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@MarkAhlquist

Жыл бұрын

Too humble by half. Thank for making these great videos.

@djolds1

Жыл бұрын

You are a lady and a scholar. One thousand years from now, our descendants will not bother reading the peer reviewed papers of academe, many of which are now akin to the monastic apologetics of the Medieval. However, they will review sources like this channel to learn what people actually knew and speculated. Overcoming difficulties only makes your work more impressive.

@terryrodbourn2793

Жыл бұрын

what about the Minoans on the volcano that disappeared with running water when Athens was backwater at the time! When Super Volcano on Thera went away in day went off taking the Minoans out!

@lucionvolkhvy

Жыл бұрын

I'm a nobody and I'm doing a lot of research on things like this so I welcome all view points proving in any direction I'm not sure if I do or don't believe in Atlantis but I do like to find the truth maybe hopefully you can cover in this series what some have called the eye of the Sahara, the Richat Structure. I'd like to pose also as Devil's advocate that maybe just maybe the mainstream "scholars" and "scientists" don't like to admit mankind was older than they want to admit because to do so they prove they have been lying to us about a LOT of things like for instance the ➡️theory⬅️ of evolution. No I'm not going to say aliens or some benevolent deity created us, but I am gonna say Gobekli Tepe does prove that before Stonehenge mankind did have technology that was lost and we still can't even do some of the things we know to be older than ourselves ... cough move a 900 ton stone with out breaking it cough! So I'm also hoping your thing of the Minoans being the progenitors of Europe is just kinda tongue in cheek I mean unless I misunderstood what you said there. Cause we know through archeology the pyramids are from at least the last ice age (no one should have argument with that statement I hope) we also know the denisovans we're in Europe WAAAY before even the neanderthal and that a HUGE amount of DNA shows them to have descendants even into the americas. Please understand I'm not a conspiracy believer I listen to everything that points in both directions and can see parallels and inconsistent so called facts, but when you discount oral traditions of aboriginal (or native if you will) cultures as unsubstantiated falsehoods you ignore a truth possibly staring you in the face like we do so often when the mainstream of things has shown us something. I mean to say for instance the Native Americans have maintained they were here during the last volcanic eruption but everyone in the mainstream said it's not possible because the last volcano erupted to long ago, then they go and find tools and jewelry here that IS old enough for that to be true and only a tiny little blurb is mentioned in any "peer-reviewed" article and then swept under the rug or the fact that Gobekli Tepe was obviously buried on purpose and the mainstream says oh well why haven't we found tools on sight, like come on folks if it was buried on purpose don't you think they cleared out any of that it's not like it was done in a rush it was buried ON PURPOSE! At some point does not common sense come into play? I'm just saying maybe look deeper into something than what's shown on the surface by people who have more reason to lie to you than tell you there were civilizations with technology that we don't want to believe was possible at the time. Too many actual professionals have gone and tried to cut those specific types of stone (for example) with the tools that supposedly could only have existed at the time and proved beyond a shadow of doubt it was NOT possible to do so in the time frame things supposedly happened in. I'm open for dialogue in a grown-up fashion can can point to sources of information that is very credible even if not mainstream.

@craigmusa2254

Жыл бұрын

@@lucionvolkhvy dude I read this entire response and tbh it sound like you're going down the conspiracy rabbit hole. Our ancestors were extremely smart and capable with the tech they had. There is no evidence for high tech like modern day electricity in the ancient world and never point to The Dandera light or Baghdad battery. The dandera depiction is the Egyptian creation story and the "battery" isn't a battery its a 5 inch lil pot that happens to put off a charger of almost 1 volt. Lest than one AA battery.

I have no problems with the idea of an ancient advanced civilization that we have little to no evidence of having existed. I don’t think that people really grasp what an ancient advanced civilization would have meant, however. If the Thera eruption partly inspired Plato, then “advanced civilization” could mean “able to forge iron”. If some of the older options are an inspiration, then it could even mean “able to make bronze tools”. With that borne in mind, I have no problems with the idea. However, it’s plainly obvious that Plato’s account is a morality play about the flaws of current society & the superiority of his Republic model. Regardless of whether or not he took inspiration from oral history or from Greek legendaria, he was not just relaying what he heard. It ain’t history, it’s just his story.

@grs6262

Жыл бұрын

Four and one half billion years is a long time.... many things can come and go, without trace, in a period of that degree? Point: a 'grain' of salt is recommended in most things.. BUT do not allow your grain to become a boulder.. just saying..

@anthonydo9401

Жыл бұрын

@@grs6262 huh

@stevelenores5637

Жыл бұрын

More evidence then you think. Aegean Sea once connected Greece to Asia Minor. Those City State Islands were at one time coastal communities that as the last ice age receded "sunk" beneath the waves of the Mediterranean. Atlantis was most like an island port inside a bay in the southwestern Iberian peninsula. There is a mud flats there at the present day that can't be excavated because it is a "wetland" area. For me this is 90% where Atlantis is today buried beneath the mud.

@theobolt250

Жыл бұрын

Telling a good story was a virtue to the Greeks of yore. A good example is Oddyseus. When there is a loud discussion among the leaders in the Camp (this Homer's Trojan War story) Odysseus is also VERY LOUD, so he could be heard above the cacophony of voices, but... his is a pleasant voice, a voice which also makes sense! So oratory capacity, being verbally dominant... that was a thing to be reckoned with. Especially when it made sense. Making a good clever yarn could go a long way. Such story telling... must be compelling. Factual? Neh... maybe?

@theobolt250

Жыл бұрын

@@stevelenores5637 it still does! 😜😂

The eruption of the volcano on Santorini would have done more than just tsunami damage. You would have had ash fall on the islands around it (depending on wind direction), and possibly some effect on climate in the years following (depending on just how much material was ejected into the mid and upper atmosphere). There would have been knock-on effects on fishing in the area, too. One of the things that always baffled me was the belief that Atlantis was some super-advanced civilization. Even if it had existed, it would have been advanced by the standards of Ancient Greece, not our modern standards. Such things as blown glass bottles or vases would have shocked the Greeks at the time. Multi-floored buildings using arches instead of pillars. Steel production. All of that would have seemed wondrous to the Greeks of the time.

@skepticscircle1497

Жыл бұрын

True. Many archeologists believe that the island of Santorini is the basis of the Atlantis story. There is another story claimed that a high priest in Egypt named Solon told him of Thera. Greeks were good for plagiarism. Look at Christianity. Greeks invented that.

@julietfischer5056

Жыл бұрын

Aside from the guff about the gods, nothing in Plato's description of Atlantis was beyond the capabilities of the Greeks of his day (or other urbanized, metal-using contemporary civilizations). Just needed the workforce, organization, and resources for such a massive project.

@julietfischer5056

Жыл бұрын

@@skepticscircle1497- Yeah: Plato recorded Critias saying Solon got the account from Egyptian priests.

