Can't wait for this technology to evolve to the point where I can take my smart trainer out on the road.

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Gradient simulation outdoors is so unrealistic. 😉

@lukecico5155

9 ай бұрын

Ok. Now that’s funny.

@donbosco2830

9 ай бұрын

It's funny you should say that. As someone who uses both a smart trainer and trains to power outside, I find maintaining a Z2 power very very difficult outside and have often thought about some kind of power restrictor adapter that works like a drive train brake to limit me from going 'too hard' and busting my Z2 outdoor workout.

@matteo.ceriotti

9 ай бұрын

That's what I thought on Shane's Twitter post. Coming next, Wahoo Kickr Rain 🌧

@Lukas-bl9wy

9 ай бұрын

We need automatic shifting, so that we can have ERG outside (although I am actually not a fan of ERG)

I’ve just upgraded to a Kickr Move from a Zwift hub and I’m enjoying the movement. I do like the lockout for sprints but otherwise it adds some interest and comfort when doing 2 hour + rides. I’m restricted to indoor riding for medical reasons so having the comfort will be more important as I train 5 or 6 days a week.

I wouldn't underestimate the slight back and forth; the tacx plates made a huge difference to indoor comfort for me personally.

Love that tracking shot at the open, nice!

Seems like the lockout would be a good opportunity to be controlled via a blip or something because it'd be pretty tough to use this during a race or lively group ride and have to unclip to lock out to sprint.

shane, regarding the seat levelling. My mate has a kicker 2021 and the arms are not correctly welded to the central bit. meaning it's not level in a way that sounds similar to what you experienced. the AXIS feet easily balance it out (Wahoo said they'd replace it) I had a Tacx with the same type of welding problem myself 7 or 8 years ago. Just check that out to, literally, see if it's made properly!!!! it's obviously not as rare a problem as you might think.

Love the new graphics you've incorporated. Looks like a nice play on the logo of your pen pals from last year 😂

Well done Lama. Always first on the ball with new trainers 👍. Got an Kickr 3 and loving it. Will trade up to latest Kickr when heart rate sync to trainer is introduced.

Great video 🎉 I had exact same issue, level floor, bike leaned so had to jack up left arm cam to level the bike 😮

It comes at a bit of premium cost. It'd be great if they sold these at a special introductory price, for a limited time-frame only. If that were the case I'd likely be tempted to trade up. However, with the price as is, I'll opt to wait and maybe in that time-frame some competitor might come up with something as good or better but at a cheaper price. How the market take-up of it fares, as the US and Europe enter their Winter will be interesting to see. Great update and review

Thanks Shane. If I were to go to higher end of the trainer food chain I would be inclined th get the smart bike. This setup isn't easy to break down between workouts for those of us lacking dedicated space. On an unrelated note, I have that same table you have at left. Brilliant at 1/3 the price of the Wahoo version.

@alimaleki217

9 ай бұрын

That IS the Wahoo version; note the blue wheels.

Top class review GP Lama

I built my own fore-aft side-to-side rocker plate 2 years ago and it really improves the experience of Trainer riding.

@antoniobux371

6 ай бұрын

Bonjour mais tu as fait ?

Great review

Cracking idea! I’ve a rocker plate but this just replaces it !

great video, as always

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Thanks! 🙏

I'm just acknowledging that opening camera shot. 😄

Thanks for the detailed review! You said almost nothing about the feeling of fore/aft movement (the main feature of this thing), except that you didn't like it for sprinting. I have a rocker platform with a small amount of fore/aft movement and I really don't care for it. I'm guessing you didn't love it either or you would have said so :)

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

It’s fine. Wasn’t a total game changer. I’m not much a fan of rocker plates.

I get this as a sort of "all in one" package that would work if someone is new to indoor training or is buying a new trainer anyway, but I'm wondering if a premium rocker plate for one's existing trainer might not be a better choice for most since you'd get motion along both planes. After riding it, how does this motion compare to a full rocker plate?

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

There's obviously not as much side to side movement compared to a full 'rocker'. I'm not the biggest fan of those.

Off topic … these ‚table’ on your left while you zwifting. Whats the name of it? :)

If space requirement isn't a concern. I still perfer Inside Ride E-flex + Wahoo Kickr (or Core) so far from what I'm seeing.

so to wrap up. wahoo kickr move or tacx neo 2t with motion plates? what about side to side movement? is it more or less the same as on neo ?

Remote lockout will be a must then... cant afford to stop pedalling mid race to lock the machine when pushing big watts on hills or final sprint..

