I am just praising Sam for his intellectual maturity and his mastery of having conversation. As an Iranian who was born, raised in Iran and has suffered under islamic dictatorship I am very thankful to you for being the voice of reason in front of these masked terrorists.

@alexisjuillard4816

2 жыл бұрын

well in case you're new to him or haven't seen it in this video he is extremely frustrated angry and lacks self control so even though i agree with your comment it might be aimed at the least adapted video of his^^ but yeah you're right and when i was judging sam a sec ago it was by his own impossibly high standards, rate him the same as most people rate themselfs you have here a brilliant interlocutor, patient, eloquent, well meaning and remaining cordial even though he was probably wishing he could try some of them anciant abrahamic tortures those books are full of

@TheMindIlluminated

Жыл бұрын

You can’t be serious? Harris is an intellectual child. Philosophers have pointed out in detail numerous times why he knows nothing of what he talks about. Even Chomsky embarrassed him.

@SuperTinyTurtle

8 ай бұрын

@@TheMindIlluminated

@606ak

6 ай бұрын

Agha jan you have stockholm syndrome. Iran has suffered under US/British intervention. They overthrew Mossadegh, They overthrew the Shah, and now they wanna overthrow the Ayatollahs...They don't care whose in power, just that theyre not in power long enough for the people to gain any momentum

@Past_Tense154

28 күн бұрын

I never trust these “i lived in iran” mfs

Almost fell of my chair when he said British Muslims are more integrated into British society than white British...…that's the most ridiculous statement about culture I've ever heard.

@dhadad9885

3 жыл бұрын

I read your comment before listening to this shocking line so I was anticipating the stupidity and I still couldn’t believe it when he uttered it.

@wyrdplae8586

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately you're both mistaken here. Listen to it again. Sam said that the polls show that Muslims supported imprisonment of cartoonist. To which Omar said that polls also show that British Muslims are more integrated. The point being that the poll showing that Muslims are more integrated than the white British is clearly stupid SO WHY WOULD YOU TRUST THE POLLS? This is pretty obviously the case as immediately after he said it. he says that it is a red herring. (It being the line on reasoning. as you wouldn't use the term red herring otherwise. that and the fact that saying what he said is a non sequitur if its following what sam said.)

@oscarg8449

2 жыл бұрын

@@wyrdplae8586 Very poor argument. You can very easily find the percentage that support the imprisonment through yes and no answers on polls, but you can’t measure how integrated a person is through polls. It is subjective. One is a call for action, the other about what you say you feel. Can’t compare the two.

@shaksb8617

2 жыл бұрын

Well, I think you all misunderstood his argument. He was trying to debunk Sam's use of polling result in Britain/Sudan and used that as an example. He also said it is a logical fallacy( Red Herring) that the poll indicates British Muslims are better integrated in British society. Obviously, he does not believe in it. Also, if it is false then Sam's poll results *could* also be false is what Omar was trying to suggest.

I thought the Ezra V Sam debate was insane, then this was recommended - and ... I am now a subscriber to Waking Up Meditation with Sam Harris - it must work

@polymathpark

3 жыл бұрын

it's a great app

@wearemany73

3 жыл бұрын

Meditation app is great. I still feel I’m recovering emotionally/spiritually from Sam’s interview with that TYT guy.

@Mursaat100

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, i am sorry to inform you that Sam's conversation with Mariam Namazi is even worse than both Ezra and Omar. No meditation will save you from that.

@hal9555

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mursaat100 i am about to put that thesis to a test lol

@hal9555

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mursaat10027 mins in to Maryam Namazie Sam harris podcast - i hereby validate your claim - absolutely 100% worse - almost un-listenable . frankly unbelievable - Klein, Omer, and Maryam Namazie - the unreasonable Trinity

Omar was lucky that Sam meditated in a cave for 20 years. His patience was put to test.

@anonxnor

Жыл бұрын

Sam did not meditate in a cave for 20 years

@henryzball1156

Жыл бұрын

@@anonxnor your right he mediated in a cave for 30 years

@romeroj4871

11 ай бұрын

​😢ióói

Thr patience Sam has, no doubt the meditation works

@MRSoefeldt

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure there's more to it than meditation, but it probably helps a lot!

@rachellebrady1517

2 жыл бұрын

Word.

Omer "please don't talk to me in that tone" Aziz

2:54:40 was hilarious. Omer accidentally gives a personal example that so perfectly proves Sam's point. A liberal friend who was defending stoning lol.