@JAG8691

Жыл бұрын

That is what Spyridon Marinatus proposed and he wasn't of low intellect.

@julietfischer5056

Жыл бұрын

@@bobjohn8581- Why the need for mutants?

I love the myth of Atlantis, very interesting to learn about the actual history of the story

@mayamagical3863

Жыл бұрын

@bobalooby sunshine Not to be rude, but can you explain your evidence about Atlantis affecting our daily life , generally interested.

@UnicornsPoopRainbows

Жыл бұрын

@bobalooby sunshine Okay, but what evidence do you have for this claim that goes against every academic source I've read? It would be amazing to find out Atlantis was will.

@mayamagical3863

Жыл бұрын

@bobalooby sunshine ok thanks for giving your point of view.

@ethangrant8736

Жыл бұрын

@bobalooby sunshine please this is so funny?

@travissharon1536

Жыл бұрын

@Maya Magical I wonder what bobalooby said, he either deleted his comment or it is hidden.

I used to think most people were rational, with a minority of tin-foil-hat eccentrics. But with the rise of the internet I realize most people believe things that barely intersect with reality at all. It's kind of depressing. But it certainly provides an opportunity for excellent history videos like this one.

@CinziaDuBois

Жыл бұрын

don’t look into the comments of the video. you’ll be surprised how many tin foil hats are here already 🤦🏻‍♀️

@colonelweird

Жыл бұрын

@@CinziaDuBois I noticed, lol. They started even before they could have watched the video.

@whssy

Жыл бұрын

Bear in mind that (calculated as a mean) more than half of people are inevitably of below average intelligence - and consider how smart a person of average intelligence is. Depressing, isn't it?

@colonelweird

Жыл бұрын

@@whssy Well, I don't think intelligence is the issue at all. It's a question of what one does with one's ability to think, so it's really a moral question. Smart, educated people often lead the world into the worst disasters. Or take a look at the KZread channel of Daniel Bonevac, a philosophy professor. Listen to some of his lectures -- he's very smart, very talented, and he knows what he's talking about. But he's also a Donald Trump fan; he completely accepts the far right hatred of "liberals". I know a lot of people like this. It's very strange, and very disturbing. So it's tempting to think these people just don't have the ability to know any better. But I don't think that could be the case. Sorry if I'm ranting, but it's a subject I've been worrying about for a long time.

@rachelruru6416

Жыл бұрын

Lol this comment is wonderful!!

A few years ago, I saw some half-baked show on either the Discovery Channel or the History Channel which implied that Atlantis might have been real--and if someone made a show about it, you can bet that many of my fellow Americans believe it's factual. The sad thing is, channels like Discovery and the History Channel used to have informative programming in the 80's and 90's; over the years they've gotten more and more desperate for ratings, however, and the programs they produce have gotten dumber and dumber as they've struggled to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Where they once showed Mutual of Omaha wildlife specials and things of that sort, they now produce things like Ancient Aliens and Pawn Stars--not the most educational fare.

@williammcguinness6664

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget monster hunter's, dar she goes, dar she goes. Those fat gets couldn't catch a cold

@SlackerLife0

Жыл бұрын

Your comment reminded me of the mermaid "documentary" that came out about a decade ago. If the history/discovery channels part anything it gets taken seriously.

@TotallyNotRedneckYall

Жыл бұрын

@@SlackerLife0 I had coworkers (carpenters) who ate that mermaid "documentary" hook, line and sinker. It was beyond depressing.

@laynemartin7914

Жыл бұрын

I was the generation that got duped because I was a child in the 90s so believed history Channel was true then in the 00s I was a teen and thought I could trust them as they went on their conspiracy and alien bender, then became an adult in the late 00s and critical thi king caused me to have to rethink my teens... not everyone does that

@chrisbarriere101

Жыл бұрын

Its called the Richat Structure. It is located on the edge of the Atlas Mountains in Muritania. Plato did not imply through his description that Atlantis was technologically advanced, just socially advanced...

I've long subscribed to Atlantis being a fictionalised version of Thera, where yes, they were a civilisation with some technology, they just weren't advanced compared to us. They may have been advanced as compared to some contemporary civilisations, though, not so sure about that. The island was effectively destroyed, making it look like most of sank beneath the waves, other than what could have been part of a 'concentric ring'.

@brianaschmidt910

Жыл бұрын

I saw a documentary by James Cameron that made a pretty compelling case for Atlantis being underneath modern day Doñana Spain as the ancient city of Tartessos. There was a reason they couldn't excavate, I'm not sure what it is, but I think it has something to do with the area being wetlands now

@alenasenie6928

Жыл бұрын

I think that the myths of Atlantis and Mu or Lemuria are the same place, also known as "the new world", there was a bridge, it melted, pass down by generations of oral tradition, there was a continent that could be reached, now it can't be reached, what they see is an ocean where before it was the bridge, so it is not there anymore and there is an ocean instead, they knew the world was round, so, the east for the eastern countries, meaning a place in the Pacific, Mu or Lemuria, and the west for the western countries, meaning a place in the Atlantic, or Atlantis, this is a surface reading but it is what makes sense for me, exaggeration for when it was beginning and they knew people were there, in a continent that was unreachable and that they somehow were able to go make them seem like advanced civilizations for them, then when they wonder where that continent went the sunken civilization story could begin, it is still oral tradition, by the time we get written language those myths can stop mutating and get somewhat more permanent. I don't study this but the myths are always like that, with some truth, the ice Giants of Nordic gods, glaciers, the god Ra is literally the Sun, and so on, is always like that, even the myth of the christian god, there are christian that don't believe in an all powerful god, because they read the myth as that, and what does god represents there? Your own consciousness, the spark of knowledge, because, in the words of my aunt, a Catholic that doesn't believe in god as a being, "god, in the original language, meant light, referring to our ability to think", she says that as a Catholic teacher in a Catholic school. If you read it as philosophy there are a few things that can be salvaged from religions, even the ones that have committed such horrific acts. No philosophy that I know of is completely right or completely wrong.

@allangibson2408

Жыл бұрын

The Santorini Eruption left a continuous caldera rim around Thera. The volcano has a long history of building an island in the centre of the vent and then distributing the material over the rest of the planet. The most recent eruption (at around 1600BC) put 14km3 into the atmosphere. The inhabitants of Akrotiri on Thera in 1600BC had a lifestyle on par with Pompeii a millennium and a half later based on finds and art found on site. The residents apparently evacuated quite completely before the explosive eruptions based on the complete lack bodies and portable personal possessions.

@robinduffy6690

Жыл бұрын

@@allangibson2408 Hi ! I went for a sail within the caldera a couple of years ago and did a mental estimate and came up with about 18km3, but i was told by a Greek friend it was much larger than that about 24km3, sounds like it was a very big Bang .

