I wouldn’t mind these next gen missiles getting added if they would ACTUALLY lower player count, and not just a “chance” at a “smaller” game.

@user-fn5ng2fm6h

14 күн бұрын

100% right

@dustin2264

14 күн бұрын

We need rooms u can join like 4 ×4. , 6×6 , 8×8 , 2×2 been needed

@dwright_origins5157

14 күн бұрын

Counterpoint, I don’t think player count would be a big deal if the maps were 4-5x bigger and more useful things to do besides just A2A. Such as SEAD, better anti-ship weapons and targets to use them on, AWACs, etc.

@raux6812

14 күн бұрын

@@dwright_origins5157 bigger maps would still be the same thing, everyone goes in the same direction and then merge with the other team while the bvr ones go to the sky and die before going to ground

@lukavanwoerkom7283

14 күн бұрын

@@raux6812 thats why they need to make it enduring confrontation. EC, bigger maps with more things to do like more interesting ground targets would also make ground attackers more fun and useful. even making realstic EC with the current maps (so just like sim but then realistic battles) would be a lot better and more fun then what we currently have IMO.

Lower the Match Players first. Not a 0,1% of having a "12v12" wich is still way too much. 6v6 should be normal, and then another mode with 12v12

@philneal3750

14 күн бұрын

6v6 with respawns like ground rb would be best imo, declutters the battlefield but still allows you to get relatively high kill games

@Polish204-3

14 күн бұрын

@@philneal3750 exactly, respawns with Tickets

@atent_free99

14 күн бұрын

Nah, 50 player teams, keep maps the same size. That would be balanced

@BiscuitDelivery

13 күн бұрын

@@atent_free99 yes and give the F-14 an air spawn and lower its BR to 11.0 so it can avoid AMRAMs

@Polish204-3

13 күн бұрын

@@atent_free99 limit the Maps to City and Afghanistan

We need game mode changes before the next gen weapons. We needed those game changes before fox 3’s were added… we need rb EC.

@gonzadiaz3194

14 күн бұрын

What does EC mean

@nikolaideianov5092

14 күн бұрын

​​​@@gonzadiaz3194enduring confrontation If you want an example look into sim Edit: sim air

@nikolaideianov5092

14 күн бұрын

​@@gonzadiaz3194 Eduring confrontation

@PvtPartzz

14 күн бұрын

@@gonzadiaz3194 enduring confrontation. It’s the game mode that you play in sim battles where you get unlimited respawns and can leave the match at your own discretion without being punished. You play it on much larger maps and have varied objectives. It’s far more enjoyable than the 3-5 minute deathmatch that air rb is. At one point, air rb did have an enduring confrontation game mode which people very much enjoyed despite its problems (which have mostly been fixed for sim battles). The prevailing conspiracy theory for why it hasn’t returned is that it would make the game less frustrating to grind through the tech trees therefor hurting gaijin’s premium sales (which would be ridiculous considering that people are happy to spend more money on a game they’re enjoying).

@GoodGuyDevin

14 күн бұрын

@@gonzadiaz3194 enduring confrontation, a type of map in SIM that is like 3x the size of regular maps, has multiple airfields, and way more objectives.