@fluff975

3 жыл бұрын

thats the defining moment of the podcast

@flugenblar

2 жыл бұрын

It's hard to listen to fast-chattering Omer and not take away a sense of mistrust for how he speaks. I have seen this type of patter before, one of the trademarks is an instant 180-degree about-face Omer is able to make during a disagreement, real-time. It's the very definition of a bad-faith actor.

@hal9555

2 жыл бұрын

@@fluff975 it absolutely is THE MOMENT - crazy

@ts4gv

9 ай бұрын

the ultimate gotcha

@slipperysloper3721

5 ай бұрын

That’s one of the knockouts I believe Sam was referring to. Except it was Omer tripping while getting into the ring and knocking himself out.

Love you sam harris. You remain very calm even when you’re upset. Love your pursuit of the truth. You’re an inspiration to us all (Even as a Christian myself )

I took 20 breaks and 4 days to listen to this and every break point was when Omar would knowingly not comprehend and change the topic

This sounds like a teacher patiently trying to explain to a disruptive spoiled student why his essay sucks. I'm putting this up there with Ben Affleck on Bill Maher and Richard Dawkins talking to Wendy Wright in my top 3 most infuriating videos on KZread.

Thank you for reposting this one, I occasionally listen to it when I need to get angry.

@mathewforster389

3 жыл бұрын

hahaha

@jcarlyw

3 жыл бұрын

Same here!

@TuesdayMoney

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha! It's so nice to not be alone in the world. 😊

@mattbabb.

Жыл бұрын

Glad to know I’m not the only one. You heard of the Pain Body? It’s a concept by Eckhart Tolle. It explains what we’re up to here 😆

"If you could reason with religious people there wouldn't be any"

@ArkticDark

3 жыл бұрын

Ideology is worse... Most of the Planet is religious, are you so sure that you filling your God Shaped Hole with a dogmatic ideology makes you superior or better off???

@drdaverob

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArkticDark the 'ideology' of anti-dogmatism?

@ArkticDark

3 жыл бұрын

@@drdaverob I am going to make the assumption that you are referring to Atheism as the Ideology... That wouldn't be the focus of the ideology itself, if you pay attention to any ideology. I am not sure that you would claim atheism as your highest value right? Therefore, claiming to no not believe in dogma isn't the ideological part of atheism, as atheism as an idea would be an incomplete ideology, but rather more of a tenet.

@jerrysmith5782

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArkticDark Non-dogmatic atheists/agnostics exist (i.e., "I don't know"), but wouldn't a non- dogmatic religious person be in danger of going to Hell? If Omer concedes on any point here, isn't that questioning his religion, which would indicate a lack of faith, which threatens his status in the eyes of his God? Trying to debate about a person's religion is a waste of time, because the religious person simply cannot afford to ever be wrong...the stakes are too high. Same is true for dogmatic atheists (except the threat is ego damage instead of Hell), but many or most atheists/agnostics, such as myself, aren't dogmatic about it. We're not ego-invested in our beliefs. I'm ready to become religious tomorrow if someone can convince me that it is real, but I can't magically start believing in something just because I feel like it.

@ArkticDark

3 жыл бұрын

@@jerrysmith5782 having a debate about religion is only a waste of time if you are an uninformed person. For instance, Israel is the King of the Israelites, God's chosen people; however, that names translates as those who struggle with God. The narrative is not as it seems, a scholarly eye is needed to have a proper debate. Your axiom about faith that your whole argument is founded on has a shaking foundation, it's a bad argument.

I find it oddly gratifying that Omer hasn't published a single piece at any major publisher since this podcast.

@roughpatches

3 жыл бұрын

I was wondering how he's been doing =/

@hansfrankfurter2903

3 жыл бұрын

I doubt you did either

@oscarrivera3929

3 жыл бұрын

@Jesus Isn'tReal nailed it

@abpunk11

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong.. he published an article for the ny times after the Christchurch massacre

@narmanpaudyal2608

3 жыл бұрын

You just gotta look around more and read more.

Sam said this was his "best" podcast because he got so "angry". Haha. He was still unbelievably calm; he only raised his voice a few decibels, only a few times.

@JustT0m752

3 жыл бұрын

You can always tell Sam is angry because the tone in his voice switches from mellow-fellow to annoyed intellectual.

@yautjayarrington1732

3 жыл бұрын

Omg, I can see why Sam felt the way he did about this podcast listening to it is like watching someone hit their head against a wall, painful and makes no sense.

@accretiondisk5552

3 жыл бұрын

Sam gets angry and I'm taking notes and using his methods!! Annoyed intellectual I love it.

