I think you guys do EV testing right. driving up a bloody mountain, yes! drive down the mountain, yes! did it make it?

@joeyscleaninglady2877

4 жыл бұрын

Was the SNARFS test ever done with the model x?

@schlix101

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I'd also like to know. How did their previous model 3 and current model X score on the same run? Would be nice to start getting some comparative data.

@MrMduchesne23

4 жыл бұрын

@@schlix101 I think it's a great real world stress test that highlights energy efficiency and regeneration ability. The really important aspects of the electric drivetrain. They should really record the consumption figures and energy recovery figures and total recharges required it's fantastic test situation

@MrMduchesne23

4 жыл бұрын

@Wolfgang Preier I live in BC canada...there are literally mountains everywhere I look. Have your government call my government I'm sure we can work something out.

@neliosamch3195

4 жыл бұрын

This test makes it clear that driving uphill will require dinamic slot charger every 6 miles compared to every 60 miles downhill. Only vehicles with mobile smart meter will be able to drive the electrified roads and the kw used will be added to the home electric monthly bill.

We recently bought a CPO e-Golf in very clean condition, with the fast charge upgrade, 30 months of basic warranty, and less than 10,000 miles on it for well under $15,000 cash out the door; fees, taxes, etc included. We enjoy the car and it handles 99% of our daily driving/commuting needs. We 100% charge at home with a level 2; easy. My brother used to live in Frisco, CO. I've experienced going over the Loveland Pass a few times and all of that is irrelevant. Why? Because it's a 1,000 miles from here.

perfect for where i live in Arizona...i could leave it plugged in all night and use it for any small trips and never stop at a gas station with it

Fund and informative video. Tommy has really grown into the star of the show.

Love it! Forget hunting or fishing trips it’s a father-son EV adventure. Very funny seeing Romans lack of patience at the charger

This scoring system is heavily in favor of (very expensive) cars for roadtrips. many people don´t ever need so much range to get around in their town....at least here in europe. Many cars don´t even drive 6000 miles per year and most of them drive less than 30 miles at one time until they get back to the charger. a small, cheap city car with reasonable range for city driving will score horribly in this scoring system for years to come :x

@joemacscott2677

4 жыл бұрын

At the same time the car you’re describing isn’t one you’d take to the top of the continental divide. I think it’s trying to compare the average combustion engine car to electric cars. Like they said over time electric cars will become closer to the combustion cars we have today. Many combustion cars are meant to be all around performers. Plus Americans drive much more than Europeans from what I’ve seen. Most of our states are larger than countries in Europe.

@velikdole9712

2 жыл бұрын

@@joemacscott2677 Average american driver drives ONLY 39 miles per day, Vokswagen E-golf has 125 miles of EPA range, enough said. Average european driver drives ONLY 20 miles per day. Enough said.

I can’t wait to see how the trucks perform on this test (F150 electric, Bollinger B2, Tesla pickup etc.)

Thanks for testing the eGolf. I have a 2019 Canadian eGolf. I appreciate your testing, but am not going to focus on the score. As Tommy says it is a great car! You've inspired me to take a road test (with charging along the way) to go from Vancouver British Columbia to Calgary Alberta!! Thanks again for testing the eGolf.

@mcamodell

4 жыл бұрын

Would love to hear your road test results

Just a little correction. You are not increasing the potential range by increasing the recuperation level. The most efficient way of driving is no recuperation at all which means just sailing. Then there are no energy losses in the car due to electrical resistance which produces heat. Recuperation levels are just for convenience, so you do not need to use the break pedal. For many people it's just more fun to drive with a high recu level.

That charger noise, i don’t know if I can handle that sound for 30 minutes....lol

@LlyleHunter

4 жыл бұрын

You walk away and get a cup of coffee

As a sidenote: the eGolf is an outgoing model. It is being replaced by the I.D. 3, which will get a much larger battery at 77 kWh and a range of 550 km 👍🏻

@78katz

4 жыл бұрын

Too bad we won't get the ID3 here in america.

Is it really a test if you don’t back it into your garage wall and test how long it takes to order parts ?

@andrewdiamond2697

4 жыл бұрын

This is awesome. You win the internet.

@poplaurentiu4148

4 жыл бұрын

They miss the Jaguar i-Pace instead of the e-Golf...

