The worst part about Vrook was that he ignored the answer in front of him, that is what makes him a great character for this story. He represents the inability to comprehend the nature of the echoes because he is too proud, too dogmatic to see beyond. It is the very same reason why he died so easily when Kreia had her power fully restored.

@munfurai8083

4 жыл бұрын

What was the answer that was right in front of him? Break it down if you can? I still dont get echoes either.

@Pharyn

4 жыл бұрын

MunFurai My understanding of the echoes is they are a result of mass death and tragedy being transmitted through the Force. This causes pain, suffering and even death to other people who can perceive through the Force. Vrook’s failing is focusing on the dark side’s influence in the Mandalorian Wars and the fall out from all the death and destruction. Vrook thinks the blame for the echoes / screams is only the dark side, when it has more to do with the Force’s imposition of its will in people’s lives and how self-destructive both the Jedi and Sith are in their blind pursuit of power - regardless of their intentions. If there were no Force, the loss of life would have been significantly less or non-existent during the Mandalorian Wars since Malachor V would not have attracted so many Jedi and Sith.

@egeorgiades93

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately his Legacy lives on in Mace Windu. Both represent a Jedi with Power yet are Arrogant in Belief, leading to their downfall.

@WillieManga

3 жыл бұрын

The best part is that he's voiced by Ed Asner.

@nickthepick8043

2 жыл бұрын

I'd hardly think he was a true Jedi in this game. It's best to not let his poor example tarnish the rest of the Order.

Ed Asner is one with the Force. Rest in peace, Mr. Asner

One thing I found curious that Vrook wasn't able to sense Exile reconnected with the force while Kavar and Zez Ka El sensed it right a way. Maybe a testament to just how arrogant and limited Vrook was.

RIP Ed Asner.

I always had a personal grudge against Vrook. It felt like no matter what you did, he always viewed you as "This guy's/girl's following the Dark Side". It was like a meme of his...

@PapitoQinn

7 жыл бұрын

Not really the dark side, but more like "you're wrong". He thinks the Jedi are always right and if you don't fall in line with their thoughts exactly, then you're wrong and undisciplined. Almost like "discipline" to him means "indoctrination". Blind obedience. Atris on the other hand, was the one who thought that if you're not following the ways of the Jedi to the letter then you've fallen to the dark side. She has a black and white view of the world.

@khaos5085

6 жыл бұрын

Papito Qinn Meetra followed Revan in the war is why he doesn't trust her. But you know the council was right to say no about going to war. That war is exactly why America doesn't win wars anymore. No one had a plan they just kept bringing more soldiers into battle.

@dakotavanleer3859

6 жыл бұрын

So they should have just let the Mandolarians destroy and conquer the galaxy the Jedi swore to protect the galaxy and it's people letting those millions of people die is not the Jedi way. Going to War had to be done someone had to stop the mandolarians and it just happened to be jedi like Revan and Meetra.

@khaos5085

6 жыл бұрын

Dakota Vanleer The cost of that war proved the council right that rushing into war is what caused most of those deaths. If the Jedi had patience and waited the war could have been faught without casualties.

@dakotavanleer3859

6 жыл бұрын

Chaos Afterlife If they waited any longer more people would have died and the Mandalorians would be even tougher to stop. The Republic did poorly until the Jedi entered the war if it wasn't for them the Mandalorians would have destory the Republic and enslaved the galaxy. Plus their still would have been casualties people die in war it's what happens it's a given that their will always be casualties.

4:43 Vrook: We did nothing to you. Exile: That's the point.

Ed Asners'a passing brought me here. Such a legendary voice actor. May he RIP.

Anyone here after Ed Asner's passing

@turmoil8969

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't get enough recogition for this role!

Vrook is a perfect example of how jedi were blinded of their arrogance

@lordofcreativity9637

4 жыл бұрын

He reminds me of Mace Windu.

@brotftheyhaveusernamesnow

3 жыл бұрын

ofcourse Dorak, Zhar, and Vandar had to die on Katarr months before, but THIS dickhead survived 😔

@nutshacklover5819

3 жыл бұрын

Basically the brother of Atris.

@Fenris77

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. I think this is so that the player is gonna bbe very tempted to jam his lightsaber into the old fool's head...