@SamSphinx

Жыл бұрын

I visited the Akrotiri site in Santorini and hell, they were Bronze Age but they looked ROMAN as far as advancements.

I found your channel a couple days ago Cinzia, and I’ve been ravenously consuming your content ever since! Feeling a little FOMO that your channel was just sitting here, with such brilliantly informative, and perfectly delivered ✨brain nourishment✨ and I was the last to hear about it! So, believe me, I was shocked when you introduced your one-hundred-thousand subscriber plaque! You DEFINITELY have earned it, especially when you spoke of how long you’ve persisted… and I predict, nay, DEMAND!, a million subscriber plaque sent your way sooner rather than later ! You’re the most underrated content creator I follow and I’ve shared your videos too all my like minded friends x I hope all the best for you and can’t wait to see anything and everything you share with us 💖

Classic student here! What most of my teachers seem to agree on is that the destruction of Thera and the calamities that followed contributed to the decline of the minoans, but this decline was a very long process that most likely also included Mycenean raids along the coast and social unrest

@allangibson2408

Жыл бұрын

The “Sea People” raids ended civilisation in the northern Mediterranean for a half century. The written language of in Minoans (Linear A) vanished with the Thera eruption and was replaced by Greek based (Linear B) that in turn vanished with the Bronze Age collapse in 1200BC. Literacy reappeared in with a completely new alphabet derived from Phoenician in about 900BC.

@TheBeakersDream

Жыл бұрын

@@allangibson2408 Although the Sea Peoples are really cool, it is important not to give them the props for bringing the Bronze Age to an end as there were numerous contributing factors to the various Mediterranean civilizations decline and collapse.

I was so fascinated with Ancient underwater civilizations as a kid because of Atlantis that I did a whole research paper on Pavlopetri when I was in College, it was great! Edit: I don't believe Atlantis is real, I just liked the idea of underwater cities when I was a kid lol.

@gustavoboscardin9351

Жыл бұрын

[Insert reality is often dissapoing meme] 😂

@fdpcompdm

Жыл бұрын

NO ONE cares that you don't believe in Atlantis.

@itsaUSBline

Жыл бұрын

@@fdpcompdm I care, therefore your statement is false.

@joudyyasser8627

Жыл бұрын

@@fdpcompdm I care

@alenasenie6928

Жыл бұрын

@@fdpcompdm it was literally asked

So I just wanted to comment and say congratulations on making over 100,000 subscribers! Also it’s such a shame it took this long because you have what I consider, to be a unique voice and incredibly knowledgeable. You deserve so much more and I hope for continued growth for your channel! I am new here, but I am enthralled by how captivating you are with your knowledge of mythology. Carry on :).

You were just ahead of your time! Long form essay style content is super popular right now, so happy that you're getting the recognition you deserve 💜 Love all the information, and I think vid length is perfect.

Well researched and very interesting. Thank you so much for not falling into the fantasy aspect that historical subjects so often do. I just found your channel. I love it!

Did the Minoans have any flood mythology before their demise? It would be interesting to view a "heat map" of flood myths across the Mediterranean, cross-referenced with a timeline and cultural connections. Great video, Lady Cinzia. What is the earliest critique of Plato's story ?

@starcapture3040

Жыл бұрын

their language is still not deciphered

@DneilB007

Жыл бұрын

We don’t know specifically about the Minoans (as Star Capture points out, we still haven’t deciphered their writing); but we do know that the Greeks had several flood myths. The thing is, there are so many catastrophic prehistoric floods that we know about that it’s really difficult to point to one and say, ‘that’s the inspiration for the flood myths.’ From a catastrophic ice-dam failure that caused the Bretz floods to the sinking of Doggerland to a 2003 flooding on Ellesmere Island to the 1994 catastrophe in Bhutan or the 2000 flooding in the Tibetan plateau, sudden catastrophic flooding is a real-world danger to many people (increasingly so due to global climate changes). This has been a danger that we as a species have dealt with for pretty much our entire existence. Nearly every agricultural society began in a floodplain (due to the rich soils), which placed them at risk of a catastrophic flood-especially as we entered into the current interglacial period and massive glaciers formed equally massive glacial lakes. Look up Glacial Lake Outburst Floods (GLOF) for more information. ✌️

@andy2950

Жыл бұрын

@DneilB007 Thanks for that 👍 Have the linguistics experts narrowed down its antecedents? What is the best source for contemporaneous accounts of Minoan culture? I haven't read Herodotus since school and can't remember if he covered them.

@starcapture3040

Жыл бұрын

@@andy2950 Hmmm Minoan culture wasn't even called Minoan this is a mythological name, not their name they were called the Kaftu people. we have some information about them from Egypt but that is it. what we know about them comes from archeology only. at time of Herodotus they were all gone as civilization. the best entry into them is Bettany houghs documentary about them called the Minotaur its on youtube free to watch.

@andy2950

Жыл бұрын

@@starcapture3040 Cheers! I knew that they predated Herodotus, but he did like an old tale or two. 😊

Congratz on the milestone! And thanks so much for putting this all together. Looking forward to the next part(s)!

I’m looking forward to more of this series! Great work, as always, Cinzia.

Hello Cinzia. I have been fascinated,surprised and educated, all in equel measure by your past content, I have watched over the last two weeks. Your content regarding some of your struggles moved me deeply. As an elderly man who had a very poor state education who is voraciousy consuming educational content now , also books, I was reminded starkly how for many years I had many the same issues until I was advised about my traits and their meaning on the spectrum . Auto-Didactic , Compulsive journeys, Hyper activity. Crash and Burn days. Misreading the actions and intentions of others, poor responses to brutal and harmfull medications. Thousands of voices in a quiet room. I take comfort in the emerging evidence that people like myself are a couple of steps further up the evolutionary ladder. One of my coping strategies is learning an instrument{ Electric Bass, Cello}, BOTH POORLY!!!. One of the others has proven of great benefit. Learning Breathing Exercises and do them twice a day {morn.evening}. Please look after yourself. You are enormously valued to many people . Yours Very Sincerely. Peter.

Congrats on 100k! And I'd love more parts to this series, I've already learned so much from just this video. Biblical history is a topic I'm super interested in recently, so the part about the basis for the plagues sounds cool

@CinziaDuBois

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

@cozmothemagician7243

Жыл бұрын

"Biblical history" two words that really don't go together.

@ginime_

Жыл бұрын

@@cozmothemagician7243 I’m talking about what researchers/historians have to say about what the Bible describes. Like how and why parts of Jesus’s (the actual person) life got retconned over time.

:) Congrats on getting the YT plaque you most definitely deserve it!!! Keep up the entertaining and thought provoking content!

Your excitement at the beginning of this video is awesome. I'm Australian and used to large displays of excitement and seeing it so contained was interesting and in no way any less delightful. Congratulations!