guys just a disclaimer for the people that think the Python-4 is on pair with the 9X, IRIS-T, MICA-IR or ASRAAM, the Python-4 is still a missile with technology from the 80s like the AAM-3 both missiles were developed practically at the same time, the AAM-3 got put in service in 1992 and that thing have IR/UV seeker (Dual-Band), the Python-4 got put in service in 1994 IR/UV too (Dual-Band) both missiles are similar when we talk about IRCCM technology, the only difference here is the special manouvrability that the Python-4 have which is better, but if we compare the AAM-3 and the Python-4 with 9X, IRIS-T, ASRAAM, MICA-IR those are a different breed because they combine a full agressive manouvrability with and incredible IRCCM technology IIR (Imagine Seekers) thing that is a totally whole upgrade on IRCCM performance, soo... this is only a comentary for the ones who are not familiarized with the Python family and think that the Python-4 is a holy missile that would spank buts everywhere this its not the case the missile can be fooled more easier than an 9X, IRIS-T, ASRAAM, ETC, the truly one that you should fear is the Python-5 that thing is a monster of its own but even some missiles like the IRIS-T can beat the Python-5 in some aspects. thank you for dedicate part of your time to read this! have a nice day guys! PS: right now the Baz Meshupar is in a poor state the jet is just an upgraded F-15A which is correct the radar is just a revision of the Normal AN/APG-63 that got upgraded with the ability to use AMRAAMs, right now the Baz Meshupar does not have Datalink soo this mean not datalink channels too to guide multiple amraams and does not have TWS and does not have Radar HMD soo... if we compare the Baz Meshupar with the rest of top tiers right now is in a rough spot, soo... what am saying with this is that in the next major update we have the possibility of getting the Python-4 for the Baz Meshupar in compensation because they can do nothing more about it the radar is just an "improved" APG-63 renamed to APG-63 PSP simple as that, soo maybe the Python-4 would help to make it competitive at closer ranges like it happened with the Netz and like they did with the Kurnass 2K when they removed the Sparrows which is historical correct.

@squarescope3056

14 күн бұрын

I’m pretty sure we don’t have much info on the python 5, so it would be hard to add for gaijin. But hopefully they can figure something out because it would be ashame for Israel to lose out on its best aam.

@-..----.--.-...

13 күн бұрын

​@@squarescope3056 Dude, they have added challenger 3 and 2S38...

@rayhanramanda5303

9 күн бұрын

I would say, Gaijin wouldnt know how to model the Python 5 LOAL mechanic, so they have restraint for that​@@-..----.--.-...

You know what we just need we need like 400x400km maps or just like a mode for air ec it would just be air rb but with like 300x300km or 400x400km maps it would be much more fun the games rn are to fast and just missiles flying around everywhere

@treyfloyd6003

14 күн бұрын

Sim maps, smaller player count

The aim9x uses an IIR seeker, similar to the IR imaging system found on some agm 65’s

@christopherchartier3017

14 күн бұрын

In other words, good luck flaring it. Unless you’re some random ass Su-7

@Floopuss

14 күн бұрын

@@christopherchartier3017also im pretty sure it has a ground lock mode where it can lock onto stuff like the Mavs can

@christopherchartier3017

14 күн бұрын

@@Floopuss that’s kinda funny

@Floopuss

14 күн бұрын

@@christopherchartier3017 imaging just chilling in ur AA and u die and it says AIM-9X, I’d be so mad

@patrioticpanda7618

14 күн бұрын

So does like. Every other missile of the generation

They will probably come with the fa18 and with the eurofighter and ofc su30

Meta wise the best will be without any doubt the MICA, probably the best seeker since it’s one of the most modern, he turn a bit less than the others but still really tight and you would easily get 10+ km kills with it, he also has INS so he can be fired like a fox 3 and lock the target like a fox 3 would do except it’s with a IR seeker and not a radar, just imagine being tracked by an almost unflrable missile that can turn 50G even 7 seconds after launch (he do around 7 to 9km in these 7 seconds, depending on the launch parameters)

@Stannley976

14 күн бұрын

You are gentle with the 10 km it has 60 km of range like the EM version so at 40 it will be already in the air and won't trigger any rwr and have a 20 km seeker just silent death only a MAWS can save you but it will be to close for flares

@blackbite6178

14 күн бұрын

Honestly, anything with at least 30 g is already impossible to dodge just by turning, it has 40 or more, it doesn't matter.

@exonys3838

14 күн бұрын

@@Stannley976 yeah, but I was talking in range for the seeker, but you are totally right and it would be really OP

Keep doing these videos🙏🏼🙏🏼 u r the best🔥🔥

I think we should get jammers first before newer missiles and is there a better way to add it other than with the f18

Oh g-d please no. Thermal imaging fox-2s would be so horrible for gameplay, since they are effectively unflarable.

RIP everyone below 13.0 who ain't getting these :(

@ichosolemanuel6048

14 күн бұрын

wdym will probably be added in 1 year or more

They need to add stuff to do like ace combat, Target rich environment for ground pounders etc.

Short answer, no we're not ready for pattern recognission 60 to 80 g thruat vectoring super mega jard to flare looping missiles

Battles at close ranges are gonna come down to who fires first wins.