@tonyfreego1296

3 жыл бұрын

He did swear a few times 😂 love it though 🙂

I am an hour into it, and simply cannot bear to go on. The most frustrating conversation I have ever tried to listen too. Thank you for everything you do, Sam.

@markjmkahari7252

8 ай бұрын

U gta push through it.

@ctdieselnut

8 ай бұрын

Let me tell ya, it doesn't get better, whatsoever. Like talking to a brick wall.

@marcusflint2907

5 ай бұрын

This is actually an incredibly useful example of someone debating to win vs. someone debating to find truth.

I finally sat through this interview. Hey Sam. I'm a sound engineer and would love to edit the sound in your podcasts at no charge. Just to have an opportunity to further support your quest for truth.

@kohekade2961

3 жыл бұрын

Email him man, that's the best idea if you wish to pursue that :)

@Fireoncityy

2 жыл бұрын

Yea. Somehow reach out through email or through the waking up meditation app. They usually respond quickly

@anarmyoftigers

2 жыл бұрын

You can engineer deez nutz

@TheStobe84

2 жыл бұрын

You are a hero.

@jmoney9494

2 жыл бұрын

I dont think Sam would even want to give it the time of anyone's day to put more effort into it

I’m 3 years late to this one but I actually found this highly productive. Sam’s detest for the interview stems from his hate for bad intentions and irrational argument. However this is the most common form arguments take in the wild so it was great to hear the conversation shapeshift and evolve from level heads to anger and back to more or less rational discussion.

@B___848

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I found this podcast quite entertaining. Even if only to witness a master of discussion like Sam dealing with the personification of left wing university students that is this weirdo lol.

@TheMindIlluminated

Жыл бұрын

Sam doesn’t know what a rational argument even is, when he is confronted he just whines and makes the excuse that he’s being misunderstood or attacked or similar such nonsense.

@hellbenderdesign

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMindIlluminated absurd.

Sam, I just love your voice.

02:51:35 "...&then send me a postcard from the Witness Protection Program" Lol!

@fluff975

3 жыл бұрын

lmfao that one deserves more attention

Never argue with irrational people.

@keitha4768

3 жыл бұрын

I kinda thought this too. But, when there's an audience, the argument can show (to the audience) how willfully dishonest and irrational religious apologists can be

@60-second-HACKS

3 жыл бұрын

Using logic in an argument with an irrational person is like administering medicine to the dead. (With thanks to Thomas Paine, US president)

@60-second-HACKS

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder what the book was that he was about to publish?

@eliaskaufmann41

3 жыл бұрын

If you are faced by unreasonable opposition it´s best to let the opposition speak, because they manifest themselves as unreasonable for everyone to see. JBP

His voice sounds like a kid trying to sound like a grown up.

@HeartlessRival

3 жыл бұрын

I was literally just gonna say the same thing. I find his tone to guevenile you can just hear how immature and uncooperative he is

@Sidiciousify

2 жыл бұрын

Ok bogey.

Talk about having difficult conversations. I don't know how Sam articulates his responses so well when things escalate. I wish Sam were the writer for the sitcom of my life.

Dear Sam, I think you did a great job dealing with this. We might have been too habituated to seeing you maintain serenity at all times, so I understand why some people might criticize you for your occasional ups during this podcast. But I know you too are just a human and that this can happen to everyone. Anyways, I think your strong desire to protect your reputation is commendable and people should take example from you. Take care man.

Sam says he doesn’t like who he was in this interview; meanwhile, I’m struggling to comprehend how he stayed so patient. This was extraordinarily painful to listen to but thank you for posting it

What an eloquent human being Sam is!!!!

Sam loses it at 49:50 and cries out for Jesus 🤣. That’s how frustrated he was

@mayankpapnai3682

2 жыл бұрын

First time I heard that phrase from him.

Ohhh my god Sam swearing is insane for him! And I love the double standard because Omer says don’t speak to me in that tone when he swore 20 minutes ago 😂😂 you forget how much patience Sam has, and you just expect him to always be nice!

@alexisjuillard4816

2 жыл бұрын

I was legit incredulous when i heard sam start his intro. The slight irritation in his voice was shocking and that fact alone tells a lot on the man

"The inability for people to get through hard conversations and converge, the inability for people to have their minds change in real time, inability to admit they were wrong, that is the biggest social problem that we have.*" - Sam Harris. This is an incredibly true and powerful quote. It's incredibly shocking and disheartening to continually observe adults lack the ability to admit fault at every level and avenue of discussion from personal to professional to public settings. I haven't come across anyone more courageously honest as Sam Harris. Maybe Jordan Peterson is in the same category. *Note: I might be off a word or two.

