trouble on the way, but she won't fail. She will articulate the truth and rightly guide souls because she is lead by the Spirit of Christ. And he will preserve and sanctify his church. I don't have to like Pope Francis at all (though I do like much about him). But I can rest assured that the Holy Spirit will not let him lead the church into error.

St Basil pray for us, and God bless you Joe

Never will be over, in Rcia and im loving it. Love the Catholic church❤

Thank you for everything you do Joe! I'm so thankful that God led me to his church when he did, early last year and I started RCIA in August and thankfully I did a TON of research. Phenomenal apologists like you were integral in my conversion, unfortunately if I started looking into the Catholic Church at this exact moment as I was, a protestant, I would have written off Catholocism immediately. Keep doing what you're doing, you've taught me so much about the Church and about Christianity as a whole

Mary bless and protect our Holy Father Pope Francis❤🙏

The Holy Church gives us EVERYTHING we need for our Salvation: the sacraments, the teachings, the communion and prayers of the Saints, the Bible and above all a full knowledge of the person of Christ made freely accessible to all. So, we are not alone on our path to salvation. Please, let us pray for the Church and for our priests and bishops.

Thank you for your words of assurance and encouragement! This is absolutely needed right now. God bless you!

Jesús said His church would never fail. We have had plenty of bad popes, bishops and priests but the church will continue because it doesn’t belong to men it belongs to Him.

Not the Church only but the world is going bad. This is why we must focus on our Faith and on the GOSPEL. And come back to mass, with our families. It has become urgent to distinguish in our lives what is important and what is not.

Thank you for presenting so well. It is wonderful to listen to you, and to not feel as hopeless as some others would make us feel.

Gosh I’m so tired of it. I’m planning on taking a hiatus from social media just for the sake of edifying my soul, of finding peace in the absence of the usual inundation of fear mongering, slander and false witness.

@alonsoACR

5 ай бұрын

Someone said something like this but I forget who: Many Catholics do need to find themselves a way to cultivate a medieval sense of piety. The Pope is far away and can say what he says, you don't know. If it's relevant to you your priest and bishop may tell you, maybe not. You're here, and your parish is here. You got brothers and sisters where you live needing Jesus Christ, the Sacraments, the Divine Scriptures, and you have the means to lead them to these. You have your Rosary, you have your family to take care of. Focus on these things. "Do not be afraid."

@dan_m7774

5 ай бұрын

Fiducia Supplicans for dummies Pop Culture Christianity Yesterday Love the sinner, hate the sin 3 second gold fish reasoning: OK got it! Pop Culture Christianity Today Love the sinner(s), hate the sin 3 second gold fish reasoning: Wait What! The Church can not change its teachings. Two people? This changes everything. Told you the Pope was the Antichrist. We can no longer trust the Church. It clearly says we can love the sin(s).

@alonsoACR

5 ай бұрын

@@eremiasranwolf3513 No, I'm called to love God with all my mind (just as much as with my soul and heart) and for that I need to think. I believe I didn't get the point of your comment.

Thanks so much, Joe! Really great information, again, and delivered in your easily understood manner. Our study group at church is just starting Steve Weidenkof's Early Church history series and this dovetail's perfectly.

I tell you Joe, you simply put this timely video much needed message to aid us to interpret the times, to re-focus our sights which by now had taken a nose dive from what's been happening to our church.Thank you for lifting up our spirits May Our Lord Jesus Christ continue to bless you and your family.

This is your absolute best work brother! I love you. God bless!

Jesus said, the gates of hell will never prevail against his church. This is the birth pangs of the new age of which Christ spoke about. All this has been prophecied, only a remnant will stay with the faith of our fathers, then the church will rise like a phoinix out of the ashes. When Pope Benedict was a priest he said the church will diminish in numbers but grow in holiness.

I needed to hear this badly! So much hope filled perspective. Thank you good brother Christian ❤🙏✝️

The Catholic Answers crew - Joe Heschemeyer, Cy Kellet, Karlo Broussard, Trent Horn, and Jimmy Akin - are some of the best, most charitable, well-informed, and spiritually sound people and voices for the Church out there. I'm glad they are all becoming more well-known.

Great video Joe! It can be very helpful to look at history to give us guidance and encouragement in our current time.

Wonderful presentation as always, Joe. Thank you...

In response to Gavin, why trust the 'Word of God' when it was clarified by similar fallible men...? He full well knows it didn't fall out of the sky, and so, by his logic, deserves no more confidence than any other teaching or office.

Thanks for sharing this.

Every video is a knock out, thanks Joe!

Great video! Love getting context on the history of the church in a way that relates to our own times.

This is an excellent synopsis! I like the analogy of the continuous death and resurrections of the church. I think that as the weeds sift themselves out, the Lord is bringing new wheat into the barn. Many new converts are running into the barn when it’s on fire, meanwhile, many pseudo traditionalists and heretical libs are running out of the barn. They are scared of the fire.

Well done! Loved it! ❤️💙

That makes all this stuff more bearable. Thanks.

This was really informative Joe. Thankyou.

What an amazing video! Thanks Joe!

Apologist starts referencing Msgr. Knox . You have my full and undivided attention. And an automatic thumbs up + share. Everyone in this day and age should be required to read Knox. Especially Enthusiasm!

@RealSeanithan

5 ай бұрын

Because of the extent of my general Christian education and experience beforehand, my priest isn't making me go through a typical rigorous RCIA program, but he did give me a bunch of books that he wants me to read (they were all very good), but my favorites were Msgr. Knox's "Slow Motion" books. He reminded me very much of C. S. Lewis.

@shamelesspopery

5 ай бұрын

Amen! His book "The Belief of Catholics" is probably my favorite one-stop shop to answer, "why should I be Catholic?"

@-GodIsMyJudge-

5 ай бұрын

I enjoy his Bible translation as well

Thank you so much for this.

Thank you Joe! This was so helpful

Beautifully said, and exceptionally well-researched! You've definitely earned a new subscriber, and I hope to see your channel grow!

Well done Joe, thank you. 🙏

It is amazing those on the far left are upset that Fiducia Supplicans does not allow gay blessings, while those on the far right are upset that it does allow gay blessings. Apparently Satan is deceiving both ends.

@dan_m7774

5 ай бұрын

@@user-hl8kb1hg4t nonsense, I can send you a link to Africa Bishops who understand FS, but have you read it? What part of it are you stating is beyond your abilities? I will use the document to teach you.

@dan_m7774

5 ай бұрын

Well the priests and bishops you are talking to are morons according to the faithful priests and bishops I have spoken to. The belief that the Papal Magisterium can not teach on same sex couples is idiotic. That is your fake demands that the Papal Magisterium must bow to you. Again point out the area in the document that you claim is evil.