@ultrastoat3298

4 жыл бұрын

Also don’t forget to name drop how many followers the channel has. Then we got a test baby!!

God that charger was loud!!!

@jaybee2344

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a transformer

@GordonChaffin

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaybee2344 Yeah, most DC fast chargers sound like that at least for the first few minutes as the transformers get going.

@nlpnt

4 жыл бұрын

"Either it's fast charging or we need to RUN LIKE HELL!!"

@Deutscheautoparts

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaybee2344 Which transformer you think? My vote is Bumblebee

@Knightguyver

3 жыл бұрын

How long did it take to charge from 76%?

Charging a smaller battery to 80 will go faster than that 500 mile battery you want to see. You should measure mileage charged not battery percentage.

@zaminhuseynov9201

4 жыл бұрын

i guess it is equal no matter what to choose, could be considered both as one whole , both miles and percentage may vary depending different factors

@captainswjr

4 жыл бұрын

The batteries charge much better between 20 and 80 percent though. You'll get much more energy charging a bigger battery in the sweet spot then you will a full charge on a small battery.

@Noksus

4 жыл бұрын

But as the batteries increase in size, they need to charge faster or that larger capacity is pointless.

@STruple12

4 жыл бұрын

Not really, charging speeds are limited by the individual cells in the battery. Bigger batteries have only problems with cooling that can be solved by active cooling while recharging. With this logic you could charge your phone or laptop in matter of seconds.

OMG waiting for the charge station to work was stressing me out

@beemanseawa8726

4 жыл бұрын

And wtf was that whining noise?!

@beemanseawa8726

4 жыл бұрын

More stress!!

@angrymuffinsb

4 жыл бұрын

Beeman Seawa I’d rather get the i3 range extender and know I’d never have to hunt for a plug. On second thought, I’ll keep my supercharged petrol, just to annoy Greta 😂

@mowcowbell

4 жыл бұрын

As an owner of a EV, public charging sucks. Different standards, crazy stupid menu systems. Glad I can just charge at home.

@angrymuffinsb

4 жыл бұрын

Mowcowbell I drive long distances quite often, I don’t have the time to sit around waiting for it to charge. If you don’t drive too much or as a secondary car, then yeah, theoretically it’s great. Hydrogen fuel cell cars are potentially great. But here in the UK there’s less than ten stations in the whole country. Closest of which is nearly 200 miles away 🤦🏼‍♂️

I like the idea of scoring with an eye towards the future. Can’t wait for the Niro test. 👍

Roman looked like he kept getting irritated with Tommy when he would talk lol 10:20 and 14:05 when he corrected him.

EV mondays...? its sunday.

$4.57 for 32 miles...no thanks I’ll keep my TDI that gets average of 46mpg and diesel costs me 3.29 a gallon.

@daguzify

4 жыл бұрын

TDi has a city average of 31. Prius is better and won’t have electrical issues a day after the warranty expires. Or buy a Tesla and charge in your garage

@mxjb1125

4 жыл бұрын

daguzify My only option would be to charge at my home. I’ve looked into electric cars and there are no chargers near where I live or work. Maybe in a few years once technology advances more I’d buy into the electric car industry. It does interest me but just doesn’t work for me yet with range/accessibility.

@edcooper2396

4 жыл бұрын

There's always one!

@chugnorris7091

4 жыл бұрын

Diesel for the win, let me know when you figure out this electrified automobile thing.

@russiaKGB

4 жыл бұрын

Yep tdi☻👍

Your second category for charging appears flawed because it doesn't take into account the battery capacity. Given the same, or even less, charging uptake, a smaller battery will get a higher score if it hits 80% first, no?

Your scoring needs work. 1. Watt-hours per mile not watts per minute 2. Range is Range. If you are going to score it at the miles at finish then you must penalize the re-fillups. Otherwise you could recharge just before the finish line and get 10 points for having 100 miles of range left. You could not safely complete the test without a recharge. 3. You've got to use real world recharging time, not manufacturers advertised time. 4. Your subjective score is screwed up. What is the overall impression of a car that won't go fast enough to keep up with traffic, has ultra slow acceleration, and won't allow heating, cooling or use of radio etc.? There isn't a negative scale available!

