Guys the "kill the streamer" thing was more ironically, I was playing with 2 other streamers. And yes there are better games to show Chen. I had like 5 stomps earlier in the day where I could have been like "hes so busted" I also had like 5 games in the competitive scene where they stomped with Chen. I am showing this game because we were getting wrecked in the early game, but using his powerful dive combos we completely turn the game around.

4:30 you're supposed to use Q and both your W's to get the 50 brew bonus. Keg is 30, fire is 10

@NotParadox

5 жыл бұрын

giving this a heart for my bad maths.

@hristopavlov298

5 жыл бұрын

Does lvl 7 give his bonuses in SEF?

@dizzyMongoose

5 жыл бұрын

@@hristopavlov298 No, the spirits are totally separate units, so you don't get any talent bonuses to them other than for SEF itself.

10:35 "I don't mind going in a 1v1 versus these two"

@madtechnocrat9234

4 жыл бұрын

@Joshprits what a paradox

Just wanted to add something about Combo Strikes and Accumulating Flame, you can use your trait as a regular shield+resource channeled gain but you can also quickly hit D and immediately attack again for a "on demand" 2-4 seconds attack speed buff, now if you do this while your enemy hero is ignited you stack a lot of extra 0.75 dot damage so if you jump into a nice position to do autoattacks when your target is ignited then quickly hit D and immediately attack you deal tons of stacking damage on top of all of your other damage talents :D

Chen was the first hero I got to level 25, but stopped playing him as I moved up in ranks and he seemed to become less viable. Took a break from the game and I'm excited to be coming back with a buffed Chen. Great video as always.

@Hj4a

5 жыл бұрын

Same same! 💙 So worried that the change still wouldn't make him viable. Stoked now.

Love the video, but I think you undersell Deadly Strike on 4. When solo-laning, you can drink in a bush to have shield, kick with the damage increase, keg smash fire breath, stagger and auto attack, then just disengage using kick on a minion and drink through all the stagger damage.

@NotParadox

5 жыл бұрын

The build is based on Team Russia's Stalk who used chen to a 70% win rate. I undersell pretty much every other talent because my point is to oversell the talents he used. The Deadly strike requires you to have shield which will be removed in most fights, so he doesn't use it. But I could see the benefit against heroes you will only get small trades.

Kael'thas sure did lose a lot of weight. Not looking so good actually:p

@Rougie1993

5 жыл бұрын

He kinda caught a cold too. Ain't so hot

"I help them out with this" *Does literally nothing to help with the camp in the slightest and just grabs the regen orb*

I noticed that when clearing waves you throw your W to the mid and back minions, I used to do that too, then realized that even when doesn't looks like you can actually soak some front line minions too in addition to the mid and back line ones you just need to place the W casting circle in a very specific position :)

Great video. I had no idea SEF cancelled staggered dmg. I've been having luck with a kick/combo strikes/empowered brew build. You basically become a fully fed butcher.

"Chen"??, you mean the "tank" version of Suicillidan?, he even has the feature of killing himself, literally

@TwistedMdk

4 жыл бұрын

remember the Alpha and beta Illidan... fucking monster hahaha

@plunderersparadise

4 жыл бұрын

You mean the 'i dont care that you have to auto attack to survive illidan, we go back u die'' team?

I had tryed out your advice and after that I had win with him in a row! So thx for this video agin!

I tested it in game and I don't think Accumulating Flame, Ring of Fire and Combo Strikes work with your Storm, Earth and Fire.

@NotParadox

5 жыл бұрын

You are correct, I was seeing the fire damage from the flame and not ring. I saw a weird crit number around 10 that didn't matchup and assumed it was a crit.

@BlazeHN

5 жыл бұрын

Same for me, I went immediately into Try Mode after seeing this video to test this but no extra damage from those three talents, oh well :P

That's the build i played in the B/S tournament yesterday :D

Honestly, that stuk should just save silence for when you dive. If he does the silence root combo, chen is dead

@aidanya1336

5 жыл бұрын

Yep. I see a lot of possible interrupts that didn't happen. Even ETC can come back and hard focus the Chen.

