doesn't matter what the numbers look like for havoc, if they dont completely rework aldrachi reaver or somehow make fel-scarred equal to it in raid people are going to have trouble actually finding DHs for their raid groups in season 1. Even then, fel-scarred would basically just be a damage increase node with no noticeable visuals or cool talents.

@f1sterss

19 күн бұрын

AR isn't that bad. Stop dooming

@zuralani1

19 күн бұрын

@@f1sterss to you maybe, and i'm glad for you if that's the case. I'm simply stating my own experiences and repeating what i have seen by the vast majority of DHs that have tested it, whether that is from them saying it on the beta itself, in the dh discord, in videos, or on the feedback forums. *You* may think that it isn't "that bad" (which is a horrible baseline to start with), but you are in the minority among DHs.

@yeye1600

19 күн бұрын

I think generally the DH team just doesn't seem to play, like and/ or care about DH much. People cry about vengeance being OP while havoc lives in a perpetual state of just not being fun to play even though it would be so easy to make fun, and also not getting any meaningful changes (that are good). Feels like they truly don't want to try to make DH fun

@fcsoce3375

19 күн бұрын

agreed

@zuralani1

19 күн бұрын

@@yeye1600 havoc also used to be the undisputed most loved to hate spec in the game before aug came around. That's why things like mage, warlock, or pally can stay at or near the top for seasons but if havoc is ever top the nerf hammer is coming in hot, because people rage about it significantly more.

Where can i find those talent builds on wowhead? I haven't been able to find beta talent builds

Anyone know how to get details working on beta. I have downloaded newest verison i have tried the alpha version and just gives me erros.

Aug being the mandatory spec in every DG group again.. but now doing a huge dps..

@angelabadzhiev9036

19 күн бұрын

remove this spec FFS

@everjaz

19 күн бұрын

i disagree. its a fun support class to play and its more on par with other mmo's having more than one kind of support class. huge dps is important, but so is good utility and survivability

@tassiopbc

18 күн бұрын

@@everjaz yah.. but we have just 1 suporte class, and this class now do more dmg insted of anothers main DPS classes =D, maybe u are a main aug

@milfordcubicle8511

18 күн бұрын

They should rework shit classes they never fix anyway, like affliction and survival, into support classes. Affliction could focus on debuffing enemies rather than buffing group to fit with class fantasy, and survival somewhere in between or something I dunno. Having just one support class is dumb anyway

@ninedigitlife4983

17 күн бұрын

​@@everjazname the other mmo,s??

where can I see the data?

Would be better if this would include ALL the sub classes and not only the best sub class

Just so you know that log with Death Coil doing a billion damage is someone abusing a bug with Sanlayn.

Seeing all 3 Rogue specs hovering around the bottom for every single list except for one M boss having Sub middle of the pack is absolutely insane. They turned Rogues into these PHD overdesigned specs and they still suck.

@TheKitsuneOnihane

18 күн бұрын

That's partly because they don't know how to design rogues outside of RNG Fiesta or too many cds. Then everything ends up buggy.

@cyborg7244

18 күн бұрын

yea they cant even design one half decent hero tree for rogues

The delta between the lowest and highest is so large it feels like there is nobody at the dev helm tuning sh!t….they’re all playing mage.

where do i find those logs ?

Guys please remember these numbers are basically meaningless until the game goes live, we have many weeks left of big balance tuning changes still to come. It's just fun to look at.

@nickmoro1908

19 күн бұрын

All true, but that rogues have basically no hero talents at 2 months from the release is very worrying...and the main problem is not tuning: they butchered outlaw gameplay with a triple nerf; assa still has a huge dipendency from stealth and sub rotation simply sucks. Also removing the extra range hurts alot. Basically they feel weaker than dragonflight

where can i find those logs ? =)

@Doct0rLekter

19 күн бұрын

Seriously, I’ve been looking for these so much

@curtisthomas7885

19 күн бұрын

@@Doct0rLekter docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xlsweYp1Jz086WRskFAj8dmiXFXIgsxR8wThHxAUYSc/edit?gid=0#gid=0

@curtisthomas7885

19 күн бұрын

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xlsweYp1Jz086WRskFAj8dmiXFXIgsxR8wThHxAUYSc/edit?gid=0#gid=0

@rellip

19 күн бұрын

@@Doct0rLekter docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xlsweYp1Jz086WRskFAj8dmiXFXIgsxR8wThHxAUYSc/edit?gid=0#gid=0

The eye strain as I try to look at these numbers on my phone is lvl 10

@BattousaiHBr

19 күн бұрын

even after zooming i still cant read the dk specs

@Robertdqwqdwqwdqdw

18 күн бұрын

@@BattousaiHBr Might need to get some glasses then 😅

How can you access these data? I can't find them in warcraftlogs

@nikgrubo1041

19 күн бұрын

it seems Izen is just badass content creator who has created those spreadsheets himself by searching wlogs top results.

