Andor wasn't slow. It was PATIENT.

@kaziglubey4455

Жыл бұрын

Great way to describe it. It does a LOT of worldbuilding and character building in the first few episodes which pays off later. Honestly nothing is wasted.

@PsychedelicDude

Жыл бұрын

@@kaziglubey4455 Thanks! It saddens me when a show actually treats the audience like intelligent adults and with respect and people complain that it's "slow". Maybe it's those people who are slow, not the show. Was Breaking Bad slow? Game of Thrones? No. They were patient. Glad there are people like you who understands this.

@angelicalynn1259

Жыл бұрын

They did something you so rarely see. They made you emotionally invested in the antagonists. That is so rare in anything. Not only did people start to like them but even after the evil is shown people still want to see what happens to them next.

@ecthelionofthefountain5730

Жыл бұрын

The first three episodes were like the first 200 pages in the LOTR Books. You gotta get through them to get to the interesting parts that also wouldn't work without the slow (patient) beginning.

@TraceguyRune

Жыл бұрын

The people saying Andor is slow are probably Gen Z, and have probably never read any books in their life. Andor was like reading a book. It was perfect

After watching Andor, It's really sad that Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi, two of the most well known characters in the franchise didn't get the same treatment for their own shows in terms of writing and quality.

@qtindavis433

Жыл бұрын

well said!!!

@starwarsnewsandmemes8289

Жыл бұрын

As much as I agree, I see the reasoning for Disney's decision, at least from a business perspective. They assumed Boba and Kenobi would do well regardless of quality so they thought they could cheap out to an extent, while with Andor they needed it to be good. I'm not saying it was the right decision, given that some fans have given up, but just saying I see the reasoning.

@astrojuicy

Жыл бұрын

For real. It’s so sad that Kenobi could well be the last significant project with Hayden and Ewan and it was just a complete nothing show

@annikinstarkiller600

Жыл бұрын

I could not stop thinking this the entire time watching

@stevebreedlove9760

Жыл бұрын

My two cents: Kenobi and BoBF started with a character and tried to build a story around it. Andor started with a story and themes and then wrote the characters. This i think is why cassian was the one character most people had an issue with, because he already had an end. That said, i dont think his story in the show that bears his name was bad. Cassian just lacked the same polish as the new characters.

It's really sad that we live in a time where world building and character development in an story is considered "soap opera"

@pedrokantor3997

Жыл бұрын

Those people lack the maturity for this kind of show.

@lennyztrobos8678

Жыл бұрын

@@pedrokantor3997 I cant help but feel that they missed the mark if you need to reach a level of maturity to enjoy a starwars show. Is Lego Andor aiming to outsell Lego Jason Bourne? 😅

@c-eb3634

Жыл бұрын

@@lennyztrobos8678 What mark? A lot of adults love Star Wars and it's what they grew up with. Putting up with kid shows every time isn't that great. Disney needs to realise that its target audience is also adults with the Star Wars franchise. They can't only focus on the children's side of it and make mediocre content because they aren't mature enough to appreciate it. So I think they miss the mark when they dumb down everything for children. It's the parents that pay for Disney+, not their child.

@lennyztrobos8678

Жыл бұрын

@@c-eb3634 eeh, I guess. I think of it more in terms of, Im a productive adult, and I enjoy my teen fantasy adventure stories just fine if they're done well. I loved Marvel up until Endgame (which I thought was merely okay after the perfect Infinity war). If someone says a show is mature, I interpret that as either 1) sexy, 2) dark/disgusting, 3) pretentious/difficult to follow, 4)excessively violent, or 5) slow burn/boring. So my line of thinking is, instead of doing a show that's dark, gritty and a bit boring, or banal and infantile, they should make a show that's more like a Sword and sorcery adventure in space, like actual Star Wars. ;-P

@c-eb3634

Жыл бұрын

@@lennyztrobos8678 I think that varying the style is nice. Like that, it's possible to hold every part of the fanbase together, knowing that not everything Star Wars related will please everybody.

Andor has given me a new hope.

@CC726A24

Жыл бұрын

unfortunately, a hope that they will abuse until they need a new Andor to revive hope.

@tonyallen4265

Жыл бұрын

@@CC726A24 Literally, Andor has given me "A New Hope"... (via Rogue One).

@GreaterGrievobeast55

Жыл бұрын

Hope is torment drawn out. An wounded palm in a dark room, grazing against barb wire to find bandages. Too long I suffered hope after what star wars became, like many others. I think I reached my tolerance just before andor came out, but too late is too late. There’s much more lashing out to do before i’ll ever be appeased.

I recently started rewatching Andor, and it's amazing how different the show is once you know where it's going to end. I'm seeing Cassian's growth much more starkly when I can contrast him with where he ends up.

@stevebreedlove9760

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Even if his arc is more clear, I think he is still one of the hardest characters to track their change.