15:15 - Holy shit, $4.57 to put roughly just 30 miles of range in (77% to 96%)?!?! This is the best pro-combustion engine video I've ever seen....even more expensive than gas cars.

@JustWasted3HoursHere

4 жыл бұрын

That's why charging at home is not only highly recommended, but what 95% of EV owners do. In that case it costs about that much to fill from empty. A lot of these quick charge stations are ripoffs (and Ionity just increased their prices dramatically).

@devenlemercier353

3 жыл бұрын

This is also because at this point Electrify America was charging by the minute instead of by the kWh, and since they started at 79% they were charging very slowly. Now Electrify America has switched to a per kWh pricing model in many states, so it is much cheaper. Also, this is the first generation of DC fast charging - if like most people you charge up at home even 80% of the time, this increased cost for a road trip over a gas car still means an EV is cheaper overall than any gas car, by far.

@John-209

3 жыл бұрын

More like 60 miles

@cup_and_cone

3 жыл бұрын

@@John-209 LOL, no. Where are you getting your facts? You think the eGolf is a 315 mile range vehicle? It's only 120 mixed miles on a full charge. They added 19% charge to the battery. That is far less than 30 miles....it's closer to 20 miles.

@John-209

3 жыл бұрын

@@cup_and_cone you are right my bad I’m looking at what I wrote and I must have made calculations for the Tesla sorry about that my bad

A large component of EV purchase decisions are based on gas savings. Therefore you should add an efficiency category and a base price of the car to your calculation.

So let me understand economics here.Tommy had to top it off at 31.8 miles driven and that cost him $4.57 while gallon of unleaded is roughly $2.50. Not bragging here but my civic gives me 40 miles range of 1 gallon at $2.50...Not to mention frustration Tommy experienced charging.I'm all for EVs but why bother?

@edcooper2396

4 жыл бұрын

Then charge the thing at home at 10c a kwh.

@andrewt9204

4 жыл бұрын

That charging station is like a taxi system, there was a minimum connection fee, plus a per minute charge, regardless of charge rate. Just like a taxi. Going just 5 miles will cost a lot more than driving yourself or taking a bike. The Tesla model of charging per kw is probably the better route. Also easier since it's automatic upon plugin. And all of this is only a real concern if this is your only vehicle and like to take a lot of trips. Using it as a commuter car where you only need to charge at home is where these really shine. And the mileage of this particular car is really low by today's standards. But your point is still valid. I plan to buy an electric car in a year or two, but keep my truck for long trips or whenever electric is not viable. Like -20° days...

@rafaljankowski2807

4 жыл бұрын

@@edcooper2396 Tommy should have brought long ass extension cord to charge from his own socket

@rafaljankowski2807

4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewt9204 than you have inconvenience of whole charging process outside your own garage.Tesla does it the best,but forget Tesla hence TFL troubles with fixing fender bender a while ago(and cost of it)

@andrewt9204

4 жыл бұрын

@@rafaljankowski2807 98% of my trips are to work, friends, family, etc, and are all within a 70 mile radius. so any EV with 200 miles of range is more than adequate if I plug in overnight. The other 2% I'll just take the truck. It would work for me, and probably a majority of people. But to eliminate ICE vehicles, I think charging will have to get to 150 miles in 10 minutes or less. Most road trips I get up and walk around for 15 minutes every gas stop anyway.

Love your electric reviews. You guys does it way more interesting than any other. Tommy = EV maestro!

@Chrisb8s

4 жыл бұрын

I like how you are the everyday non educated ev driver. It’s good. As you use them more to pi seem to learn how they work.

Imagine thinking of scoring system that only cars years from now can get good marks on: "This 1965 Mustang scores a zero on safety since there's no airbags or lane assist." "What are those?" "I don't know, but I know it doesn't have them!" "Good point. You don't see horses running willingly off a clif, do ya?"

e-Golf gen 1 (and Leaf gen 1) is now one of the hardest used car models to sell on the used car marked i Norway.

I had a 2015 e-golf (first year, 83 mile range) until 2018 and it was a great commuter car for my 30 miles each way.

@fred_e

4 жыл бұрын

I have one, too. It's rather pleasant to drive. I have a question for you. When your golf is plugged in, can you use the climate control without using the (awful) carnet app or website?

Well done, fellas. You're ahead of the curve with all the real-world testing. Keep up the great work.