@scottsherman5262

2 жыл бұрын

So, I agree...I really do, but one of the reasons this is such a difficult problem to solve is because both sides (& yes, we're down to exactly two sides now in the U.S.) know that they are the correct side, & it's only the other side that simply needs to concede they are wrong. It's largely OUR inability to do so, not just everyone else's. Now Chris, I remain hopeful that you will admit you're wrong & more importantly, that I'm right. Sam is relatively good at this, because he's a logical & honest man, but his ego slows this process down considerably....that is, it takes him a long time to change his mind, because he's so overwhelmingly convinced that he must be correct, as he's Sam Freaking Harris...Sam F. Harris publicly. I Googled his full name, & his middle name is Benjamin...I was hoping it would be Frank or something beginning with an "F"...well, the joke stands, I'm still right about that quip.

@topdog5252

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. That quote was quite memorable

@valroniclehre193

2 жыл бұрын

There are plenty of honest people. It's just hard to get them on public platforms since sensationalism sells so well. Yea, that quote is a dark brand on humanity, especially now.

This whole conversation is testament to just how ridiculously contorted the possibility of converging on these simplest of points has become. It’s truly depressing.. I have never ever heard Sam lose his cool as much as in this talk, and that’s saying something, because Sam is by far the most lucid, calm, collected, and generous debater I have ever seen. God speed everyone, lol!

Oh god. I image searched Omer Aziz. He looks exactly like how you think he looks, like a teenager who rented a Lamborghini and is now trying to sell me on his get rich quick course. This person definitely says "bro" a lot.

@zitoScine

3 жыл бұрын

Judging a book by its cover I see. In fact, judging the cover itself through one’s prejudice of it.

@TenTonNuke

3 жыл бұрын

@@zitoScine I listened to the podcast before searching for him. So it's more like a read the book, went "What the hell did I just read?", then looked at the cover to discover that I had read the wrong book by mistake.

@zitoScine

3 жыл бұрын

@@TenTonNuke Fair enough :)

@ItsameAlex

3 жыл бұрын

@@zitoScine haha, he got you there:)

@zitoScine

3 жыл бұрын

​@@ItsameAlex If you put it like that, yes he "got me". From my perspective, he clarified his position so I changed my interpretation of his comment.

I really tried to sit this one through, but after an hour of barely getting past the first point I had to stop. I 100% agree Sam, this conversation was as big a waste of time and energy. I can definitely see why you might have been moved slightly off center by Omer. For someone who tries to come off as extremely educated and articulate, he makes a very disingenuous attempt at defending his poorly conceptualized argument, granting absolutely no ground even when you brought up various points of view and pieces of information that seemed to contradict his initial assumption regarding the profitability and expediency of such a publication.

@fhaf33z

3 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%. He was defensive the entire time and came off as disingenuous. I can see why Sam did not want to post this. Sam, I hope you do not waste your time and energy with these kinds of guests in the future.

@hufclufc

3 жыл бұрын

it gets better!

@kimeriksson7445

3 жыл бұрын

Oh I disagree, usually takes me a couple sittings to get through something of this lenght. Not this one.

@voltaire372

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimeriksson7445 haha 😂

@BeaIEngio

2 жыл бұрын

Oh I disagree. It wasn't a waste of time. Any honest listener now has to concede Omer embarrassed himself. If they don't, it perfectly demonstrates Sam's concluding point about the challenge reaching even intelligent, 'not very religious' people on this issue. Sam cleared his name to anyone capable of rationale thought and exposed Omer as a young, inexperienced, defensive conversationalist. Worth the 3 hours.

Sam, your patience is amazing! I don’t know how you got through this...

I'd like to add my 2 cents. I can't help but hear Omer's inner dialog with himself saying, "Use your lawyer skills...evade the question, concede to nothing EVER, frustrate Sam as much as possible...this is how to become famous!!!" Its not about an honest dialog, it's about Omer hoping his name is eventually mentioned along side Sam Harris's. I really enjoy Sam Harris's content. I don't always agree 100% with what he says but I don't doubt he comes by his beliefs honestly and he's open to other ideas as long as they are presented honestly. Omer sounds like a very intelligent person and to me that's the problem. I can't hold a candle to either of these two intellectually but I can see right through Omer's tactics. They are cheap and beneath a person of his intelligence. I'd love to hear an actual back and forth between these two but it's impossible when Omer insists on acting like a troll. Sam obviously knows this but I think it's worth saying anyway..."Never wrestle a pig in the mud. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it."