A survey asking about "ancient advanced civilisation such as Atlantis" - I would answer yes, probably. We have recently discovered towns and temples from over 11 000 years ago such as Gobekli Tepe. There are likely many civilisations we don't know about yet. I actually like the theory that Atlantis was in Mauritania, the Eye of Sahara formation (Richat structure). Look it up on a map.

@DneilB007

Жыл бұрын

The biggest problem with the Richat Structure is that the concentric rings go up, like a terrace, and not down, like a dike or moat. There’s lots of photos of the structure online; just look at it from a low angle and you’ll see that there’s no way that it could be the remnants of something like what Plato described. We might eventually find evidence of habitation there, but it would be demeaning to any past occupants if we let someone from a different culture in a different part of the world define who they were instead of letting their own physical culture tell us about themselves.

@petrmaly9087

Жыл бұрын

@@DneilB007 You can't expect the ditches to be as deep because of sediments and the slope is not that extreme. Pretty much all the geography fits, including the position of the mountain range and color scheme of the rocks. We did find evidence of habitation there from different era, but there was little to no archeological research done there so we know pretty much nothing so far. Keep in mind that Troy itself was considered a complete myth until a businessman who fell in love with the story of it discovered the city.

@sherylleelee

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@tatianaoliveira2191

4 ай бұрын

​​​@@petrmaly9087 Plus, there's also proof that the ''Richat Structure'' was at one point under water. ... ▪︎ Also, its location alignes with Herodotus 's map (in 430 B.C.) ▪︎ There's an area on the map named ''Atlantes'' and it’s located in what appears to be modern-day Mauritania ▪︎ Roman geographer, Pomponius Mela 's map just so happens to annotate “Atlantae” in the SAME geographical location as the ''Richat Structure''. .... So everything lines up with that theory

There is one mention of the name of Atlantis that predates Plato. In the Oxyrhynchus Papyri fragment 11 a poem by Hellanicus of Lesbos is preserved

@gabriellima7900

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, but Hellanicus' poem is probably about the daughters of the titan Atlas.

Thank you for another informative and interesting dissertation! I really enjoy your voice which makes listening a joy. I hope you are able to continue for a long time to come! ❤

I absolutely loved this, it's incredible to listen to you talk, I know very little about history but I'm willing to take your every word as an absolute fact. Hyped up to see the rest of the series!

@CinziaDuBois

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Love this - especially the dates of civilizations and potential overlap of storytellers. It does feel more like a morality fable than reality, similar to our current depictions for future utopias plagued by recognizable themes and flaws. Can't wait for Part 2!

If Atlantis doesn't exist then where does Aquaman live? Checkmate.

@goosewithagibus

Жыл бұрын

epic own

I’ve never clicked so fast, thank you Cinzia for blessing us with content on this day ❤️❤️❤️

I believe the Atlanteans battling Athenians may have been fable, but sea levels 9,600 years ago expose tons of land mass in the middle of the Atlantic. There was a significant sea level rise at the end of the Younger Dryas that is starting to be legitimately explained. Not to mention the stories make note of the Americas and the Pacific, long before we were even aware of them. They were on to more than we’re giving them credit for.

I'm very curios to understand your motivation for plouging through KZread for 12 years... love your work... thanks

@CinziaDuBois

Жыл бұрын

I must just like making videos more than even I knew I did 😅 thank you x

As a kid, I was heavy into that Atlantis stuff, I read Däniken and Berlitz, it all seemed to make sense, but as I learned more about archaeology, it turned out how full of bs the whole Atlantis stuff is, just a way for pseudoscience to make a quick buck

@CaptCKernel

Жыл бұрын

Same. Could Indo-Europeans have been around at the turn of the ice age? Of course. Could those stories somehow make their way into our collective culture? Absolutely. Does this mean there was even a semi-advanced civilization that was lost? Hell no.

@fighterx4133

Жыл бұрын

​@@CaptCKernel what do you mean by semi advanced?

@CaptCKernel

Жыл бұрын

@@fighterx4133 not strictly subsistence hunter-gatherers, aspects of culture/religion, a language,maybe even a super super super super basic counting or writing system.

@CaptCKernel

Жыл бұрын

Apologies misread your question and my own statement lol. I would say that they would have to be strictly more advanced than the examples I gave to be "semi advanced" for that period

@fighterx4133

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptCKernel what is your opinion on globekli tepe? Seems it was far more than hunter gatherer with aspects of religion. There is far more to uncover on both globekli and karahan tepe. Both semi advanced civilizations that date back 11,000 years that seemingly just vanished to our knowledge. Both buried purposely under gravel. Granted it isn't due to massive flood but both sites kind of prove an exception to your stance. Both show stationary dwellings, high level stone work and complex laid out planning.

Thanks so much for this video! I've been looking for ages for a video about Atlantis from the classical perspective that solely relies on what is actually known from Plato's report. You surely spent a lot time and effort for research and I highly appreciate it!

This video is great! You really hooked me in till the very end with your great storytelling!

As an American, I love Atlantis and watch, read everything about it. I know its not real and never was, but I love it all the same. What makes Atlantis popular is that its a One Size Fits all idea. You can use it for anything and Boom it works. Be it good or bad doesn't matter in the slightest, its the perfect vehicle to get your story where it needs to be. I also love lost civilizations and sunken underwater cities. I am one of those, and I will freely admit it here to all of you good people, I do believe there was or could have been an "advanced" HUMAN civilization that goes back much further into the past then history is currently willing to accept. But that was not Atlantis. I do own Donnelly's book, its a good read but total BS. On a total side note there is the Richat Structure in Mauritania, which people, of course, are saying is Atlantis. Now whether it is or not, if freaking cool!!!!

@Mortismors

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Considering that the age of Homosapiens is being pushed back past 300,000 years ago, it'd be pure ego to think we are the only advanced civilization in that time frame. We could have blown ourselves up multiple times since then.

@music79075

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@@Mortismors i pretty much expect to find out that that's the case sometime in my lifetime

@anonthehousemouse

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The only way for anything made by humans to last more than a few hundred years (without being tended to by humans, or being preserved with modern technology) is for it to be built out of stone, like the pyramids of Egypt and Mexico. If something was built of mud brick, or wood? Eventually all traces of it would be wiped away by the passage of time. So if some ancient civilization didn't use stone? It's very possible we wouldn't know it existed except by stumbling on something by pure luck. That said, the Richat Structure would have last been inhabitable about 6 thousand years ago when the Sahara was still green. The use of irrigation canals may have extended it's habitability somewhat. Currently, all evidence point to the area being inhabited by semi-nomadic hunter-gatherers at the time.