@edcooper2396

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure driving up a mountain in Eco+ with the A/C off is all that real world, but none the less it is interesting.

@Thomas-qk7wf

4 жыл бұрын

@@edcooper2396 Thanks for the brilliant response and for adding to a positive comment to the content creator. You're a real inspiration.

@edcooper2396

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thomas-qk7wf oops, sorry for stepping into your safe space. It's great to see EV's being pushed, and I enjoyed this video, but I find the testing Bjorn does much more real-world.

@Thomas-qk7wf

4 жыл бұрын

No safe spaces needed here. Nor are negative comments from armchair quarterbacks. Keep it positive or keep it to yourself. It adds nothing to the discussion.

$4.57 doesn't seem very cheap for the short distance you had driven in a Golf. What am I missing? I thought you saved money driving an ev.

@CL-gq3no

4 жыл бұрын

You aren't missing anything. That charger is charging about 4 to 5 times the normal rate compared to something like Tesla's SuperCharger network. It's possible that it's charging by *time* and energy (i.e. minimum charge per minute) since it's such a high powered charger and designed to get cars in/out quickly. That would put this car (not really designed for long road trips and fast charging) at a disadvantage since it is limited to only 50kW charging. Having said that, nearly all EV charging is done at home were the prices are even lower that what you get at a reasonable charging station so that is where the real cost savings come into play. These charging stations are mostly for long distance road trips.

@10melvis

4 жыл бұрын

Wow that's expensive compared to a Tesla supercharger which cost about $8 for 100 miles of charge.

Hey TFL, great Colorado scenery! Love it! How about calculating the average energy spent in kW and giving us that number as a reference of efficiency between cars. Also...temperature we need to know the temperature during the test. I feel we lack solid grounds for comparison, range is never a solid comparison point between EV's: each car calculates it differently! For reference binge watch TeslaBjorn's channel on YT! Take a bit of his methodology and concepts and and inject this into your reviews and tests

@nielsdebakker3283

4 жыл бұрын

I saw 31F (0Celsius) not very good for batteries. And a score for kW/mile would be a good idea, kW=money.

I like your electric car rating system, but, could you add value in it some way?

You guys have the best car/truck vlog on the Net. Period. Thanx for the great work and information. I would love to see you get to one million subs by the end of February 2020.

I really enjoy the father 'n son segments - (and the others as well, André & Nathan). More in-line six 3.0 Duramax Diesel videos, please.

This is a good idea, and as a transportation journalist with OCD, I love the scoring system. It's like Alex on Autos over here.

This really does underline how far ahead Tesla is in almost every respect.

I would argue against "range range range". Besides road trips, how often will you drive 250 miles in a day? I would say weight weight weight. I'm on my 6th winter on my Winter tires. My little Fit weighs 2500lbs

Really awesome videos you guys make. I have a suggestion. When we go to the mountains, we normally go to have fun with friends and family. All seats are full. It would be great to see what's the efficiency and range when we drive with at least 4 people in the car. Thank you.

@nickcowley8757

4 жыл бұрын

I can tell you having a smaller battery nissain leaf it really makes a difference

Wh/M is not watts per minute. lol It is Watt hours per Mile. So while you drive you use on average ~300 Watts per mile. I remember going up to Mt. Mitchell in a Model X 100D, which is the highest point East of the Mississippi, we were averaging somewhere around ~900 Wh/M. It's hard to push all that weight up a mountain.

I had the 2016 e-Golf (83 miles of range) and absolutely loved it... until I got a Tesla Model 3. Tesla is a decade ahead of everyone else in the EV market. I regret not getting one sooner.

One insight that you've provided is that It seems like the best way to enjoy an electric car is to plan correctly. Significant elevation changes and load conditions complicate the calculus. The onboard calculator needs work.

Nearly every time I watch one of you EV testing Videos I am quickly reminded of what I wouldn't own an EV. Nothing but headaches. I am WAY too impatient to deal with issues like these. When I get into my car, I want to go. Period. If I need gas, it shouldn't take any more than about 3-4 minutes and I am back on the road. Imagine if you had arrived at that charging station nearly depleted of energy and started having those issues.

@mowcowbell

4 жыл бұрын

I have no headaches you speak of. Plug in my car in the garage each night, wake up to a fully charged battery.