@jamiemunn9200

Жыл бұрын

You can really dabble in all the sweet little details in there! Let's get those watch hours up!!

Andor was not only the best Star War series, it was comfortably one of the best TV series Ive ever seen period. I'm genuinely preparing for Mando season 3 by reminding myself that it's unrealistic to expect it to be nearly as good as Andor lol

I think even those SW fans who don’t like Andor can at least appreciate that the creators took it so seriously, didn’t damage canon or make light of legacy characters, and demonstrated to Disney how important high production values are to the fans. I’m hoping that other shows will benefit from the lessons learned from Andor and that other creators will get the resources and time necessary to create at this level.

I was one of the people who was going to give up on live-action Star Wars. Andor was the last chance I was going to give Disney because I've realized Disney tends to do a lot better with their own original character then legacy ones. Man am I glad I gave Andor a chance.

@SuperiorShrek

Жыл бұрын

What about Rey lol

@user-yq9im9dk9z

Жыл бұрын

At this point the trashing of legacy seems intentional, rather than them suddenly knowing how to write when they're doing their own thing

I think Andor is the best product out of both. It is actually a good TV show on its own, and while I think the Mandalorian has some good qualities, its success mainly comes from the multiple characters that appeared from other StarWars media, talking about season 2 here.

“Andor: A New Hope” seems to be a relevant title. New hope for Star Wars.

Andor is BY FAR the best SW show, nothing else even comes close.

@matteopinn1754

Жыл бұрын

cw is better.

@dunnagan5

Жыл бұрын

Season 3 onward, the last 4 of Season 7 especially. The first 2 seasons were a little rough.

@dylanmahaffey8920

Жыл бұрын

Are you forgetting a little show called "Droids"?

@choppingpenguin

Жыл бұрын

@@matteopinn1754 like most SW viewers, it went over your head.

After the finale, is there anyone still debating on this?

The Mandalorian is a fantastic show, but I rate Andor a little higher because the writing is phenomenal.

Besides showing “the backbone of the rebellion”, Andor showed people finding their own voice… a crucial step towards change.

Rewatching this first few 'slow' episodes, you realize how amazing they are. The immersive set up is why the series packs such an emotional punch.

Mando season 2's finale made me weep tears to see Luke get some much needed badassery but was quickly undone by BOBF... Andor was mostly consistently strong, deep, well acted and directed and complex... I already said this before but yes... this is the best Star Wars show... not just of Disney era, but all Star Wars shows (TV shows, not movies) for me.

@stevebreedlove9760

Жыл бұрын

I like ANH, RotS amd ESB. But Andor is superior writing, set design, cinematography amd editing. Im sorry, it may not be a popular opinion, but tear down the technical aspects of cinema as visual story telling and Andor is the best in Star Wars, only possibly edged out by ESB, only because the emotional journey was more concise even if the payoff in Andor was more satisfying.

@soakedbearrd

Жыл бұрын

Hands down the best show Star Wars has made that’s not animation. This has heart and soul, and especially now with all that is happening in the world, it really hit home. Star Wars started with a new hope.

@MedalionDS9

Жыл бұрын

@@stevebreedlove9760 Very well said, I am not quite ready to say it this show replaces the OT to me, but... it's in a very good company

@matteopinn1754

Жыл бұрын

hah, cw is mate

@kriticalitygaming1048

Жыл бұрын

@@matteopinn1754 True, but Andor is the best live action one.

Andor was the "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" of the Star Wars TV shows. It grounded it into something realer. But, The Mandalorian is the more important show that set the pace. Mandalorian can be followed by a smart 11 year old and Andor is meant for the 18 and up crowd. But, I think Andor is nitch ( and smart ), while Mando feels more Star Wars-sy. I think Andor needed more robots and puppet creatures to round out the Star Wars saga feel...

I get where people are coming from that the first 3 eps feel the slowest but you also have to remember, we didn't know what to make of this show to begin with so we had to adjust and grow with the show... perhaps if you watch it again, it won't seem as slow because you get why this is necessary to setup stakes, relationships, motivations, and the tone of the world and stories that we will tell going forward

@bioboy1819

Жыл бұрын

I really don’t understand why lots of people think it’s great… I really think it’s an average show at best.

@MedalionDS9

Жыл бұрын

@@bioboy1819 Do you not understand because you genuinely can't follow the storyline, analyze what people are saying what they like about it, and how it relates to your interests... or because you don't want to get it because you are not genuinely giving it a fair shot?

@aquapendulum

Жыл бұрын

I just rewatched the show and found Andor to be a completely different character at the beginning compared to the end. This guy was selfish and burned bridges with everybody in his community. Then while nobody is looking, he grows and evolved as he is influenced by other characters. The guy in the finale who carried out a selfless, heroic rescue of Bix is a changed man. All the scenes in the first arc served as the contrast to his character growth. I don't want to hear anybody simultaneously complaining that Cassian Andor is an under-developed character and that the first arc was boring. The scenes that they think were fillers/unimportant were actually in service of the development of the character they think was under-developed. And I extra don't want to hear those complaints if those same people don't apply that standard to the protagonist of The Mandalorian.