@TeamValkyrie2023

14 күн бұрын

That's kind of how it goes irl in combat. Usually the guy that shoots first wins so for all you guys that like realism there you go

@toxickilljoy9037

13 күн бұрын

​@TeamValkyrie2023 actually it's more like "Hey I'm getting shot at here, I'm defending. Can you kill that guy?" "Yes" "Okay, is he dead?" "Yes" "Thank you" Or some variation of that

@simon2493

13 күн бұрын

@@TeamValkyrie2023 Going with realism one will need to position himself before the engagement even starts.

@troy_pl1138

13 күн бұрын

little yes but little no, because if you shoot second, you still shoot so the end of day finally you'll do one for one xd

has anyone had an issue with countermeasures not deploying in air sim even though you've got more than enough. its happened while i flew the f16c and su27. anyone know of a fix?

I think at Christmas we see 4.5 with all new tech at the rate we are going, IR and BVR.

The r74E-Pd would be nice if the matches were smaller

Why wasnt the PL-10 mentioned??

Comedy lies in the fact that we're getting 6v6 again in props but in br's as low as 2.0 while jet tier is the same clusterhell of 10.0 plus going to high altitude maps just to notch towards the mountains.

there also are the long range radar missiles like what the mig-25 carried - and that tech is pretty old for not being in the game yet

@troy_pl1138

13 күн бұрын

Aim-54 phoenix is long range bvr rocket, but yes, he is so old

2 uploads crazy

If they add these new ir missle they need every ir missle take flares

Lets see if gaijin can get their G overloads right on all of these new missiles.

Where AIM-9X

@troy_pl1138

13 күн бұрын

was in movie?

Python 5 will be the lord of IR missiles

@noamax1

14 күн бұрын

Yes but u have a lot of time till then

@gerwhitetiger6386

14 күн бұрын

Not really that will be the IRIS-T rocket. But we'll see when they're in

@noamax1

14 күн бұрын

@@gerwhitetiger6386 the irist is in python 4 level not python 5

@GoodGuyDevin

14 күн бұрын

@@gerwhitetiger6386 we wont see iris-t its just too much of a wild card, imagine some guy flaring it just for it to do a 180 degree turn and re-lock the aircraft, we will see aim-9x and r73m first since even most nato aircraft today still use the 9x, even the gripen has the option use 9x and Iris-T. and the aim-9x is actually somewhat flare-able as we saw with the case of of the f-18 shooting a 9x at a su-22 irl, and the su-22 spoofed the 9x.

@hangar1873

14 күн бұрын

Mica IR above all

yoo matt your upload skedual is mad

Would be nuts.

first they need to make the air battles realistic in SIZE

To be fair a 3v3 would be cool

We need decoys and electrical warfare before we get Aim9X and better 120s (AIM120c) @MatAWG make video on how we can use Electrical warfare in war thunder. Bc we need to shine a light on that.

Would still leave the upgraded Fox-3's up as an option. A lot of people are complaining about the Fox-3's so if they want a more equal Fox-3 fight the Aim-120C-7 and R-77-1 era missiles would definitely even it out

I swear first time I see someone say aim 174 and f18 I'm going ballistic

I just got the f15-c yessir

@141menace

14 күн бұрын

enjoy the stock grind

@lilcj2014

13 күн бұрын

​@@141menacelet a man be happy. Don't remind him about depression

The AAM-3 should have gatewidth + seeker shut off IRCCM.

@patrioticpanda7618

14 күн бұрын

So should magic 2

@aflyingcowboy31

13 күн бұрын

The AIM-9M should have "Flare Rate Bias" and "Push Ahead" IRCCM features.

mica ir are going to be hell, mach 4, 80km range, thrust vectoring with 50g at short range and 30g at long range, gl to flare it, its a unique missile even usa failed making a fox 2 with fox 3 range,

Jus fix the flight models and game modes first

Let’s talk bout HARMS. We got fox 1,2 & 3. I’m sure many people wanna be able to call out magnum and be able to combat the pantsir. Also the real Skyhawk for US. I still want that before anything else

IR missiles are a bit useless now, the lack of range is the biggest problem. Lately 9M is amazing ignoring flares, but because the very short range i dont fire then to much in battles with the gripen, despite have only 4 darter(who is notoriously worse that AIM-120). So, more turn i feel is a bit irrelevant since 30gs is already unavoidable. Better IRCCM(specially for all aspect shots) but mostly range, is what IR missiles need now to be competitive.