@aussie2uGA

4 жыл бұрын

Thats the idea of this channel 😉

Subjective score. Let's think about this for a moment. Yes, it has all these convenience features. Probably a great stereo, A/C, Heater/ Cruise Control etc. But, when you decide you want to use those conveniences, it steals away from your overall range. Then on drives like you just did with it and you choose Eco + mode, then you lose the ability to use those. How convenient is it to have to choose between range and speed/convenience?

“It’s easy” Car doesn’t start charging for 15 minutes! Lol

I feel like that fast charger is actually the... Hellcat of chargers

@sonictech1000

4 жыл бұрын

It certainly has Chrysler reliability.

@406Steven

4 жыл бұрын

VTEC kicked in, yo.

16:52 Watts per minute?!? What kind of unit is that? I guess you meant Watt-hours per mile.

Love the ev series guys! Thanks for all the hard work!

3 yr ev user here in flatland Ohio. 3 different eve's. Zero range issues once we understood the game. Wife is #1 driver. Her technique is get in car and go. Rarely charge outside of our house. Over the 3 yrs public chargers have been springing up like mushrooms.

I think Tommy cheated VW by not using the climate control system, which is what a driver of any car would do..not drive around like you're scared to drive your own car. Nobody is going to buy electric cars and then not use the features the cars come with...this is supposed to be a real world test. If I run out of gas, I'm calling a flatbed... If I bought an EV, I would make sure to setup any accounts/registrations needed before using various charging stations. It's just quicker and simpler, like having an Exxon or Chevron or Shell Gas credit card with those respective fueling stations

I've found that in steep hills, its a very good idea to use the speed limiter, and put the car in D. Then let off the throttle, and don't touch the brakes, unless you have some sharp turns. As soon as it gets to the speed limit, it will start regenerating. I regenerated about 20 km in a couple of minutes.

I’ve got range anxiety, and I’m in my living room 🤯🙈 Overall, I do like all the newer golf models.

It was really great to watch! Greetings from germany!

just another reason why my next vehicle will be a Tesla, I can't believe how non-tesla chargers are so unreliable! I am loving this channel for informing about this stuff. I had no idea how terrible other chargers are...

@CL-gq3no

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's disappointing how unreliable, expensive, and unfriendly they are compared to the Tesla charger network.

@bmartinez2086

4 жыл бұрын

My next car is a Camaro ZL1 1LE. Because I dont believe in electric cars.

@AndrewPL5

4 жыл бұрын

Brandon Martinez sorry to hear that. Unfortunately in the future electric is going to be the only thing available...and I know you're going to say otherwise so save your breath 😂😂

@JTR253

4 жыл бұрын

Andrew P not even close.

@AndrewPL5

4 жыл бұрын

Mike H okay lol 👌

I really like the test. For scoring, I suggest tweaking it a bit so that if the car completes the test that it doesn't get a '0'... Though the e-Golf takes a long time to charge compared to the standard you set, it was capable of being recharged, so '0' doesn't make sense. By comparison, the e-Golf doesn't actually have enough range to complete the whole test, but the car still got a 1.8, so that seems inconsistent... Another thing that would be interesting for TFL to explore (partnering with Engineering Explained?) is to break down the constituents of energy consumption in a vehicle... How many watt-hours per mile consumed at a couple of speeds (improved by being more aerodynamic), how many watt-hours consumed per 1000 feet of elevation climbed (improved by weight reduction), how many watt-hours the climate control system takes to maintain a temperature difference between the cabin and the outside (improved by low emissivity glass, insulated panels, etc), and finally, how much energy goes into other stuff (lighting, display, infotainment - which is all going to be in the noise)... People obviously don't have any clue about where their watts, and watt-hours are going, and I think you guys could help understand it better...

Charging cars is pain in azz but it reminds me of the internet 15 years back and look where we are now together with smart phone and all.i bet in ten years we will charge via cell phone and wireless.soon

@multivisao

4 жыл бұрын

15y? Lol more like 40y ago...

@CaptainMir

4 жыл бұрын

@@jasenrock very true but oil Mafia have started wars for much less.they will not let electric tech eat their pie.look at Iraq, Syria and iran

@CaptainMir

4 жыл бұрын

@@multivisao 15 years ago cell phone were AM and now its GSM

@joesterling4299

4 жыл бұрын

You mean the internet 20-25 years ago. 15 years ago, we had already moved way past dial-up speeds. I remember the aughts very well.