If you told me towards the end of last year that Andor would not only be incredible in its own right, but also better than Boba Fett AND Kenobi, i would have laughed in your face. I’ll admit I wasn’t entirely sold in the beginning 2 episodes, but I stuck with it and purposely waited and watched it in 3 episode batches and it blew me away every time and made it really hard to wait 3 weeks at a time! It did the impossible and deserves all the recognition it’s getting and then some! To anyone who may have been in the same camp as me and doubtful at first, I strongly encourage giving it another chance.

the fact we didn't get this quality of writing for obi wan might be the biggest tragedy after the sequels.

@kidkuleshov

Жыл бұрын

couldn't have worded it better myself, I was so quick to praise the obi wan series at first :[

@amytorastrm2070

Жыл бұрын

I am loving the kenobi Series

@theveteransergeant

Жыл бұрын

You were never going to get this quality of writing for Obi Wan, because the premise of Obi Wan is inherently stupid. He's Samwell Tarly. He has one job: keep Luke hidden from the Emperor and Vader. Any story where he goes off across the galaxy drawing massive amounts of attention to himself was going to be bad. Hence why no good writers would touch it, and they ended up with the guys who wrote Army of the Dead, GI Joe: Rise of Cobra, and 47 Ronin.

@VonJay

Жыл бұрын

I don't really know why people expect veteran characters to be "written well" or have good shows. Especially under Disney since they never use postmodern tools (Boba Fett is an anti-hero yet Disney has never made an actual anti hero film. They may make Malificent and Cruella but completely humanize and idealize them). But characters that were born from an specific individuals experience won't have enough integrity or believable journey when given to a new writer. New writers should create their own characters and not be trapped in another writer's character, culture, planet etc.

@miecraftandmoregames

Жыл бұрын

@@theveteransergeant sure but dealing with the trauma and isolation of obi wan with this level of care would have been pretty amazing imo, it just neded to be a smaller more character focused show instead of whatever the hell we got.

Kinda hilarious that some people think it’s “too serious” just because it tries to add more intellectual ideas and themes into the Star Wars galaxy

Best star wars show hands down. I was really sad how Disney took this franchise and basically made a mockery of it. But I cannot say how much this one show has showed me there is still hope.

I wish we were getting more than 2 seasons. I hope at least that they make season 2 extra long. This series is so phenomenal. I watched One Way Out and Rix Road like 5 times already. Such compelling story telling.

@VonJay

Жыл бұрын

Gilroy said he's done with star wars but his brother was a writer on the show as well, hopefully we can retain him for future projects. And season two is 12 episodes.

Mando relies on a cute plush toy doing cute plush toy things. It also relies heavily on fan service and nostalgia callbacks. Andor relies on storytelling and character building

I hope a lot of people watch it. I’m watching it with my roommate who have never watched any Star Wars and she is LOVING it!! She’s actually WANTING to watch the next episode and telling people about it

Andor really highlighted something that bugs me about the sequel trilogy- the central characters out-way the importance of all the regular people in the war. We see one force projection as the single target of an entire army, and one force user disable an entire fleet. This kind of power makes the individual contributions of the rebels on the ground entirely irrelevant. Compare this to the OT, Andor, or Rogue. We feel the fear of the rebel troopers because we’re on the ground with them, facing down AT-ATs. We see up close the risks and sacrifices made by regular people that collectively make a big difference, rather than the fate of the galaxy resting in the hands of 2-3 ridiculously overpowered force users.

I'm glad your wife has started to have a more big role in this channel

When Star Wars came out...I was nine, and as a kid watching it, I loved it. I am now 54 and my tastes and likes have grown and evolved, I loved Andor. I didn't even finish ANY of the other Disney Star Wars shows, not one.

The line between Thor Skywalker and Thor Skywalker Plus is getting a bit blurry.

Rogue One is my favorite movie, and Andor is my favorite show. There’s no Jedi mysticism. There’s no fantasy nonsense. There is real people existing in the real universe doing their best. The TIE sound effects on Aldhani made me cower a bit. They sounded terrifying. I love grit like that.

@dereklopez9060

Жыл бұрын

Rogue One felt more Star Wars than the entire sequel trilogy.

@istari0

Жыл бұрын

@@dereklopez9060 Rogue One was more Star Wars than the entire Sequel Trilogy.