Ranked 1v1 when?

I got my role of aluminum foil to drop out my cockpit

Would nice to have but for the love of all things holy we need much larger maps and the smaller matches wpuld be nice to 12 v 12 only works with maps much larger than wht we have.

me who want 64vs64 :(

@gbzin4684

14 күн бұрын

It could work on a G-I-N-O-R-M-O-U-S map. 500km×500km Also, multiple airfields and a limit of type of aircraft. Throw it in the sim tab, crank up the rewards and it should work

@blackbite6178

14 күн бұрын

Don't you know custom battles?

Bro in the current and later on matter IR missile isn't that effective anymore I must be honest with you

In short: if he wants to kill u he will kill u. IRIS-T Has an officel seeker rang about 14km front Aspekte. Thats sounds funny

Asraam and meteor when gaijin?!

@blackbite6178

14 күн бұрын

The meteor is not even remotely close, it has more range than could go from start to finish of the largest map in the game and would have enough energy to hit someone flying cold

Either bigger maps or less players, way bigger maps

IRIS-T has a 100g pull bro

@therealavenger3537

12 күн бұрын

Nowhere close to 100g...

@ex0ghost837

12 күн бұрын

@@therealavenger3537 source?

@therealavenger3537

12 күн бұрын

@@ex0ghost837 i want to see a source for 100g IRIS-T lmfao Tf kinda crack are you on, the performance stats set by the german government and german defense ministry has a 50g overload limit for the AIM-2000 missiles.

We have had the same air rb for 10 years now. How much more cheese are we going to cram into this clusterfuck before we demand change to the game mode that is blatantly insufficient for the technology we have NOW, let alone newer tech.

Next step is Python 4, and later Python 5, 9X etc.

Você é brasileiro?

if yall yapping about the 12 vs 12 of rb then just play sim (pls do we rlly need more people in sim😭😭😭)

IRs are mostly irrelevant in modern aerial combat, dont get me wrong they are insane and in case of a merge it will define who dies or not but getting to merge is something that should be extremely rare with modern Fox 3s...

honestly it would be nice rather than missle spam ir missles actually use effort

@PvtPartzz

14 күн бұрын

@@Russertlog these would be even easier to use than fox 3’s imo. Fire them off with TWS at 30 miles for them to go pitbul with an IR seeker that gives zero warning to the target and then they’re dead. Honestly, this is the first time I’ve looked at newer weapon systems and think they’d be absolutely terrible for the game.

We need new gameplay ! Rocket did hi br almost like shit

Mark my words... out of all of those missiles r73m and r74 will be the worst...as in typical Gayjins fashion...

game is not ready for these advancements

@flymax4066

14 күн бұрын

Yes, they need to change alot to add these type of missiles

It will destroy the game

We need better fox 3s for nations that don't have amraam

@Iden_in_the_Rain

14 күн бұрын

They really need to just fix the issues with the current non-AMRAAM Fox 3s. Well really all Fox 3s need to be fixed, pretty much everyone on the forums has said none of the missiles are performing accurately.

@DeathGodArgon

14 күн бұрын

@Iden_in_the_Rain I wouldn't doubt it, the mica especially seems to death wobble way too much

@harrisonsel34566

14 күн бұрын

@@Iden_in_the_Rainyea I agree who someone who uses 8 amraams on the f15c the way the amraam sustains energy is very good obviously accurately but for the r77 they are not good the r77 sadly is just not modeled right gajin models the energy depletion constantly which they need for the r77 the fins don’t create a lot of drag at supersonic speeds they create a lot of drag in transonic speeds but gaijin does not model them like that sadly

Oh no it's already a pain to avoid the American ones you have to waste a lot of flare

it's already bad enough please no

People still bitching about 12v12 LMFAO im having such a great time in top tier because everything is now equal.... Aim-9X block 1 60g turning and improved aerodynamic design improved flight performance is ok but the Aim-9X-2 is where everything changes 100G turning extremely good IRCCM very improved performance and datalink wide FOV seeker meaning if it misses you it will turn around and try and hit you again we are getting to the point in warthunder air RB where US will constantly be dominating the sky with all the available public knowledge of these aircraft and missile systems because other countries dont release this much info about the missiles and jets they have

US mains in the comments: its not enough that we have the best radar, most CMs, best fox-3s, and most OP flight models! We need the best fox-2s too, otherwise russian bias and unfair!!!1!