Looks a lot like the motion and movement of the Garmin Tacx NEO Motion Plates. It's a shame Wahoo couldn't make this a $199 USD add-on like the NEO Motion Plates. I love my motion plates, I guess my wife will have to do without as her Kirkr 5 is a long way from needing replacement.

Any comparison with Tacx Neo (with the plates) ?

Would be cool to compare saddle pressures wile riding between standart kickr & Kickr move.

Just rode the kickr move for the first time. encountered the same leaning to one side issue. going to try and level it for the next ride. are others finding this?

@chrisjones2248

7 ай бұрын

Yes seeing exactly the same problem; leaning bike of Pisa. Really crap IMHO. I don’t think using countering the lean with floor pad adjustment is a credible solution either. Bah. Looking to send mine back

Soon the kickr will be more realistic than riding outdoors 😮

So nice to see recyclable packaging this time round :) Little bit jelly looking at my kickr, this movement looks fantastic! Thanks for the thorough review, really quality work!

1300w still impressive 💪💪💪💪💪💪

Shane - top notch review here. Question - I bought a Move for my son. He does a fair bit of racing. On the first ride he had mixed feelings about the movement and noted that the calibration seemed off. I know this unit auto calibrates. We have 2 other Kickrs of earlier generations. I did some side by side non-scientific testing and sure enough it seemed harder (higher HR) to maintain similar power numbers on the Move vs the old stationary units and 5s top sprint power was about 50 watts higher on the stationary units vs the Move, in both open and closed setting. In essence, assuming the power is accurate, might the movement be stealing watts?

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

Movement shouldn’t be taking any watts. You’ll need to perform some power comparisons with a bike power meter and multiple tests.

that power cord..... it will be caught to the mechanism.

@Chader9

9 ай бұрын

They should have implemented a better solution for that. Some people will eventually have a problem.

Did you manage to measure the handlebar with spirit level too? My saddle is level but handlebar is way tilted, no idea why

We need an add-on that captures the direction/turn of the front tire so that that info can move you in the correct direction in relation to the software viewport. Then some developers need to make mods or updates for games that can utilize all this hardware so a rigged bike can be used to play the games.

Hey mate! I've had some issues with my KickrV6 - the front end doesn't stack up with the rear end when the bike is attached. Have you noticed this on the Kickr V6 and the Move? I've set my Kickr V6 to 700c and the rear axle measures a little higher (about 10mm) higher than the front. I made a video asking people about it on my channel but no responses so far.

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

I've always used a front wheel block. The Kickr 6 has two height settings lower than 700c. Maybe try either of those.

@VeloGrapher

9 ай бұрын

you're a legend for replying so quick! THANK YOU@@gplama I've tried the lower settings but none of them line the axles up at the same height. I've resorted to using a 10mm riser block to get the bike level. A little bit bummed considering how much they cost.

Wow! 2.5k! Subscription model Wahoo? I want one but there's some serious overtime needed...

I notice you mention race mode, Do you use power match in Zwift when using the kickr? (outside of kickr specific testing cases)

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

No

Shane my original Neo just died, from this and the V6 or the Neo 2T which would you buy for yourself if you could only have one?

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

V6. The 2T is four years old and without WiFi (which I really like!)

Hmmmm🤔 I've heard eating Ginger is good for combating motion sickness! How long until you will snag that power cable in the mechanism?

The slow accumulation of "minor" upgrades are starting to tempt me to upgrade from a Kickr v4/2018 but I don't know if it's quite enough yet... if they added HR bridging it might have pushed me over.

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

WiFi/Direct Connect is a game changer too.

@TooManyGooglAccounts

9 ай бұрын

@@gplama And HR bridged over WiFi/Dircon might have sealed the deal for me.

Would the moving setting be good for spint training? Specifically i mean training you to sprint better, like sprinting on rollers.

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

No.

Interesting one. I find riding indoors for multiple hours quite hard on the hips. Does this make it a bit easier and is it the front to back or side to side wiggle that helps more?

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

It depends. Nobody can confidently say it'll be better or worse. It's one of those things you'd have to try.

@chrisridesbicycles

9 ай бұрын

@@gplama Difficult thing to try because the effect is only feelable after 3+ hours. Where do I find a bike shop that lets me sweat on their floor for 3 hours? 🙃

Isn’t this the same as Inside Ride’s E-motion trainer bracket?

