I've never served on jury duty, but it must be very difficult to "disregard" something someone has said. How do you just forget what they said?

@EthalaRide

5 ай бұрын

you kinda dont, and laywers know that and strategically push that. The judges know that too, and depending on how the judge tells you to disregard, it can either look like the side that just put up the thing needing to be disregarded is being repressed and telling the truth, OR they're being bullies and intentionally being messy which makes them look bad. It's all a tricky game

@ghillies4life

5 ай бұрын

​@@EthalaRide And the lawyer does it too often or too severely, and you can argue that the jury has been irreparably tainted and it's a mistrial.

@joilegrand5147

5 ай бұрын

Great explanations you guys! 😊❤

@aspenrebel

3 ай бұрын

You cant.

@mariaferreras4369

Ай бұрын

I’ve been on four jury’s. You don’t forget. You hear it all. Sometimes rules in court on what can be said don’t help get to justice.

I’ll bet the Scientologists loved this episode

@Pogouldangeliwitz

5 ай бұрын

And don't even get started on the members of the MAGA-cult...

@Wolffen51

5 ай бұрын

@@Pogouldangeliwitz ahh yes...the MAGA cult, under the leadership of Donald Trump, the head of the MAGA church

@danielwoodruff3118

4 ай бұрын

@@Pogouldangeliwitz Normal, hardworking conservatives are a cult?

@TheBatugan77

4 ай бұрын

​@@Pogouldangeliwitz Don't get me started on joke biden

@LightsaberGoBrrrrrr

4 ай бұрын

@@Pogouldangeliwitz keep parroting what MSNBC tells you too. I bet you think we’re all racists who love Russia too right?

On the cupcakes: I know this is just a TV show, but suicide is an INTENSELY complicated issue. Of people who have survived suicide attempts, a huge proportion say they regretted the attempt almost immediately. It is absolutely not uncommon for people to have exhibited signs of cheer and well-being in the hours before taking their own life.

@idontno0

10 ай бұрын

? She was murdered. Did you even watch?

@studogable

10 ай бұрын

@@idontno0 yes, and in this case the cupcakes were indeed a valid sign that she didn't take her own life. In real life, it's not so cut and dried.

@amandajackson668

10 ай бұрын

As someone who has tried to commit suicide several times since 4th grade and is now 22 I can confirm I would definitely eat cupcakes before killing myself like a last meal a prisoner gets before being executed.

@in_vino_veritas7938

10 ай бұрын

Except all the cupcakes were there. If cheer before the end occurred she would have eaten them. There would be more to it as well, she probably would've gifted her favorite belongings to friends or family prior. Also, wouldn't her mood would have been heightened? Edit: not in disagreement about depression, just seen a lot of crime shows and detective stuff, lol

@YouTubeallowedmynametobestolen

10 ай бұрын

@@in_vino_veritas7938 in_vino, you show your arrogance by assuming that what you think likely is fact. You reveal it in your wording: "she would have" once, "she would have" twice, plus "her mood would have." Those things might be likely, but they are definitely not certain. You seem to be one of those people suffering from the illness of needing to see everything as absolutes. Very little in reality is. Also: "her husband said she wasn't any different than usual"??? HE'S THE ONE WHO MURDERED HER. But you take his word? Phhhhhhhhttttt.

Does anyone find it odd that the judge completely threw out that testimony. Him bringing up the jury unless he had proof was too far, but the fact that they assembled folders on the police investigating the murder that the trial was about seems very relevant to me.

@naiadolling

7 ай бұрын

Seemed very relevant to me too. But what do I know? I got irrelevant “relevance” objections sustained on me a ton of times that made no sense whatsoever.

This has scientology written all over it.

@joelellis7035

5 ай бұрын

Dianetics- the Bible of Scientology.

@fxwizard6421

Ай бұрын

I was going to say that

Not sure about the legality of what the DA did. Pretending to be a member of a cult in order to get the suspect to agree to a plea deal? Isn't that somehow abuse of power? He did obtain the confession under false pretense, didn't he? I'm new to this stuff 😂😂

@WarGrowlmon18

10 ай бұрын

He implied that he might actually be afterwards 😉😉😉

@kyleolson9636

10 ай бұрын

Both the prosecutors and police can lie freely to a suspect during interrogations or plea deal negotiations. There are some limitations like misrepresenting what the law is, but lying about their religion is fair game.

@hamham0317

10 ай бұрын

Depends Not a lawyer Like @kyleolson9636 said, police can lie BUT the lawyer could likely argue that his client is/was not of sound mind negating everything. Given he is clearly in an extremely paranoid state about the cult, a psy eval would more than likely toss the plea out and the prosecutor would be disciplined as he would be taking advantage of an impaired individual similar to getting someone who is drunk to confess to a crime.