@dan_m7774

5 ай бұрын

@@user-hl8kb1hg4t drive.google.com/file/d/19NcfMKnAILnW8zq8IFmsq4mQR-Y-5mOt/view Quit listening to fake news

@dan_m7774

5 ай бұрын

@@user-hl8kb1hg4t See FS where a couple (2 People) is discussed. Couples have already been blessed, families have been blessed and entire congregations have been blessed. This is such a protestant argument, such as the Pope is never mentioned by name in scripture or by the Apostles. You must first submit your premise in Apostolic Tradition or Scripture that the Papal Magisterium can only mention things found in Scripture or Tradition. Your entire premise is a false belief. As I already pointed out, The overwhelming consensus among the majority of Jews and disciples of Christ rejected his teaching that "This Is My Body" . So What? The Magisterium of the Catholic Church is the Teacher. The overwhelming consensus among the majority of African bishops is not an authority that is greater than the Authority of Christ. Korah had an overwhelming consensus as well that Moses needed to adhere to their wishes. Somehow you think Church Authority is by popular opinion. So why are you appealing to an African authority over the Authority of Christ? Secularism says truth is by popular opinion, and this is what reported on social media. You have fallen for this hype thinking the DDF must first get approval to the majority. A majority, you have yet to even prove. Christ's authority is not subject to your requirement that it be popular and easy. What the Document has done is be very clear you can not have same sex Marriage, Can not bless a same sex union, or Bless the sin. The very thing the German Bishops were pushing. What you are complaining about is that the Bishops were refuted and Satan has used the Media to deceive.

@Desert-Father

5 ай бұрын

Perhaps if the defenders of the document could defend it without resorting to polemics or logical fallacies, then more might be convinced. The declaration is opposed by hundreds of Bishops, high ranking Cardinals, including the former heads of the DDF and Liturgy. The declaration cannot even be harmonized with the 2021 Responsum without engaging in casiustry. Christ is truth incarnate and those who stand against truth and engage in casiustry cannot stand with the divine word.

Thank you sir for thoroughly debunking the Constantinian narrative of orthodoxy in such a clear way, very elegant and topical

This podcast is the best. Long form lessons suit you, Joe. Thank you so much for doing these.

❤ Thank you for such an awesome job 🙏👏❤!

Remarkable, wise, reasoned and prayed! The Holy Spirit in real action interacting with the free will. Thanks and God bless you for this masterpiece about the Divine Protection over the Holy Church. OurFather and Our Sweet Blessed Mother masters our History!

First time listener....Excellent!

As someone considering catholicism thanks for this video. I almost considered Orthodoxy over the disunity and this document (i understand the document now). Technically currently a Protestant still but I have come to the conclusion Protestantism is false. Haven't converted because I live with my anti Catholic parents. Compared to the Arian heresy what's going on seems mild

@bethanyjohnson8001

5 ай бұрын

I’ll pray for you and your family, Josh!

@aubergineontoast

5 ай бұрын

Go to RCIA bro, even if you're not ready to join the church, it is so much better than trying to figure everything out on on your own.

@josh39684

5 ай бұрын

​@@aubergineontoast I might. Wrote a 600 page paper on church history and Catholic dogma but that won't replace going to rcia

@dan_m7774

5 ай бұрын

If you want more information, I would check out Michael Lofton's show as he was Jewish, Orthodox then Catholic. He can provide you a very good Orthodox vs Catholic perspective.

@josh39684

5 ай бұрын

​@@dan_m7774 I watch his channel all the time. I don't understand the hate. He's trying to keep unity and show truth. I'd probably only be considering Orthodoxy if it wasn't for him. But now I'm just considering catholicism

Thank you so much

The comm boxes will not prevail against it.

@halleylujah247

5 ай бұрын

😂

@andrefouche9682

5 ай бұрын

😂

You are a blessing thank you, God Bless you

Excellent presentation...loved the summarized history which I know is quite complicated but you nailed this overview. While I am a Catholic until God calls me from this life this sort of information helps me provide others who are not so hopeful or thinking of leaving the church much like those Bishops during the Arian crisis (trickery I should say). Thanks for the work you do sir....Blessings always...

Thank You for Your works ! As Catholic Christians, today, more than ever, we have to know what we believe. Yes, indeed, we have to re-discover and learn the GOSPEL and the person of JESUS-CHRIST ! We have to clean our FAITH from all useless and false things that the world introduced in our minds! Let's be focus on FAITH, HOPE and CHARITY/LOVE and the teachings of the HOLY CHURCH

You got a new subscriber.

Thank you!

@shamelesspopery @Joe Heschmeyer thank you for another great video/ teaching. Im very excited to hear that @Answering Adventism @Myles Christian and you are about to do a video together on SDA can't wait please let us know when its done. Thanks Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷

If only you did interviews, then you could allow Rod Bennett a moment of shameless pluggery for his book, The Apostasy That Wasn’t.” It goes through the same period of history but adds the context of St. Athanasius’s background, being essentially raised by St. Anthony of the desert, and how the latter’s ascetical witness kept the Church orthodox in a way, in contrast with how many Christians were living post edict of Milan. Great video! Sts. Athanasius, Anthony, and Basil, ora pro nobis!

Thanks for the amazing video. Your content has really been super compelling and I love it. I am a convert to Catholicism from non denominational Protestantism, but originally I was LDS, and in my conversations with LDS family members, I've heard of LDS apologists trying to find proof of their great apostasy doctrine in what they called "the persecution of the Arians by the Catholics" And it seems some people in the LDS world feel that the Arian controversy is the junction where the catholic faith went wrong and they identify with the Arians. It would be interesting to see if any Arians believed in any other aspects of LDS theology, Christology, or Exaltation. It seems to me that it's a pretty intense cherry pick of apostolic era writings to reorient history in accordance to their world view.

Hello, I greatly appreciate your invaluable lessons thank you very much. I would like to ask something off topic, but I would like to request a video of the history and back round of the Fatima Prayer. I'm having a hard time figuring out the back round. Thank you so much for your time reading this.

Not possible! Jesus promised! And as a Protestant, hanging on to that promise, I have found myself drawn in toward the Catholic Church.

@adelbertleblanc1846

5 ай бұрын

Thank You for your share ! Do like you feel and remain where You are ! Don't worry, evertything will be fine for everyone !

Great video, could you do a series on the councils of the Church??

The stone they wish to break, will be the one they are broken by. St Robert Bellarmine.

It’s a shame that you can point to how the Western Bishops were tricked with vague definitions that allowed for the desired interpretation of the Arians, but you can’t see it in F.S.

@michaelbeauchamp22

5 ай бұрын

On that point, Joe made an interesting distinction that the western bishops were not tricked into believing heresy, but rather were tricked into allowing heresy. So, if there's a problem in FS, it could well be this, that it is not explicit enough in rejecting what it ought to reject.

@alyciaoswald9776

5 ай бұрын

Just to reiterate, I never wrote that the western Bishops themselves believed heresy.

@michaelbeauchamp22

5 ай бұрын

@@alyciaoswald9776 that was sloppy on my part. The western bishops were not tricked into believing or proclaiming heresy. Nothing stated in the council was heretical per se

@Quekksilber

5 ай бұрын

FS didn't teach heresy. I don't find it vague.