@rcbmmines4579

Жыл бұрын

I will say though, Rogue One and to a lesser extent Andor, do use the Force excellently in a more grounded yet powerful way. ANH established it as a religion about a cosmic will that drives the destiny of the galaxy which people put their hope in, with how the imperials and Han viewed it as. Not necessarily just as a source of mystical power that gives telekinesis and low level telepathy. That's what we see through the Ersos and the Guardians of the Whills. Lyra gives her Kyber crystal to Jyn and tells her to "Trust in the Force" before she died, like a mother giving a cross necklace as a final memento. That necklace draws attention from Chirrut, a saintly blind monk who retains his faith and through that he miraculously succeeds before death, inspiring Baze to regain his. Their hope is drawn from belief in the Force. "May the Force be with us" never hit harder than when Jyn said it IMO. In Andor, we have Luthen giving Cassian a Kyber crystal necklace celebrating freedom from an ancient Rakatan empire, Skeen talking about how luck drives the galaxy ("from my experience there is no such thing as luck") and Cassian himself constantly being pushed towards joining the Rebellion no matter how hard he runs ("There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny). The Force is always in Star Wars one way or another. This is why the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant to it.

This series was almost a master class in my opinion. I loved it. The pay offs worked very well

To summarize, YES. Mandalorian is fun and engaging, but Andor just has more depth, doesn’t leave you feeling left out if you haven’t seen clone wars, and brings more nuance to the rebellion that haven’t really been explored much prior. And the love and care put into the writing is just something I can’t help but admire. I’m glad both kinds of shows exist but I would say Star Wars needs more of Andor than fan service.

Mandalorian and Andor are both excellent and very different. I enjoy high quality style differences. Andor is top quality acting and writing. I get that Disney needs to cater to a wide audience but I hope they do more Andor level content.

For those of us that have read the original EU, none of this should surprise us. This vivid representation of the rest of the galaxy was always being built up in the EU stories. They were always the bread & butter lightsaber & space battles. In a way, it what is EU fans have always wanted. And it is. What we didn’t expect was the adroit failures we’ve had to endure to get to this point. As Chris Gore says…I miss loving Star Wars. This show is a step towards that precious love.

@stevebreedlove9760

Жыл бұрын

Thats awesome. In the first few episodes some people were saying it didnt feel like SW. But I played the old WEG role playing game and read some of the novels and short stories and Andor felt more like MY star wars than anything before.

@Habu12

Жыл бұрын

@@stevebreedlove9760 right? To me, it has the feel and aesthetic. What a throwback to that time.

My ranking so far is: 1. Andor 2. The Mandalorian 3. Kenobi 4. Book of Boba Fett

Frankly, it Outclasses absolutely everything done by Disney in this franchise. A Masterpiece of cinematography, music, acting, story...

Personally, Andor being more serious and for-adults was brilliant. It respects the intelligence of adults who grew up watching Star Wars, and it shows that not every Star Wars story has to have an angle about Jedi vs. Sith. Finally we see that it doesn't have to be all lightsabers and lasers and space dogfights and bombastic classical-opera scores. Instead, we have a beautiful and heartfelt reminder that a tale of Star Wars CAN be about the regular people in the galaxy who don't have supernatural powers or Batman skills or some awesome prophetic family lineage.

@VonJay

Жыл бұрын

That's how I felt about Rogue One, and then we get the amazing Darth Vader scene, which I thought was unnecessary. Kind of threw to the tone of the entire film off. It was still amazing just thought they could have used at least a fight sequence like that elsewhere.

Honored to have my comment shared in the video. Keep up the good work, Thor & Sailor! You two are the best.

I never really thought to much about how the rebellion had began, other than the content I had consumed in video games. The show creators took the "lived in" torch and ran with it. The whole tradition on Ferrix with the bricks is interesting and took on a whole new meaning to me when I remembered Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall. I can't remember which one of you said it but it does seem true that the show is like the visualization of legends. I forgot about the surveys but would have been among the 70%. One Way Out.

Andor: Written by the guys who brought us The Devil's Advocate, the Bourne movies, Michael Clayton, The Americans, The Fall (2006), Nightcrawler, and House of Cards. Mandalorian: Written by the guys who brought us Thor 2, Couples Retreat, and a bunch of cartoons. Not saying there's a difference, but Andor can't even see Mandalorian in the rear view mirror, 2nd place is so far back there.

@federov100

Жыл бұрын

Filoni/Favreau brought back baby yoda because they can’t write without a crutch

@theveteransergeant

Жыл бұрын

@@federov100 Mandalorian is written for 14 year olds. And I'm not knocking it for that. 14 year olds need things to watch too. But it's not anywhere close to the same level of Andor. It's a live action cartoon built around every 35ish minute episode having a shootout, and a neat plot resolution.

@mat3714

Жыл бұрын

Mando got sillier as it progressed.... went from gritty to cartoonish troopers getting killed by the dozens while either hitting blaster proof protagonists or missing unprotected people in corridors at point blank. The bar was so low after the sequels that everyone fell for a mediocre show sprinkled with great moments and nostalgia porn. Andor is the way forward.

@theveteransergeant

Жыл бұрын

@@mat3714 In episode 2, Mando gets taser off the side of a sand crawler, falls 60 feet to his minor physical discomfort. Mandalorian was never "gritty," lol. It was always a cartoon.

