" Man O War" 's progeny dueling it out in "The Race of the Century". What better testament of "Man O War"'s greatness could there be ??

@agoogleuser4443

3 жыл бұрын

😁 Couldn't have said it better myself! MOW really was the "mostest hoss."

Both were great horses and both Man o'War descendents.

LOVE WAR ADMIRAL!! My pony is related to him!! :D

Seabiscuit dominated no doubt but honestly, I'm intrigued War Admiral and Seabiscuit were both descendants of Man O War-the undefeated! I just love these horses...

@tubeyhamster

6 ай бұрын

Man o’War lost one race of his 21 starts.

@sheilatruax6172

2 ай бұрын

War Admiral, son. The Biscuit, grandson. And Man o' War's bloodline, in direct male line descent, is almost gone. So sad.

Seabiscuit put in a track record performance. The clock has the last word, it was not War Admiral having a slow race, and Seabiscuit a less slow one; Seabiscuit won. This does not diminish the greatness of War Admiral in my opinion. Both horses were very obviously great ones.

@stevek8829

4 жыл бұрын

Time only matters to a man in jail.

@CajunA79

2 жыл бұрын

Seabiscuit never ran any of the important races.

@bubba9985

Жыл бұрын

​@@CajunA79Sweetie - Biscuit set the track record and beat WA. WA time was his fastest for 1 and 3/16, so he did not have a off day. Anyway they were both great

@brucerobbins6528

Жыл бұрын

@@stevek8829 Out of the mouth of Ben Jones, the trainer of the great Citation!!! But try to tell that to a Secretariat fan. Time is EVERYTHING to them!!!

@stevek8829

Жыл бұрын

@@brucerobbins6528 Bruce, time does matter...when you set world records. It just doesn't tell the full tale of the difficulty of a race. Yea, I'm also a Sec fan. His monster move in the Preakness was unparalleled and will not be seen again. He stayed wide and there was no race. He stayed wide and passed them like a train passing hobos. The Belmont is still a standing world record for any age or weight. The Derby is still a standing track record. For 50 years! It's like what defense is there for a traitorous revolutionary? When you win! Well it's time to pick a Derby winner now. Only two more days. Good luck.

Wasn't man o' war, war admirals sire nd seabiscuits grandfather?..

Beautiful documentary about War Admiral.

The movie lied about that. The Admiral was 15hh, same as Seabiscuit. And Biscuit was a grandson of MOW, and Admiral was a son. AKA, Admiral was Biscuit's uncle in a sense.

One of the ancestors of my horse. 🌟

@garrisonnichols7372

2 жыл бұрын

That's cool! Seriously that's like having royalty in your family.

American Pharoah's grandsire, Empire Maker, was a descendant of some of War Admiral's best descendants: Dr. Fager, Buckpasser, and Swaps. War Admiral's son, Mr. Busher, joins his full sisters, Busher and Striking, as antecedents of a Triple Crown winner. War Admiral, himself, is an antecedent of three Triple Crown winners: Seattle Slew, Affirmed, and American Pharoah. Empire Maker was also a descendant of War Relic's (Man o' War's son) tail male line (through In Reality).

No much shorter. There was some poetic license in the movie Seabiscuit. They falsely reported War Admiral's height.

Rest in Peace ,Admiral

War Admiral is my horse 4th great grandsire. Wow. What an honor to have a part of racings greatest

thanks much for sharing this, been looking for good War Admiral videos for some time now (yet I was stupid enough not to look from KZread). I don't really know which one is favourite from those two great horses, Seabiscuit and War Admiral, even though I think Admiral looks better. Both are anyway very closely related to my all time favourite, Man O'War.

AWW I've ridden war admirals great great grandson named pistol Pete!

You can speak of any number of great horses back then but at that time it was only Seabiscuit that gave the Country the hope it would win again...If he could win then the people could make it back on there feet...

I'm just now going back to looking at the TC winners before Secretariat. Mr. Admiral seemed a little temperamental coming out of the gate but a brilliant horse. He got the job done.

@brucerobbins6528

Жыл бұрын

Citation 1948, the last before Secretariat, , Wirlaway, 1941, Count Fleet, 1943, War Admiral, 1937, Gallant Fox, 1930, to name a few..

My horse's great great great great great great great uncle.

narrated by the great Jim McKay.

@agoogleuser4443

3 жыл бұрын

I love his voice. I listened to him growing up on Wide World of Sports. Happy times.

It is too bad that Seabiscut was not burried by his grandfather and uncle! All three were outstanding horses!

Hey, that horse, War Admiral is my horse's great great grand father

thank god you said that the movie lied about that, admiral is about 15'2 ish. both biscuit and admiral are undersize.

