Give the F-14A the Aim-9L and move it to 12.0 and give the F-14B Aim-9M and move it to 12.3. If they buff the phoenixes to their actual stats (Mach 5+, 22-25Gs, energy improvements, correct lofting profile, etc..) move them both up 0.3 BR more. Simple.

@y.m.9277

15 күн бұрын

This makes a lot of sense.

@jinkxer1

15 күн бұрын

they should honestly just add modification specific brs

@skkrodo2621

15 күн бұрын

My toughts exactly

@GRNbull98

15 күн бұрын

They need to give the F-14A an upgrade module that brings it up to the F-14A late standard with the improved RWR that can detect PD emissions. Currently, the F-14A basically steamrolls everything below 11.7 but if you put it up against 11.7+ planes with radars that aren’t detectable by its RWR, its basically helpless in a bvr fight. F-14A is in a similar spot to the F-4F ICE but it could be remedied with an upgrade module that gives it AIM-9Ls and a better RWR

@mikeyplayz8438

15 күн бұрын

@@jinkxer1they really should. Planes like the F16C have Aim-120D and Aim-9X. No way in the future they won’t upgrade it.

If they buff the AIM-54 up to 25Gs, and increase the loft then the F-14A could go up to 12.0, even 12.3, or even 12.7 because in retrospective who wants to face an AIM-54 that perform like an AIM-7F. 12.7 both F-14A and B with AIM-9L to the A and AIM-9M to the B.

@danielwang6201

15 күн бұрын

and finally F-14D at 13.0, then we have 3 actual top tier jets in US

@DevinEMILE

15 күн бұрын

I mean they'd just be the best planes at that BR. Like the tornado and the phantom sit at 12.7 and they are far worse then the Tomcats in everything other then missiles that they could give the F14s. Guess it wouldn't matter anyway, the Tornado and the Phantoms suffer anyway, adding another plane that stomps their shit in wont change anything.

The compression needs to be fixed, its no longer about flight performance but now all about missile performance. in areas where flight performance makes a difference in now less likely to happen with all the missile busses in the game 10- early IR no fox1 (balance purpose for 9.0 aircraft that have no RWR) 10.3-11.0- stage 1 early IR early SARH ACM no PD 11.3.11.7 Some SARH with PD for planes limited to 2 fox1 or very low missile load out with average flight performance (early f4s no PD, early mirages, f104s (Stage 2) late Migs) 12.0-12.7- stage 2 All aspect IR SARH with PD (some IRCM for planes with bad flight performance, F14 be here) (f14s early mig 29 Mig ML/MLD late F4s PD, Missile trucks) 13.0-13.7- Early F16a early F15 Su27 Late Mirages (IRCCM PD required) F16 ADF 14.3-14.7- All Fox3 J8f AV8 F16c F15c/j (15.0 only for f15) su27sm this should be its own area to separate missile performance from fox3 away from fox1

Literally a perfect example of how one plane can be OP at one BR then completely underpowered and useless at another BR.

@fate3071

14 күн бұрын

I garuntee it would still be competitive at higher BRs. The Phoenix has so much further range than other Fox-3's that they would still put people on the defensive long before AMRAAMs started getting slung around

@jaek__

11 күн бұрын

@@fate3071 they dont, anytime you pit a aim 54 against a aim 120 or pl 12 the amraam is almost always fired first, hits first, and decides the fight going foward, the phoenix simply cannot compete

is it better to have a single plane getting stomped only by planes 1.0 above it, or multiple planes getting stomped by a single plane in it's same tier?

Obviously need to go up. If you play anywhere around 11.0, f14s will regularly wipe out 4-5 people before the merge. There is nothing giving out free kills more than the f14 right now.

@haloblokbuster7991

9 күн бұрын

Actually, F-14s are easy to kill. The aim 54s suck. All you need to learn is notching and you will defeat the aim 54; they are so easy to dodge. It’s actually just a skill issue when you die to them.

@jerryjohnson5329

9 күн бұрын

Idk I’ve seen multiple games where they get 4-5 kills before the merge as well it’s kind of wild

YES, i think the f14a can hold up in 12.0, cuz having the ability to get in the same match with 10.7 planes is just plain unfair

Idk I see them in my down tiers a lot and kill them pretty easily but half my team don’t know to to deal with them and they just become phoenix food

sure, if AIM-54s are buffed to their actual capabilities

I think the fact that loads of people bought the j35xs also contributes to this thing being insane now since it doesnt even get a radar warning reciever.