@2357ys

19 күн бұрын

@@nikgrubo1041 that is not true

@nikgrubo1041

18 күн бұрын

@@2357ys ok :)

I'm here for the unh death could build, it's straight up warcraft 2/3 dk

Can someone make this make sense. How, an AUG evoker does more damage than a rogue.

haw can hav aug evoker as a support clas so much higher dmg than devastation evoker ?

@davidhughes4544

17 күн бұрын

It includes all the DPS increases it is giving all the other classes. It’s raw DPS is much lower

Second. How do I get addons in the beta?

@coomercommander2554

19 күн бұрын

by manually dragging them in.

My current plan is to play mage and monk. I hope the boat does not sink by the xpac...

@Perways

19 күн бұрын

Mage will always be viable it’s toolkit is too strong and intellect being the best buff ingame because not only does it buff the casters but also healers is so valuable paired with strong defensive tool kit they have

I was happy that Marksman finally got some love and now after the nerf it's back in the trash it seems

Why must malefic rapture still be a spell. Please make affliction warlock a regular dot class again, I hate malefic rapture.

Oh god.. Another one of these dps-tier nonsense from a dam beta. I will make this short and give you 2 examples; I play warlock and there are at least 10x talents bugged / not working at the moment - Demo tier set included. And you play shaman and you do know it is gooing to get a big rework very soon yet you are still making these tier-list videos like it is expansion release tomorrow ?

@Darell458

17 күн бұрын

How is it a tier list when he is just looking at logs and discussing how those classes got there?

Another 20% aura rogue buff coming soon

@Jaredius

19 күн бұрын

Which will do nothing.

@m_rod9562

19 күн бұрын

@@Jaredius itll put them a little over the tanks in dps 😂🤣

@TheKitsuneOnihane

18 күн бұрын

Wondering how much more they will grant before rogues get the usual "we think rogues are fine" dismissal.

Well the harder the specc is the more dps it should do. Aint rocket science. Bit apparantly easier specs always do better so harder specs should do more dps

the fact were giving a gaming company money when they spoon feed 1 class (mage) for their entire life is insane

They shit on fire mage...extremly hard... //feelsbadman

My coked our brain is till maining fury

Shadow struggling?

Outlaw rogue dealing tank dmg is a side effect of horrible class design, this design just doesnt work atm and no amount of blanked buffs will fix it

no way bro unironically called arcane op when its just bugged and otherwise would not be anywhere as good

why are 2 dks doing 2x times the dmg of everyone else in the raid? i thought they balanced the game, not that they broke it beyond repair once again

@zuralani1

19 күн бұрын

This is the beta, it's literally not supposed to be balanced yet. There has been a single tuning pass, which was to fix the ones that were doing less than tank damage, but there will be plenty more before it actually goes live.

Aug on top

i'm not even a shaman main but they're spitting in their face at this point ngl

Don’t care about arcane or frost dog speccs, fire is the fun one. Not gonna play mage if they keep it like that

I just don't understand why Blizzard hates arms warrior. Made me quit retail just after 2 months of playing in s3.

@0xSpaceCowboy

18 күн бұрын

Arms is pvp

rogue 3 dps specs all 3 bad, wtf. Blizzard make at least 1 good. how could they fuck up 3 hero specs is beyond me

@zuralani1

19 күн бұрын

to my knowledge rogue still shares a main dev with havoc, which if true means he is at best 0.5/5 for hero specs. Sure *one* of the hero specs for havoc does decent damage in single target, but the gameplay is beyond horrendous. TWW havoc currently is just actively less fun than any version of dragonflight havoc to pretty much everyone that has tested or looked at it (and season 2 havoc wasnt good).

@richiepipes8960

19 күн бұрын

​@@zuralani1 dude needs to be fired yesterday, butchered the only 2 fun classes to play in the game

@yeye1600

19 күн бұрын

​@@zuralani1this explains a lot. I wish I could work for the DH team, seems like everyone there hates DH or doesn't even know what it does😂

@mehmetozturk771

18 күн бұрын

@@zuralani1 Explains a lot, both outlaw rogue and havoc dh revolve around subterfuge/inertia like short duration dmg buffs, horrible game design

Rogue players in shambles. Expecting a 11.1 overhaul at this point.