Ed Asner was amazing as the voice of Master Vrook in KOTOR games :) . Everytime i hear his voice in other movies , Animated tv shows or video games i hear Master Vrook , Roland Daggett from Batman TAS or J Jonah Jameson in Spider-Man TAS 🙂

I love the atmosphere of this discussion. It really helps you to understand what a terrible menace Lord Nihilus really is.

@PapitoQinn

6 жыл бұрын

I personally feel like the one with Zez-Kai Ell brings out that feeling more.

@clearshade3560

3 жыл бұрын

Not just that. But it was the fact that he was rapidly getting more powerful to the point where Kriea worried that he would rival the ancient sith and would’ve destroyed the entire galaxy to feed himself like a force of nature

You're one with the Force, Ed Asner ❤

Why I think Vrook is interesting is because he is essentially the physical embodiment of all the flaws in the Jedi. Initially both Zez-kai-el and Kavar recognise the failings of the Order but Vrook downright refuses to accept the Jedi made any sort of wrongdoing. Similar to people like Mace Windu. Goddamn I love the Kotor games

@clearshade3560

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, second worst Jedi hypocrite other than Atris but probably worst than mace windu since he is more outspoken about his personal beliefs/agendas and gives the idea of being better and higher than others

RIP Ed Asner. Welcome to the Force :(

It's like they put him in this game to test the patience of Lightside players to the absolute limit. Vrook is the main reason I looked forward to a Darkside playthrough.

"I may have misjudged you.." It's a small moment, but at least the man had a SHRED of humility.

@JabamiLain

9 күн бұрын

Yet he could not hold such wisdom when I amped his cage's shield. Could he not at least figure I had a strategy planned ? I would quickly resolve the situation on Dantooine, join him on Nar Shaddaa, and take him to the Exchange, so the two of us could put an end to the bounty ! The fact I saved Khoonda is proof I had a larger plan ! He goes for a similar plan in the rare mercenary route ! So much for the greater good.

If you use Force Sight on Vrook, you will see that he's just barely attuned to the Light Side, just one millimeter above neutral. Kavar on the other hand is so deeply immersed in the Light Side, that he's practically a shining beacon. The irony is that Vrook follows the Jedi Code religiously, while Kavar just focuses on being a good man and doing what's right. Shows how much the Jedi Code corrupts the Light Side of the Force.

@PapitoQinn

Жыл бұрын

Yes I know. I took a screenshot of that and posted it in the community tab of the channel. Also of Atris at the trial. She was already slipping by then.

@dannybodros5180

Жыл бұрын

@@PapitoQinn Despite everything, I can't help but feel sorry for Atris. She's the embodiment of doubt, regret and the consequences of blind obedience. She was tempted to go to war to save others, just like Revan, Surik, Alec and the Jedi that followed them , but instead she obeyed the council and did nothing. I think deep down inside she knew that she had made the wrong choice. Imagine how she felt when Revan emerged victorious and proved the Jedi wrong. The shame, regret and the "if I could turn back the time" feeling. No wonder she hates Surik. She represents everything she could have been.

@PapitoQinn

Жыл бұрын

@@dannybodros5180 And what does Kreia teach the Exile? "Make your choices without regret."

This video reminds me how much I dislike Vrook yet, for some reason, I respect him. There's something to a guy that will tell you they don't like you to your face...

@WillieManga

3 жыл бұрын

Hm... Maybe it's the fact that Ed Asner plays as him? Alright, jokes aside, I do respect that he at least acknowledged how far we have come.

@aylix2137

2 жыл бұрын

Master Vrook represents the arrogance and dogmatism of the Jedi, but both come as the result of being a truly fabled, wise, and powerful order. Vrook is stifling but honored tradition characterized, it’s why we despise but respect him.

RIP Ed Asner

Another old guy with all the answers yet when needed the most sat around did NOTHING but complain about the people that DID something. I guess the Jedi would have started to fight when the Mandalorians knocked on the front door of the temple on Coruscant.