Please, please do the rest of this series. Asides from being fun (and disheartening as an American (knowing how many buy into the notion that Atlantis is real), its also a very necessary way to spread crucial information debunking it and hopefully course correct years and years of teachings of pseudoscience, psuedohistory, eugenics, nazism and a whole other group of misinformation that has in very subtle ways affect social history today. Psuedo-history (is that the right word?) has a dark dark history in the United States as well.. Before Ignatius Donnelly came about and write: "Atlantis : the antediluvian world" in 1882, around the 1820s-30s, one of the justifications then President Andrew Jackson gave in removing Native Americans from their land in the Ohio an Mississippi River Valleys (The Trail of Tears), was that the Native American mounds found in those regions (which were already recorded by the 1790s as being made by Native American tribes long ago, by Thomas Jefferson no less), were actually made by an ancient tribe of civilized people, who were then wiped out by "savages" (referring to the Native Americans in those regions). He added that the Native Americans must be expelled from the land to allow the "civilized" people reclaim it and occupy it. As stated in his 1830 address to congress: "...In the monuments and fortresses of an unknown people, spread over the extensive regions of the West, we behold the memorials of a once powerful race, which was exterminated or has disappeared to make room for the existing savage tribes. Nor is there anything in this which, upon a comprehensive view of the general interests of the human race, is to be regretted. Philanthropy could not wish to see this continent restored to the condition in which it was found by our forefathers. What good man would prefer a country covered with forests and ranged by a few thousand savages to our extensive Republic, studded with cities, towns, and prosperous farms, embellished with all the improvements which art can devise or industry execute, occupied by more than 12,000,000 happy people, and filled with all the blessings of liberty, civilization, and religion?" Source: Second Annual Message, December 6, 1830, in James Richardson, ed., Messages and Papers of the Presidents (New York, n.d.), Vol. III, 1082-85. Psuedoscience, and Psuedo history is as American as Apple Pie, and frankly, that pie has been rotten to its core since the beginning. These kinds of videos are the first step in rectifying it.

@yoeyyoey8937

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This is why to this day, native Americans pretty much exclude archeologists from doing research

@ishmaelforester9825

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That's actually really noble for what it's worth. I mean most people are deluded. At least he wasn't a pussy.

@str.77

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The justification Jackson is not enough to justify his policies. Just because A displaced B doesn't give C the right to displace A. Nevertheless, Jackson's statement is not pseudoscience as Native Americans frequently waged war on each other and displaced each other.

Congratulations on the plaque; it was well-deserved. Please continue this series, as this video was incredibly interesting! ✌️

@CinziaDuBois

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Thank you! Will do!

I could listen to this channel all day, and sometimes I do. I let the videos play back-to-back because her voice is so soothing, and she tells a great story. I don't have anything to add about the topic at hand. This comment is just for the algorithm.

Yay! it's always awesome to see a fellow dyslexic in the classical field! Congrats on the plaque, it's well deserved. I really love watching your videos, they are informative and entertaining.

@CinziaDuBois

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Thank you so much!!

Hey as an American I think that the Americans in the study might not actually think Atlanta’s is real (I.e. not believe in the conspiracy). From my experience (which obviously has its biases) people who “believe” in advanced ancient civilizations usually think that it is just possible but not probable. Though maybe I am just sheltered and America really does believe Atlantis is real.

@bean0329

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I also interpreted the 57% as people believing that any advanced civilization could have once existed, and atlantis is just an example being used, not that 57% of people believe in atlantis specifically. To be fair though, I think "advanced civilization" is a phrase that could be interpreted as anything from the actual ancient Egyptian and Greek cities, to a civilization with flying vehicles dated 2000 years ago

@jayliezambella

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I think, sadly, that 57% of Americans do believe an actual Atlantis does exist. The number of ppl that believe in the creation story, literally, in genesis is at a disturbing 40%. As well, the lack of education we truly have here and it's only getting worse bc of ppl refusing to accept new information we have gained thro archaeology and science. The increase of antivax 50% of Americans said they wouldn't get a vax. American consciousness is in the decline and Christian fascism/"alternative" beliefs r on the rise.

@demonic_myst4503

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america had a documentry on it in the 80-90s which made many believe in it

@pigeonsareugly

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Yeah I don't think Atlanta's real, there's no way Georgia exists

@marciamartins1992

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I believe it might be real. The reason being is those oh so straight edges on those ancient walls and tombs. We have a very egocentric sense of time in the grand scheme of things we are like bugs with tiny lifespans and it affects our perception.

Not even a minute here, but I love your voice! And congratulation for the silver button, even I didn't support you yet. You get a new subs from another side of the world~

I love your videos!! This topic is especially interesting, thank you for producing high quality content 😊👍

@CinziaDuBois

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Glad you enjoy it!

Ah, Atlantis, a tale about why Greeks are the best turned popular fantasy

It's so wild to me to hear you give this pretty straightforward series of arguments from archeology and geology, and there are still a few people in the comments absolutely refusing to hear it

Recently stumbled upon your channel. Loving it, great video, and congrats on the achievement!

@CinziaDuBois

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Awesome, thank you!

I’ve been waiting for this video ever since you mentioned it being in the works!! 🎉

Yeah…I’m gonna need more in this series…

Atlantis is the perfect text to prove people didn't read the original dialogue. The shit Plato wrote is such an on the nose allegory that you would need to be purposely obtuse or ignorant to even consider that thing anything more that Plato trying to exalt Athens.

I’m just happy to find someone who’s nice to listen to, talk about this stuff.

I’m a newer subscriber but already enjoying so many of your videos - congrats on the award!!