@blackbite6178

14 күн бұрын

It is because the R77 is poorly made, many pages say that it should have a little bit more range than the aim120, like 2km or 5 km, but because of its fins, it loses more speed in turns, in the game it loses speed by going straight without doing anything, it has less range than a sparrow at 12km is already subsonic doesn't make sense lol and the seeker is garbage it only works in head on,

@Im-getting-shadowbanned

14 күн бұрын

Russian mains having for over a year the best missile(R27) ingame(and maybe still being the best), while 7F/7M was underperforming and bugged, a huge biased ground top tier, with still biased Ka50/52, and Kh29/38 being absolutely OP, while AGM-65 was usseles for over 2 years until now: The game is balanced. Russian mains when USA is good in top tier for 1 patch(only Air, in ground top tier is dogshit): Why US mains complain?

@blackbite6178

14 күн бұрын

@@Im-getting-shadowbanned but if in the previous patch you flew low and the r27 and aim7m went to the ground, and the r27er was the only option that Russia had, the r27r was worse than the matra super and it was also better but the aim7m was the second best, the helicopters all They are the same, we are talking about the fact that now the R77 is the worst of all, I have the USA, Germany and Russia and I am going up to France and nmms I can tell you that the aim7m worked well for me, it is the people who do not know how to use the radar or who Throw it too far or like all missiles you fly low and the missile doesn't hit you, pure skill issue on your part Also, I am not main USA or main Russia, I am main Germany. In addition, the Maveric, the Russians had a maximum of 4 kh29, the F16c has 6 Maverics plus 2 guided bombs and everything with the camera that has thermal, and the Abrams that I tell you, even if they put the Abrams abrams is an inferior design added to the fact that there are pure wallet warriors who don't know how to play and choose usa because it is the most popular and come out crying like you and I don't understand how you say the agm65 were useless, maybe they missed 1 out of 6 because of a tree or building but if you launch them flying high there is no anti-aircraft or tank that can do anything Also in the previous one they had the f16c and the f15a previous the f14b in the previous one the f16a that flew like a ufo and had the 9l that at the time were broken before that the f14a that was still broken with the aim54 I don't know what you are saying that only 1 patch are you crazy The closest thing Russia had to compete was the Mig29a, which only had 2 useful missiles, and the Su27, which was better than other things, but the Gripen was the best of that patch.

@aflyingcowboy31

13 күн бұрын

@@blackbite6178 "It is because the R77 is poorly made, many pages say that it should have a little bit more range than the aim120, like 2km or 5 km" Yea no, the AIM-120 is still underperforming according to declassified documents that were actually given in bug reports. Russia's range figures come from extremely high altitude tests, the people who told you it should outperform the AIM-120 are simply hoping/biased into believing this, I have not seen any actual evidence/proof to backup their claims other then "trust me bro". "and the r27er was the only option that Russia had, the r27r was worse than the matra super and it was also better but the aim7m was the second best" This is a complete lie, the R27R already outperforms the AIM-7F/M, the R27ER did not need to be added whatsoever. "and the Abrams that I tell you, even if they put the Abrams abrams is an inferior design" There is actually nothing wrong with the M1s design, the fact you think how it is in game is how it is IRL is shockingly sad.... The inferior designed tanks are the T series tanks which is why Russia needs their 20-15 - 2020 tanks to fight 1990 - 2006 tanks..... "I am going up to France and nmms I can tell you that the aim7m worked well for me" Complete lie, literally everyone in the community (even MATAWG) acknowledged the AIM-7s were not even close to competitive against the R-27ER, you straight up had to hope they would at least go for your target or that you weren't facing a Russian plane because you would lose that encounter 100% of the time. "come out crying like you and I don't understand how you say the agm65 were useless, maybe they missed 1 out of 6 because of a tree or building but if you launch them flying high there" hahaha, mate, how are you so full of it? Even if they hit something they did no damage, that's why Gaijin completely reworked their damage models in this update.... "f16a that flew like a ufo" So IRL the F16 flies like a UFO then? Because according to actual bug reports and Gaijins comments the F-16s are actually practically spot on performance wise when compared to their IRL performance data sheets. " don't know what you are saying that only 1 patch are you crazy The closest thing Russia had to compete was the Mig29a, which only had 2 useful missiles, and the Su27, which was better than other things, but the Gripen was the best of that patch." Are you crazy? The R-27ER was singlehandedly the best missile in the game for 1.5 years..... Gaijin did not even try to give other nations better missiles.