@accretiondisk5552

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, Omer was completely dishonest. His whole agenda, was to never concede from the beginning. It was like he was practicing his lawyer skills for future cases where he knows his client is guilty.

@lievenyperman9363

2 жыл бұрын

That analysis is spot on, I think. I also would like to hear the honest version of this conversation.

@nestorar

Жыл бұрын

His ego was soooo present! And Sam’s rationality and patience speak for themselves.

@nestorar

Жыл бұрын

His ego was soooo present! And Sam’s rationality and patience speak for themselves.

@dawnkeyy

Жыл бұрын

Looking at it through the lense of him being a future? lawyer was quite interesting. Good angle imho I'd like to add that Omer seems to entirely miss the point of what was going on here. Of what kind of projects Sam is working on and why. This was supposed to and could have been an incredibly important and insightful conversation, about a real problem with real consequences, and Omer just doesn't seem to understand this, and views it as a kind of a game of not conceding points no matter how irrelevant they are to furthering the conversation, because it seems, he doesn't really care about the conversation. It's like he's playing a whole other game than Sam is, but happens to be using the same aesthetic/mask/theme as Sam.

Not sure if Sam will see this... I think you did this guy a service by improving his comprehension.

@dahalofreeek

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Even if it takes a long time. It seems like I end up reflecting on everything someone says at some point down the line.

God, Aziz is every negative stereotype of an intellectual rolled into one.

@Sonicthehedgefundmanager

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylerbarnes7929 lol, his name is Omer Aziz, now apologize for your buffoonery.

@flippalovell

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylerbarnes7929 did this illuminate for you the danger in white knighting on behalf of other cultures and crying racism when you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about? When you see racism in everything and it’s clearly what you’re looking for, don’t be so suprised that you find it all the time. It’s his bloody name mate.

@tylerbarnes7929

2 жыл бұрын

@@flippalovell HAHA YEA

@motorhead48067

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylerbarnes7929 God I hope that was a joke lol

Thanks for releasing this. Helps me prepare for the bone-headed conversations I will surely have whilst fighting for truth I'm also a sound engineer and would happily help you anytime voluntarily

You might refer to the first two hours as boring, Sam, but the time you spent maintaining structure and being transparent on both your points and reasoning has been invaluable to me.

Omer's voice is intolerable on its own.

@lrighttobewhite

2 жыл бұрын

😆

Thank you Sam for publishing this. It has been truly educational for me. It is masterclass on dealing with deflection, projection and obfuscation in a bad faith interlocutor.

every minute Omer speaks, my brain becomes smoother and smoother.

@generichuman_

2 жыл бұрын

That's such an awesome way of describing a gradual lowering of IQ.

Wow. This conversation is an excellent example of how apologists (of any religion) slide all over the f*cking place to maintain their perspective. It’s so hard to hold them to a point. Well done, Sam.

this was very educational to listen to - thank you for releasing this.

I'm sorry you've gone through such hell Sam. You've provided an invaluable service to humanity. Thank you from a fellow liberal.

Excellent, I have enjoyed this. Also thanks for publishing this.

Did that clown seriously believe that he came off well here? It just shows how delusional he is.

12 minutes in Sam and I'm pulling the plug on this. I'd rather rub my arse with a brick than waste precious time in this form of self torture. Listening to Trump is enough, I don't need a copy cat like Omer in my life. Thanks all the same.

Whew... Sam Harris fighting the same battle over and over with this guy - Sam most of us understand and absolutely appreciate your courage and amazing intelligent presence

This is, without a doubt, the most fiery, impatient and blunt version of Sam Harris I've EVER seen. However, throughout all his debates he's remained patient in places where I would've snapped hours prior. He's brilliant at this. So, in this case, when dealing with such a person, Sam going a bit mental is not only completely warranted and reasonable but its just also super entertaining to see.

@accretiondisk5552

3 жыл бұрын

Very satisfying indeed!

@fluff975

3 жыл бұрын

couldnt have said it better myself. felt exactly the same way. as much as omer makes me wanna chuck chairs across the room, it's particularly enjoyable and refreshing to see sam lose his shit at someone like this lol

Omer, as a person, is inconsequential. His idea about intellectual discourse are skewed by his inability to listen.