@Kamia2003

19 күн бұрын

This was before the double digit %damage boosts. I think they were each like 15-20%. It’s a balancing act to see how much all 3 lost since they don’t have dance anymore.

@Jaredius

19 күн бұрын

Make Assassination META Again

@garytheclone1890

19 күн бұрын

​@@Kamia2003 sub still has dance, what are you talking about

Yep not coming back. Mages gonna dominate again. Now the arena tournaments are all gonna be RMP again. Garbage.

@Nhouyengah

17 күн бұрын

DH main detected, opinion rejected.

@DaRougaroux1

17 күн бұрын

@@Nhouyengah 100% Never played a DH main. Never. The only Melee I have played is Death Knight. Only Casters.

ofcourse feral is at the bottom again, blizzard just doesn'ttt give a shiiiiiiiiiiiiit about this spec

I cant understand, is this an italian accent or from a nordic country? Someone help me understand

@Uncreatedd

19 күн бұрын

Its not nordic, dont know about italian but his accent is far from hard to understand tho ? Not sure what you need help with m8😅

@3d1m4nd3r

19 күн бұрын

The problem is not his accent but your level of English. He speaks very clearly and understandably.

I'm glad I care more about fun than min-maxing

@coomercommander2554

19 күн бұрын

i'm glad your content is LFR and world quests, not the high keys i run ❤

If you do not provide datas and sources then it's not worth anything.

Please please please ele shaman

🚨 ARCANE MAGE GOOD 🚨 🚨 ARCANE MAGE GOOD 🚨

Shaman about to be last in a couple days. Hahahahaha

@Guldfisken90

19 күн бұрын

Shamans are nearly always last, we are used to it

@Tiemooo59

19 күн бұрын

@@Guldfisken90yep as enhance main I’m used to that and my plan to reroll fire mage also got destroyed with those too hard nerfs…

It’s quite normal for classes that cannot be anything but dps to be towards the top of the dps chart, it would be dumb otherwise …

@johnnybravo9633

19 күн бұрын

Except for rogue for some reason. They're rarely the top dog or even in the top 5. It's quite frustrating that I can't play my favorite class in high keys because next to no one will take them, then when I do find someone willing to take a rogue, they will only accept one spec because usually only 1 spec is good and the other 2 are absolute trash. I don't think a single dev at Blizzard plays rogue, they can't with how badly the keep fucking things up.

@Guldfisken90

19 күн бұрын

@@johnnybravo9633 Bro you smoking crack, rogues were like one of the top dps from season 1 till 2, and even in s3 they were pumping xD

@-.-Monster

19 күн бұрын

@@Guldfisken90 fr. they had to nerf sub because it was so brokenly over powered

@pettron3506

19 күн бұрын

@@johnnybravo9633 Send me some of that stuff. In raid, they are litterly always top 5 in the last few years, maybe 1-2 tiers not, but mostly a top contender. And for M+, yeah, they were not the greatest/in godcomps. But for bfa+shadowlands, they were always played. and some of them climbed even as a non godcomp player, see jpc, he was one of the best rogues, and played in the top 10 key groups

@marcpaulus6291

19 күн бұрын

@@johnnybravo9633 What is a high key for you? 5? 8? 10? 12? higher? Also you could go find a good Gild or Community were you are not of the mercy of randoms.

For me its really simple they will either make aff lock good this expansion or im just not going to buy it...... im not going to wait for season 4 and blah blah blah while I fight 20iq chimpanzee in arena while monks and dh just murder the dps meters in m+ the whole xpac no it's aff lock on par or bust keep my 60 bucks and my 15 bucks a month

First

Third

I swear to god you're only happy if fire mage is literally below average on every single fight. I have never heard someone complain about mage more than you.

@Tetrathegod

19 күн бұрын

Yeah he just hating

@Jenkyllllls

19 күн бұрын

No class deserves it more. Mage deserves to be dead last on the dps charts for an entire expansion.

@rozeyrosehip

19 күн бұрын

warranted. god damn mage

@ek-ys5ls

19 күн бұрын

Put mages into the dirt 🎉

@TheClownSquad

19 күн бұрын

mage player spotted.

Game looks like shit 😂😂

Don’t care about arcane or frost dog speccs, fire is the fun one. Not gonna play mage if they keep it like that

Don’t care about arcane or frost dog speccs, fire is the fun one. Not gonna play mage if they keep it like that

@Nhouyengah

17 күн бұрын

0 iq take.