@mat3714

Жыл бұрын

@@theveteransergeant in episode 1 he shops a guy in half in a door.... don't add condescending "lols" especially if you're argument is subjective or weak

BOBA-FETT AND KENOBI NEED THE GILROY GROWN UP TREATMENT. Thanks for having these insights and conversation.

I think Luthen is only 1 step away from becoming basically Silco from Arcane which is fascinating

Solid 4.7 Excellent Series. Excellent story. Great characters.Intelligent script and development. Great performances. Great photography One of the best shows in 2022 Great Star Wars!!

Finally finished watching it today, and it’s easily the best live-action Star Wars we’ve gotten under Disney LucasFilm. I have no complaints about the series. It’s pretty much everything I wanted out of a Star Wars series, and a hugely refreshing change of pace for the franchise. Can’t wait for Season 2!

Disney star wars consistently does well with series that are not supposed to be good/important. This is either due to chance or the fact that the leadership at Lucas film when they get involved ruin projects. My major issue with this all is that we get inconsistent content that keeps hope alive but never delivers any results. What will they do with the goodwill created by Andor, how will they mess everything up?

@user-yq9im9dk9z

Жыл бұрын

They will mess up the good will, no question, so I don't see any reason to support them until there's a new leadership. Look no further than how Willow show is messed up and what will happen to Indiana Jones.

I showed this to my parents who are in their 60s and aren’t Star Wars fans by any means they Loved it and ended up re watching the entire saga as a result ( well 4-6 and rouge one 12789 are unbearable imo) now if I can get them to watch mando

@VonJay

Жыл бұрын

I told my dad about it about a week ago, he's almost 70. He said he absolutely hated the sequels and doesn't want to touch SW again. I said fine, understandable. He calls me last night out of nowhere: "That's it??? 12 episodes? Where's the rest. What?" And I had to remind myself that he doesn't watch shows at all. "oh yeah Andor, yeah season's over." "when's the next season." "2024" "F***" LMAO. We chatted about it for about 20 minutes. Really glad he liked it.

The great thing about having two competently written shows airing at the exact same time is that you can choose what you want out of Star Wars. If you want more of that swashbuckling, 1930s serial style show, the Mandalorian is right over there. If you want spy drama, and ground level battle sequences and the intricacies of how the rebellion and politics work, here's Andor for you.

Between the films and the D+ shows we've had 6 movies with Tatooine in it and 3 shows (maybe more). We also have Jakku which is Tatooine by another name. I definitely think we can do without this planet for a while, especially when the setting is filled with billions of planets. And I love me some jedi and sith, but it was remarkably refreshing to finally see something without a singke lightsaber in it. I think some fans need to get a grip on this a bit....not every show needs a jedi, not every character needs to be related to a legacy character, not every character needs to be secretly a sith lord.... Variety is the spice of life, right? Don't you think you'll get sick of pizza if you have it for every meal for the rest of your life?

@stevebreedlove9760

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for stating this. The luthan is a jedi theories showed no one cared to listen to what Gilroy said about his own show.

@inlonging

Жыл бұрын

I think the problem is the people you’re referring to are the immature types that probably DO have pizza for every meal because they cannot be bothered to cook or vary from what they like. Immature.

@user-yq9im9dk9z

Жыл бұрын

Imagine how mad today fans will be at Tatooine in KOTOR remake 🤣

@user-yq9im9dk9z

Жыл бұрын

why should I seek out every little thing the creator says when I watch a show? Andor fans sounding like prequel defenders.

I enjoy the Mandalorian, it’s a crowd pleaser but I haven’t rewatched it or think about it much. I’ve already started rewatching Andor. I’ve listened to Luthen’s monologue multiple times and I tear up every time I hear it. I get chills when I hear Nemik’s manifesto, I get inspired when I hear Maarva’s call to action. Dedra has become a villain I love to hate. I crave constant Andor content through video essays and analysis. I almost quit SW after BOBF and Obi Wan, Andor drew me back. It is a masterpiece.

@stevebreedlove9760

Жыл бұрын

Lol. Same. I thought i reached the end of the internet for Andor analysis then i found another one. Everyone saw something different, found a new detail in the writing etc. Ive watched each mando season twice and agree i dont feel compelled to watch it again (although i say that about the OT and still circle back to it once or twice a year). Andor makes us think and I am pretty sure thats the why so many people are finding it so refreshing. Mindless entertainment is great, but so is thinking.

The Naimos location was filmed right by where I live. Saw a bunch of troopers in the flesh. But all the Andor was refreshing, I loved the prison break and I'm so glad this show didn't fall back onto that original nostalgia, fan service too

Ha, that image showed around 11:00 of Your video, I missed it watching the show - the guy to the right holding a percussion cymbals case :D Reminds me of the famous gillete razor comunicator.