The new Brewmaster's Balance requires that you also kick because 30 (Keg) + 10 (Breath of Fire) = 40. The kick is 10 so you'll have to use all three abilities to get both bonuses from the talent.

this is the build I hav ebeen running on chen, didn't realize those talents were synergizing

I was wondering about to counter Chen with Zeratul's void prison, catching att pandas after they transfered for 5 seconds, which is pretty much half of the uptime of Storm, Earth and Fire. But might be a waste of a great CC. Ofc. proper counter can be any stun, or cocoon when he has started to cast the spell. Also I was wondering about a possibility to try to counter it with Kael's Pyroblast, trying to time the implosion for the time after Chen has just splitted (but maybe it is kinda impossible to do it constantly, idk). Since Today most of the best counters for Chen were just to disable him, not to be able to use SEF and kill him asap. Garrosh's taunt is a really great weapon against the cast. Also saw a great tacs, where ETC stage dived into stunned Chen, literally one-shotting him. But however as it seems, you need some good team management and enemy control in order to stop this beast.

13:00 Kael'thas is the blood elf fire mage. That was Kel'thuzad. :P

I've just been using abilities with knockbacks to interrupt Chen when he would obviously cast the ult after evasion. It only takes once or twice to fine tune the timing against the enemy player. Hard to see it as op when a single W from Tychus or ETC or Alarak or any other characters with an interrupt ruins the combo and leaves Chen to die on an island.

I think you just have to time your CC well if you want to counter him: if you see him trying to ult just interrupt him and he is dead cassia could also be very good against him because she has a ton of aoe and blinds to mitigate the damage of his heroic, which is mostly from auto attacks. Stukov with the other heroic could be an option too I think, wait for him to jump in his heroic and just smash them away, or falstad... same principle. I think to counter Chen it is more a problem of proper coordination than that it is even possible

@BlazeHN

5 жыл бұрын

My Chen ult gets canceled A LOT by just about anything (not just stuns, but pushes and other smaller things) so yes this comment is true.

Minor note: the post-buff Stormstout Recipe talent gives you 2.5%, not the 2% that the old footage shows. That buff should let it keep pace with the Eye of the Tiger healing; the healing you get from the AA damage is about 2.7%, so with 2-3 procs of Eye you get 5.5-8.2% healing if you can connect on your attacks after a Smash. Stormstout spreads the healing out more; you get 5% healing per brew ignite, and then 2.5% every time you kick anything. It gives you some ability to sustain without needing to commit to attacking, but as you noted, you get no damage advantage. I'll note though that from the footage you have at the start of the first game, you would've procced Stormstout 11 times in the first 2 minutes, and you didn't proc Eye of the Tiger once, so you might hit with your abilities more than you notice.

You completely disrespect Kel Thuzad calling him that nancy fancy pantsy KaelThas for shame

Chen the Hero of the Masters Clash... Legend!

The recent bufs don't really affect this build. Only W being fired 0.25 seconds faster and the 40% slow lasting longer. Which is nice ofc but not that huge.

12:20 This is starting to sound like a pbs video. That's not burn (maybe), that's honestly what it sounds like.

Keg Toss + Another Round is far superior.

New Chen is so damn good. Probably the strongest Bruiser at the moment.

Love your videos and explanations, though i do not understand why you dont mention stuns vs him and his ult. If you manage to interrupt his 1 second channel from his ult he is lost and will die after the 3 secs from stagger run out. I played him a lot with your tactics. But imagine an uther or anub paying a bit attention to chen when he dives in you are dead. Still a very strong and powerful build that requires the enemy team to adjust heavily on that pick. But manageable after some training. Besides that imo masterleague America is something different than EU in terms of average skill. Your thoughts on that ? Thx and keep your work up !