@alyciaoswald9776

5 ай бұрын

@@QuekksilberYou missed the point. No one said that it taught heresy. Of course the document may seem very to you. That’s not the issue. The Arian creed seemed clear to the Western Bishops because they interpreted it within the bounds of tradition. They didn’t believe or teach heresy. The fact each individual can focus on different parts of the document and come away with their own interpretation is how you know it’s vague. Position 1: It reaffirms the constant teaching of the church and explicitly says we are not blessing the union and we are not approving of the union. Position 2: It explicitly says blessings for couples in irregular situations and couples of the same sex. It explicitly gives blessings for the relationship. It is impossible to separate the couple from the union/relationship. To bless the couple is to bless the union. Therefore you are blessing that which cannot be blessed namely sin. Position 3: Yes, the document affirms church teaching, but then contradicts itself later. Position 4: I don’t care what the document says. Obey the Pope or get out of the Church (yes people are saying that) The Pope and magisterium cannot error and so this must be right. Position 5: Yes, the Church is changing and becoming more open to same sex unions. Maybe, same sex marriage is next. Position 6: Nothing has changed. We have always offered blessings to sinners. We are blessing the individuals not the relationship. The word couple could just mean 2 people. Position 7: What it says is okay but what it does in practice is problematic. It will confuse people and be scandalous because they will not understand properly what is happening. The point is that because of the language, practice, and even novelty of the document it has allowed for people to pick their own interpretation. They highlight the things that they like and forget the rest. Obviously some views are more realistic than others.

Now we will see which bishops are correct. The ones that support the ordinary magisterium and the pope or the ones that do not. I recently predicted to my friend a few months back that a council would happen in my life time and I think that is getting closer.

@Quekksilber

5 ай бұрын

Really good rule of thumb: Be on the side of the Magisterium.

God Bless you Joe I will not go anywhere

Good question made specially for the individuals who do not trust Jesus, who said in: MATTHEW 16:18 18. And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell SHALL NOT PREVAIL against it. True Christians believe Jesus.

We are so back!

Today the problem is not that popes and bishops are teaching heresy but that their decisions regarding discipline and governance often imprudently undermine those teachings, sometimes in scandalous ways. Erick Ybarra is a great articulator of this position.

Hey, looking for a little help on the subject of church attendance and mortal sin. Now I myself really enjoy attending church and have no struggle going but, I recently saw a conversation from someone who just had a baby and was asking if it was ok to miss church for this reason and of course the answers were mixed. (It seems obvious in my mind you could miss a week or two and have no worries, this makes the faith seem like a very scary thing you can so easily end in or out of grace which my grandma is terrified of her whole life)I’m just struggling with this tho, like is it really the case that if you miss one week of church you end up in mortal sin? This seems wildly crazy to me, no offence intended but, I can understand someone who makes a habit of missing church and always makes an excuse but what if you wanted to go in a camping trip and missed mass or went on a holiday with you family and missed mass. Do you actually end up in mortal sin? Is this the case or an I misunderstanding

@pemcortes9467

5 ай бұрын

As i understand it, missing sunday mass is a violation of the first and second commandments. It is a mortal sin. It takes precedence over camping etc. The only exceptions are being gravely/seriously sick, being aged/infirm. However, there is the sacrament of confession.

Oh that was a gem.

Thanks for the episode Joe. Many critics of FS cite it as possibly giving in to the onslaught of wokeness when it should be visibly standing strong against it. It technically upholds Church teaching but seems to be “intentionally”unintentionally opening the back door for something that is considered heresy. From the point of view of critics of FS it seems as if, to use the context of your video today, the Pope is on the side of the arians. Did any of the Popes during the arian controversy ever show signs of supporting it or being indifferent to it?

@virgil015

5 ай бұрын

That's why his analogy misses the point I think.

@andrewpearson1903

5 ай бұрын

Pope Liberius agreed to sign Arian documents that said “homoiusious,” or “similar substance,” and condemned St. Athanasius as a “troublemaker.” He knew Athanasius was orthodox, but Liberius had been in exile for months at least, he may not have known what Athanasius had been up to in that time, and he probably decided the semi-Arian “similar substance” formula had an orthodox interpretation and wasn’t worth going back into exile for. Immediately the Arians declared throughout the empire that the Pope was on their side. It was a miniature version of the Council of Ravenna debacle that Joe talks about.

@Quekksilber

5 ай бұрын

The clarification by the DDF issued Jan. 4th makes this interpretation of the Pope's motives for issuing it (opening back doors) untenable, in my opinion. These are not blessings of the union or the actions of the people. End of story. The document also guards against what some bishops in my home-country (Germany) want, namely a blessings handbook, which is expressedly forbidden by FS. Rome is trying to prevent a schism here and the people who are accusing the Pope of heresy or bad motives aren't helping the Church one bit.

where Peter is, there is the Church. Jesus promised Peter that the gates of hell will never overcome the Church. Then moment you accept that Jesus can’t keep His promise is the moment everything you believe becomes a lie. so as long as you believe in the words of Jesus Himself, then you must remain with the successor of Peter, because it was only him that was promised this divine promise

Thanks Joe. I would like to hear your take on Fudicia Supplicans. Why was it necessary if nothing had changed? Did it clarify an ambiguous situation or did it add to the confusion? Was it deliberately ambiguous? Are the faithful being 'softened up' for further 'changes' in praxis (not in the dogma of course)?

@halleylujah247

5 ай бұрын

He gave some commentary on it on Pints with Aquinas.

@barborazajacova7633

5 ай бұрын

On the contrary it seems to have been a reaction to the German bishops and stating clearly that their efforts at instituting blessings of same sex couples are unacceptable.

@alonsoACR

5 ай бұрын

Some bishops asked, and FS was the reply. No, you can't bless sin. Yes, you can bless sinners. Yes, homosexual unions are sinful. There's nothing new there, but is there ever? Encyclicals are pretty much always just applying doctrine within a specific circumstance. An extremely famous one, Rerum Novarum, didn't really add anything, but it clarifies how Catholics should look into things like Communism and explains that it is incompatible with the Christian faith.

@tonyl3762

5 ай бұрын

@@alonsoACR Allowing SS couples to be blessed as a couple together in a public setting is not new in terms of discipline and governance?

@PadraigTomas

5 ай бұрын

​​@@tonyl3762Certainly Fr James Martin believes FS is something new. I'm prepared to believe he knows what he's talking about. The document is self-contradictory. Those arguing to the contrary should re-read the document. It speaks of blessing couples whose defining character is their irregularity, that is, their sin. At the very least, it is scandalous.

Even Joe expressed serious concerns with the FS document. It is possible to do so without dissenting or disobeying. Faithful Catholics who have legit concerns do not appreciate being lumped in with dissenters, sedevacantists, and RadTrads.