The OT showed us a galaxy where Luke, Obiwan and Yoda were the ONLY Jedis left. And where the rebellion was led to 99% by non-force-sensitive people. It’s even stronger with Rogue One, where no Jedi is involved at all, except maybe for the blind warrior (sorry I forgot his name) who seems to have some connection to the force. It’s great to have a series about the everyday rebels.

Loved Andor. Loved the nods to "Kyle Katarn" with Cassian - hoping we see a lot more of that in S2.

@PsychedelicDude

Жыл бұрын

Would love to see Kyle Katarn become canon again. If i could pick an actor to play him it would be Jensen Ackles who played Dean Winchester in Supernatural and Soldier Boy in The Boys

@intuitivealchemist

Жыл бұрын

@@PsychedelicDude I could see that! Good casting choice.

It was a masterpiece!

It wasn't just the best Star Wars series, it was one of the best series of the year overall.

No question. The best.

Definitely 4 stars for Andor. It's good for all the reasons we SW nuts see it as. My only issue with the series,is the lack of diverse species involved in the fight as well. To say Andor highlights the "human" side or common people side of the struggle is semantically true,given the bulk of the rebellion was in fact human,but there are other species' with the same struggles as well & for me,it shrinks the Galaxy instead of making it as some view,larger in scope when not telling their stories. A series like Andor is primed for diverse species' arcs right along side the humans,since ultimately it's them who illustrate Star Wars as a galaxy far far away. Definitely a good watch & high praise to Gilroy for the good work put in so far. I'm excited with all the upcoming projects Fillioni has in store to give me the Star Wars I truly love. He has never failed me.

I can't wait to see episode 3 of your Obi Wan Kenobi Series I've watched the first two twice already lol.. oh great job on this video

I too felt it was a slow start but it certainly paid off. Episode four kicked into a higher gear. I fell in love with it. By series end I was excited for the potential of Star Wars again. That’s a feeling I haven’t had for years, other than when Rogue One released. Andor really felt fresh and engaging with few missteps.

I think Mandalorian and Andor are completely different but both awesome in their respective ways.

I don't get people that are into serialized storytelling, world building, characters, and drama, can't seem to get into this show. For one YTber, it seemed that he had a defined definition of what Star Wars is to himself.

Yes! Episodes 1 and 2 were a bit slow,but from episode 3 I was hooked. It looks stunning, great characters - especially Luthen, Mon, Cyril and Dedra (apologies if I've spelt any wrong). Great story, really well written! Hopefully more people will give it a chance now other big shows like House of the Dragon have finished.

Saw someone write that being the best Star Wars show wasn't a high bar to reach. Which I absolutely agree. Even then, Andor transcended SW in my opinion. Like Marvel, I'd always rank Star Wars products within the universe that they exist in. This is the first time where a Star Wars product has cracked my top 20 overall list, or even consideration for a list. It's my second favorite show all time behind GOT. Third is Better Call Saul and then Breaking Bad. Would have never thought. But Mandalorian is a good star wars show. Andor is a great show that happens to be set in the Star Wars Universe.

@dentangaji6161

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Slow burn always delivers

I loved Andor's world building - no pacing issue from my point of view. I enjoyed it - a refreshing surprise in the overall mediocrity of tv series and franchise disasters (like most of the previous SW sequels and Amazon's ROP).

Andor transcends Television, rising to the level of Cinema, alongside cold war classics like Three Days of the Condor, or Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.

Plain & simple, Andor is Star Wars evolved. Mandalorian is sentimental, self contained action fantasy, but Andor is a true saga of common citizens from a galaxy, far, far away.

You guys actually read my comment no way, this made my day. Thanks!

I only just watched it recently (for better or for worse). I really enjoyed it and is kinda wild to see something from Disney that is so substantive. Like it is about stuff with complicated characters and themes rather than being purely spectacle or just a toy comercial. As if the intent was to make a whole ass meal rather than a candy bar lol.

I love Andor and the Mandalorian. I think the Mando is more fun but Andor is more suspenseful. Both are great and have a place in the SWG.

They need Tony Gilroy to be in charge of a High Republic or a Revan movie trilogy.

Ever notice.. Jedi were all about no feelings but their followers, the rebels, are the most passionate... The Sith are fuelled by passions.. But their followers are like emotionless...

Honestly I think the show is fine, I think I got a little overhyped for it. It’s just not quite my type of show which made it hard for me to get really into it. That being said, episode ten is so *so* good

To the guy who didn't like it, watch the first episode again and see if you aren't feeling you want to rewatch it. This happened to me and then I finished it.

I was taken aback by the slow pace for the first 7 episodes, but the last 5 & later look-back reminded me somewhat of Breaking Bad & Better Call Saul, in a weird way they are slower shows that manage to really catch many people's attention with characters & situations in a darker mood. I really like Andor.