In response to the question as to what color War Admiral was, I do not know if the it is still the practice but in War Admiral's time a horse's registered color was largely determined by the color of the nose/muzzle at the time of filing. War Admiral was listed as a bay, but he become much darker as he grew. All contemporary accounts I have seen say the horse was essentially black, though perhaps not a true, deep black, which is a rare color in thoroughbreds (as is true white).

@agoogleuser4443

3 жыл бұрын

I think he was a very dark bay, which almost looks black but probably had some lighter color on the underparts. Just speculation on my part.

@hyenaloaf1858

3 жыл бұрын

@@agoogleuser4443 that would be a brown, which looks similar to a darker bay but is caused by a completely different gene

OF COURSE THE BOY WON THE TRIPLE CROWN, HE IS JUST LIKE HIS DADDY MAN O WAR "FAST"

@jasonwiggins6137

4 жыл бұрын

@Smogger911 Steroids and PED'S which have been prevalent since the late 60's have played a significant role as well. Many have had fertility issues associated with steroid abuse.

@jasonwiggins6137

4 жыл бұрын

@Smogger911 Most definitely. It was a shame that he was found to be sterile. He's the end of his line.

Yup, but remember I didn't make this. I love Admiral. I think he would have won any other day, as well.

The Admiral was a greater horse than Seabiscuit. I have always thought this and always will. A lot of people want to generalize him as "overrated" some such crap just because he lost the damn race to Seabiscuit. What a lot of people don't know is that the race favored the Biscuit from the beginning. Admiral had a history of not running well on the track. Anyways, The Admiral was a beautiful horse with a great legacy that he deserves to have all to himself, not constantly compared to Seabiscuit.

I hate that the match race is what War Admiral is best known for because of the movie Seabiscuit. In all honesty I think if Seabiscuit and War Admiral had a rematch it would have been different. But the truth is both were amazing racehorses. And both are related to Man o' War so that's just going to show how great Man o' War really was.

I loved it. In my opinon, the Adimral was far better then Seabisciut. He was just "off" the day of the race. The person that set it up even said he shouldn't have. That the Admiral wasn't ready.

@HarbingerOfBattle Post positions aren't decided by how good or bad a horse is. They are randomly drawn.

Agree! Totally! Perhaps War Admiral just had a bad day or was not feeling up to par that day. Seabiscuit of course was great but they should not take anything away from the spectacular War Admiral.

@agoogleuser4443

3 жыл бұрын

That's possible. Even the great Secretariat lost to Onion in the Whitney when he was running a low grade fever.

@danbev8542

3 жыл бұрын

According to Hildebrand’s book, Seabiscuit was famous for intimidating other horses. The SB team strategy was for the two horses to run together until Seabiscuit ‘broke’ WA. Also, Tom Smith spent days before the race training Seabiscuit to start like a rocket. Read the book! It’s great!

thats my horses great great granddaddyy

I did learn a lot from you, thank you. Great talking to you!

Excellent video Carly. I am convinced that War Admiral was simply tired during the match race with Seabiscuit. I believe that on any other day he would have won the race easily. Thanks for posting this.

@johntucker7063

Жыл бұрын

I believe the connections of Seabiscuit had a better strategy that took War Admiral by surprise. In addition, Seabiscuit was a good horse.

@stevek8829

Жыл бұрын

@@johntucker7063 I agree, but note how old the post is-15 years. A match race proves little because a week later things could reverse. It's a good show. They sure died out after Ruffian.

They don't mention it, but: He actually tore a huge chunk of his hoof when he broke from the gate in the Belmont. He was DRIPPING blood from his stomach when he got back to the winners circle.

Ya know war admiral was a triple crown winner but on that day of the race (called the race of the century) Seabiscuit put him in his place! Kind of like winning the presidency you have one shot normally at and then thats it! Hard to down or say bad things about (Americas horse ) The name Seabiscuit will always go down in history as the underdog the working man favorite, the little horse who never quit!

@CajunA79

2 жыл бұрын

Seabiscuit never ran in the important races...no one really heard about him until they made a movie about him unless you were alive in that era.

so sad that an owners decision (bcoz of pride) prevented man o'war from getting d triple crown.

Technically, Seabiscuit was War Admiral's nephew. Seabiscuit's sire, Hard Taxk, was also sireed by Man O' War. That makes Man O' War Seabiscuit's grandsire. Pretty good bloodline there.

Remember the 2004 Derby and Jose Santos ws accused of using a "buzzer" or a battery? Electronic devise, thats what Tom says made 'biscuit run the way he did. All he needed was a jolt them voom!

