Both are winners in my eyes. Mk7/7.5 golfs are one of the best cars I've had and I've owned 3 of them over the years

Golf Gti! I brought the GTI performance which has bit more power and its enough really in the real world. Not driven it quite like you yet but I like the style more aswell just looks bit more special then the R but of course everyone is different.

Went GTI Performance myself, the extra power of the R would be nice but you’re at the back of a queue of traffic in no time and the GTI looks better all of the time.

@ap6584

Жыл бұрын

I have a 2018 GTI Performance, got a Unicorn stage 1 map, 305 bhp / 369lbs/ft, made a huge difference and quicker than a standard R once you're on the move..

@LSD04

Жыл бұрын

@@ap6584 I have thought about a stage one but I went manual and apparently the clutches are 💩 and don’t last long once you add extra power, maybe in the future.

@snapperbread5589

Жыл бұрын

@@LSD04 My thoughts exactly! I am itching for a remap but the additional cost of upgrading clutch will be expensive 🤯

@jackbarraclough4711

Жыл бұрын

@@snapperbread5589 I’ve just done it, my clutch let go so I decided to do the stage 1 software along with an upgraded clutch. Circa 2k🙃

@snapperbread5589

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know, think I will save up to do it! Wish VW made better clutches for mk7 golf

The GTI is more fun around town/city. The gearing is different on the GTI and feels like torque comes sooner and feels lighter around sharp corners. The R has a sweet spot from 40 to 80 mph. if you're in sport mode. I like the fog lights and red stripe of the GTI but I like the exclusive lapiz blue on the R. I wanted the color so I picked the R.

@Fritzleding

7 ай бұрын

The difference is the R has a bigger turbo than the gti, so it makes more power but with more turbo lag

I went for a TCR instead of the R. A bit more unique, looks better, same power as the R and I think will retain its value a lot better.

@dimsoneill

8 ай бұрын

Good choice! Look the best too.

@jimjamthebananaman1

7 ай бұрын

Less power than the R by about 25 horses

@richboy900

6 ай бұрын

Great decision. I always liked the Clubsport S, but the car is so rare for a GTI I reckon it'd be more of a collector's car and many will be garage queens

@richardjones9886

6 ай бұрын

@@jimjamthebananaman1 The 7.5 R has 20 bhp (306) more than the TCR, the 7 R (296) only has 10bhp more than the TCR.👍

@albertocomesana1248

5 ай бұрын

Less power, actually (but less weight too, which gives the TCR a better power-to-weight ratio)

both incredible cars!

I went for a GTI Performance because I wanted the lighter car, the grip it has with the LSD is just silly, love it. A stage 1 map transforms the car and gets you pops and bangs if you want them.

@HassanAli-zh7nz

Жыл бұрын

How’s traction on the stage 1?

@ap6584

Жыл бұрын

@Hassan Ali fine in the dry, in the wet t/c just kills the power unless you're in 4th gear and up

@dimsoneill

8 ай бұрын

Brought a Skoda RS 245 for the same reasons. Plus an awesome fast wagon. Waiting for the warranty to run out so I can give it a stage 1

@ap6584

8 ай бұрын

@dimsoneill I would definitely suggest doing some airbox mods or induction kit, and turbo inlet pipe when you go stage one, I found they make a significant difference.

@johngreen8693

5 ай бұрын

Same reasoning here. Rear ARB makes a big difference apparently.

That’s why I love my mk6 Ed35 over the mk6 golfR it keeps you on your toes.

I chose a Skoda Octavia RS 245 wagon. The running gear of a Git clubsport, with as the practicality of a huuuge interior wagon/estate. Love it

I know my comment is late but ive only just recently found this channel, I used to own a mk 7 Golf R and changed to a Cupra, and the cupra is 100x more fun and just faster (unless its from red lights) and now my cupra is stage 1, its another beast, keeps up with M3s, RS3s cars in those realms. youre more than welcome to review it if you wish :D

@ParagonCarsLondon

10 ай бұрын

i recently owned a stage 1 cupra so know exactly what you’re on about. Reviewed it a while ago, if you search our channel you’ll find it.