Andor is my favorite show I’ve ever seen. I can’t wait for season 2

I really liked the series overall and enjoyed all of the episodes. I specifically enjoyed how they felt diverse artistically (cudos to the composer for putting that much thought into the score). One example for me is that the whole sequence of Andor's arrest and sentence was pretty funny (again, microtonal music really helps the feeling of Andor trying to make sence of this stupid situation), and the very next episode we see how brutal the jail actually is, where it is not funny at all. But the episode that touched me the most is, without a doubt, ep. 6. It was a cinematic masterpiece that builds the suspence all the way through to release it in a hauntingly beautiful way. 6th is the episode I'm going to rewatch a few times.

I've discussed this show with a few friends, and it sometimes feels like I watched a different show. Some of them think Andor is the worst of the Disney Star Wars shows. That perspective blows my mind. Like they don't understand what makes up a great show.

I think the general public prefers Mando but the most heardcore fans usually prefer Andor.

On a sidenote, imagine being a star Wars fan in 20 years and you have all these movies and shows to catch up on 😅 I cant imagine how much more will be made by then. I hope they all are made with as much care as Andor, id love to see different types of stories told about different characters.

@lustrazor44

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Well lucky for them most of it isn’t worth watching so there won’t be much to catch up on. Scrap boba, ObiWan, half of clone wars, all the sequels and solo and it’s really not that much.

@dentangaji6161

Жыл бұрын

@@lustrazor44 So clone wars aint that good?

Although Andor is the best WRITTEN Disney Star Wars series, I still firmly believe that the Mandalorian tops it purely in terms of replicating that classic action-adventure style of the OG movies.

@siiir1322

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I agree. Quality wise Andor is 1000 times better than every other disney show produced in the last years. Watching andor gives me the same vibes I got while watching breaking bad or Game of thrones, you just know that you are witnessing a masterpiece. But Andor does not have the Star Wars feeling and „I feel like a kid again“ Magic. Now in my opinion Star Wars absolutely does not need that nostalgia drug for every production, but it seems like the majority of fans think otherwise

@daniaaal

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Would you say that if Andor season 2 incorporates for more the light saber + jedi/siths trope while maintaining the quality of writing in Season 1, that Andor truly becomes the best Star Wars show by far (for me, a straight yes if that occurs). I agree. I love Andor Season 1 but Mandalorian is just a fun Star Wars western-style show

Seriously almost canceled my Disney+ subscription until Andor 😁

I think if you ask for a rating of season 2 of Mando again it does a little worse

Im sorry but those who say nay to the show are either too impatient or too casual. I sincerely hope they don’t condescend themselves if they can watch other franchises or genres that have the similar tone and pace of Andor. Andor is easily a four point five to five out of five. Loved it and was happy to be surprised about it despite my curiosity. Lets take this as a big lesson and one quite repeated ofter. “NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER.” Wait to see what happens first. Love Andor. As a Disney StarWars hater myself.

I hate when people don't like what I like! I hate them!! Lmao nah, but it does baffle me that some people don't like this masterpiece! What's not to like?! And I was hooked from the start. Star wars opening scene starts in a brothel!? A dream come true! When I was like 12 I thought I could write an adult star wars novel, which I obviously was not equipped to do, but I tried to basically change pulp fiction into a star wars story...would have been bad ass, but I was 12 and had neither the skill or patience for that shit.

So, in terms of actual quality television/film, Andor really works. My goodness, look at Empire- in 1980, that movie was *terrifyingly adult*. Best Star Wars movie, year after year? Empire. Because it didn't talk down to us.

It’s definitely up there!

What we REALLY need is a show or movie that combines the quality, attention to detail, and character depth of Andor with the whimsy and Space Fantasy elements of a show like Mando or BoBF. THAT would be peak Star Wars. My rating for Andor S1 is a 9.5 out of 10.

@user-yq9im9dk9z

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LOTR trilogy?

@andyb1653

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@@user-yq9im9dk9z Not really. The two franchises are different enough that what works in LOTR won't necessarily work in Star Wars, and vice versa.

I wish I knew you had put a poll up. I never saw it lol

I didn't vote because it needed a 6 star review. And well done Naboo, for the pronunciation on the highest rated comment.

Lucasfilm can’t nail a show centered around Lucas era characters, but crush it when they write stories about new Disney era characters. It wouldn’t surprise me if this was intentional

Thank you for pointing out that people have different opinions and that it's perfectly ok if you like something that everyone else seems to hate or dislike something most people seem to like, I feel like a lot of people really don't get that these days. As for Andor, I definitely did enjoy it and I can say with confidence that is is probably the best written Star Wars show that has ever been released, maybe even some of the best written Star Wars period. However, I personally enjoyed the Mandalorian more simply because it felt more like the classic Star Wars that I've grown up with, having all of those action scenes and keeping me entertained throughout. I'm not saying that Andor's slow pacing is a bad thing, I'm glad they took the time to properly develop the characters and I really liked how they humanized the Imperials rather than just portraying them as incompetent buffoons like a lot of other stuff does. I think I would benefit from a second watch because the plot was so complex compared to what I'm used to that a lot of the details and dialogue went over my head a bit, overall I'd say it was quite good and the few complains I have about it are relatively minor ones.