@Kristopher-Christbearer

5 ай бұрын

Hearing comprehension?? He didn't have concerns with the document he said others have concerns with it. You can't claim to be faithful if you don't accept a magesterial teaching lol. Also it's made for clergy not some lay person.

@tonyl3762

5 ай бұрын

@@Kristopher-Christbearer I didn't say he expressed concerns in this video. Maybe you don't follow Heschmeyer as closely as I do? Maybe that's a better explanation than questioning my aural health? Check out Joe on Pints with Aquinas on 12/20/2023. Your Welcome. No one is denying magisterial teaching. Allowing same-sex couples to be blessed as a couple together in a public setting is not a teaching; it's an imprudent decision regarding discipline and governance.

@Kristopher-Christbearer

5 ай бұрын

@@tonyl3762 "you're" grasping for straws. watch this video now that the dust has settled.... if someone abuses the document that doesnt make the document the fault. If someone abuses the eucharist, like one that takes publicly dissents, then its not the eucharists fault. God still instituted knowing their would be abuse.... lay person. read the profession of the faith n submit all ur will n intellect to the pontiff like a christian is supposed to do.

@tonyl3762

5 ай бұрын

@@Kristopher-Christbearer Was Joe grasping for straws on Pints with Aquinas?? Did Trent Horn grasp for straws on Ben Shapiro and CA Live? Watch what video? The fact that the document allows SS couples to be blessed AS A COUPLE is the document's fault, not an abuse of the document; again, it is imprudent, even if it can be technically/legally justified by the lawyers in the hierarchy. None of the later clarifications from the DDF/Cardinal Fernandez denied that the couple could be blessed as a couple together in one blessing. Moreover, the document was more concerned about "intolerable casuistry" than the very real, grave, and foreseeable danger of abuse and scandal because the document took no specific steps to avoid scandal such as requiring the cleric to ask the reason for the request for the blessing, the individuals to be blessed as individuals, the blessing to occur in private, or certain guardrails/rubrics in terms of the language that could be used for the blessing. Christian submission does not require silence in the face of imprudence or abuse with respect to discipline or governance. Canon 212 allows the faithful to express their concerns with respect and obedience. Take it up with St Catherine of Siena.

@dan_m7774

5 ай бұрын

Joe was an idiot for expressing serious concerns, as he spreads doubt and fear. The proper thing was to seek clarification and advice. To spend decades explaining the assurances of Christ regarding the Church, then wring your hands when you have doubts is a personal failure.

One might consider the lack of judgment shown by the Holy Father in elevating Cardinal Fernandez to the chief office of doctrinal affairs in the Church. The very same Cardinal who authored an interesting book that includes the enlightening fantasy describing the sexual relations between a 16 year old girl and Jesus. Quite illuminating.

@Quekksilber

5 ай бұрын

One might consider the lack of judgement shown by the College of Cardinals and the Holy Spirit in elevating Aena Silvio Piccolomini into the Papal office. The very same man who authored an interesting book that includes the affair via letter of a married woman describing with erotic imagery the attraction to one another. The same man who interestingly had children out of wedlock before he became pope. Quite illuminating. Yes. You now understand what kinds of arguments that 16th-century Catholics found so convincing that they turned into Protestants. That doesn't make their points about the papal doctrines true, though.

I just finished “the apostasy that never was”. Amazing book.

Great stuff, Joe! My biggest question with the whole controversy right now is why the Church is discussing blessing same sex couples. I know they tried to distinguish the type of blessing by saying that it isn't a liturgical condoning of the union. But if that's the case, why bless "couples"? The very nature of being a couple IS the union. Wouldn't it be more prudent for the church to just say that any individual can receive a blessing, regardless of their sinful proclivities? It just seems difficult to separate blessing a "couple" from condoning the union. I welcome anyone's thoughts if they'd be willing to share.

@Quekksilber

5 ай бұрын

Where the document in paragraph 31 speaks about couples it says "those" who seek God's help with a humble heart and not a confirmation of their status. The blessing is for the individuals to live their life in fidelity to the Gospel. Why not let Cardinal Fernandez speak in the clarification about the document: "[N]on-ritualized blessings are not a consecration of the person nor of the couple who receives them, they are not a justification of all their actions, and they are not an endorsement of the life that they lead." “If two people approach together to seek the blessing, one simply asks the Lord for peace, health and other good things for these two people who request it,” it says. “At the same time, one asks that they may live the Gospel of Christ in full fidelity and so that the Holy Spirit can free these two people from everything that does not correspond to his divine will and from everything that requires purification.” These quotations were taken from the Pillar article about the clarification by the DDF.

@Chili7Voodoo

5 ай бұрын

@Quekksilber Thanks for your comment. I'm familiar with the document, but I still think the language is irresponsible. The teaching (or clarification of teaching) itself may not be heretical, but it certainly doesn't seem that it was presented with care. The confusion in the Church that has been caused by this seems to be a direct consequence of the wording. I can understand that the Pope is trying to be careful in preventing schism, but it really does feel like the wording has been intentionally left ambiguous enough to leave plenty of room for misinterpretation. This is my problem with blessing a "couple." The context you cited above suggests that to give a same-sex couple a blessing would be to ask for God's assistance in dissolving their status AS a couple. I understand the point being made in the technical sense. However, I think the presentation seems counterintuitive to most people, and that ambiguity feels like the Church is trying to leave wiggle- room. The Church is supposed to be stronger than the age it exists in, and the appearance of the Church bending to accommodate "current thing" is disheartening.

@Quekksilber

5 ай бұрын

@@Chili7Voodoo I truly understand your concern, thank you for your comments. What helped me was to reflect on these Words by Pope St. Pius X: "If you love the Pope, you do not stop to debate what he counsels or requires, to discover the extent of the strict duty and obedience and determine the limits of its obligation. If you love the Pope, you do not object that he has not spoken sufficiently clearly, as though he were obliged to repeat directly into the ear of everyone the desire he has so often clearly expressed, not only in speech but also in letters and other public documents; you do not cast doubt upon his orders on the facile pretext of the willfully disobedient that they do not proceed directly from him, but from his entourage; you do not try to circumscribe the area in which he may and ought to exercise his authority, you do not oppose the authority of other person's, however learned, whose opinion differs from the Pope's against the authority of the Pope." I am a German Catholic, and I have seen how some of the German functionaries, not just some of the bishops, have tried to do something akin to what St. Pius X advises against here. I also see many of these things with some traditionalists. A good test I have taken up for whether my criticism of the Holy See is valid is trying to apply it to a spouse. "My wife is always speaking so ambiguously, I'm beginning to wonder if she does it intentionally... This could destroy our relationship." "Has she tried to clarify?" "Actually yes, and in that light, what she said isn't a problem at all, but still, she shouldn't have been ambiguous to begin with and there are others who are saying that even the clarification was made with bad motives, trying to soothe me while further trying to destroy the relationship." "Don't you think that some of your criticism against your wife is unfair? How can she appear to be of good faith to you, when there is always another hidden bad intention you can go back to? Could it be that from your side your suspicion is also harming the relationship?" I think too many faithful Catholics have listened too much to people who told them that the Holy See had some other mission rather than unification of the Church, defense of the Faith and the spread of Christ's kingdom over the Earth. And, applying that back to my analogy, those are the voices I should trust less than that of my spouse. I think the confusion in the Church is a direct consequence of people trying to put the Holy Father in a certain light. I have seen it both from the lib German and the trad side.