@BlondeSmurfs No he wasn't, he was dark bay/brown. Look at any color photo of him, he wasn't black. Do your research.

@katklub ...yeah, they assign weight based on previous performances, but not post positions, which is what we we were talking about. Post positions are randomly drawn.

@HarbingerOfBattle You don't get to pick the post the horse goes in. It is chosen by random draw.

it would be interesting to note whether war admirals time was compared to others at the same distance in his career then. Perhaps he did his best ever in the match race, which then leads to the next question or statement: Perhaps then, seabisquit might very well been the superior horse. only problem with that though is that Bisquit was 7 years old and WA was 4. and a horse reaches their peak in abilities after they turn 4. never know will we. WA legacy is marred by his loss though

He did

Yeah, he would have won the "belmont derby triple crown" by 10 legths. Yeah, uh huh.... no horse has won the Derby by that much. EVER. And the Triple Crown is three races. The Kentucky Derby, Preakness Stakes, and the Belmont Stakes.

I do know Riddle didn't like racing in the West, but Kentucky is not west ... I was always led to believe he thought May was too early to race a horse. However, he had no qualms racing him in the Preakness and the Belmont, both races were in May. So who the hell knows? He denied Man O' War a great honor, he was a great horse but he could have been a Triple Crown Winner. Kind of made up for it with The Admiral.

Seabiscuit is my favorite

@WindWipper

6 жыл бұрын

Man O War has always been my fave.

@aaroneaton4355

5 жыл бұрын

I'm also a Seabiscuit fan when it came the history about horse racing Seabiscuit was the first horse I ever read about as a teenager

@equine1235

4 жыл бұрын

I’m a secretariat fan 😊

@hyenaloaf1858

3 жыл бұрын

War Admiral stan 4 life

A great horse in pedigree it survived the civil war

my horse has man'o'mar , and eclipse , and war admiral, and maybe seabiscuit

Some things in the movie made me question why Laura liked it so much. But I have read that TOm used hte buzzer, which was a common move back then. Weither or not Admiral used it, I'm no sure. But I am almost 100% possitive thats what made seabicuit, The Biscuit.

I know he was buried at an unmarked grave under a tree. But didn't know about the autopsy.

my horse has man'o'mar , and eclipse , and war admiral

Seabiscuit won the match race and was a tremendous horse, but war admiral was the better race horse overall.

I am wanting to read the book. Summer book project! =D

They were both the same size.

Healing doesn't make a horse better than another. But I do respect your decision on Biscuit being better, but its not fair to knock down Admiral because of something he A.) didn't do and B.) most likely wouldn't have done with Riddle as an owner.

Actually, they only faced eachother once. I don't know why you think they raced eachother twice. Seabiscuit won 33% of his races, and was in the money 57% of his races But I do agree, Admiral was better. but also consider he ran a personal record in the match, and Seabiscuit got he track record.

Some things were just flat out wrong in the movie. Why did they allow WA to be 18hh? 6.2...what? What measurment? And I've never heard of Biscuit's heart being big. Sorry, didn't understand your last sentance =/

@Rockandrollalchemist Yeah they handicap horses based on reputation. The handicap is how much weight they must carry

Yes, did I say otherwise? If so, I'm sorry.

Pedigree records show him as a (br) brown.

War Admiral (KY) BR , H, foaled January 1, 1934 ( Man o' War - N/A, by N/A) equibase listing. did my research. he was listed as BR or brown.

What is wrong with you people who cares who was better?! They were both amazing horses and any horse that leads the whole way in that class of race deserves its recognition!

Alfred Vanderbilt the 2nd believed that The Admiral wasn't ready, why do you think Native Dancer and Tom Fool never went head to head. Vanderbilt learned his lesson with The Admiral

We love kentucky.

Why are we numnuts if we think the admiral was better? It could never be proved. The admiral was off the day of the race. The person who set it up (can't remember his name) even said he shouldn't have set it up that day. I'm not saying the biscuit was bad, just it was never proved which was better. My opinion was that the admiral was better, but I don't get down on others who say the biscuit was.

Why did they put War Admiral on the inside post in the dirby if his reputation was so high? One would think he would be closer to the outside

@raynewolfe43 it means these 2 horses were gonna push each other to the final length who ever won deserved it

did you know that sea biscuit and war admiral are actually cousins?

Dark bay/ brown

Dramatic effect

How do they know? I didn't know he had an autopsy (sp?) Ah, ok, I get that sentance now.

@parabuteo78 Well said, sir or ma'am.