@DetroitMuscle

5 жыл бұрын

Andy M. Yeah his videos are very heavy in confirmation bias. Chen is so easy to counter it's a joke. Murky, uther, stukov ( a good one not a scrub like this video) battered assault illidan w hunt, tazdingo zuljin. I mean the are tons of counter. Even consistent Raynor q when Chen tried to drink

First level talent that gives you 2% health - am i wrong that it is 2% for every hero that your ability hits? I mean.. that could heal for 12% if you double hit 3 heroes with w

I build him vastly different and I'd like to share my thoughts. For chen, he is exponentially more useful the longer you stay in the fight. Its the exact opposite to the diablo and garrosh one trick tank playstyle. Stagger is essential in his frontline game. The better you use this, the longer you can stay in the fight allowing you to deal damage, peel for your team, and increasing your chance to win fights. Thus, my build accomplishes two things. - Near permanent slow - Near permanent 20 armor - Improved stagger uptime and mitgation - Improved burst damage www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/chen#kD3y Basically, with this you get the following. You go in with a shield, deal extra q damage and apply a 70% slow. You auto, granting you 20% armor, then you W for the keg slow, keeping up your 20% armor. If you decide to stagger, you will not only benefit from this armor, but the cooldown gets reduced by each auto. If someone gets away, you drink to get shield and Q which activates another slow on demand and the cycle repeats. You use ult as intended in the video. Basically, you become an unbeatable monster and your team will benefit of you permanently slowing something. In addition, Regen globes being twice as effective is a fantastic early game bonus for 1v1 laning.

Here's a couple of things that weren't mentioned that I've found playing chen that I thought I'd add: Chen is not completely unstoppable (don't miss W): we all know chen is good so how about I start with his main (only?) drawback, if you wiff keg, you lose almost all your talents so your damage goes completely out the window. When you miss you should be looking to escape... unless you're too deep then just commit to the stagger S.E.F and try to recover off of that. S.E.F empowered abilities: N,P uses empowered W during most of his S.E.F but I find when diving someone who has no escape like most healers you get way more out of empowering E instead, with it your burst is just as insane but you get the added benefit of being able to switch to a secondary target and rip half their health away once your first is down. I also find that a slow is about as good as the root in most situations considering you also get a movespeed buff from empowered E. Level 20 talent: I have been playing around with energizing brew as oppposed to elemental conduit and I think it's a more well rounded storm tier talent... for starters the thing lasts 25 seconds so it's not hard to keep it active and it's a flat 20% increase to all damage and HP! I rarely find myself struggling to find opportunities to reapply it when I need to and while it's nice to get the bonus damage and root from empowered W the Q bonus seems totally excessive and you're giving up 20% damage and HP in normal form. "Chen has no escapes": well he does have one escape, his Q. It's situational sure but you can play around getting out with it more effectively, paradox has a lot of little positioning errors in this game (I know he played poorly and he gets that) but one of the potential errors he doesn't mention that could have actually saved him is applying more pressure and getting more aggresive. The further you can push your opponents from their own minions the further you can jump to them, if you get jumped by enemies you can charge towards your lanemate and away from their minions as a way of splitting their attention, if the ganker follows you just jump to a minion if they don't try to solo you're lane opponent you might just go 1 for 1 or even 1 for 0 if the ganker doesn't eventually cave and try to help you out. tl;dr: don't miss W. try using Fire last instead of Earth in S.E.F. Energizing brew is an insane storm talent. try to position yourself with the quirks of Q in mind, it can be a pretty effective escape at times.

@foxxllee

5 жыл бұрын

Plus Elusive Brawler is pure gold escape talent when used wise😉

I played him with same built , except for 20 , it was insane but i kinda suck with chen

I would suggest you use stagger differently, when you jump in, do it with max shields, thats 1-2 hits soaked there, your auto attacks negate like 50% of the damage received from a 1v1 duel with your level 1 talent, making you lose your health at a slower pace, then you stagger when you are at like 70% or so, that will encourage your target to be cautious, and he will probably be at 40-60% by now, if he commits, that means two things, either backup is coming or he is just stupid, either way, you should attack throughout your stagger mechanics til the last second, when you are about to start taking the dot dmg you disengage and drink. And the elusive brawler is better overrall i think, since you can ofset your stagger even further against your target, if its mage type hero, you wont need the extra health regen, but you can pop it for the speed to chase down or dodge if your q is offline, and if its a auto attacker your health regen wont matter that much, but being able to pop your dodge after shields go down, will allow you to stay on the target against a duelist, and the speed is there when you need it, its a nice boost and your auto attacks will bring the evasion back online faster if you rinse and repeat.

you don't get both effects from brewmaster's balance anymore

they never cancel your ult?