Mando is my favorit still, I think. Loved the characters and that we good Star wars being Star Wars again after the sequels. But if we then goes into the the build-up, the care and feeling they put in to make a great story. And the character building and acting You feel for everyone, so maybe this is the best ever But it is darker and Mando is more easy and fun. Boba and Kenibi I don't know what they thought The storries did not fitt the actors, still liked to see them, they had a lot of star wars feel to them

Yay! More Naboo on the main channel.

I'd say 4 or 4 1/2. The best part is the characters. Everyone is amazingly written. I love the power-struggle in the ISB. I feel like it really fits with the rest of what we know about the empire. The worst part was probably the heist arc. It just felt like a generic heist movie split into a TV show and with laser guns. It almost felt like filler.

The problem is when Disney turns Jedi into action figures then yeah I don’t want that. If you look at Jedi in something like KOTOR, we are it’s really heavy and philosophy, then yeah I would really want Jedi in it!! Or the old republic or something. If Jedi were done with depth and complexity that is what I like!!!

Every Disney StarWars show will feel cheap to me from here out (Until season 2). I'll argue that Andor was the best on screen StarWars series ever, that includes the original trilogy and prequels. 10% from me.

Luthen will get disintegrated by Boba Fett. Thus eliminating the lead to the organized rebellion and leading to Vader's comment in ESB. Mon and Bail will take over anyways. Wraps up loose ends to lead into Rogue One.

Don't forget the whole issue of Disney keeping Andor several pages deep on Disney+ despite it being the current Star Wars show which surely had to hurt its numbers if subscribers don't know it even exists. not having it front and centre on Disney+ is very very strange

Thanks!

@thorskywalker

Жыл бұрын

And thank you for leaving the comment on the poll!

I was the best written, that’s for sure! But as someone who loves lightsabers and the force, I missed it a bit. Seeing Luke in action at the end of Mando was the most thrilling moment of the shows so far and I would liked a similar scene in Andor. Tony Golroy did such an amazing job directing the Cader scene in Rogue One, I wanna see him do it again.

@JoRoq1

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The lack of lightsabers was the point. Other than a handful like Luthen, Mon Mothma, and Dedra, these were not people involved in the great moments of the galaxy. They had no part in the great movements or plots (except prison labor). They were the common folk, living on the edges and just wanting to be left alone to pursue life. I loved Luke’s return and the Vader scene as well, but honestly I would put Maarva’s brick being used as a club right up with those moments.

@-AtomsPhere-

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@@JoRoq1 i get you, I totally see where you’re coming from, but I also feel like people are mentally splitting the universe into two different “camps” and I don’t like that. As yoda says “the force binds everyone” The force exists in the Andor universe the same as it does in Obi Wan. I think that’s why the Vader scene was SO EFFECTIVE in Rogue One because the whole movie was pretty much the “everyman” pov and then BOOM they’re confronted with the almost mythical Darth Vader. And he fits. He doesn’t take away at all from the grounded nature of the movie. Andor doesn’t have to shy away from the “mythical” to be realistic in the Star Wars universe, what it DOES have is an opportunity to blend the two seamlessly like Rogue One did! I hope that makes sense haha. A Star Wars show that is “grounded and realistic” with just a teeny touch of the “mythical” is like peak Star Wars to me.

@JoRoq1

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@@-AtomsPhere- Vader worked in Rogue One because that was the point where the Rebellion first took direct open action against the Imperial military machine. For all that the Aldhani op was aimed at Imperial operations, it was still just a bank heist. Other operations were terrorist and guerrila tactics - assassination, supply hit-and-run, and sabotage. Eadu and Scarif were the first open assaults on military facilities, making the fledgling Rebel Alliance a more immediate threat worthy of Vader’s personal attention (even setting aside the Death Star element) as Palpatine’s attack dog. The events on Ferrix were beneath Vader’s attention, and even the Inquisitors who were still busy at this point tracking down the remaining Jedi and Maul. Ferrix had no immediate importance to the Empire other than as a backwater member planet that would be kept in line to prove the Empire’s strength and control. We the audience have always had Jedi in nearly every production. They are the central signature element of the franchise. So we the audience have collectively lost the concept that for the common people of the galaxy, even on Coruscant, encountering a Jedi prior to the Clone Wars was a rare event, if not once in a lifetime. Then by the time of Andor, they aren’t around at all except a relative handful in hiding. Barring one hiding out on Ferrix, there would be no reason for a Force-user to get involved in these events.

@user-yq9im9dk9z

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Tony Gilroy didn't direct or write the Vader scene, this is a false-narrative to memory hole Gareth Edwards by KK Lucasfilm. He wasn't listening to her orders, so he got removed, Gilroy only touched up the script at the tail end of the production, it wasn't a reshoot mess like they say.