@joeyschmidt7546

3 ай бұрын

sadly no cupra available in the usa

Would be interesting to get the performance version with the diff and extra power compared to the R

I have 2019 GTI performance that is now tuned 322hp, also I have Bilstein shocks with Eibach springs. So much fun to drive and ALOT of cheaper than R, at least here in Finland.

@adr3510

7 ай бұрын

2017 facelift R's with 20-30k miles are 25k in england 2019 gti performance 20-30k miles are 25k too golf r launch and power and stability golff gti aggressiveness torque and fun i need nietzche or dovtoesky to help me

@Walter_White66

28 күн бұрын

Yes, it's fun in the rain and snow to never shift the power to the ground 😂🤦🏻‍♂️ An R without electronic aids is much more fun.

@carlrea

12 күн бұрын

Did you have to upgrade your clutch with that sort of power upgrade? Thanks in advance

@Kualeppi

12 күн бұрын

@@carlrea nope, car has 7-speed automatic. It was programmed too to handle more power and get optimized gear change.

@carlrea

12 күн бұрын

@@Kualeppi That's great to hear. So the dsg gearbox is stronger? Thanks for coming back to me 👍🏻

I have both, golf r stage 1 is the best solution, so so much quicker and nice to drive, safer, much better in bad road or hard climate conditions.

Interesting review, thanks! I've bought a 2016 GTI PP despite there being more Rs available locally. Similar price, lower running costs, lighter, less of a theft magnet, more fun and a runaround.. Planned minor improvements are a remap and stiffer rear ARB if I feel the need. Hopefully I'll be happy.

@Walter_White66

28 күн бұрын

Much more fun in the rain and snow to stay on site? 😂😂😂🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

You should do one of these with the m140i and golf r/amg 45, theyre around similar prices now and after driving them all i was blown away with the feel of the 140 in gear it feels so rapid and thats coming from a cupra 290 which felt quick

@ParagonCarsLondon

Жыл бұрын

Might be able to do golf r vs 140i. 140i is quicker than a golf/a45 by quite a bit in stock form.

@jb123564

Жыл бұрын

@@ParagonCarsLondon yeah I thought that but if you search on Google you get a lot of people arguing the r is quicker due to awd, I'd imagine it'd get gapped 30-70

I ❤ it as I got both, standard r and mapped gti. The gti is definitely more fun 👍

@loubonnett

8 ай бұрын

Interesting. I bought a MK7.5 GTI in 2020 at a steal $25,300 (dealer asked $34, 300), so i feel great about the purchase but I still wondered if I was missing out not getting the R. Glad to hear your experience.

@TIM612826

8 ай бұрын

@@loubonnett both my cars are manual, I think the heavier clutch on the gti feels more connected. the r is a lovely car I use it for the weekend and holidays. It's only better in the wet and cold as u can put the power down all the time compared to the gti. I think it would be a different animal if it was tuned tho. Glad your pleased with the gti, I ❤️ the interior more aswell.

the problem with the R is its still a FWD car until it detects slip.. it will always have the dynamics of an FWD vehicle. corner exit is obviously more forgiving as you can indiscriminately mash the throttle, but the tendency is always to plow

@JustinStrife

8 ай бұрын

Get a haldex tune that'll help a lot with that.

@Walter_White66

28 күн бұрын

Sunday enthusiast, there is no difference between a permanent 4-wheel drive and the Haldex in feeling. I'm on my 3rd car with a haldex, S3 8p, 7R, RS3 8v2... it's even much better to drive with this technology because lighter and more agile than a real Quattro so thank you for returning to your old Scenic and leaving the connoisseurs among themselves.

The Golf R is faster in every possible way(both on the circuit and the highway), and the GTI is more fun to drive because it feels more nimble and authentic, not as "robotic" like the R. The GTI with the Performance package is even better(bigger brakes, a bit more HP, and mechanical LSD). The Golf TCR would be the best choice, both looks and performance. Too bad the Clubsport has no 7.5 facelift :(

@krez060

10 ай бұрын

The 7.5 has the TCR which shares the same engine as the Golf R, just like the mk7 Clubsport variant.