2:54:45 is so perfect. Dude starts trying to tell a story of how great he is for debating somebody about why they're wrong on stoning, and inadvertently provides the perfect example of someone with completely opposing, left-leaning politics, who holds an abhorrent moral view because of his religion. As he's trying to make the point that people only hold those disgusting views because of their political leanings. Absolutely insane, I know I'm late to this but cheers Sam for attempting to fight the good fight.

Thank you for posting these

Sam, you're a much more patient man than I. I know you didn't really want to post this, but needed to clear the air. And I commend you for that. I used to believe that reasoning with some folks was a complete waste of time, but then I realised that some deserve to be humiliated in public, and this conversation demonstrates that. The process of reason and logical discourse should remain sacred, especially during these trying times where; gaslighting, half truths and outright lies are being pushed upon us all at an alarming magnitude and frequency. The erosion of the once high premium we put upon truth, facts and verifiable evidence is so disheartening and even downright scary. You are my rock my friend, and I always listen to your talks as a way to regain my balance, and give me the patience needed to attempt a better communication with the Omers of the world, of which there are PLENTY! Thanks again.

Omer made Sam go "Jesus Christ.. " Mission accomplished.

55:35 "Well, soon to be my first" The arrogance in his tone of voice made me puke. Sam really is a zen master, the patience he had to talk for hours with this dude surprises me.

Holy cow. You have way more patience and grace than I could muster just listening to Omer. There's nothing you can do with someone who won't actually listen.

Sam felt like he just flew off the handle foaming out the mouth and most of this, even when he's audibally frustrated, he speaks with a calm, cold tone. 😂

Aziz is a lightweight. Harris schooled him throughout. Funny that Aziz would insist that Harris release this. He's obviously completely unaware of how inept he is.

@chhimi4025

3 жыл бұрын

Nha I think he was well aware how he sounded.He just wanted publicity with this cause his take on things appeals to atleast some people

The beginning summation was amazing. I love it when sam gets mad well "mad" Omer "what on earth was he thinking" Aziz

I recently listened to my first Sam Harris podcasts in at least a year, so the algorithm is starting to throw them at me and... "Oh, what's this? Sam Harris labeled one of his as 'The Best Podcast Ever'? Could it be that one?" I must be a masochist to listen to this twice

Beautiful knock out blow at 1:48:00. But best of all by far is 2:54:00.

Great job Sam !! It might not have been a productive conversation but the truth is you made me laugh my ass off !!! I.love that you released this

I'd like to see this with the talking over each other too just so I could have some more entertainment

I think Sam Harris is obviously a Saint. Bless him .

Sam Harris.. you are one of my intellectual heroes for just the patience you exuded here. Love ya man

Jeepers cripes. I just listened to this again, I remember listening to this when it was release a few years ago. Sam's patience is impeccable.

When Sam asks him about that offer....2:51:30, and Omar pauses and says, "....Let me think about this...." WTF is there to think about? I mean, if what Omar says is true, then he'd take his offer right then and there without hesitation. The reason why he didn't, is because Omar is full of shit and Sam called him out on it.

@60-second-HACKS

3 жыл бұрын

He's a fraud.

Sam sold himsef short. I expected and would have sanctioned much more cursing in the face of this.

“I don’t care about your motives”, almost the entirety of his piece in Salon was an attempt to ascribe motives to Sam and to a lesser extent Maajid. It’s somehow cathartic for me to know that Omar has never published anything of value since this debate. I also think this conversation is a benchmark in the dialogue on “cancel culture”. You can’t just be a person of intermediate renown and go on to “delete” someone who you disagree with because of ‘optics and societal’ reasons. The bulk of Sam and Maajid’s book was not addressed by Omar here. The points Omar actually addressed were refuted completely, almost entirely outside of Omar’s awareness. I really hope Omar grows up. He’s in the right space.

I m muslim and Indonesian. I absolutely love Sam Harris and downloaded his Awakening Apps. I m happy for the conversation. If I m in the position of Omer Aziz, I would probably defending some of the criticism to Islam similar to Omer. I recognize the problem and can contectualize with sanity. There are also a lots of scholar whom I chose and able to interpret it middle way. We live in such turbulence time and to me, Islam has provide me with Solace. Unbelievable I m able to listen for 3 hours podcast 😁

2:01:17 by the fucking TEXTS lmao

@DuncanSouthard

3 жыл бұрын

Sam is always so clear, calm, and precise with his speech and it makes me so happy to hear him speak like this to this guy. Absolutely hilarious 😂😂

Interesting that he took two degree courses and didn't attend classes in either. That's something to think about.