Haha, have fun with that! =P

sibiscuit seabiscuit

has anyone ever noticed that on the blodhorse top 100 horses of the 20th century they have war admiral before seabiscuit...even tho seabiscuit beat war admiral in the match race...weird

@anubias_twist

4 жыл бұрын

Because War Admiral won the TC..

i here he is 18 hand high

@anubias_twist

4 жыл бұрын

He was actually MUCH shorter. That's fiction in the movie. He was actuallt just over 15 hh.

Kinscm!? HA! She raced in the 1700's!! I havn't looked for Kelso, or Kyak II...

I am not fluent in race track lingo...Could someone please tell me what the announcer meant when he said there were a couple of speed horses and that kept the track honest? TY

Sorry, 2003 with Funny Cide. Don't you remember that picture? No need for name calling k7m4, thats just what I've read. Oh, and I bet you think the movie was 100% accurate in every aspect.

So, now personality tells weither or not one is better than the other? Thats just mean to all of hastings progedy.Hastings passed down hot blood, (figure of speech) Man O' War got it, and all his kids (well, most) got it as well. Seabiscuit was said to be aweful for a few years. No one could get near him. Only Red.

war admiral still >seabiscuit

Seabiscuit turn war admiral to a rear admiral

Is War Admiral a bay or a black?

War Admiral was a good racehorse but when it come down to the wire Seabiscuit was my favorite

@bigbrownfan12345 because seabiscuit was known for being such an undersized horse.

He only got good because of a buzzer.

Seabiscuit was an abused horse really. Before Howard bought him they had him running claiming races. If Howard got him as a yearling or two year old horse and Smith trained him from the start, IMO we would be talking him being a clone of his grandfather. He was that good. WA was also good but the way Seabiscuit beat him in Plimpico, breaking the track record tells you all you need to know who was the faster horse.

@roundtable3501

4 жыл бұрын

Arisgod27 Seabiscuit was trained by sunny Jim Fitzsimmons who was arguably the greatest trainer of all time. I doubt seabiscuit would’ve done so good if he was with smith from the beginning. No way is he a clone of man o’ war. And war admiral is the better horse. Seabiscuit was 33 for 89, with 28 out of money. A lot of his loses were early, but he still only won a little over 50% under Howard and smith. The admiral was 21 for 26 and pimlico was always a track where he underperformed. So seabiscuit beat him in a match race on a track he didn’t like. Also, match races just favor the one who gets the lead and favors jockey skill over horse ability. Look at swaps and Nashua. Almost everyone including Arcaro himself say swaps was the better horse, but Nashua destroyed him in the match race. War admiral was also much more versatile. He won from distances from 4.5 furlongs to 2 miles. Seabiscuit had a very limited versatility. He didn’t win anything over a mile and a quarter. He lost in his two tries at staying distances. So just because seabiscuit won their match race doesn’t mean he’s the faster/better horse. Seabiscuit would lose 3 in a row after this race. While war admiral only raced two more times, but won them both.

@tastetherainbow9643

3 жыл бұрын

Haha.

more heart? Admiral lead and won in his races, not came from the back being sheltered... do u have anything to actually do with the horse racing industry or u just like spouting information from media and movies?

clearly and honestly the best 2 horses known to race was seabiscut and secretariot. its undeniable.. to say less is to lie to yourself. we may never see race horses like them again. there just that rare.

@agoogleuser4443

3 жыл бұрын

I beg to differ and say MOW. 20 wins out of 21 starts is freakin phenomenal. He's right up there near Secretariat.

@hyenaloaf1858

3 жыл бұрын

War Admiral's race history shows he was a far superior horse to Seabiscuit

Riddle got the choice of race location. Riddle chose the standing start. biscuit didn't just beat him by a head. He beat him by 4 lengths FFS..bunch of crappy excuses. Guess Howard should have given Riddle a 4 length head start too???

a forum with trust worthy people. triple W dot thoroughbredchampions dot com / forum (youtube doesn't allow URLs) they'll be willing to answer your question. Friendly people. =)

I don’t know for sure because they never raced each other but I am sure The Black Stallion would beat both, especially if that kid Alex was riding on The Black.

and the better horses get to wear added weight....sometimes horrible amounts...as they did to seabisuit...par lap, etc....they sincerely tried to kill these horses back then...

my horse has man'o'mar , and eclipse , and war admiral, and maybe seabiscuit

my horse has man'o'mar , and eclipse , and war admiral, and maybe seabiscuit

my horse has man'o'mar , and eclipse , and war admiral, and maybe seabiscuit

my horse has man'o'mar , and eclipse , and war admiral, and maybe seabiscuit

my horse has man'o'mar , and eclipse , and war admiral, and maybe seabiscuit