E golf vs TDI. Time over distance vs cost please. The 2 most economical Golfs. My money is saying the TDI isn't far off in fuel cost, and over 1 hour shorter time.

Roman is loving some Grand Funk Railroad!

The pain of driving a compliance car at any considerable distance.. I remember doing this in a Ford Focus Electric that has 75-80mi range driving between San Diego and LA. Had to tailgate behind big rigs, slowly accelerate on downhills to gain momentum, reduce speed on uphill, plan all my charging hops on level 2... It took 3-4 hours if I have to stop and charge, all day if I had to travel round trip.

Gotta love the father-son dynamic. Every episode is No You're Wrong

Question for Tommy! What do you think the best PHEV or fully electric EV would be a great starter vehicle for a 16 y/o that lives in WV, something pre-owned and under 25K?

@tomasmica325

4 жыл бұрын

Matt's Cars & Music Good question. Honestly e Golfs (newer models with 125 range) are very very good. If I were you, i’d probably check out Volts. Both first and second gen are highly underrated. Stay away from first gen leafs imo.

@evibes512

4 жыл бұрын

For PHEV, a lightly used Chevy Volt would be the best. Charge at home so trips to school on electric, gas backup for no range anxiety and longer range trips. Curious what Tommy would say.

Great video, as always! I’ve had the eGolf for about 10 months now and I absolutely love it! It’s no Tesla but it sure has a lot going for it! Anyway, the grading scale you guys use (while pretty logical) should be EVs against current gasoline cars IMO. That way, we can pit EV tech against the best alternative we have now rather than a future release we can only dream of. It’ll produce more statistically correct EV grades.

I say good call, that stretch of I-70 is dangerous to be stuck on the shoulder, especially when not near a wide breakdown shoulder.

Good video. Hey I noticed recently that the Leaf+ SV/SL has the same tires as the Tesla Standard Range Plus...but the Leaf had the tires inflated to 36psi, and the a Tesla 44psi (Michelin Energy Saver tires are rated from 36-44). How much of the cars’ efficiency differences are from pure tire inflation vs. drag coefficient or other differences?

@steilkurbler4973

4 жыл бұрын

I'd guess it's mainly because the Tesla weighs much more.

@douglasalanthompson

4 жыл бұрын

I think it’s just an easy way for Tesla to boost their epa rating.

13:37 lol "this is easy" waiting and moving the car to different chargers for 15 minutes just to be able to start the process. If that was Tesla you guys would butcher it left and right lol

Best Tesla commercial I've seen yet.

The range on that Golf is useless. We have the MK8 version in Europe now so trust the MK8 eGolf will have a far better range. That version is really designed for going around city, not up huge mountain hills. Even though I live in a city, the UK is absolutely horrendous for charging points anywhere so will be sticking to petrol and diesel for a long while yet! Keep up the great videos guys.

I love these real world tests! That Golf would be great in south Florida! The Golf looks nice but it’s no Tesla and I feel VW could have improved it further but instead gives up. Oh well. Enjoy it while you have it!

@barryw9473

4 жыл бұрын

True, but at least for me, I put 10,000 miles a year on this car with no issues.

@dzonikg

4 жыл бұрын

its really not electric car..its replace by vw id 3 which is real electric car

@barryw9473

4 жыл бұрын

@@dzonikg It's a damn good EV in my book (and cheaper than some of the Golf variants, after VW's big markdown and tax credit), and it does everything I need it to do. ID.3 is not doubt better, but not yet available. e-Golf is available and a great car for many people, just like a Miata is a great car for many people (people who want an SUV would claim Miata is not a decent car).

@N464AT

4 жыл бұрын

I live in Central Florida and currently have a 2017 Tiguan with a 2.0 TSI and if I can find an eGolf for under 10K I am seriously considering buying one as a second car. I love the Golf platform but would have to sell my 1987 Vanagon to make room for it!

This is awesome, I’ve been looking at EVs and my biggest concern is making to Arapahoe Basin and back from Littleton. Perfect test for that

@rgtidemann

4 жыл бұрын

Chops 00 Use www.abetterrouteplanner.com and it will very accurately calculate what each specific vehicle can do on a specific route.