@NM-qc2dh

3 жыл бұрын

Sam. I am afraid that your debating partner is completely disingenuous. I say this to you as a lifelong Muslim from religious parents living in Great Britain all of my life. There are certain truths that all Muslims are totally welded to and which are completely immutable. Without ever having to have read the Koran we know exactly what these truths are. Muslims are prepared to sacrifice their lives for the protection of the Prophets dignity.The polls that were conducted in Britain underestimate the depths of belief that even the most moderate Muslims hold. Your debating partner knows exactly the truth of these polls and yet he pretended that he did not. Currently in England April a 29-year-old schoolteacher is in hiding because he dared to show the cartoons of the Prophet in a religious education class. Parents have been picketing the school causing it to close down. The government has done nothing and all this does is is empower this Islamic minority in subduing the liberal majority. It is a well-known premise of dawah do use the ideas and mechanisms of the host power against itself and this is most obvious. I am impressed that as a non-Muslim you have found us out. We admit our truths to each other but obviously not to members of the secular society in which we live as these views are incompatible. I remember in a consultation with a British general before he went to Iraq warning him about the mindset of Muslims which I knew he could never understand but felt duty bound as a human being to try to explain this to him. I am very sorry to say that Islamic ideology is incompatible with the ideals of the western world. I know that this is contemporary heresy but it is the truth. The man you debate with is a liar and he knows it.

@therainman7777

Жыл бұрын

@@NM-qc2dh Jesus.. this is one of the most striking comments I’ve ever read in my life.

A few things I learned; (1)Sam is human. (2) I hate lawyers. (3)Omar (although knowledgeable) didn't come to share ideas but to defend his beliefs at all costs.

I like your Courage Sam, keep up the good work! I think I only agree with you like 60-70% but I do think we need more people like you!

Omer Aziz sounds like Amanda Bynes in 'She's The Man' when she's pretending to be a boy

@hansfrankfurter2903

3 жыл бұрын

Tell us when we’re supposed to laugh

You are one brave, patient dude, Sam. I’m sure you could avoid religion,completely, and make a great living. I commend you, sir 🫡.

Ever since this episode was released, once a year I'll return to it. Although I side with Sam in every way on this conversation, I greatly respect Omer for being adult enough to say "yes" to a conversation like this. This conversation has taught me quite a lot. Unfortunately, it has become common for the public to "cancel" (as if real life was social media) or actively not listen to people like Sam who have reasonable ideas on these sensitive topics simply because they are not eutopic or all-inclusive... All ideas need to be heard by the public regardless of what the majority thinks. My significant other is from Pakistan, and she thought "Islam and the Future of Tolerance", although short, was a breath of fresh air for how we should approach these conversations. She left Islam mostly because of how the majority of Muslims feel on topics like apostasy. How could "a religion of peace" be so riddled with violence...?

@tejasnair3399

3 жыл бұрын

You don’t need to respect him for that. We should _expect_ discourse, and respect a reasoned outlook that’s ground in compassion.

@60-second-HACKS

3 жыл бұрын

He said "yes", but he never intended to have a conversation.

@hansfrankfurter2903

3 жыл бұрын

@@60-second-HACKS neither did Sam Harris.

@fhaf33z

3 жыл бұрын

@@hansfrankfurter2903 Omer never made a sound point.

@hansfrankfurter2903

3 жыл бұрын

@@fhaf33z Says all Harris fanboys

“By the fucking text” had me rolling 😂😂2:01:16

Omer’s voice is the personification of the kids who get shoved into lockers

I think this was a very thoughtful discussion with great points from both sides. I don’t like when people act like these discussions are hateful arguments and have to take a side and hate on the person they disagree with. This doesn’t have to be a polarizing discussion. Both are very smart people.

@drhooty

2 жыл бұрын

There is one intellectual and one pseudo intellectual. You should know the difference.

Omer: Stop demeaning me!! Omer 5 minutes later: im not taking offense to you, I'm correcting you.

I think in the end, whether by force or by fact, Sam won Omer over and I'm glad that I got to listen to the whole thing.

I actually enjoyed this episode because it was different ideas in competition with a goal to win the debate. I hope that you both remain friends and have a round 2 debate. Semper Fi.

2:01:17 By the fuckin texts!hahah.LEGEND!

Oh my god. I've listened to an hour of this and was very frustrated, its like Sam is talking to a wall. Either Omer knows his points and wants to deflect or he seriously lives in another world.