@Chili7Voodoo

5 ай бұрын

@Quekksilber I appreciate your words, and I agree that many public commentators are criticizing the Pope based on their own opinions how he should do things instead of on the Church's teaching about the office (if that makes sense). Though I am not in the camp of folks who are calling Francis a heretic, I am also not in the camp of folks who seem blindly optimistic about the Vatican's actions. Rather, I find myself in the position of praying for our Holy Father to do well in his office for the good of the Church and the glory of God, whatever it is that that may look like. I'm certainly not wise enough to know God's plan or to judge what SHOULD be, so I leave my trust in Him and His church. That said, I think it's easy for well-read and well-catechized Catholics to sometimes forget that many Catholics are neither of those things. You and I can both read, follow, and understand the nuance of this situation, but many (maybe even most) of our brothers and sisters in Christ will not contend with this situation so easily. With so many voices clamoring in the extreme on either side, it can be easy for people to not know who to listen to or who to believe. It's not as though the Church has never had a bad Pope or been misled into temporarily agreeing with heresy, so it is reasonable for folks to be vigilant. And with secularism and worship of the individual and self-pleasure on the rise globally, I certainly understand why people are quick to react to anything that even looks like that sickness infiltrating the Church. I just pray that the Pope can balance the appropriate levels of both charity and cynicism to teach on the Word in a way that resonates with with people and inspires loving confidence in the Church.

So what were the popes teaching during this time?

@adelbertleblanc1846

5 ай бұрын

no matter ! What are You teaching YOU matters for You and yours...

Julian the Apostate could be an episode in itself. Great job Joe.

@user-uc1yb7hy2n

5 ай бұрын

@@eremiasranwolf3513 That would be no mean feat.

@user-uc1yb7hy2n

5 ай бұрын

@@eremiasranwolf3513 could you demonstrate?

What divides and at the same time unites a Church of the Wicked and a Church of the Just, is, according to Pope Benedict XVI when he was still a young theologian, Joseph Ratzinger, that the Church is, until the Last Judgment, both Church of Christ and Church of the Antichrist: "From this it follows that the Antichrist belongs to the Church, grows in it and with it up to the great separation, which will be introduced by the definitive revelation" It is worth reflecting on this last point to understand to distinguish a dark Church, made up of the Wicked who form the body of Satan, and a Just Church, made up of those who are faithful to Christ. In the present State, the Church's two bodies are inseparably mixed, but they will be divided at the end of days: "Now this goes on from the time of the Lord's passion until the church, which keeps it in check, withdraws from the midst of this mystery of lawlessness so that godlessness may be unveiled in its own time, as the apostle says in the Second Epistle of Paul to the Thessalonians, which contains a prophecy on the end of days. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this? And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming. The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

@Quekksilber

5 ай бұрын

One thing we can say for sure is, even if that theological opinion should be true, is that the side opposed to Peter is not the safe side.

This is a really good video, I think there will be a taste of what happened in the early church coming all the same. Especially as it looks like Viagno has been ordained into a schismatic church and looks to be at least settling the stage for a parallel church that will attempt to lead people away. But you know we have to be consistent on this message. Not at all saying you are inconsistent but when on shows like pints with aquinas (where the majority of commentators have schismatic leanings that are never corrected by the host) we do need to be mindful extra caution is needed on certain points.

@shamelesspopery

5 ай бұрын

I agree with you on the need for prudence. The needle I have tried to thread (on Pints with Aquinas, and elsewhere) is to simultaneously stress that (a) Fiducia Supplicans can and should be read in an orthodox way; and (b) it is also true that the language is ambiguous and confusing on points. In the comments, a roughly-equal number of people were mad at me for making points (a) and (b). Since it sounds like we agree on (a), let me speak to (b). My goal here isn’t to get anybody’s ire up, but to stress that believing in the Church’s infallibility and indefectibility doesn’t require that we always *like* the Holy See’s intervention or wording. Those who act as if we DO have to like it are binding heavy burdens, hard to carry, and laying them on the shoulders of the laity. But this is (ironically) not the teaching of the Magisterium, and so far I’ve only seen lay Catholics abusing one another in this way. It’s much healthier if we can just take a deep breath, say, “I don’t love the way that they handled that, but nothing in there requires me to deny anything of faith and morals,” and move forward.

@michaelbeauchamp22

5 ай бұрын

@@shamelesspoperyThat's a good point. It would be like saying, since we have Nicaea I, we don't need further clarifications like Chalcedon. Or, Nicaea I isn't binding because it isn't comprehensive