Hey! Easy on the chevrons 😅😅

Thanks GP… don’t know if the extra $ is worth what you get out for his new trainer???? Just a quick question please.. do you (or anyone else) know of anywhere in Melbourne that services Kickr. Units? I hav da rubbing noise similar to disc brake rubbing noise in a bike. I’ve asked a few bike shops with no luck. Thank you

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Value / worth is subjective. If people really dislike the static setup of the other Kickrs, it's a good option. Ping FE Sports up in QLD about where they suggest taking the Kickr for servicing.

Will you be trying it with the climb and the adapter any time soon?

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Yep, when that arrives.

@davemaynard3826

9 ай бұрын

@@gplama I’m tempted. V tempted. It the cost of a new kickr move against keeping the old one I have. And going for a rocker plate with for and aft movement. A full length one to use my climb too. And wondering if the new climb adapter would make it safer than just using without? Hmmmm

😊

@6:55 Shane zwift has changed the free-wheeling dynamics in game. You roll a lot more now when you stop pedalling since pd4.0 and now 4.1

Oh. And what was the dircon?? You mentioned? That must have passed me by

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Direct Connect. The protocol developed by Wahoo that allows connectivity over Ethernet (either wired or WiFi). kzread.info/dash/bejne/iqh9r5dvZ5jKfNI.html They've since added WiFi to their trainers bypassing the need for the adapter (it's still an option though).

There will soon be leaning involved

It's not clear to me if/why the forward/backward motion adds anything of value. Most of the non-lockout action sequences show at most 1 inch forward/backward movement. When sprinting, Shane even makes a comment about "once you get used to it it's not that bad". What am I missing here? I don't think the additional $300 is such a stretch (once you've committed to $1,300) if there's a good reason for it.

looks neat but I guess steering is out of the window

Does anyone else see the problem here? If you turn the front wheel even slightly, you could end up “walking” the front end a couple inches to the side, potentially unevenly stressing the frame/dropouts…

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Hasn't happened here (yet). The rear feet lock in pretty hard to the mat I've had it on.

Is it 12speed compatible not sure if you mentioned it🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Yes. Shimano 12 speed Hyperglide+ is backwards compatible with HG freehubs on these trainers. For SRAM AXS 12spd you'll need an XDR driver/freehub.

@tonygenovese6239

9 ай бұрын

Thank you great info really like your channel 👍👍👍

My kickr 5 and 6 had the same alignment issue where one leg was much higher than the other. Absolutely annoying

@Xantulle

9 ай бұрын

Wahoo build quality and welding is debatable.. not sure who does QC in Taiwan. I bought a Kickr 5 and had to do two exchanges with quality issues, third one was the charm.

Is there a new upgrade coming to Kickr Core ?

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Nothing announced.

@4:41 Shane has a twin brother 😮 The things we get to know here.

So how come the saddle level was so far off floor level? I understand the fix by compensating with the legs but it s this actually just a design flaw? too much lateral movement and the geometry of the kickr leans the bike way over?

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Good question. I don’t know.. yet.

It's impossible for me to connect in wifi 5. It connect only on wifi6 Do you have the same problem ? It's strange

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

I don’t understand the problem sorry. It’s only 2.4GHz WiFi as I understand, if that helps?

@rgjudo3182

6 ай бұрын

@@gplama my wifi 5 IS on 2.4 and mÿ wifi6 is too in 2.4

@rgjudo3182

6 ай бұрын

@@gplama it connect only with the new norm ! Very strange

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

Hmmm. What channels are they on? There was an issues years ago with Elemnt GPS not connecting to Ch 13 (I think it was?)

@rgjudo3182

6 ай бұрын

@@gplama i dont know I havent no problem with a Garmin edge 1040 for exemple I try to find the Channel and change it. Its a good way 👍

not working with the kicker climb? Then I can forget that device... , just got a kiss from my bank account.

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

I mention the Climb compatibility. It’s in the specs and my summary.’

@wamote6867

9 ай бұрын

@@gplama ah.. a video i wait for....

i struggle to see the problem this addresses.

I wish that you had spent more time explaining the rationale for incorporating aft movement into the platform. For as long as I have been riding in the real world (some 35 years), my bike has never had the tendency to move backwards whilst riding. I don’t see the point in this feature and, rather, view it as a negative that introduces unrealistic and unwanted oscillation. For me, it certainly is not an incentive to buy the bike. More side-to-side motion or simulation of leaning into turns would have been a preferable inclusion more aligned with what actually occurs out on the road.

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

If you're after a sales pitch to convince you this is what you need to buy, this might not be the right place. Movement like this won't be for everyone.