Thank you so much for this video. It has come at a time when I was just about to begin studying the subject of Atlantis. I support a Spanish-speaking skeptical blog, and often people ask me questions about certain subjects. I'm also very thankful for providing your sources. They are valuable. I just wish to comment a bit about the Santorini-hypothesis of the Exodus. Although this idea has been proposed by some archaeologists, as you correctly state in the video, it should be qualified in light of current text criticism of the Hebrew Bible. The hypothesis was popularized by a known documentary called _Exodus Decoded_ by James Cameron and Simcha Jacobovici, a known documentary producer, backed by the History Channel and Discovery (this last detail already tells us that we should take the documentary's claims with a grain of salt). In it, they put forward the discoveries made by archaeologists regarding the effects of the Santorini explosion on Egypt, and advanced a theory on the Exodus. Unfortunately, to the irritation of text critics, some things essential to these discussions are missing. Since the 19th century, text critics have proposed what we now call the Documentary Hypothesis, which is based on the undeniable fact (from the critical examination of the Torah) that these sorts of stories were made by different hands. Today, the Documentary Hypothesis is no longer the consensus of the experts, although it has been hard to form a consensus around any of the alternative hypotheses. Yet, all of them still recognize the rock-solid fact that Genesis, Exodus, and the other books of the Torah, are basically a compilation of stories by different authors at different times. For simplicity's sake, I will keep using the Documentary Hypothesis (as I am still convinced of it, although evidence suggests it needs a much more nuanced modification). Many experts agree that many of the stories were made up on the spot, as the writers were doing their activity, while others indicate “building” traditions on earlier ones. We can identify at least four basic groups of sources in the order of composition: the Yahwist source (J), the Elohist (E) source, the Deuteronomical source (D), and the Priestly source (P). The famous “story” of the plagues (Exodus 7-12) is basically composed by two sets of sources: E and P. The first one (E) is thought to be authored by a group of Levites that held Shilo as the center of worship in the north of the Levant (Palestine), in the Kingdom of Israel. The second one (P) was developed by Levites of the South (in the Kingdom of Judah) and formed the Aaronid dynasty (i.e., supposedly Aaron's descendants, Aaron being presumably Moses' brother). It is very likely that P authors used E to develop their own story of the plagues as an alternative. Yet, after the return of the priestly elite from Persia to Jerusalem, it is probably then that an Aaronid priest (most likely Ezra) fused all of these traditions (including P and E) in the basic text that we have today. So, what we have is a _mix_ of two different stories of the plagues, centuries apart from each other. It is obvious to many that both editors (E and P) were acquainted with Egyptian realities and culture. Yet, even in the case of E, said to be composed more or less by the 8th century BCE, it is centuries away from the supposed occurrence of the Exodus, during the 13th century. Needless to say that this is _further_ away in time from Santorini's explosion ca. 1600 BCE! If you want to know which plague corresponds to E or P, just ask yourself these questions at the beginning of each plague: “Is God talking to Moses alone?” or “Is Moses himself doing the miraculous stuff?”, in which case the text would be E; or “Is God talking to Moses _and_ Aaron?” or “Is God telling Moses to tell Aaron?”, or “Is Aaron doing that?” then that text is P. This should make us wary about understanding the plagues of Egypt as the result of Santorini's explosion: our first source of the plagues is at least four to five centuries _after_ the supposed “Exodus”, or seven centuries after Santorini's explosion, and the second story (P) is even centuries _later_ ; the second thing to keep in mind, is that “the story” of the plagues is no such thing, it is a _mix_ of stories, following their own respective sequences: E and P are dramatically different; third, P's sequence of events is inspired by E, but elaborated as an alternative to E, so it is even _less_ historical. This means that none of these stories are historically reliable to pin down to the time of Santorini's explosion. I don't say all of this to diminish the rest of the fantastic and brilliant exposition you made in this video. I'm just pointing out the problems with the Santorini-hypothesis of the plagues. Furthermore, I wish you the best in everything you do. Your videos are high quality, and I will keep promoting them. I'm sorry that I only arrived now and became aware of them recently.

@CinziaDuBois

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thanks so much for sharing all of this!! it was super interesting to read!

I would love a video about that Shakespeare theory 😄

Love this and thanks for being so thorough in your research!❤️

@CinziaDuBois

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You are so welcome!

Well done, you deserve the award your YT channel is brilliant

I absolutely believe the story is true. Critias (the man who essentially tells the story) even insists that it is a true story, no matter how crazy or incredible it sounds. In the story it is estimated that the destruction of Altantis happened at around 11,500 bc. Falling exactly on the time at the end of the younger dryas period. Which saw massive regional flooding from the melting of the glaciers and ice caps from the mini ice age. So absolutely there were huge natural disasters at that time. And No, I don't believe the story has anything to do with the destruction of Thera. As the date, location and many other details do not match in the slightest. I would argue that the story is unfinished because it simply is the translation of Solons original poem that he was writing that he never finished as stated by Plato through Critias.

@CinziaDuBois

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Would you like to explain to us how Plato/Critias dated the Atlantis event to 9000 years considering written language wasn't invented until 6000 years after the supposed event took place and then it wasn't documented by anyone until another 3000+ years after writing was invented? What evidence did they have about an event that took place 9000 years before them without any archaeological skills, carbon dating or written documentation. Also, what poem are you discussing? Fragments of Solon's poems have survived, but not a single one contains a reference to the Atlantis tale. Where have you discovered this fragment?

@funkyfiss

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@@CinziaDuBois It says it all in Platos Critias. In the story it says Critias says he heard the story of Atlantis from his grandfather, who had heard it from the Athenian statesman Solon (300 years before Plato’s time), who had learned it from an Egyptian priest, who said it had happened 9,000 years before that. If you take the time difference between now and that time refference, the date lands somewhere around 11500 bc. As you stated in your video that these people were all actual historic people. Which means that what Plato writes wasnt just made up. It's based on the actual words that they said. Only modern scholars have come up with this theory that these were characters of Plato's fantasy. All ancient people insist that these people were real and this is what th said. All ancient historians that covered Plato didn't say any of these theories. We know that Plato did take notes during his partaking in these long dialogue sessions with his colleagues as ancient historians such as Quintilian (Inst. 8 6.64) and Diogenes Laertius (3.37), said as such and used wax blocks for writing short hand which he would later transcribe onto papyrus. Anyway, This is the time period of the end of the younger dryas period. Which we know through geological and archeological findings was a time period of enormous environmental destruction that included earthquakes and masive regional flooding all across the northern hemisphere. In the Deucalion flood myth which I personally believe is an ancestral memory of this time period preserved in mythology it talks about the waters coming up so high they reached mouth Olympus. Even in the Altantis story it says that everything was completely obliterated. In all flood myth stories across the world talk about huge cities that existed before this cataclysmic event. From Babylon, india ect. So there is little to find from this time period and before because everything was washed away, when the waters subsided allot was dragged back into the ocean. It wasnt until very recently that sites like gobleki tepe was found that dates back to this time. So hopefully we will he uncovering more soon about this time period. Also underwater archaeology is also a relatively new field so we have to wait for that to happen too. I personally also believe that eye of the Sahara (Richat structure) theory is probably more of a better match for the Atlantis location. This obviously was a dark period where humanity was "reset" you could say. At least that's what all the stories say. Stories which span the globe that all share the same theme. It's a shame that the Temple of Neith in Sais Egypt doesn't exist anymore and was destroyed. Because that is where Solon got his information from. There is the temple of Edfu in Egypt that has survived and from that we have the a similar story of an island being destroyed. Many have theories also that the sphinx is also much older and dates back before 11,500 bc which would answer why there is so much water damage and erosion from water on the Sphinx. Although by themselves they are not concrete together they paint a picture of what humanity went through at this time period. I personally believe the people that thought these stories were so important to them that they passed the down for hundreds of generations. Because obviously there is some truth behind it.

@funkyfiss

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@@CinziaDuBois The poem is the retelling of Atlantis. In the story it says when Solon come back from Egypt he is ready to give an oral retelling and write the epic poem about it. But Critias says he never finished.