No matter how strong chen actually is, I think they should reduce the cooldown between two W even more. Like, this 1.25 sec is still really annoying. I'm not talking about balance here (I'm not requesting a buff because Chen is weak - which he isn't anymore apparently -), it's just a question of fun and ergonomics.

4:29 Brewmaster Balance doesn't work like that anymore. If you use Keg Smash and Breath of Fire it will consume 40 brew instead of 50, to get both benefits you will also have to use your kick which is a thing I don't personally like.

Why did master league team picked Varian as a solo-laner? I was under impression that he is not really fitting to this role

keg and fire puts you at 60. you need to kick to get to 50 for brewmaster.

Kill the streamer? More like kill the guy leaving himself open to be ganked. Don't see why they wouldn't take easy kills from anyone else in those situations

12:57 *Kel'Thuzad

Another think you can do if you know you gona die you can use your stagger at last posible second poor mans tazdingo and maby get kill/waste some more damage or provide just a litle bit more disruption

Tbh the buffs to Chen were all to his underpicked talents that nobody is picking anyways, even after the buffs, so they didn't really make him any stronger, just increase talent diversity potentially.

hey it's jablinski

NotParadox: "Watch how much damage I take here" Enemy team: An E from Varian, A Q from ETC and about 10 auto attacks NotParadox: "They use everything on me" Friendly team: taking a camp NotParadox: "I go help them out with this" Also NotParadox: just take the regen globe while still mounted and leave

Chen can just dive on so many heroes and nobody can really do anything about it

@aidanya1336

5 жыл бұрын

You can interupt the channel on his ult. Something the stukov can do if he holds his silence for chens dive. He might even prevent stagger from activating straight away. All dmg done before stagger gets activated hurts chen hard and he cant take it away with ult.

4:02 Jaina could have capped Dragon :(

Ring is good, but people are sleeping on enough to share, it can eat an entire jainas combo on the whole team

Ring of fire does not synergise with Storm, Earth and Fire

So in other words, what you're saying is...Nerf Chen? :P

Might be good to showcase a better game. 9 mins into this video I really don't wanna bother playing Chen hahah

Step one: saw, that NotParadox uploaded a new video. Step two: klicked 'thumbs up' Step three: wrote this comment. Step four: watched the video. Step five: confirmed, that steps 1-3 were absolutely right. EDIT: Chen is also countered if he is stunned, while he wants to activate his ultimate. Then his stagger gets not much value. But this counter requires a lot of team coordination and great abservation and timing. But still: Diamond+ players should be able to time it correctly. :)

@foxxllee

5 жыл бұрын

Medivh counter him with arcane explosion or beee beeee beee😉

mediv ult and storm wind fire is usless. that ship thing :)

Haven't been a Brewmasters fan since 2017. Its the rookie talent..

Good build, but the gameplay could be better. As you get more practice Chen will do so much work. If you want a good example of how Chen seriously carries check out Fan Heroes of the Storm channel, and watch his Chen vids. He owns

Master NA the real gold game EU

i don't get why streamers think they deserve a special treatment from their enemy team.

u can just simply show 3-5 min of this video and show build, nice and quick

BUSTED!

I mean it's totally possible they weren't focusing you because you're a streamer and just capitalized on you being overextended. But nah lets have a victim complex about it IG

@NotParadox

5 жыл бұрын

I was saying it more ironically, our whole team was streamers...

@logancoleman8128

5 жыл бұрын

@@NotParadox When you gotta explain it, it wasnt stated very well. You said it as you got ganked so it was very easy to assume you meant yourself.

New Chen has a game play that is way too complex to put in place to make it work correctly on team fights and TBH the Earth Wind and Fire ultimate was overly nerfed because you must combine it with the other abilities to get its efficiency... I hate the new Chen.

i feel like if you didn't know this already, you are a potato and play in wood league.