29:08 Linus tech tips needs to build you a server look at all the external drives on the self in the background

It would have been a nice 3.5 hour trip in a Golf. The known mismatch of the eGolf capacity to the test range and Hill climb may this test a range anxiety event. Still, the test provided insights. Thanks.

The mileage estimates are always wrong. I wouldn't base any information off of it. The other thing to take into consideration is that temperature has a major factor on EVs that have cooling and heating systems for optimizing the battery. When if is colder than 60 or warmer than 85 the range drops exponentially. That is also why when the car sits doing nothing in the cold the range will drop. The car is constantly conditioning the battery and with doing that, it is using electricity.

i feel like the chase vehicle should have been the rebel with a trailer

@rkalla

4 жыл бұрын

LOL

@richfarfugnuven6308

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@nielsdebakker3283

4 жыл бұрын

A golf 4motion diesel.

I thought charging electric cars was supposed to be cheap! It cost over $4 for 30 miles of range? In my hybrid ioniq 30 miles costs me about $2.

I think you should give the Kia e-Niro the same test. Everyone who has distance tested the range on it has stated the range is actually more.

E golf has equivalent 4 gallons of gas. It costed you over 4 dollars to charge 22%. The typical golf gets 29 to 37 mpg. 4 gallons of gas 12 to 15 dollars. Full E golf charge 12 to 15 dollars. E golf starts at 31000 regular golf starts 21000. No cost savings at all. All you do is loose tons of flexibility of a gas powered car.

It pogos around because there is regenerative brakes-- so constant stop signs in the shopping center etc, will add more range. Also there are recuperation modes in the egolf that help it regenerate too. The range is not a linear number...

To be fair for future test if you recharge you should take the actual driven range before charge and subtract it from the remaining range when you get back so 18-31.8= -13.8 so the e-golf's actual score is -0.8 Which creates an even playing field for the future.

Ahh guys, what about using the battery "regen" feature on the way back down the mountain? It's like getting free electricity to augment your normal range. I watched a video on KZread of a guy in California driving a Chevy Bolt down a mountain road using the regen function. He was able to add 10 miles of additional range. I know both of these EVs have that feature. Ok, my work is done here.

I dont know about that egolf, but I sure want to move to Colorado, tourism Colorado should sponsor you guys.

@wavoconqueso

4 жыл бұрын

No no no! Colorado is now suffering from influx and growth issues ( housing, infrastructure (TRAFFIC), water, loss of habitat, history, paving over paradises True. ) No sponsorship! Colorado is a terrible place to live. Ok false but it used to be a lot better. Ask me how I know. 71 years a resident. 0 population growth for the planet. But if you're a good guy willing to preserve and protect we can probably make room for you.

@zachariahatkinson9379

4 жыл бұрын

@@wavoconqueso I think everywhere is getting worse in regards to population growth and destruction. And luckily its predominately nature that appeals to me about Colorado so protecting it makes sense to me. I appreciate your enthusiasm for protecting the environment!

@JAMESWUERTELE

4 жыл бұрын

It’s really cold here with blizzards and massive car accidents! Horrible traffic in the Denver area! License plates are expensive! Wind blows a lot! Oh and housing is super expensive!

I've tried two separate tries at using Electrify America stations. Both failed. One was a faulty CHAdeMO charging unit. The second was a new site at WalMart and the cable was 3-4 feet too short to reach the designated parking space. II reported both failures to EA.

People that want to drive long distances do not buy an e-Golf. It’s a town/city commuting car. It sells by the boatload in Europe where it fits what people use it for.

Is the Tesla always that loud inside?

@Cloxxki

4 жыл бұрын

For EVs, they are kind of loud, Especially the Model 3. Model X is supposed to be OK. But Audi and Mercedes blow it away on that front.

You guys are impeccably fair.

Can any car fill in 5 min if the tank is big enough to go 500 miles.