Came here in remembrance of Ed Asner. Jedi Master Vrook Lamar was a stern, dogmatic, blind, arrogant man who spent his entire tenure as a Jedi corrupting the Order with teachings that would ultimately go on to destroy them. As far as I'm concerned, he is one of my least favorite Jedi in the Old Republic era. And that is why I not only respect the complexity of the character, but Ed Asner as well for bringing this character to life. Asner's skill, talent, and genius as an actor is what allows us as KOTOR fans to feel so strongly about Vrook; without his outstanding performance, Lamar wouldn't have stood out from your average dogmatic Jedi, like the ones we've seen in the PT era. And so, even though I feel intense disdain for Vrook, I will always remember and appreciate Ed Asner's portrayal of the character; from the deep, gravelly voice to the stern, dogmatic rigidness of the character. May he rest in eternal peace 🙏💯.

@austinkersey2445

3 ай бұрын

My only gripe here is that the PT era Jedi do have distinct personalities and characterizations. The problem with them is that all of their character comes almost purely from novels and comics. Not even TCW (2008) does them any serious justice unfortunately. One of my favorite examples of this is Mace Windu. Sure he's your zealotous Jedi figure . . . but he's also kind and compassionate towards his fellow Jedi, is highly intelligent and perceptive, and believed in the sanctity of life. He is cold, grim, and serious to a fault, but he is harsh because he cares. He believes in the good within people and wants them to be better than they are. People cite his dislike towards Anakin as a huge negative, but I mean if you had a guy in his twenties who just got knighted less than a year ago screaming about being "on the Council without the rank of Master" I think you'd be pretty peeved too. That dislike also sprang from Anakin being a braggart and more than a bit of a wild child. There's also the fact that his Padawan, Depa Billaba, was basically his surrogate daughter and he was able to love her without being attached to her. Hell, his greatest motivation (beyond his Light Side or Jedi beliefs) was the belief that peace was created by civilization and that the Republic was the ultimate civilization (which he was willing to do anything to preserve). You just don't get that outside the books and comics. That said, Vrook is one of my favorite KOTOR characters because of Ed's performance. He killed it. R.I.P. big man.

Fun fact I just found out: Vrook is voiced by famous actor Ed Asner. Ed played Santa Claus in Elf (2003)!

Ah Vrook and his cherry disposition.

When I first played this game, I chose to pretend to join the mercenaries near where Vrook is held hostage so I wouldn't have to fight them in the fields outside the cave and then headed back to the settlers and helped them fight the mercs. The problem is that ending the Dantooine arc this way means that Vrook will still attack you as though you had fought with the mercenaries. Didn't really appreciate how well that turn of events characterizes him until much later.

@TubeEamo

4 жыл бұрын

You let him out he whines about it, you let him stay (as part of his alleged plan) and help the settlers? Acts like you left him to die and attacks. His bias against the Exile has always blinded him. He is truly an asshole.

@rocketbeastwolf

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly he’s has no respect

@Alphamask978

Жыл бұрын

Even if you save him and he tried to take your power later that’s still quite lame

You gotta wonder what can make one man so arrogant is it the power he hold's or is it just the way of the jedi god if all jedi were like Revan and the Exile do you think the Jedi wouldn't have as many problem's as they do?

@PapitoQinn

6 жыл бұрын

Not all like Revan and the Exile, but 'more' like Revan and the Exile. The Jedi just became much too ingrained into the daily lives of people and politics. They essentially became an arm of the republic. So it eventually made sense for sidious to take political control and essentially control them. I understand their idea of helping however they can because of their power, but they just didn't think things through.

@dakotavanleer3859

6 жыл бұрын

Papito Qinn Ok yeah be more like them that makes sense cause the last thing the Jedi need is more people like Vrook.

@williebeaty

6 жыл бұрын

Look at Zez Kai Ell and Kavar. They’re not as bad as Vrook is.

@andyb2977

4 жыл бұрын

Vrook's arrogance is understandable. He opposed the Jedi entering the Mandalorian War and he got to see first hand hoe the aftermath of that war destroyed the Jedi Order that he had dedicated his life to.

I was able to save khoonda and still fight vrook on my dark side playthrough. saved frequently due to it causing a few crashes but eventually worked out

@PapitoQinn

4 ай бұрын

Yes, you can do that. You can side with the mercs and not fight vrook as well. I made a video covering all possible endings.