@hufclufc

3 жыл бұрын

Its impossible discussing Islam with a devout Muslim

@fhaf33z

3 жыл бұрын

@@hufclufc yeah i heard the whole thing eventually. There was no point in having him on here, he was not open to any ideas and did not even give up 1 inch. The guy is way out of his depth. Sam shouldn’t even give him a platform for giving his opinion.

Sam you are as ever a brilliant philosopher and your analysis is expert but this was by no means a boring 3.5 hrs. There were misunderstandings of course (charitable) but I found it engaging and strangely entertaining. I am grateful you released the conversation. Well done.

By Omer's logic, nobody should write books on any non fiction topics since there is money to be made from doing it. Omer claims to be against identity politics, yet he is publishing a book this year titled "Brown Boy". That sure makes sense. He also claims racism is the biggest problem worldwide when he is an extremely privileged minority, getting is JD at Yale. He mentions early on that "there are plenty of white, non Muslims who have written books about Islam" as if that is relevant to the conversation. That is what gave it away. Omer is not against identity politics, he has made a career off of it. Read his articles. He is mad because Sam is what he would describe as a "white, non Muslim author", and Sam co-authored a book that says things Omer doesn't think white non Muslims should be allowed to say. His subsequent attacks towards Sam on Twitter have been so unprofessional and devoid of logic that I cannot help but laugh whenever I hear him speak.

The proposition that Islam drags behind it the largest brand management failure in history seems painfully obvious in the light of this car accident of a conversation. My support to Dr. Harris for his ability to reconcile the setbacks and for making the information available for everyone.

The ironic misfortune one can derive from this "debate" is how few people can even differentiate enough between real altruistic critical thought and sensationalist word smear to actually benefit from this brilliant effort toward clarity and rationalism by Sam Harris.

What Sam did to Omer - making him read out his own words - is like what a father does to humiliate his son who doesn't know any better. This is just embarrassing

🗯🗯🗯🗯SAM ...💯💯 LOVE TO SEE YOU AND JOE BACK ON HIS PODCAST AGAIN...EVERYTIME YOUR ON THERE IS A CLASSIC BROTHER💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

I just ended up looking at a photo of Sam Harris for over an hour 😀

Oh Sam this was a tough one but you got it done.

One of the reviews of the book "Making Sense" brought me here in 2021. As of today, I haven't purchased the book yet.

The “there were no bombs” thing at 2:31:30 is so funny

@roughpatches

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah! No machine guns in the 10th century =D

Intellectual honesty is a dying virtue

I feel so bad hearing peoples stories of coming out as a non believer when I have non beileving parents and never had any religious influence. Sometimes I wish I felt dogma in my life atleast once to see how it felt. Respect to those tough sods who push through and choose to think for themselves...

This sounded like a student (Omer ) at a university trying to debate with a professor (Sam) but failing to listen and instead dismissing or deflecting. Omer sounded very immature for his age and was dishonest during the conversation. The reactions and emotive way Omer acted made him sound childish by constantly lashing out, throwing out random attacks and saying not to be condescending when he disliked the topic. It seemed Omer was the typical University student who over uses the terms Fascist, Chauvinist, Bigot and Islamophobia to try and win arguments when they cannot communicate in a dialectic manner. Lies and manipulation of the truth is something that I struggle to understand in others. Since journalists and main stream media can defame and twist narratives with lies without any taking of responsibility, they can say anything without consequences. Omer said he wasn't Muslim but his family came from a Muslim background and observed some Muslim religious celebrations but acts with his reaction to criticism of Islam was like a religious Muslim. The way Omer acts as thiugh any criticism of Islam is an attack or should not be done without taking a course at University shows his immaturity. This young man seems to deny the problem in Islam and refuses to listen to reasonable criticism of the doctrine, refuting any apostate claims as none credible source. It was frustrating to listen to Omer who seemed to use Taqiya ( dissimulation or denial of religious belief by refuting any criticism and selecting with attacks to defend the religion) to try and protect Islam.

How could ANYONE even be friends with this kid?!!! OMG im trying to imagine a scenario where me and this kid have to spend time together and accomplish a task or something, and it feels like I'm about to have a seizure or a stroke or something (omg this kid!!!).

I actually liked the conversation. The young man was defending his heritage; reminds me of conversations with Mormans, "but their such nice people" argument. Have no doubt I am against his side, however I can appreciate his argument and his efforts to bring them to the present in their beliefs.

This is one of my favorite podcasts from sam. I think there might be something wrong with me.

@scrodello6000

8 ай бұрын

Nope…I love this podcast. I listen to it often to improve my vocabulary 😂