@masterchief8179

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@shamelesspopery Joe, I personally agree with all your preoccupation concerning possible pastoral issues with FS, even though I don’t particularly think the document is ambiguous and confusing in the textual/ philological level. I say that in all honesty. Once we are into a drowning stream, it’s harsh to see the land with clarity and objectivity - so I sense it’s easier to align our consolidated judgements (of confusion and ambiguity) of Pope Francis’ ecclesiastical governance with the vindicated judgment of this document “per se”. Let’s make it clear that Pope Francis is not my favorite pope (not to say I think he is a bad pope indeed). But there is a real problem of calibration of expectations: after the proclamation of the Council of Nicea, most of the East was Semi-Arian if not pure followers of Arianism in the mere wake of. Later in the West, Arianism spread over the Visigothic kingdom of Spain and it took at least three Councils in Toledo and a lot of saints of the Church to expel it. And it’s just one example. The application of doctrinal documents is most surely complex and tortuous throughout history, so why are we supposing the application of pastoral norms must be straightforward, at the expense of some insistent criticism of confusion (some of which obstinate critics can be actually the real cause of, or, at best, a co-cause)? It is counter-historical to even make this kind of argument, I guess. If struggles for orthodoxy always came from misappropriating and misapplicating documents, it’s only realistic to expect struggles for orthopraxis can happen by the same misappropriation and misapplication processes. Look at the “Robber Council” and Chalcedon, the Henotikon, the Acacian Schism - the Libel/ Formula of Hormisdas, the Monothelite Crisis up to Constantinople III, please. If it’s true concerning core doctrines and documents expressed by some of the greatest theologian saints ever, it’s naive to expect no misapplication of pastoral documents is going to come, if the documents are intrinsically “better written” (leaving room for the all-stable pernicious overcriticism). Still those type of crises are solved by granting to further elaborate the same doctrine/ pastoral definitions as questions and turmoil arise through historical times, but ALSO the application of disciplinary canons over dissenters of all ideological/ theological sympathies. Laxity is the real problem, not doctrinal solidity and even clarity of the documents in themselves (for the most times). I personally don’t concede to this point in regards to FS, as said. So two things we must consider here: first, we are yet to see the implementation of the documents, but the disciplinary guidelines are finally put there nevertheless. Just by now, if the RadLib German bishops move on with their agenda, they can - and must - be disciplined. In my opinion, there is not as much space for schism due to mismanagement by now on the issue of FS: on either sides of the aisle, schism can only happen through disobedience and the lack of trust in the diffuse guidance of the Holy Spirt. There is no other possibility. This lack of trust - I call it “crypto-Protestantism” due to an obstinate attack on the pope by some, but we could see the same “ethos” in the spectrum that is on the exact antipode, in attacking ancient popes or documents - is almost unbearable to digest. It’s not to say it artificializes a crisis that is real and genuine; but it surely makes those who are not yet in their spiritual and intellectual maturity more angry, more desperate and, naturally, more prone to jeopardize their own salvation through the abandonment of the ship. Is it really worth to engage in this perceptible Anglophone "cultural conservatism" (let me put it this way) that overly criticizes Pope Francis as a sort of preferred “modus operandi”? Maybe it is not enough (at least not anymore) to be simply “not as radical” as Taylor Marshall (and such) on the crossroads of nowadays. Secondly, I believe there is a pastoral calculus the Church always has to do, mostly when she is severely pressed by a (serious) risk of heresy and schism. This calculus is harsh for us to grasp with our limited intellects even immediately, let alone on the long run of God’s plan. As far as the rules of pastorality, a conservative like myself would probably think first about avoiding scandals on the moral aspect of Christian life, due to the extensibility and the ostensive nature of public sinning (in opposition of the inscrutable aspect of internal repentance); a liberal would probably think first about providing extensive means of mercy, so that the Church can effectively manifest the salvific Gospel of Christ Jesus in a post-Christian world to absolutely everyone (and true repentance can be then developed inside people’s hearts up to the public transformation). Both views are meritorious on their own proposals, but they must refrain from their intrinsic defects: the previous one could lead to a Pharisaic morality of externalities at the detriment of internal dispositions, failing - in varying degrees - to recognize all of us are struggling sinners in need of actual graces even for the most basic of our good deeds; the latter could lead to a pagan morality, where true changing of past life is hardly a central theme in the conversation and at most is neglected to the backstage of the play, simply to overemphasize an arguable initial disposition that doesn’t necessarily get to its transforming maturity. After years being here as a Brazilian, I came to the conclusion that the tone on the Anglophone Internet is essentially Puritanical/ Protestantized in its “ethos”, therefore more susceptible to suffer from scandal than to suffer from the deprivation of mercy. In developed rich societies, (de)privation is hardly a theme, like in the USA in general. So maybe, just maybe because I’m a Latin American - even being a truly conservative (in some respect I could even define myself as a true intellectual conservative) -, I tend to think slightly different as far as the fear of scandal and scrupulosity go when in tension with the need of mercy being preached more clearly and all again in our post-Christian societies. I share all your preoccupations but I honestly trust the Holy Spirit and I suffer from the constant attacks on the solidity of our faith, because I think God wouldn’t (and won’t) let the Church that Jesus founded, which is the Catholic Church, to be harmful to people’s souls in her teaching authority. Technical protection against error (infallibility) can’t come out from mere norms of pastorality and non-definitive teachings: but they require levels of assent that are not compatible with both vitriolic dissent AND the subtle permanent criticism that undermines the confidence in the Holy Spirit’s guidance. So some minimalist or maximalist views of infallibility aside (since there are Catholic dogmatic definitions that put both to rest), we are talking about the indelible soteriological security of the Church beyond the “ecclesio-drama”. ‘Au contrarie’, true safety can only be found on St Peter’s barque - that Jesus chose for himself. As St Faustina says, the devil can imitate humility but he simply can’t emulate obedience (which is true specially under harsh circumstances). Some overly criticizing views of the Church cause despair to so many confused people whose hearts are fed with affliction and resentment: so those criticis can only be myopic or wrongly guided if they cannot see the effect of their actions even if they say it’s only fair to differentiate themselves from public dissenters and at the same time they deny - practically and intellectually - the assent of their intellect and will on some selected magisterial documents. From 🇧🇷 Brazil with love.

@alonsoACR

5 ай бұрын

​@@masterchief8179 I loved your post so much that an upvote just can't suffice in my mind. So here's a comment. I absolutely agree with everything you said. Disciplinary actions and further clarity are certainly coming, they just take a while. Clarifications of Nicaea took decades to patch up, well-documented miracles like Fatima took like 30 years to be recognized. Right now, I'm following rather closely what Rome has been doing regarding the materially schismatic German Bishops and it's being rather fast, under Church historical standards. The Pope has called upon them all to discuss with the Dicasteries regarding what they can and can't teach, and what they ought to follow and how to handle the fact their faithful are by and large modernists. There will be several meetings all throughout 2024. The biggest hurdle on battling against the potential schisms in the Church, is, I sense, there's a fear in the upper ranks of mismanaging it to the point of a repeat of the Protestant Reformation. If you recall, during the Reformation there were many places whose governments were leaning Protestant, and as the Church stomped down on their heresy, their governments pushed the priesthood into staying put. We lost hundreds of Churches and Cathedrals, hundreds of bishops and thousands of priests to the Protestants. A notable case is that when Henry VIII made his own church, of the 200 bishops of England only around 2 resisted. All due to government pressure. That is to say that what's happening in Germany is at such a scale that if the Vatican is too heavy-handed, we may outright lose millions of people, due to all and every single one of their local churches leaving Rome. The German State provides major funding to the Church in Germany, along with the maintenance of Germany's cathedrals and churches. A bit of pressure from them may be enough. And that government is, by the way, secularist, modernist, progressivist, and panics at hearing anything regarding Catholic teachings on sex & marriage. If the Pope wakes up tomorrow and defrocks all German bishops, I reckon we shouldn't expect anything but massive and catastrophic consequences. It's dire. Extremely dire. The Vatican's approach here is to call upon the bishops and call them to recant their heresies. We save the Bishops' souls. Make them think they're alone, even though they aren't (most of Germany's bishops are materially heretical at minimum by now). Part of the strategy is to find pastoral applications within the boundaries of Doctrine, so that there won't be such a radical change in dynamics which, God forbid, may call their government's attention. I'll be brutally honest here. The situation is bad enough that a schism might just be unavoidable. However, Rome's efforts won't be in vain, many bishops may still be saved. May God help us all.

@dan_m7774

5 ай бұрын

@@shamelesspopery Christ own teaching "This is my Body"doesn’t require that we always like Christ's intervention or wording. Those who act as if we DO have to like it are binding heavy burdens, hard to carry, and laying them on the shoulders of the laity. If we can just take a deep breath, say, “I don’t love the way that Christ handled that, but nothing in there requires me to deny anything of faith and morals,” and move forward.