@ambers3344

10 ай бұрын

Yeah the police can say the have evidence even if they don't to get you to confess

@RLucas3000

9 ай бұрын

@@hamham0317 this guy is clearly not of sound mind, he’s actually I think the only killer on this show I’ve ever felt sorry for, certainly his wife didn’t deserve to die, but the actors performance broke me just a bit, he’s a great actor whoever he is, I wonder what else he’s done

Really not a fan of the ADA taking advantage of the defense's mental issues in order to get a plea deal. Definitely grounds for disbarment, plus a lawsuit, and overall just sickening behavior

@VeryDeathlyShiny

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, and the defense attorney's play to - quite literally - intimidate the jury is to be just overlooked? A stunt he succeeds at point-in-fact. Something which earned him just a mild scolding from the judge. Man would have been drug before the bar and beaten into unemployment with it.

@deepspacetrash6522

10 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, but at least we’re supposed to dislike him. It’s stuff like that, especially some of the police’s questionable methods, that remind me that this show is copaganda no matter how much I like it

@bchearne

10 ай бұрын

You may not like it, but I’m pretty sure that type of manipulation is legal

@aspenrebel

3 ай бұрын

What are you talking about? The "we" he was talking about was himself and the other gal ADA.

@user-xz9iq4ul3c

3 ай бұрын

It’s a show bros talking like it’s real life💀

He admitted to the crime under duress and that wouldn't stand up in any court

@inheritmyshoes9559

7 ай бұрын

Thats just not true. Sorry.

I dont love how cutter uses peoples delusions to break them He does this in many episodes

@wtichery

10 ай бұрын

Good

@thehangmansdaughter1120

10 ай бұрын

Just because someone holds certain delusions doesn't mean they're not guilty.

@Animedingo

10 ай бұрын

@@thehangmansdaughter1120 but it feels wrong to take advantage of those delusions.

@MrSpikethefirst

6 ай бұрын

statistically it does actually! research shows that plea deals especially those that were in anyway coerced are the most likely to convict innocent people. @@thehangmansdaughter1120

@shockwave6213

5 ай бұрын

In this particular case, the lawyer could immediately file for a termination of the deal pending a psych evaluation and launch a formal complaint against the DA for knowingly abusing the suspect with his mental state.

they should've taken down that cult

@fruitpunch-mouth

10 ай бұрын

it's supposed to be scientology pun i think...

@susivarga7303

4 ай бұрын

Tom C would have been furious...

10:50 Anyone else creeped out by that guy? It's like an instinctual reaction.

Pretty sure what the ADA did in the end is illegal given he forced a deal under duress.

@studogable

10 ай бұрын

Yes. Ripe for appeal, especially right in front of the defense attorney.

@ThePokemonSoldier

10 ай бұрын

@@studogable Plus, the guy clearly is paranoid to the extent that he can't think clearly, so he easily could have been found not guilty by reason of insanity. But he had a point with Systemotics, given their 'rituals' of steaming babies alive and literally keeping tabs on 'opponents'. That organization is obviously a Scientology stand-in, and a lot of their activities can't possibly be legal even with freedom of religion.

@TheMan750

10 ай бұрын

@@studogablethe same defense attorney who used the same fear and paranoia tactic to try and get a mistrial

@shockwave6213

5 ай бұрын

​@@TheMan750That's what we call an effective defense attorney.

Your honor I move to delay the plea deal as my client has shown signs of paranoia and insanity... or something along these lines

Mr. Noodle started a cult? Lol

@joncarroll2040

10 ай бұрын

Well his Brother Mr Noodle was a Catholic monk who worked with Sister Mary Clarence😂

Before Arnold Rothstein was the crime boss, he was a defense attorney

@TheBatugan77

4 ай бұрын

And Mr. Conway was Eddie Collins. One of the White Sox Rothstein couldn't buy.

@andrewfalconer8599

Ай бұрын

AR like to gamble...in casinos, on the World Series, and (of course) in the courtroom.

Me: *Sees the title* "Can't it be both?"

"leave the gun, take the cupcakes"...

That plea agreement would never be honored by the court. Agreement through inappropriate psychological coercion? The judge would not only throw it out, he'd probably order an ethics investigation.

This case was very wierd in all facts, starting for the paranoic behaivor

Detective Bernard’s first case!

This episode is a gut punch. Especially when he finds Jacobs body. The actress who played Marilyn Nesbitt was fantastic.

How the hell is Cutter supposed to get away with tricking and intimidating the defendant into accepting a plea bargain?

McCoy: always ready to accuse anyone of anything ALso McCoy: Waaaaah, please don't make me go up against a cult. They might hurt me.