I always found it interesting that using Force Sight on him would reveal that he isn't _nearly_ so "Light-Sided" as a Master sitting on the Jedi Council ideally *_should_* be. Boy, am I glad that KotOR 2 was recently re-released on the Switch. :D

@PapitoQinn

2 жыл бұрын

Heh, I'm glad too!

This jedi makes me think that sidious was right all along and isn't that a sad assessment!

Its such an interesting kind of character, they are despicable not just because they are wrong and refuse any argument about it, but because you know he have the ability to know otherwise, he is no fool, he know how to read between the lines, to understand the repercussion of actions and see bigger pictures than hemself (when the MC of kotor one was trained he was kind of right to believe that was a REALLY risky move) the problem is, as i see it, that he always thought that, as long as the code is followed, he will eventally be proven right about his method, his prejudices, his zealous nature towards those that dindt fit the council (his) standards and, he refuse to admit any doubt, for him the only other answer was what led to the dark side, so it was easy for him to ignore the painting in wall since jedi code was the only right answer in his mind, even(specially) when it doesnt answer the question. WHich is why i feel that he resentment towards the exile is far more evident *just i case HUGE SPOILERS AHEAD FOR KOTOR 1* With Revan in kotor 1, he was looking to a blank slate, he still feel it was a mistake to train them again, but his "tolerance" on training them come as a form to say "ok now we get to fix their mistake, i dont like it, but maybe i can make them see how wrong theywere" but with the exile is nothing like that, they dont have any memory issue, they remember well what went down, and if player choose to do so, you can stand firm on their decision of going to the war was the right call, which would only makes him the more hostile toward them (make no mistake, if you show regret he will chew you on about all the jedi virtues you somehow lack no matter how incorrect this is, and if you show aggression then he just goes back on feeling vindicated on being right about you) and the major problem is that when confronted with an opossing truths, he fall back on the code, i doesnt matter if it doesnt fit as an asnwer, what matter is that he feels like he will eventually be proven right, at the end that whats truly important to people like him when reality is proving you otherwise. And here, he is just trying to forcefully ( no pun intended) fit the narrative that this whole mess i because of Revan and their followers, he dont care what happened anymore, he doesnt care about what truth, whats fair, what correct, he just need to feel vindicated.

Rip Asner

Currently playing through Dantooine. When I found Vrook with the mercs, I modified his cage and left him to be shipped to Nar Shadda. Now, I'm going to help save Khoonda without his help just to spite the jerk. I'm probably going to kill him, too. I can't bring myself to kill Zez Kai-El or Kavar because at least they're nice to me

@rocketbeastwolf

3 жыл бұрын

How did you modify his cage I just want to leave him in his cage after i kill the Mercs to save khoonda without his “help” just to spite him.

@jedimeyer1298

3 жыл бұрын

@@rocketbeastwolf Well, the game railroads you into doing something about the cage. Killing the mercs guarding him automatically frees him. If you just walk away, the plot won't progress. If, however, you show the mercs how to improve his cage, Kreia will compliment you and you'll get Dark Side points for sticking it to Vrook. After you leave the cave, the merc leader will approach you with an offer to help them. From there, you can attack or say you'll help, Whether that's a lie or not is up to you. Once Khoonda is saved, Vrook will show up and attack you because he's an old virgin who smells like wet hog dogs.

When I finished Kotor 1 and looked online at Kotor 2, I couldn't help but be annoyed lol.

The Force and the Jedi are a plot device. The good guys with phenomenal power. Brought down by corruption and their being too good. They have always struggled with how to handle power, when power is per se corrupting. Vrook and his gang of sanctimonious AHs are the Jedi at their worst. Always ready to put band aids on gapping gut wounds, but not to do the real work. Exile's storyline is the best example of Jedi way of thinking. They do nothing and then blame the victims.

Indeed Vrook was just the most arrogant of the lot. Atris was basically dark sided or very close to it (COnsidering her own delusions). But Vrook refused to sense anything of the Exile's connection with the Force. Or maybe he was just senile?