Surely if you have to clip out and disengage the fore/aft movement to sprint this is a big NO for anyone who wants to race?!….😢

Explains the recent price drop but wouldn't this tech be better on a trainer bike ?

@Chader9

9 ай бұрын

The price drop was only on the Kickr Core trainer with all others the same (ignoring the "sale" on the ROLLR). As far as motion, adding it to trainers AND smart bikes makes sense. The comfort and motion issues are the same whether the "bike" is integrated (smart bike) or separate (trainer). Perhaps worse with the smart bike since they are often heavier and more "stable", but if motion is good for that, trainers benefit too. "Motion for All" is what I say :D

What is the point of this ?

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Honestly, they have to do something. Not much has changed since 2018.

@mlara03celtics

9 ай бұрын

@@gplama Is this not almost an exact copy of what InsideRide is doing with the kickr attachment. Just in a more streamlined approach without the added parts.

The fact that it's not self-centering is a real design flaw. Being vertically wonky out of the box ain't good.

Won’t work too well with the climb lol 😂

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

It does. Stay tuned.

Amazing technology. Horses for courses - I can't imagine spending any time riding indoors

Seems like a waste of money I’ll keep my original kickr

Hey, I set up my Kickr move yesterday. During the first test, I noticed a “ Scratching noise”when the trainer moved back and forth. Can you confirm this with your Kickr? Here’s a video: kzread.infoE1pgJ19RhaA?si=c1d5rtWN0lMk--Ok

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Not normal.

Do not understand all these gadgets anymore. Started with the (good old) CompuTrainer, over the years various Wahoo's (wheel-on - direct drive), Tacx and even Elite. Since a year C2 BikeErg. More noise yes, but solid and just does the job every day 60 ~120min with TrainerRoad/PerfPro workouts. So no more fancy gimmicks like Climb or Move for me anymore. If I want to move forward I go outside 🤣

Neo did this since day 1

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Not exactly.... unless you installed it on a set of roller-skates?

@Chader9

9 ай бұрын

Neo had side flex only, which is minimal at best. It took them beyond 3 generations (OG/2/2T) before they offered the Motion Plates that add the most visible and rewarding fore-aft motion. They did beat Wahoo to that by a year, but they were still behind the other DIY and smaller rocker plate makers by several years.

Trainers are getting better but still terrible compared to real world experience. This doesn't tempt me.

Not gonna be great when your front wheel isn't straight while rocking...

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

No issues encountered with that.. yet. I guess it'd depend on the flooring and the grip the feet have to stop the unit moving sideways. You'd have to be riding pretty drunk to get it to move much.... I need to test this. 🍻

That thing looks like a horrible ride. Like, what is the point of moving back and fro? My front tire would be squeaking away on my rubber mat! Besides, I gave up on Wahoo two years, and two broken kickr cores ago. Saris has performed flawlessly!!

@redleaderone8429

9 ай бұрын

what broke on the core?

@snafujag100

9 ай бұрын

@@redleaderone8429 One both occasions the speed sensor failed.

honestly i don't buy it. would give me motion sickness

@gplama

5 ай бұрын

When the trainer is rockin' don't come knockin' 🤣

A bit over the top with all the power comparisons

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

What do you mean? If you want a generic advert then this isn’t the place.

@mremtb7689

6 ай бұрын

@@gplama Dont get me wrong, it's a great review! What I mean is, really who worries if 3 power sources shows that one of them is out by 1%? Cooling the room and heating it up while cycling to see if this creates any power differences. I mean, just why?

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

Because not doing this level of review is to blindly believe what companies are selling you is as they say, without question. And that's simply advertising. If you're spending $2,000, wouldn't you want some kind of assurance that what you're getting will perform as you expect? And what if that assurance comes for free here on KZread from someone who's done this kind of work for years? That's a pretty good deal if you ask me. Why you'd comment saying it's a waste of time is playing to the manufacturers and letting them get away with making underperforming products. I read a comment the other day that said a lot of reviews of bike tech are "non-critical". That explains a LOT of what you're seeing and why you're seeing it from other reviewers.

I thought this was a joke or diy... interesting

Wahoo is a great product. I feel sorry for them that they have to develop this. Nobody is going to buy it

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

They've put bets on all horses. Dropping the CORE to US$599 means they're not just focusing on the 'Porsche' end of the market.

The only thing is, i don’t want my trainer to move! I want a nice sturdy unit and that’s one reason why i like my Wahoo Kickr. I don’t get this, it seems pointless.