Being just a lowly layperson I want to see more TLM services held in more places. Everywhere a church holds these masses the church fills up. I have 3 Catholic churches within 15 minutes of driving time. None of them hold TLM services but oh yeah Spanish services are no problem even though our three towns are mostly white people. I have to travel almost an hour to find a TLM that meets at 7:30 in the morning in a gym. way to tell everyone that this service is not important. We could turn the church around if we got back to basics I feel. Go back to kneeling and taking the Eucharist on the tongue. No more girl alter servers and no more women handing out the Eucharist. If we treated the mass with reverence I feel like the church would become more important to people. Get rid of protestant themes within Catholic churches.

@dan_m7774

5 ай бұрын

Do not make the TLM an idol.

@StanleyPinchak

5 ай бұрын

​@@dan_m7774“Cursed be he that removeth his neighbour's landmarks: and all the people shall say: Amen.” (Deu 27:17, DRC)

@2196logan

5 ай бұрын

@@dan_m7774 I don't think I am but after studying church history I see how much was lost when we moved away from TLM. I am a convert and I feel like something was stolen from me before I even got here. I go to an N.O. mass because I do believe it's valid, but I have to kneel without kneelers and jump lines if a woman is handing out the Eucharist, etc. I want reverence and I don't see it practiced. So yes I hope I am not making an idol of it and I will walk carefully. Thank you and God bless.

@dan_m7774

5 ай бұрын

@@StanleyPinchak The TLM replaced the Mass in effect, before a Pope approved it, then it has had many changes afterwards.

@dan_m7774

5 ай бұрын

@@2196logan The apostles never celebrated the TLM, and they were not missing anything.

Death in the Golden Age: Fresh Easter from Old Calvary, by Joe Heschmeyer, Catholic Answers Press, 2025. I look forward to it!

Good video, Joe, though i think the issue today is different than the arian controversy. Namely, the indefectability of the church depends on our ecclesiology, namely, the bonding of truth and unity within the apostolic see. The current problem is that the heresy itself (or at least the scandalous ambiguity) is coming from that seat of unity and truth itself, namely Rome. I agree with your conclusions, though the difficulty remains with todays problem compared to prior heresies or ambiguities originating outside Rome.

@alonsoACR

5 ай бұрын

Still not the first time Rome has been ambiguous. There's nothing new here.

@bourbonrebel5515

5 ай бұрын

When has the pope been teaching heresy?

@alonsoACR

5 ай бұрын

@@bourbonrebel5515 Oh shit I missed that part. David's literally saying that Rome is teaching heresy. That's just wrong, what the heck? When has the Magisterium TAUGHT heresy ever?

@davidkline9958

5 ай бұрын

​@@alonsoACRI'm not definitively saying Rome has taught heresy -- I have no authority canonically to do that as far as I'm aware, though i see how my comment could be read that way. In agreement with Cardinal Muller, I think Pope Francis's recent magisterial documents can be interpreted in a materially heretical way on some points, as in FS, leading to entire episcopal conferences rejecting it as we currently have. At least in FS his magisterium reflects scandalous ambiguity, as I also noted above. But regardless, the difficulty stands if the seat of what is supposed to bring doctrinal clarity puts out not just ambiguous statements, which has happened before of course, but contradictions of recent magisterium -- namely blessing same sex couples. That problem at a minimum injures souls because of the scandal involved. So the question really is this: how far can Rome go to lead to the injury of souls and its claims still be true? I do believe in the papacy and indefectability of the church, though it's credibility is getting strained with more recent noninfallible magisterial proclamations. Thoughts?

I always thought that the arguments over Christology were ridiculous. I remember looking into the monophysite controversy, and it was difficult for me to even understand the differences between the two sides. It seemed to me that they were just arguing over words. Is it possible to perform a scientific experiment on Christ to figure out how he works or what is nature is? Is there some tangible difference to how we relate to him on Earth whether he has 1 human-divine nature or is one being with two natures? I am not aware that there is. It seems to me that in the absence of a scientific experiment (which is obviously impossible), the only way to resolve the issue is for Jesus to just come down to Earth and tell us. However, it doesn't appear that he did this. I don't think a technically correct way of understanding Jesus is even necessary to worship him properly. Did he say, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me," or did he say, "He who has and professes the correct Christology is he who loves me"? I think it would be like if you were disowned because you had an incorrect understanding of your mother's circulatory system. It seems to me that it's not at all necessary to have a technical understanding of the nature of another person's being in order to be able to love that person. Even if Christology is necessary for salvation, I have to become a scholar on the topic to have an informed opinion on the matter, which does not seem fair. I understand that the early Christians believed that their unanimity was a sign of their inspiration by the holy spirit. Well, if there's a church council that forms a schism (like between the Catholics and the Oriental Orthodox), doesn't that disprove that the council was of the holy spirit? It seems to me then that by the conception of the people at the time, I must conclude that there was no holy spirit in the church already by the time of the split of the Oriental Orthodox.

Joe, thank you so much for this lecture and detailed explanation of the dynamic processes within the Catholic Church over the past 2000 years. I have been Catholic all my 7 decades and recently found myself very unsure of our current ruling group in Rome. The ambiguity of the documents presented over the past decade have me feeling like I have whiplash. Literally the recent documents have shaken me regarding my faithfulness to Christ’s Church. You certainly help me in understanding how I should be looking in the long term and not the short term in regards to my faith and the Church.

Saint Paul written: “When I am weak, then I am strong” If the Church diminishes, then without any complexes the Christian people can affirm his Faith and spread the Gospel around him, because no one cares exactly because we are fewer and fewer...

@elizabethking5523

5 ай бұрын

Yes, narrow is the way, and few there be that find it..❤🙏🏻

@adelbertleblanc1846

5 ай бұрын

@@elizabethking5523 ❤🙏

Joe is a legend

When you flip a bird to your savior, think there is more than 1 God....what do you expect? When will the catholic church be held accountable for their heresy?

It's sad that Catholic apologists have to spend an ever increasing amount of their time and energy on damage control.

@essafats5728

5 ай бұрын

Praise be to God. alleluia for their God-blessed talent, and educating others

Thank you very much for a great presentation. I thought it very thoughtful and helpful. I do have two questions/comments. First, if Fiducia Supplicans Is not meant to allow for the blessing of same-sex unions and other irregular relationships, why the need to “develop” the doctrine of blessing? It still seems to smack of the kind of deceptiveness that you mention was used by the Arians. Second, one of the things that keeps me from the Catholic Church is the doctrine of papal infallibility. I have seen many comments from Catholics saying that one should obey the pope no matter what because the pope is infallible and Christ will prevent him from error, because Christ has promised that the church will not fail. I noticed with appreciation that when you talk about the church prevailing, it is based on much larger criteria and the work of Christ. I am, by the way, an Anglican, with a deep appreciation of the Catholic Church.

@adelbertleblanc1846

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for your share.... of course Youa are free to have objections againts RCA, and no one wanted to conviced You about nothing... Have a nice day !