❤ GTI wins because at the end of the day its all about fun and the driving. Oh and i think a white gti performznce just looks so cool

That's what I don't like about the golf r and s3. You have to drive like a complete bell end to have proper fun. Unless you're planning of going for big power 400+bhp I would prefer a gti

Amazing cars

I think the golf R has a much nicer front bumper. It’s just more simple and aggressive looking

As a MK7 GTI owner myself, modded with an IS38 turbo, custom tune, and FBO, I will say the MK7 GTI is a very boring car stock. My perspective might be different as I came from owning an E46 M3 6spd, that I eventually supercharged and was FBO. So getting into the MK7 GTI, I literally was able to drive it past it’s limits handling wise the very first day I bought it. So as a stock car, the MK7 GTI, to me, is just boring. The Golf R is a much better stock car. BUT the GTI is the better car if you plan on modding it, in terms of price per performance. You can make the MK7 GTI very quick, and very capable in turns, with basic mods, and still come out cheaper than a stock Golf R. Yes, you can make a Golf R silly fast with mods too, but considering it’s MSRP price, it’s pretty expensive. The MK7 GTI’s biggest downfall is it’s FWD. Yes, it gives you drama, but it spins front tires and understeer a like crazy when flying through corners or when putting more power into it. To some that’s fun drama, and I get that, but having had a fast and very capable RWD E46 M3, the FWD just lets me down on my GTI. Overall the GTI is really good for the price. Would I like a Golf R? Sure. But for it’s MSRP price, it’s not a car I would ever choose. Now, if the Golf R had a bigger engine over the GTI then my thoughts on the Golf R would be different, but considering it has the same engine as the GTI, it’s just not that attractive to me when I can get the same exact power very easily out of the GTI, for a lot cheaper.

@orbytl2799

Жыл бұрын

@@High_Octane_Hero golf R is not boring it just handles its std 300 bhp with ease, like its nothing it needs at least a stg 1 to really bring it to life i went from a gti to R and the R is a far more capable car in every way tbh, im in the peak district and ive given both a real good beating on some proper roads in all conditions

I have a 2012 gti, had the stage 1 computer and i put a new motor in it because that one was blown. No regrets. I may be more of a obs chevy kinda guy, but that gti up in ontario kicks out when you punch the gas around a corner, and with esc off shell tear the fronts apart until about 100kmh, i prefer the gti. Rode in a 40th anniversary golf r, but my ruby red wolfsburg gti definitely gives butterflies, I wish i could afford the golf r ahaha

@RB12377

Ай бұрын

Stock mj7is faster than stage1 mk6

What would you choose from the Golf GTI and the Cupra 290 both very similar price.

@ParagonCarsLondon

Жыл бұрын

i’d go for the cupra 290 lux pack. More power and you get all the options you want.

Most fun is the one you can afford

Prefer the R over the Gti purely for grip,I don’t get why people say its more fun being fwd it’s not fun sitting spinning front wheels or wheel hop when trying to put power down I like going from A to B as quick as possible when in mood

@gmoney5437

4 ай бұрын

So your scared

@stevencowie1540

4 ай бұрын

@@gmoney5437 nothing scary about a Gti mate

I got the mk7 GTI, Went stage 2. I complained about traction for about 3 years until finally just getting a damn R. NO REGRETS. I 100% understand that the GTI required much more skill to drive, you had to be more involved. But bruh I’m flooring the R around turns in the wet and it just hooks every time. The 4th gear feels like the GTI’s 3rd gear. I think the MQB community likes to diminish the difference between the two, but I was shocked by the difference in handling.

@notyourgrandmasgolf8950

Жыл бұрын

Did your GTI have the VAQ diff?

@dimsoneill

8 ай бұрын

​@@notyourgrandmasgolf8950very good question. It's brilliant.

@thedilznick

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@notyourgrandmasgolf8950I just saw this… yes sir I had the front LSD. Only seemed to help with corners, not spin.