Even at 12.0 the F14A is top dog confidently atm. The issue is that 12.0 Right now is NEVER getting uptiered. I'm getting it once out of maybe 20 games. Everyone is grinding with their 11.3 premiums so you're really punching down. The F14's (both) are absolutely dominating lobbies atm. Even the Av8b+ isn't stomping as hard (there are less so that could be the issue). I think we desperately need some more decompression because 12.7 vs 13.0 (.3 increase) feels almost unplayable however if you moved them down its the same exact issue.

We need loadout based brs and it’d be a good 12.0 & 12.3, a stock f14a has no business at 12.0, but a spaded one can still compete. Similar thing with the B

No, they shouldn’t. All they need to do is make missile based multipathing, which would mean AIM-54A cannot hit targets below 200m

@markcorrigan3930

15 күн бұрын

This. The AIM-54 having the same performance as the aim-120/R-77 is crazy

@SalSal-om1en

15 күн бұрын

Irl aim 54 went Mach 5 and could pull 20-30 G

@SalSal-om1en

15 күн бұрын

Normal aim54/a/b went Mach 4

@TheRealSteve42

15 күн бұрын

@@SalSal-om1en It’s 25G. Yes, that’s perfectly fine, it should be performing as such, however, the AIM-54A’s analog avionics could not track aircraft at low altitude, that is what I am trying to say. This is actually a specific improvement for the C model, where its digital avionics allowed it to track sea-skimming cruise missiles, which should reduce the multipath effect to nearly zero.

@finnm.2582

15 күн бұрын

@@SalSal-om1enand it couldn‘t be fired over land, at least the AIM-54A. Besides that the Phoenix was built to engage high flying bomber formations and not fighter jets.

We simply need an overall higher battle rating. 13.0 is not enough to squeeze all aircraft in. Would result in higher queue times though..

@camilorodriguez5602

12 күн бұрын

i wouldnt care if it guaranteed not facing arh missiles in a plane with 12 CMs total

I was trying to fly one of the mig-21s at 10 something br and the tomcat was hitting me with no warning at all it seemed, this was in sim .

if they do not update the armament it is impossible to have them up in BR. But given what we know of GJ they will bring F-14D with AIM-9M and upgraded Phoenixes and put it on 13.0 . They won't ever change 14A and B . Now if they fix the Phoenix correctly (25G, correct lofting etc. , guidance etc.) Both A and B are 0.3 up. B with AIM-9M and correct AIM-54C is 0,7 up. But as they appear now, just because GJ, they can't go up...

6v6 matches with only a 0.3 or 0.4 br spread?

Right now F14A is AWESOME.

On one hand i think there needs to be something a bit lower than 12.3 that introduces fox 3 but on the other hand this thing can see stuff that doesnt even have RWRs lol

I think they should give the f14a the aim9Ls and the aim7m and then buff the aim54a-aim54c to 22-25 ggs and give the f14a have a br of 12.0 the give the f14b the aim9m and the aim120 and move it up to 12.7 boom 🤯 best f14s ever

I say. Give the F-14A its AIM-54A Mk 60 Booster and AIM-9L and put it at 12.3. Then, give the F-14B its AIM-54A Mk 60 Booster, AIM-54C Mk 47 Mod 1 Booster, AIM-7P, AIM-9M and put it at 13.0 and Increase the loft angle of the Phoenixes.

Oi, finalmente um assunto que consigo falar com propriedade. Passei o mes de junho inteiro jogando tanto com F14A e F14B, upando ambos do 0, um verdadeiro inferno. Vamos comecar pelo F14A: voce está certo, ele jamais deveria ir contra avioes como J35, Mig 21 SMT, F5E, F4F Early, Mig 23BN entre outros. No tier que ele está, ele se apresenta como o principal counter do Mirage F1c, que infelizmente está em um BR mais baixo ainda que o Tomcat e destroi todos os avioes que citei acima. Colocar o F14A em 12.0 nao vai permitir que esse faça BVR com eficiencia para parar os aviões como F4S, Mig 23ML e Mirage F1c (os 3 tem RWR que alertam contra misseis inimigos). Por conta dos flares. O F14A tem acesso apenas a 60 flares e sua permanencia na partida é limitada por conta disso (é impossivel derrotar Magic 2, R60MK e AIM9L no Tomcat mesmo usando todos os seus flares.)

F14s are clubbing 10.7 rn 😭

I would even go as far to say that the F-14A needs to go to at least 12.3 and the F-14B to 13.0, give the F-14A access to AIM-9L and the F-14B AIM-9M and it is good to go. Oh, and please increase the BR of the AV-8B to 13.0 because having access to AIM-120s at this hilariously low BR is a warcrime.

yeah when i play the f14 it does feel unfair its tricky with the f14a because of its rwr and engines but yeah its a bit strong where it is

At the current states there really isnt any other br to go

@fate3071

14 күн бұрын

They could easily go up to 12.0 and 12.3 and still be competitive. No fox-3's below 12.0

I am soviet main and i never had issue dealing with f14 in my mig21 and mig23 never afraid of phoenixes they are easy to dodge But f14 with aim7f is scary specially with such a good radar In the end i think they are perfect where they are can't wait to play them

I see F14 and go OHhh HOTT, then he’s dead 😵

i play 11.3 french and 80-90% maches play in 12.0 and much players say f14 need a buff omg what a balanc really this plane is a no skill plane fire pfonixes and waith...