Vrook is so odd in this game, like at one part he seems to be warming up to the player and then does a complete 180. He represents what is wrong with the Jedi prior to Order 66, even in new canon it still fits, the old order was so ignorant of its own faults

When i was playing kotor 1 i wanted revan ignites lightsaber stab vrook

@xx_b4rr3l_xx

5 жыл бұрын

ItsRyanYT honestly if he did I think Zhar, Dorak and Vandar would have too

@kenkaneki9176

3 ай бұрын

Ya ain't the only one who wanted to run him through. His arrogance was irritating, no matter whatever good you do, he always criticizes you.

Yet they had no power over Revan and it was not by his hand that they were destroyed but by one they saw as beneath them Traya took out the whole council because their power was an illusion

A singularly difficult individual.

Man i hated this guy so much. He's just like mace windu but much worse. Vrook thinks anything leads to the dark side and is extremely proud of himself to see things clearly

Jesus Vrook really personifys that boomer energy really well. Like I bet you couldn't get Vrook to wear a face mask at a grocery store.

@ki-adi-mundi6421

3 жыл бұрын

How did this become into masks?

@ashmoleproductions5407

3 жыл бұрын

@@ki-adi-mundi6421 I find that people that do this in general are projecting their own insecurities on others, and virtue-signal for likes and attention. It is best to ignore them and they eat themselves.

@ki-adi-mundi6421

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashmoleproductions5407 your right honestly

@chillipowder0169

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashmoleproductions5407 it's just a joke, good lord

@Uchiha-fi4ij

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashmoleproductions5407 cry more

love Master Vrook Lamar

@ABFan-bj2uj

3 жыл бұрын

Why?! He Is a gigantic runt who can’t move his limbs. And when he does, he gives into anger and hate.

Its weird now knowing this is Ed Asner

how the hell did they get Ed Asner as him?

@PapitoQinn

Жыл бұрын

I guess they asked him.

Next time I play the KOTOR games I’m calling myself Russell

@vegjeezy17

5 жыл бұрын

LTG Super Fish y

@xx_b4rr3l_xx

5 жыл бұрын

vegjeezy17 because Vrook is the voiced by the guy that was Carl in Up

@vegjeezy17

5 жыл бұрын

LTG Super Fish ah a man of culture I see

@sebastiaanvanveen3719

3 жыл бұрын

I would call myself Jonas Tillias (Spanish Male Exile)🇪🇸😎😉

@sebastiaanvanveen3719

3 жыл бұрын

And the female Alice Yaan

you gotta appreciate vrook for beinmg so arrogant, i know Kreia enjoyed destroying him the most

Is it just me, or is Vrook a lot like Snape? Think about it, they both constantly berate the main character (of both games) for little to no reason, and plus they both just have an evil vibe to them (there are other things too)

@michalk.9174

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but at least Snape has a tragic backstory and he while being a dick towards Harry, he did save his life a couple times and he constantly put himself in danger while spying on Voldemort. Vrook on the other hand is just an ignorant fool who can't see the truth when it's right in front of him and hides behinds the jedi's teachings, even though he himself doesn't truly follow them.

@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon

Жыл бұрын

At least Snape redimed himself before death...

Papito Quinn if you don't mind answering since I guess the other guy is gone (2 years lol). What was the answer that was right in front of him? Break it down if you can? I still dont get echoes either.

@PapitoQinn

4 жыл бұрын

The answer was the exile. Walking, talking, living proof that the force is overhyped. You don't need it directing your life to survive or thrive. Valuable lessons that you learn only when you let go of it. Echoes are just the idea of actions affecting countless other actions. Decisions may seem like they happen in a static environment but really they go on to affect other people's lives and their decisions which go on to do the same.

@munfurai8083

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapitoQinn I see. Thanks.

@PapitoQinn

4 жыл бұрын

@@munfurai8083 You're welcome.

@munfurai8083

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapitoQinn I guess my other question would be what is the force? I don't know if you have a video on that explaining what it is exactly.

@PapitoQinn

4 жыл бұрын

@@munfurai8083 N one's really sure. It's a lot of things. Maybe the question should be: What does it want? And why does it want it?

The irony with Vrook is that, of the three Masters left, he was easily the best of them - but his arrogance and distrust make him so easy to dislike, and ultimately this proved to be his downfall.