@fdpcompdm

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@@funkyfiss That's too much for her, she's a basic person. Even though she is the Library lady she doesn't posses the intelectual capacity to go deeper. She already made her mind and she's not open to any other information besides the limited point of view that she's already made and the proof of that is in the new video lool

@funkyfiss

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@@fdpcompdm Well as an ancient Greek enthusiast I would also consider myself a library lady also. It pains me that allot of these videos about Plato and his works don't actually read the story and all the words he wrote. They continue to parrot these modern scholars theories about Plato that it was all just made up (theories which in my opinion have no proof or any real grounds as evidence), while completely disregarding the plethora of ancient people that covered Plato, Socrates and the other historic figures and what they actually wrote about them. Till this day Plato has never been proven wrong on anything he has written. Historically or in Philosophy and still 2000 years later is relevant to humanity. Plato is very very spacific on the location of Atlantis and gave us many examples to describe the island and its location. However I can't be mad, most people when they cover Atlantis first try to associate it with the Minoans. Because it was an island kingdom that was destroyed and several of the descriptions do fit. However many of them don't fit at all with the destruction of thera. Like the lack of gold and precious metals on Saintorini today, no elephants, the size of the island doesn't fit, its location, the description of the shape, the date ect... I personally believe that the Minoans were the Hyksos. As the date of their arrival in Egypt coincides perfectly with the eruption at Thera. Mantheo who writes about the arrival of the Hyksos says "they came with a blast from god". To me this evident of a real event. They were also polytheistic as were the Minoans, wore brightly coloured clothes like the Minoans, we find minoan frescoes all around the capital of the Hyksos in Egypt, we know now the Minoans also had horses and chariots at that time too, the name Hyksos literally mean "rulers (plural) from foreign lands" which to me is also evidence that it was the Minoans. We also have found a plaque with the name of a Hyksos king Kyan on Crete. They were a federation of people who had kings on each island and large settlements. We know that the island of Santorini and neighbouring islands evacuated before the volcanic eruption. As houses that have been found there were abandoned and sealed up, we also have found no bodies from that event like we have in Pompeii for example of people stuck in a sudden volcanic event. So where did they go? My guess is that many (not all) made it all the way to Egypt. As the evidence would suggest.

As a lover of fiction I always look at the Atlantis theories as intriguing alternative reality possibilities…

I really do love the research you do in all your videos! Much respect!

@CinziaDuBois

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I appreciate that!

Congratulations on the award! I just discovered your channel and it’s fascinating.

@CinziaDuBois

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Thank you so much!

From what I can tell Atlantis was not real it was allegory. Now it's a good chance it was based off of the destruction of the Minoan civilization.

Atun-Shei Films did a very good video on the influence of Ignatius Donnelly's Atlantis "theory" on modern day conspiracy theories.

Excellent as usual! I always look forward to your videos.

@CinziaDuBois

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Glad you like them!

I love your videos and what you are taking about. I can listen to your voice reading names from the address book and it would make my day. Keep up the great work!

That is an incredibly loosey goosey interpretation of that survey data, imo. That question doesn’t specify that they believe in Atlantis, just a city like Atlantis. This means that it is up to their interpretation of what Atlantis is. This could easily just be interpreted as a comparatively way more advanced civilization than what we otherwise expect of that time period, that later disappeared off the face of the earth, perhaps, though not required to be, swallowed up by water. This doesn’t mean they have to believe in the Sci fi version like in the Disney film.

@brianaschmidt910

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Funny story... Disney+ has a documentary by James Cameron who hired anthropologists who determined that it might be the site of Taressos in Doñana Spain.

@safiafraga

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@@brianaschmidt910 Well, if you read the articles and books of one of the co-workers, Georgeos Diaz Montexano, you may consider his arguments are very near to prove the existence of Atlantis. At James Cameron video they are considering possibilities about Tera and other places. But the written essays are much more interesting.

It's hard to see how Ancient Atlanteans founded the Aztec Civilization since the Atlanteans were supposedly 9,000 years ago and the Aztec were founded around 800 or 900 years ago. Even the Ancient Olmecs and Mayans go back MAYBE 3,000 years ago!

Love that you include that infamous novel within the title :) Like your work so far quite a bit!

@CinziaDuBois

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Thank you! 😄

This is interesting! Thank you for doing this video. I look forward to the next installment.

Could not Plato's inspiration be the stories of the Sea People's? Like not the actual information about them (because in part they may have been his ancestors, or possibly people his ancestors displaced) but the story of their invasion, and then combining that with the events that happened to Minoan Crete, kind of consolidated his legends into one place useful for a story. I mean the Sea Peoples also invaded, overreached, and failed (it was Egypt they invaded, but far be it from a storyteller to let facts get in the way). This might have made the story land better: "Everyone who's been around remembers the old stories circulating the Mediterranean about the invaders from the sea. They couldn't have been us Greeks (they lost, and we don't really do that, especially Athenians), they must have come from further west, a place that we know far less about and it's gone anyway Where, into the Atlantic where all things end up." Then he just pops in some references to a city he isn't a fan of and it all sounds plausible because his audience knows those references, just not in that arrangement (and they mostly don't care anyways, they're looking for the subtext). It reminds of all those alt history movies or conspiracy theories, if you want to make them feel plausible you have to tie them to something everyone can nod and mutter "I know that reference" about that actually happened. The truth is just a backdrop to the fiction you're trying to sell.

That was one of the best explanations of the origins of the Atlantis myth that I have seen and thank you for including the possible connection between the eruption of Thera with the myth of the plagues of Egypt because Egypt isn't far away and must have felt the aftereffects of such a violent eruption. I find the concept of a single original source for civilisation to be rather disturbing, with connotations of master race theory. The truth that most societies sprung up and developed civilisation largely independent of each other also shows that no race is superior.

Rational skepticism is always a massive relief to witness.

came across this channel by accident and have never left, i really like the topics and clear and concise way of explaining things

But then there are a lot of Americans who do not know where Australia is.

I'm so glad to have found your channel! I have, by default, had to conduct a study of the topic of Atlantis, which I really had no interest in being that I knew the original story was from Plato and it didn't describe a real place, because my bro-in-law started watching Graham Hancock videos and the Ancient Aliens series. He has been attempting to sell me on the " lost high-tech, ancient civilization" narrative with the Atlantis story as a key component. Dr. David Miano ( World of Antiquity channel ) did a deep dive into Ignatius Donnely, whom I hadn't heard of. His work made me realize that it is incorrect to call this story an "ancient myth" because it was not draw from folklore or mythology. It is troubling because no matter how much I present to him that would cast doubt on the story for anyone with an ounce of critical discernment, he persists in claiming that the Atlaneans are the most logical source of knowledge for all later civilizations. Thank you for the work you do in the interest of promoting truth and dispelling nonsense.

Great videos, please keep making these classical civilisations related videos, you have introduced me to a new world of history I was never interested in!

Congratulations on the 100K subscribers plaque!