+1 new br for f14 pls

Not really, they’re perfect where they are, only thing id say is move the F14B to 12.3 with 9Ms just to make it useful in uptiers but a 12.7 f14d may be coming soon

@mikeyplayz8438

15 күн бұрын

You do realize the F-14 is basically a navy strike eagle right? It’ll probably have Aim-120s and it will have the best radar in the game (going completely cold will still hold lock)

@ThePrimordialArchon

15 күн бұрын

@@mikeyplayz8438 it wont and cant get aim120s, everyone who says that never actually researched it themselves, the aim120 was only CARRIED by the F14A in trials but its radar was never compatible and it used another jet (most likely the F18) to fire them off them F14 after acquiring the target remotely from the other jet. All it did was function as extra storage for another jet which made the amraams addition functionally worthless Its not a navy strike eagle since it has much weaker engines and its wings are prone to snapping in high G turns which is conveniently what the F15 is extremely good at. It’ll be 12.7 at best carrying aim54C’s, sparrows and Aim-9Ms. The navy doesn’t have a jet for a strike eagle comparison since the F/A-18 super hornet is a F16C/D equivalent.

@mikeyplayz8438

15 күн бұрын

⁠@@ThePrimordialArchonit’s interesting you say that because if you had actually researched you would’ve seen almost the exact opposite. The F14A used was a special variant of the F-14A. The Aim-120 was integrated virtually into the F-14D. Let’s say the F-14D stayed in service for 3 more months, it would’ve gotten the Aim-120 100%. The second paragraph just shows you really have no idea what you’re talking about, so I think it’s safe to stop the conversation here. Google is your friend, don’t brag about using it, actually do please😉

@sankyu3950

15 күн бұрын

​@@mikeyplayz8438i can only hope my tom cruise with amraam 😭🙏

@CallofWarQC

15 күн бұрын

Why so keen on F-14D getting AIM-120s? I’d rather have historical AIM-9M+AIM-54C loadout at lower BR than AIM-120s at the same BR than other planes with much better flight model

ngl f14 still rock in 13.0 it aim 54 still got most of the range in fox 3 battle bring 3 aim 54 tws the one who fly high boom 3 ez kill

To answer your question: the F-14’s shouldn’t be moved until the flight models on all of the swing wing aircraft are corrected

@francogaray2649

15 күн бұрын

The mig-23 platform was already corrected (nerfed asf)

@TheRealSteve42

15 күн бұрын

@@francogaray2649 That’s because the MiG-23 was not designed for manueverability, they were overweight and not manueverable. The MiG-23 was a similar Soviet Union bluff to the MiG-25. It appeared manueverable and resulted in the US developing more manueverable lightweight counters to it, such as the F-16, however it turned out to be a steel airframed bus. It’s got tiny wings for its weight. Meanwhile, the F-14 was designed for manueverability. Although it is quite large and heavy, its airframe was designed with a combination of steel and other lightweight metals, making it relatively lightweight for its size as well as having an absolutely MASSIVE lifting body design. Being a carrier born aircraft, the F-14 is required to have a very very low stall speed and have good control effectiveness at low speeds, making it an EXCELLENT dogfighter. Overall, the F-14 will not be effected by the nerfs that apply to the MiG-23, and in a sense it may actually be underperforming.

@user-jy6cn3jy8g

15 күн бұрын

@@TheRealSteve42you do realize that this thing even rn is better in 1C and stall speed fights than the Su-27 and outrates literally EVERY plane in the game (including the F-16A) with its 27deg/s sustained turn rate at 800kph, it’s just your hands and how mouse aim + instructor works, in DF turn full real control on, keep your speed at 800kph in rate fight (you can also turn SAS damping on to make it easier to control speed) or pull up to 100deg of AoA (it might be tricky for the first time and req to use rudder right and use it a lot cause otherwise the plane will perform a kvochur bell by itself which causes complete stalling = death) depending on what plane you’re facing and then there’s no plane in the game that can do shit in both 2C and 1C against the F-14 (well, only M2K can compete in stall speed fight against the tomcat). And you want to buff it even more? It’s already busted af and at its BR it has no planes to counter it in both DF and BVR (except for the M2KC-S4/5 which also must be moved up to at least 12.0) The problem of this plane in rate fight is similar to the Su-27’s one (which also has kinda OK sustained turn rate at 800-900kph - around 23deg/s which is the same as F-16C’s max sustained turn rate): if you made a mistake and became slower than your opponent - you’ll never be able to recover speed back without losing a lot of position due to lack of engine power (Su-27 has the same problem but not because of its engines are weak but because it has 2x higher bleed rate per AoA than it has irl so it also can’t recover any speed in turns without reducing AoA to 5-15deg depending on current speed) and all you can do in this case is to try to force 1C but any experienced enough player will negate it and eventually will get your 6 so this plane req a lot of energy management in 2C fight and a lot of practice in high AoA aka 1C fights