@jakelee5096

Жыл бұрын

The best in terms of his dogmatic, ridged application of the Jedi beliefs perhaps. The best in practice during this time? I'd have to say Kavar, even with his political involvements. The best fighter? Also Kavar.

@1080lights

Жыл бұрын

@@jakelee5096 The Kavar fight is a joke compared to fighting Vrook

the fight whit vrook is impossible

@Dwurogowy

4 жыл бұрын

Tohsaka-Chan no, you are just a peepeepoopoo head who has trouble with resource management

@Leo_Has_EJR_Rizz

3 жыл бұрын

Just lay a bunch of mines.

@gronndar

3 жыл бұрын

@@Leo_Has_EJR_Rizz Have you tried that tactic on that mandalorian battle circle? You win a bunch of honor by planting arena full of mines and start fight. Battle begins, mines explodes, instant respect

I wish you could kill Vrook but not get Dark Side points

@PapitoQinn

Жыл бұрын

Well you can help Khoonda and still kill Vrook. I think you still get dark side points for killing him, but it should balance out with all the light side points you get from helping Khoonda. I made a guide on how to do it here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aH6Jpbeqia6blpc.html

Vrook was the single worst Jedi of his generation. He'd be a strong contestant for worst Jedi ever, were it not for the Prequels.

@Uchiha-fi4ij

2 жыл бұрын

He's way worse than Mace Windu or Mundi

I love vrook. Hes Like a tough but fair dad. So wise. But dosent take ur bullshit

@EmptyMan000

Жыл бұрын

He's neither fair no is he wise. He's an old stick in the mud ready to get snapped.

@miguelcondadoolivar5149

2 ай бұрын

Fair? Wise!? Are talking about the same man?

Who in hell said that Jedi Exile is a woman. Idiot of a person that one is. That ruins dramatic of a story. Instead, Revan is a woman.

@PapitoQinn

6 жыл бұрын

It might have been the respective writers from KOTOR 1 (Drew Karpyshyn) and KOTOR 2 (Chris Avellone) or it was established from preceding materials like books and comics. Canonically Revan was male and the Exile was female. But as far as the games are concerned, it doesn't really matter.

@thearm9419

6 жыл бұрын

Canonically, hey? ) Who's to establish the canon? The old republic is not included in official canon at all, they say. That's not a canon. That is stupid fanfics of people intended making money only. May I also write some of a book where suddenly Revan changes gender? Would it be considered canonic? They all are parasitic on this story which must've been ended by the moment of Darth Tray death. They should have developed current characters instead of concocting ancient sith Empires and its Emperors. As Darth Tray said, Sith Empires are in your heads. Or something of a kind. KOTOR is about corruption of Jedi Order, of ignorance, prejudice, Jedi pride lead to terrible consequences. This story truly can be much more deeper without them ancient Sith Empires bullshit.

@PapitoQinn

6 жыл бұрын

Darth Traya actually does tell the exile that the true sith empire was out in the unknown reasons. Multiple times, the game mentions that Revan went off to fight it. They were building to it, probably for KOTOR 3 that never happened. The sith wouldn't exist without the Jedi. The existence of the sith alone, is a point of criticism towards the Jedi. That's why they're relevant. As for what's considered canon, people look towards official releases for that kind of information. Lucasarts published comics and books that established that Revan was male and the Exile was female. But now, with Disney starting a new continuation, all of this is considered non-canon, at least within the Disney-verse.

@thearm9419

6 жыл бұрын

I don't know, man. I always saw this story too much in my own way. After all I'm a bird. Not even a human if you must know. I always loved the KOTOR II and the Exile more than Kotor I and Revan. I only remember that when Traya said that the Exile was the greatest she had ever trained then right away it became clear to me that had not she killed Revan but maybe did something to her with the Force again. Traya and Vrook Lamar are terrible persons. Evil ones, dark ones. Jedi Exile gave up the force and became stronger, invulnerable to them Force trickstings. Ok, never mind. The thing is, this story touched me too much years ago. I see it to much in my own way. See its beauty. Its very wound in the Force. This story is much more and more than all the episodes of them Star Wars.

@rougeandrei9095

4 жыл бұрын

@@thearm9419 Legendary...