I think we know Atlantis is real, otherwise where is Jason Mimosa from? 🥺🍊🍾

I never thought that the Atlantis of the stories is real. Though I do like the idea of an ancient civilisation that sank beneath the sea due to having built their city on top of a volcano.

I just found this channel 10 mins ago and I’m immediately obsessed.

I absolutely love this. I love seeing what historical events may have influenced the legends. I'm eagerly waiting for the rest!

There are theories that Atlantis may have existed, look into the Younger Dryas and your perspective may change on it a bit… there’s a lot out there. There’s also a lot of flood stories including Atlantis that line up with the Younger Dryas period. They believe that a comet hit one of the ice shields causing the sea levels to rise. The animal corpses around that time too were found completely mangled, like mammoths and wolves and so many other things. Also it fits with the time that Göbeklitepe was buried, human civilizations were more advanced and more ancient than we believe. It’s interesting stuff.

*America has entered the chat* 😂🤦‍♀️

Congrats on the Button! Love your channel.

Excellent, well researched and informative video! Thank you!

Sagan standard: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's not that I actively disbelieve in aliens, Santa, and Jesus. I'm just waiting to see the extraordinary evidence before I come to a conclusion.

@str.77

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Calling done claims "extraordinary" is special pleading often in service of denialism. Atlantis doesn't need extraordinary evidence but rather evidence to begin with. Not all the items on your list are equal. PS. And Sagan, the man who sent a gold record into space in what must either be a very pointless or very foolish act.

Cinzia, enjoyed the video. Everything you said makes sense. I think you have a logic problem. You are asserting a binary set, Atlantis is either history or allegory. It can be both. Here are two more recent examples. Alfred the Great was a historical figure, King of Wessex. Is the story of Alfred and the cakes history or is it a story created to make a point. George Washington and the cherry tree is a known fiction about a historical figure written to teach a lesson. Add a thousand years to each story and what happens.

@CinziaDuBois

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Thank you. If something can be historical and allegorical, then it can’t then be “Atlantis”. There’s no record before Plato of a country, continent or city of that name, and literally speaking, you cannot sink an island - you can flood one, but one cannot sink. no where in this video did I say there’s no such thing as a city lost to sea, but it’s name wouldn’t be Atlantis, and the history of such an event wouldn’t have existed only orally for 9,000 years. Therefore, Atlantis never existed and is entirely allegorical, but it’s story is very much the product of real events that happened to real islands, much like the myth of the Loch Ness monster is based on the existence of real dinosaurs and mermaids are based on real sea creatures. All mythology stems from some form of reality viewed through a more imaginative lens, but it doesn’t make it more real.

@davidgoldfeder4007

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@@CinziaDuBois Thank you for responding. Plato writes that his ancestor Solon visited Egypt and a priest in a temple there told him the story of an island west of the Pillars of Hercules that was home to an advanced civilization until the island was swallowed by the sea 9000 years previously. The question is did Plato use a family tale as the setting for his story or did he make it all up. Could the story have existed? You comment that oral tales don't last 9000 years. Plato doesn't claim this is oral. He claims this is a temple tale. We have relatively recent evidence of monasteries and temples preserving knowledge through a dark age. On a related note, Church chronicles are the primary source for much of Russian history. The chronicles edit out the Tatars. You also comment that islands can't sink but they can flood. The Azores are on the boundary between the North American, Eurasian, and African tectonic plates. During the last ice age, much of North America was under ice sheets over a mile thick. These melted in a relatively short time between 11k and 12k years ago. A couple of things happened because of this. A large amount of water was added to the ocean, raising the sea level by about 300 feet. The other is that the reduction of weight from the ice, let the plate decompress, raising it's elevation. This resulted in subsidence on the other boundary. Think teeter totter. This area going down would be where the Azores are. This is the same time frame when Doggerland started flooding.

Such a truly fascinating video. So much I didn’t know about. Thanks for your effort here, and we need to see a pet 2 please !!!

@CinziaDuBois

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Coming soon!

Hell yeah, love seein' that plaque! Long overdue, and well-deserved!

That number of Atlantis believers is only going to grow when Black Panther 2 gets released 😂.

@ScottRoche

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Except that they're going with a mesoamerican myth (which I think is cool).

😂 ha ha we all know the canals on Mars are all the evidence needed to prove that Atlanteans were an alien 'super-race' drowned by their disbelief in Christian dogma

I really love listening to you. You make things easy to understand. I would definitely like to see this further research on Atlantis. Thank you for all you do. And congratulation on getting the plaque.

Your voice is the best thing i heard in my life. It is so warming, so motherly. i love it

I’ve always liked the myth of Atlantis. In my mind, Atlantis is real. It’s much more fun and interesting to believe that it could be out there in the ocean, waiting to be discovered. Congrats on getting your play button! 🥳☺️

Do I believe Atlantis was real? Not necessarily in the sense of hyper advanced civilization. I personally believe Atlantis was based on a real civilization which was advanced and prosperous for its time period. I think it may have been a city destroyed by a tsunami and it was simply embellished as a myth, but also as a warning. An isekai anime I saw put it really well that myths aren't just a way to spread stories but often a way to spread warning. The hubris of Atlantis was in building on an island or shoreline even the most advanced city of the time wasn't immune to the effects of nature (the wrath of the Gods) and it was meant as a warning for any enterprising city builders and kings. The city itself was probably either a small civilization or part of a larger civilization and the meaning behind it may have even been lost by the time Plato recorded it. I think he was simply recording this myth if hubris that was meant to warn people of the dangers of the ocean. But now we think it was a civilization far more advanced than even those of today when it was simply advanced for its time period. Or maybe it was just a regular place that was wealthy and pretty, but not really any more advanced than what was expected of the time.

Love the video, love the debunking! Looking forward to more of this series...

@CinziaDuBois

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Glad you enjoyed it!

Congrats on 100k!!

Imagine being the guy who tried to debunk Troy. And then still being around when it was discovered. Never underestimate the tales of lost cities.

I’m here to apologize for my fellow Americans who will watch this epic fact check and still argue ineffectively against it. There are so many of them it’s kind of disturbing..

Congratulations, Cinzia. Well deserved 👏 You are looking and sounding fantastic today 😀 👌

I actually didn't know a lot of the details of the original tale. That was intensely interesting and puts things in perspective. Thank you.

how dare you!! atlantis IS real!!! i know it because the history channel said so. how dare you pretend to understand history. (this is all a joke, great work man!)

@arif6935

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You talk as if the history channel isn't credible.

@jinxedfates

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@@arif6935 i mean... is it credible?

@arif6935

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@@jinxedfates LOL Is that supposed to be funny?

@jinxedfates

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@@arif6935 you cant be real can you..ancient aliens alone is enough to say its not credible lol

This video is very informative and I enjoyed listening to it. I would love to see more videos about this topic.

Great video! Btw love your Awe Inspired necklace!💛

More people need to see this video! Thank you