@Quekksilber

5 ай бұрын

The development mentioned is the distiction between liturgical and formal blessings and spontaneous pastoral blessings. Fernandez said this in the clarification about FS, published Jan. 4th. It is not about consecrating or hallowing same-sex unions or sexual acts in any way. That has also been said repeatedly in the document as well as the clarification. Papal infallibility is one of the ways Christ prevails through His Church. When you look at the history of the papacy, you can really come to the conclusion that this institution has received a special kind of help.

@marilynmelzian7370

5 ай бұрын

@@Quekksilber I realize that. But why they need to develop the doctrine if it wasn’t to allow for some type of blessing for those who could not receive the other kind?

@masterchief8179

5 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@marilynmelzian7370 Sister, it’s not that pastoral blessings didn’t exist. It just wasn’t defined in opposition to liturgical or formal/ritual ones. To anyone who is slightly familiar with Church ministry in prisons, we simply KNOW that priests do give pastoral - that means spontaneous, non-liturgical - blessings to convicted criminals like murderers and rapists, if (and whenever) they ask for it, without being sure of a previous sureness (and indelible) certainty of their true repentance, concomitant with the disposition shown in the approach to God’s minister. In a sense, one can say that actual graces imparted through the pastoral (spontaneous) blessings, in the case of imprisoned criminals asking a priest for, are actually a vehicle that helps the beggar to move from the state of closeness to the state of openness to the Gospel; to move from presumable insincerity to true repentance, which is, therefore, more of a result - not a pre-condition known with absolute certitude - of the very process. As we know, _“Among sacramentals, BLESSINGS (of persons, meals, objects, and places) come first. Every blessing praises God and prays for his gifts"_ (…) (Catechism of the Catholic Church, No. 1671). Definitions in sacramentology here are essential. Sacramentals _”are sacred signs which bear a resemblance to the sacraments. They signify effects, particularly of a spiritual nature, which are obtained through the intercession of the Church. By them, men are disposed to receive the chief effect of the sacraments, and various occasions in life are rendered holy”_ (Catechism of the Catholic Church, No. 1667). So sacramentals, among other proper effects, provide graces to dispose people to ordinarily receive the sacraments, like confession and the Eucharist, for instance. It’s applied to SS couples just as it is for divorced people living faithful second unions (who are adulterous, therefore). The very objective of formalizing this distinction (by the development of two categories of blessings) was TO IMPEDE what ordinarily happens in the Church of England (and in the Anglican communion in general): SS couples are given “blessings” in a ritualized ceremony. And at the same time, they aimed at showing mercy to those who, in their current state (homosexuals or divorced people living together irregularly unions), can’t receive the sacraments, helping them with the graces to find God’s way and encounter true repentance and finally live new lives in accordance with God’s will.

@marilynmelzian7370

5 ай бұрын

@@masterchief8179 Thank you. This is helpful. I think that what does the mischief in the document is the fact that one is not giving a blessing to an individual, but to what is called in the document a couple and so could be construed as a way around the ban on liturgical blessings. From what I have read, Pope Francis has been elevating those who support the LGBT plus cause. Plus the fact that those who are using this in that way, for example, Fr. James Martin, are not being disciplined while faithful priests and bishops are. The fact that so many people are confused also means that something is being miscommunicated.

Reminds me of great books by Rod Bennett: _Bad Shepherds_ and _The Apostasy That Wasn't_

@John_Fisher

5 ай бұрын

I haven't gotten around to Bad Shepherds yet, but loved The Apostasy That Wasn't. Four Witnesses was also great and a good pairing for The Apostasy That Wasn't. They really bridge the gap between Jesus establishing the Church and Constantine (not) inventing Christianity/Catholicism.

Chaos, thy name is Bergoglio!

How do we contact you for a question? I'm a Baptist that has been struggling for a long time about my faith. I've been watching you, Pints for Aquinas and many others. I just finished watching "Do protestants really worship God?" And it hit my soul because that is what's been missing in my life. I went to catholic mass this past Christmas and I cried the whole time. But the not sharing of the cup really cut me, and now I don't know what to do. I want to feel the presence of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but why is the cup excluded from the laity?

@StanleyPinchak

5 ай бұрын

Find an Eastern Catholic Church. Both species, one cup. But the reality is that both species are in the host at the Latin Rite. Hopefully, as Covid fears die down, more Latin Churches will bring back the chalice.

@bluecomb5376

5 ай бұрын

I think they might be saying "why can't I, a baptist, receive communion (bread and wine)?"@@StanleyPinchak

@jebbush2527

5 ай бұрын

Why would the lack of the cup negatively impact you? You shouldn’t be receiving communion *at all* until you are formerly confirmed as a Catholic, as doing so prior is a grave sin. (If you did receive don’t sweat it too much, you didn’t know) After you are Catholic, you don’t need to receive under both species (ie, both bread and wine). God cannot be divided into parts-one species holds *both* the body and blood. Thus, those with celiac who only receive the blood, those at a church that hasn’t restored wine since COVID, and the Catholic who gets both bread and wine is getting *the exact same grace.* This is further exemplified in Eucharistic miracles where there contains both flesh and blood. The idea you need both species or you aren’t getting everything is actually an early Protestant heresy. Before you formally convert and cannot receive, despair not: attending mass even if you don’t receive you’re still participating in the sacrifice. There’s various spiritual communion prayer options, too, where you declare your desire to receive him when you enter full communion with the Roman Church. Looking up the theology of baptism of desire may also soothe you. Bless!

@Quekksilber

5 ай бұрын

Because the whole Christ is present under each species, in every particle. Receiving Communion, we also receive the Blood of Christ. Splitting that up was actually the main part of Jan Hus' heresy. As someone else already pointed out, the Eastern Catholic Churches give out Communion under both species, sometimes also the West by intinction. I think one reason it might have developed that way in the West is simply due to the number of people and fittingness - I am a Lutheran convert and the pastor going back to the altar and consecreting new wine while "communion" is handed out, or having something like 7 chalices on the altar seems unfitting to the Sacrifice of the Holy Mass. It is One cup we partake of. Also, it could just have been to prevent unintentional mishappenings like spilling or swallowing. That is why it is more fitting to receive Communion on the tounge.

It's time to read the Book of Mormon. It's changed my life. Jesus Christ lives and leads his church.

47:01 - 47:24 This feels eerily too familiar right now 😂

Thank you for this. It was a golden age for the truth of our belief and it was a struggle over many years. Poor Athanasius went back and forth from his seat five times. A symbol of what would happen after he died, I suppose. I can't help feeling that this is our Church (Christ) fighting a political, intellectual battle but now we are fighting a battle of the heart. Our pastoral pope exposes a certain hard-heartedness of many towards others. Criticism is fierce and fast. He has to be careful what words he uses but he tries to express the nature of Christ, who ate with sinners and had no trace of the cynicism of our age. Our well-trained critical faculties are inclined towards judgement of others. Can an excellent apologist like you expound 1Cor13? Perhaps that would help?