@joesterling4299

4 жыл бұрын

Gas tank? Sure. Why not (assuming a normal passenger car that gets acceptable mileage)? That reminds me . . . I did a little test recently, after learning that EV charging speeds seldom get better than about 250 mph. That mph metric for stockpiling energy is something new, something meant for EVs, but I wanted to compare apples to apples here. So I estimated my refueling speed the same way. My car took somewhat over 12 gallons at the station in under 2 minutes. To be as conservative as possible, I'll round the quantity down to 12 gallons, and the time up to 2 minutes. Also to be as nice as possible to EVs, I'll use a worst-case scenario of 25 miles per gallon for my vehicle's fuel economy. That keeps the math simple too: 12 gal / 2 min * 60 min per hour * 25 mpg = 9000 mph fueling speed 9,000 mph worst-case refuel vs 250 mph best-case recharge. Hmm . . .

Watch, before long Amazon will be selling roof pods with an extra battery for extra range.

I notice that FL ran the KIA Niro in normal mode over same route and did well. They did not make any change to different E modes. So the Volkswagen is limited.

Roman, the Tesla graph y-axis is in Watt-Hours per Mile, not "watts per minute".

But if you backed the Golf into a wall, it would be fixed in a week, not like 3 months for the Tesla Bumper. Also the E Golf is 50% of the price of the drivable AWD Tesla in Canada. Waiting for the E Mini for myself :-) I like a car to have some character not a washing machine on wheels.

Just a heads up, it's Watt hours per *MILE* not per minute.

When a car goes uphill it gains potential energy (mgh or mass x gravity x height) entirely independently of normal forward movement. This HAS to come from the battery in the case of a BEV. Doing some quick mental arithmetic, for a 2 metric ton car this equates to 6 Megajoules for roughly every 300m or approx 1000 feet increase in elevation. Converting to kWh gives about 1.7 kWh or maybe 7 miles typical range. So an increase in elevation of 3000 feet will require 5 kWh from the battery or a reduction in range of say 21 miles assuming 100% energy conversion ability (10 kWh if the efficiency is 50%). It would be interesting to compare with your results to deduce the effective efficiency. Of course, going downhill should recover the energy less any conversion losses. It would be interesting to check the sums.

EVs like the e-Golf, the first generation and some second generation Leafs, BMW i3, Kia Soul EV etc were not really meant to fill this need. They are city cars designed for going to and from work, a second car, etc. Still, it's nice to see how far they can be pushed. Owning an EV requires a different mentality than driving an ICE car, mainly in the area of pre-planning your trip, but it's not nearly as bad as it sounds, especially with some smart planning software like Tesla's built-in navigation or "A Better Route Planner" app, etc.

Guys, this really is showing the incredible value of the Tesla Super Charging network. Eventually, Electrify America will get their stuff together but for now. It really looks like Tesla should be the only electric car people should consider buying.

FOCKIN YEEEEEH!!!! MORE ELECTRIC CAR TOUGHEST TEST REAL WORLD REVIEWS!!!!!!!!!

In China they are working on express lanes for electric cars that can charge wirelessly while you are cruising on expressways. You will be charged remotely like the toll booth toll tag.

I've made this observation elsewhere, but you have a broad base. You've made the observation that distance IS the number one factor about EV, and I believe standardizing charging will be an important future factor for having a working charging infrastructure. As unfair as it might be for companies like Tesla or Nissan that have invested in that charging infrastructure, maybe licensing is a potential answer. But certainly, without the ubiquitousness of the gas station to ensure you can get there AND back, well.... face it, it has to be there eventually.

How did the model x do? Thats a star not an asterisk.

Why don't you just let them run out of power if they do, and just tow with Tesla so you don't actually get stuck? This way you know exactly how far you can go and not worry too much with the charge level and get the full trip down to zero if it happens.

Hi Guy's I'm not questioning you expertise with electric cars, but the GOM is a guess o meter. It will fluctuate during any kind of thermal change especially as the E-Golf's battery is not thermally managed. Sorry but you have to really science the Sh%t out of battery thermal dynamic charge potential algorithms to understand. A simple rule of thumb if this helps, track the trends over 5 mile intervals and not the immediate changes of 1 to 3. The uneven heating from driving, chargeing, even regen-braking, can give you momentary small changes of 1 or 3 that don't seem to make sense. You have to be a bit Zen about it.

let's do a challenge, 5 minutes later daddy says no its too risky.

About categories in your scoring methodology: 1. I think 0-80% SoC recharge time metric is kinda useless. A more practical metric would be "miles gained after charging 15 minutes at public fast charging station". 2. Another practical metric would be "cost per mile" when charging at public stations.