@MqncoMarepoto

14 күн бұрын

​@@TheRealSteve42the F-16 is NOT the counterpart of the MiG-23 tf are u talking abt😂😂😂

No the f14’s were fucked when they had to play against 12.7 jets that are now 13.0 why would we fuck them again ( if you can’t dodge a phoenix then get better )

@Spartans5499

15 күн бұрын

Sure, I will try to fight an F-14 with no countermeasures where it's a death sentence. 👍🏻 they need to get moved up and at least get better IR missiles.

@Johnathan-mj4ei

15 күн бұрын

how tf do you evade them?

@Bebdhbsvssbshdbd

15 күн бұрын

@@Johnathan-mj4ei bro don’t fly low they will hit ground and kill you bc of the big explosive mass and dodge it like you would dodge a aim7f w/ notching

@Bebdhbsvssbshdbd

15 күн бұрын

@@Spartans5499 bro what vehicle are you playing against an f14 with that has no countermeasures?

@AnthonyCastillo-sw7nv

15 күн бұрын

@@Bebdhbsvssbshdbdnone because they made it up

For me it's annoying to play a 11.3 aircraft and get immediately shot down by a f14a but you get used to it changing the br will make people cry and complain so just leave it alone

If anything, the B model should get its Aim-9Ms and push up to 12.3.

Dude, published 40 seconds ago still not the first to comment lmao

@ThePrimordialArchon

15 күн бұрын

@@y.m.9277 yeah the first comment was unfortunately my breakdown of why its a horrible idea to move them up unless the F14B gets 9Ms and F14A gets 9Ls

The a should go to 12.0 or 12.3 with aim 9l and the the b should go to 12.7 with aim9m because worse missiles than the f4ice but better plane by alot so..... But it ahould not see 10,7 planes, they dont have rwr often or enough chaff to defeat the phoenix. There is no reason to let the f14 stomp a whole br bracket, so up with it

@DevinEMILE

15 күн бұрын

Meanwhile the F3 Late is just worse then the phantoms airframe and will just continue to get its shit pushed in by pretty much anything that decides they want it dead.

No.

No ! jus cause you die or struggle against it does not mean it needs a higher BR it can not be moved up you move it up it'll get ripped apart by fox 3's and if you fly an F4 plane lul rip anyways

Get outta here with your garbo. Lol I just made it here!

no

No, the BR doesn’t need to change. People’s tactics need to change, and they need to get better.

We should put the f-14s in 12.7 and the f-4f at 12.0

@mikeyplayz8438

15 күн бұрын

No. Just no. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

@Dark_flame_

15 күн бұрын

You neither aim 54 shouldn't be close to 11.0 aircraft​@@mikeyplayz8438

@Hfchgdhijgvv

15 күн бұрын

F-14S? Are we playing the same game? There are only F-14A and B.

@Johnathan-mj4ei

15 күн бұрын

@@Hfchgdhijgvv i think he meant the F-14's in the plural, but he forgot to put the apostrophy

@Johnathan-mj4ei

15 күн бұрын

that could be arguable for the F-14B, but for the A version, no. but i agree with the F-4F, it should def get downed

The Tomcats are fine where they are, they are not any better now, they are just not getting steam rolled anymore by the top tier jets.

I hope both are going up , aim 54 wich got more pull and now with reduced multipathing is just too good

Another take: NO. They are the perfect teaching tool for those BR brackets they are in. A new person gettiing into the ARH spam fest that is TT wont stand a chance. Better have a learning rope for them. Phoenixes are easily dodged. The new ARH missiles not necessarily.

@Yucioq-

14 күн бұрын

The new arh missiles are easily dodged tho they have very much less range then Phoenix so you just gotta turn away crank and notch and easy defeated but if I play in 10.7 with a plane that doesn't even get a rwr or many cm it's horrible fighting against those Phoenix spammers

The people complaining need to actually learn missile evasion. The pheonix is easy to dodge. Just go cold and recommit after you run the it out of energy.

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No it shloud not its sits fine now with the f16a/f4s....