@shockwave6213

5 ай бұрын

Going after a religion of any sort without hard evidence of crimes is a very slippery slope.

@martakavaliauskaite4566

5 ай бұрын

​@@shockwave6213exactly Mccoy few times went after religion cults it never ended good it is verry problematic I remember in one law and order episode when they went after cult it was mess members for their leader commited suicide it was heartbreaking episode

@susivarga7303

4 ай бұрын

That's not what he said though....

Hey, Nicky Aycox! I've always loved her voice! RiP!

@Shasha-jo5iv

10 ай бұрын

OMG I didn't know Nicky is dead! That's awful!

@nataliee.parker2873

10 ай бұрын

@Shasha-jo5iv yeah, couple years ago of Leukemia, I think? Poor thing...

As more shorts I see I learn that probably the policemen and women planning evidence and violating fundamental rights learn it from this show. I have seen in the shorts, a police fabricating a case to send someone to jail, but the victim of the misconduct was really the worse of the worse and the policemen knew because of his infallible instincts. The prosecutors blackmailed the members of a law firm and forced them to act against the best interests of their client, and now this.

It Marked Anthony Anderson's Promoted to a Series Regular in Spring 2008 alongside Jeremy Sisto after Winter that Same Year are becoming Partners and Friendships.

Criminal intent please.

I guess bluffing solves a lot of problems

Meg from Supernatural

Cutter can get away with it because technically, everything he said was true. It was his tone of voice that made the Defendant take his words the way he did. Plus, it is a TV drama that takes liberties with legalities. It's funny how so many people are reacting like the guy really went to jail and was duped by a "real" Prosecuter😂.

This is so wrong of the cop to lie to the husband and use his diminished mental health to force him into a confession for something he didn't do

@susivarga7303

4 ай бұрын

What cop? Oh, and he did it.

How dare he!--they don't steam hotdogs in New York, they boil them in lukewarm toilet water for hours.

He just looks so peaceful

babies can't sweat though right? or is it shiver? one of these things is something i know babies can't do... i learned that from an episode of I shouldn't be alive.

@kevindolan9

10 ай бұрын

They can sweat but it takes 6 months of age at least for them to shiver

@fruitpunch-mouth

10 ай бұрын

thank u; dr kevin. 😆 i knew it was one thing.@@kevindolan9 you are, like dr phil, but for random facts from around the world.

Mr Noodles!

@jamesfracasse8178

10 ай бұрын

No not him 😮😢 2:01

@Henchman1977

10 ай бұрын

​@@jamesfracasse8178?

❤❤❤❤❤😢😢😢😢😢

Cults are so creepy

OG Meg from Supernatural may she rest in peace. ❤😢

12:01

sus mccoy doesnt wanna look into a cult

Pediatrician not baby dr. Why do the writers think we're dumb?

@chesneywhite9334

10 ай бұрын

The writers definitely don't think we're dumb. Baby Doctor instead of Pediatrician was likely just a slang term used., just like the casual "GSR" as shorthand for Gunshot Residue.

@marshaloiscamillephilpotts6406

9 ай бұрын

People call pediatricians baby doctors all the time and the writers knows what they were doing too.

Or maybe both

I can attest to that cupcakes cheer me up

Spoiler please

@susivarga7303

4 ай бұрын

Loser hubby did it.

Oh God, you're one of them! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

okay so DID the husnand actualluy shoot her or not?!? I need to know.

Oh the whool twist was so good jut when you think hes mentally ill a twist

I describe cults as religious wacko wannabe's.

# 460!!! 👍 WHOOOOOOOOO.... DOGGY!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘

is ''suicided'' even a word or were they trying to keep it pc?

@RomasKalash

5 ай бұрын

Yep. It’s a word.

@RocketRoketto

5 ай бұрын

@@RomasKalash no it's not

@RomasKalash

5 ай бұрын

@@RocketRoketto the Oxford Dictionary says it is a recognised word.

@TheBatugan77

4 ай бұрын

​@@RocketRoketto👈😠 Yes...it...IS!

@RocketRoketto

4 ай бұрын

@@TheBatugan77 it literally isn't baby. Don't come for me. Cause I didn't send for you

ik it’s literally the first shot and it’s a tv show, but seeing “gaza” on a fake art piece for even that split second in a show from the 90’s/00’s??? in 2024 that means so much. free palestine 🇵🇸

systemotics. Hahahaha

f;p

I am new to this show.But seeing this Cutter should go to jail for what he did.

@martakavaliauskaite4566

5 ай бұрын

He didn't break any laws police and dea can lie to suspects

in this episode jack admitted to being an atheist

@useyournoodle100

8 ай бұрын

and?

RIP Nicki Aycox. Her Meg was the best (in Supernatural)