Would you get a manual or a dsg? Does the gti suit manual as opposed to the r suiting the dsg?

@ParagonCarsLondon

Жыл бұрын

I'd get a DSG for both honestly. The manual box isn't anything special in these plus the clutches are made of chocolate haha.

I think where the R has a bigger turbo, it takes noticeably longer to spool. When i time 30-70 starting bang on 30, my manual R does 4.8. If i start from 20mph and the turbo is already on, i get 4.2. My friends new skoda vrs with the 245bhp engine, if he gets a start on me, it takes a while to get past him.

@dimsoneill

8 ай бұрын

I have the RS 245. With a tune and that front diff it's a weapon.

The Golf R has more of a built for racing on tracks whereas the gti has more of a feel for road use if you put the R on a track the R will feel much better

I am looking to buy a golf r or a gti. Both great cars, but what is the point of 'getting the back end out' ? Its a road car i dont want it to go sideways

@tobyyoung1797

Жыл бұрын

may as well buy the base model then lmao

@yaboyg2049

Жыл бұрын

Its not really about having the back end kick on you its more of just the raw feeling of a drivers car which the gti delivers more then the golf R. Me having had the back end kick out on me on hard corners makes me enjoy it more because it gives a bit of a challenge to conquer rather then the car just doing it for me. Basically its just more fun

Does anyone know how i can get dsg farts on my ‘19 gti performance

The R if you live in ice/snow area otherwise GTi all day long, much lighter, more fun and much better economy.

Looking at 7.5 gtis and rs in Ireland but there's about a 5-6k difference in them. Is the R really worth that extra cash and running costs?

@ParagonCarsLondon

Жыл бұрын

in my opinion, no. The GTI is better bang for buck.

@Theferrariguy

11 ай бұрын

​@@ParagonCarsLondon cheers I actually just bought a gti earlier this week with the manual appreciate your advice!

Should have gone with the performance gti

I guess get the regular GTI and save a few bucks.

In the UK the Golf R is better as it rains all the time. I have amazing B roads where I live but it’s always wet and muddy, in the REAL world, the Golf R on a wet muddy B road would spank a Gti, no question about it.

GTI is the best.

@michaeldoherty1287

Жыл бұрын

How much do you need unless on a track.

@mattyg135

Жыл бұрын

R is way better me old mate

@BobK5

10 ай бұрын

@@mattyg135too heavy

@JustinStrife

8 ай бұрын

Not if you're looking for real power.

@BobK5

8 ай бұрын

@@JustinStrife power to weight Justin, the R is permanently carrying the equivalent of more than a very obese and large man in order that all four wheels can give traction for less than 95% of the time, the majority of the time sees the R using front wheel drive with a substantial weight handicap for nothing (unless you live in Scandinavia or North America etc where it’s very useful). That weight handicap also ruins the handling and suspension potential. The GTi on the other hand is livelier, more fun to drive, just as quick other than from a standing start, much better on fuel economy and insurance and much less likely to get stolen by thieving morons. If you want power buy an oil tanker they’ve got almost 20,000 bhp or you might want a cross channel ferry with multi engines over 22,000 bhp but they’re both very slow 🤣

The one you want is the one you can afford.

GTI any day

Tyres tyres tyres…. Looks like the gti had shitey Bridgestones hence the back end coming out. Driven both.. the gti is sweeter at slow speeds, the faster you get the r comes alive when the gti starts to run out of ideas. Tbh you’d made your mind up before driving 😂

Guy is wanting a 4wd car to break lose on a roundabout. Isn't the idea of 4wd to keep grip?

GTI !!!

Just put really bad tires on the Golf R and it will be at least "as fun" as a GTI. Same tires on a GTI, you could have even more fun sliding into a ditch in the rain.

I had the 245bhp GTI for 8 months take it from me the Golf R is better

@psiturbo

3 ай бұрын

I tested a few Mk7 GTis and Rs, and the R felt with so much muscle, a good suspension setup and it is one pocket rocket.