@aflyingcowboy31

13 күн бұрын

@@blackbite6178 "It is because the R77 is poorly made, many pages say that it should have a little bit more range than the aim120, like 2km or 5 km" Yea no, the AIM-120 is still underperforming according to declassified documents that were actually given in bug reports. Russia's range figures come from extremely high altitude tests, the people who told you it should outperform the AIM-120 are simply hoping/biased into believing this, I have not seen any actual evidence/proof to backup their claims other then "trust me bro". "and the r27er was the only option that Russia had, the r27r was worse than the matra super and it was also better but the aim7m was the second best" This is a complete lie, the R27R already outperforms the AIM-7F/M, the R27ER did not need to be added whatsoever. "and the Abrams that I tell you, even if they put the Abrams abrams is an inferior design" There is actually nothing wrong with the M1s design, the fact you think how it is in game is how it is IRL is shockingly sad.... The inferior designed tanks are the T series tanks which is why Russia needs their 20-15 - 2020 tanks to fight 1990 - 2006 tanks..... "I am going up to France and nmms I can tell you that the aim7m worked well for me" Complete lie, literally everyone in the community (even MATAWG) acknowledged the AIM-7s were not even close to competitive against the R-27ER, you straight up had to hope they would at least go for your target or that you weren't facing a Russian plane because you would lose that encounter 100% of the time.

Aim-9X should be in-game long time ago. There is currently no ways to counter R-73 in close combat. I personally made some kills with R-73 at insane agnles which would be impossible with any other missile in the game.

@elo4998

14 күн бұрын

nice bait

@mesobean

14 күн бұрын

Skill issue

@Iden_in_the_Rain

14 күн бұрын

They could’ve added a prototype AIM-9X with only 50G, wouldn’t have been that busted seeing how the AIM-9M and R-73 also have a 10G overload difference

@SovietUnion_

14 күн бұрын

Nice bait bud. No way to counter R73 is beyond skill issue. Preflare and slight turn is all it takes to defeat the missile, while you have to do calculus to dodge Aim9M.

@Lulzwhat

14 күн бұрын

@@SovietUnion_ You can flare any missile, but you cant hit the target with any missile on such angles like R-73 potentially can.

I hope they don't add new missiles.The fox threes have ruined war thunder at top tier.

@Swordfish-kb3qj

14 күн бұрын

They haven’t completely ruined it tho it just changed the meta to trying to stay alive unless your stock then top tier is cooked

@harrisonsel34566

14 күн бұрын

They haven’t ruined them it’s just 16v16 on 150x150 km is what’s is bad if we had 10v10 8v8 on 350 km maps it would be much more fun trust me

@manxmotorsportsOG

14 күн бұрын

​@Swordfish-kb3qj I partially agree, they could start improving the game by revising the stock grind idea by making it different in some way, it makes no sense why they're doing it the way they're doing it...

@manxmotorsportsOG

14 күн бұрын

​@harrisonsel34566 I don't know man, it was a alot more fun before, I've got the gripen c and the f15 like I've got these planes it's just not very fun

like my comment

@JohnBlacksmith-bk4rd

14 күн бұрын

NO

@sl0doodles513

14 күн бұрын

Nuh uh lil bro

@MMgames12

14 күн бұрын

Nope

@yusufayberkabrams926

13 күн бұрын

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