This is a hidden detail, but if you notice kageyama's serve routine at 29:30 it has started to resemble like oikawa's serve routine when in season 1 and 2 he spins the ball before starting his serve. Kageyama is incorporating more and more elements from Oikawa after going up against him.

@Atsiou

2 жыл бұрын

i know right! i was telling my brother the exact same thing the other day!! Im seeing that too!! in general Kageyamas whole progression is his style while incrporating Oikawa elements for sure

@courtneyk9755

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always read the puffy cheek as a sort of focus face but I think in this instance it’s to show kageyama mimicking oikawa

@keitiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

2 жыл бұрын

Upping for this one!

@eliyana_maregold

2 жыл бұрын

he's actually been doing this since the beginning of the anime I think, it's clear he looks up to oikawa a lot as his senior, and he learned how to jump serve from watching oikawa (since he refused to teach him) so he kinda follows a bit of his mannerisms ^^;

@seanpule266

2 жыл бұрын

He's already better than Oikawa at this point. He knocked off four service aces on a better defensive team than Karasuno, sets better and learned how to elevate everyone. - Forced Tsuki to hit higher. - Forced Tanaka to angle harder. - Set Asahi perfectly to let him unleash his hardest hit. Higher quality sets, better serve, better leader. Kageyama became what Oikawa dreaded.

Yay! My favorite Inari player is coming in the next episode. He doesn’t get much screen time, even as a captain, but every time he’s on screen he makes an impact.

@timpy1124

2 жыл бұрын

Same! I absolutely love his speech about talent.

@m1yanz

2 жыл бұрын

I love him so much 😭❤️

@keitiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

2 жыл бұрын

Same thoughts! Love him so much as a player and as a person.

@DripTac

2 жыл бұрын

@@timpy1124 I love his dedication to the sport, def a really cool giy

@rikohendrik2438

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah me too

Kageyama talking about "prickly air" is likely him being at least partly in the zone and really into the game, especially given how well he's serving. Thinking back, I remember how Ukai described Kageyama being in good shape as "calm before the storm" in 2x10, which I think also parallels well with "prickly air". His serves sure struck down like lightnings here!

@samuelsoliday4381

2 жыл бұрын

Like number 70. Balance restored!!!

@Futuro_

2 жыл бұрын

I like the way you describe things! Keep dropping comments!

@drannelchannel8065

2 жыл бұрын

Prickly air sends chills down my spine

@crazyscarecrow8136

2 жыл бұрын

Another possible factor, the Japanese equivalent to “reading the room” is more accurately translating as “reading the air”. Kageyama’s “prickly air” could be a way to say that the mood on the court is tense and exciting.

@gachagenie

2 жыл бұрын

It's actually just one of those phrases that's hard to translate. Kageyama says "空気がひりひりしている" which depending on how you translate it means "this atmosphere is tingly", "the air is tingly", "I can feel the tension in the air". These are all valid but from the context of the scene and the way kageyama says it, it just basically means he feels the tension but he's also excited. kind of like having goosebumps.

Another great idea might be checking the manga panels of your favorite moments and reacting to the manga art. The manga for Haikyuu is stellar and very entertaining, and it would make for good content comparing between the anime/manga portrayals for different key moments and plays.

@PWIRairai

2 жыл бұрын

I second this. The manga is available in full English. I would love a coach favorite manga moments.

@zorenflorence

2 жыл бұрын

Yees to this!!!

@joell21

2 жыл бұрын

This is a great idea

@horsebox5138

2 жыл бұрын

That's actually such a good idea omg

@NobodyNobodytrustNobody

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent idea!!! Uppppp this

29:42 We need to give props to Kageyama's voice actor for that grunting sound. It sounded genuine and powerful. Such a simple thing that is often overlooked, but it's so important for conveying intensity, emotion, and many other things.

@KoroftheSon

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! That's probably why watching him get this service ace in particular never gets old for me. It's the same as what Oikawa's VA does when he does his crazy serve in season 2 episode 20.

Coach: Can't remember if the Karasuno game is over yet Also Coach: Instantly recognized Kageyama's serving routine

Season 3: Tendou: Hey, ordinary guy. Tsukishima: Why, thank you. Season 4: Suna: You’re a great blocker. Tsukishima: Gross. I love the contrast 😂

Hey Coach, just a note regarding subtitles, when they separate them to top and bottom of the screen its to indicate that theres 2 different sets of speech happening. In the scene you mentioned it the bottom of the screen was the commentators and the top was the coaches talking to their teams.

@NobodyNobodytrustNobody

2 жыл бұрын

Uppp

@kimweinberg6372

2 жыл бұрын

Yaaaaa

Omg YES, you're about to meet one of my favorite non-Karasuno character in the entire series!! Also definitely yes to re-reacting!!! It's the second watch of the show that really made me understand how brilliant the writing is. And no you're definitely not being overly picky about the animation in this episode, I'm not usually too picky about that stuff but it definitely looks bad in certain scenes. I think the studio got hit with the roughest part of covid while they were animating this. Up side is that I think this might be the worst episode, animation-wise.

@dnkewlfe9043

2 жыл бұрын

Oh and would love to see an updated dream starting team after this season ends!

@door1855

2 жыл бұрын

Incoming best boy FRRRR

@NaniRPDL

2 жыл бұрын

I love Kita so much TT

@raregenius2968

2 жыл бұрын

Might I ask how are you able to have a comment 3days ago?

@dnkewlfe9043

2 жыл бұрын

@@raregenius2968 yep! Coach posts them at least a day early on his patreon, and you can access them there if you subscribe.

Going to say yes yes y e s to rereacting before watching the rest of this reaction - one of the very special things about Haikyuu is its absolutely insane reread/rewatch value. While the author often claims that they basically "wing it" with writing characters and deciding on the development of the plot, they're stupidly good at setting things up, foreshadowing, nurturing nuanced developments and leading them to amazing climaxes and feel-good paybacks. I've been into Haikyuu for over 7 years and I still discover new things for myself from time to time, be that in other people's reactions, while doing translations or just rereading/rewatching casually. Definitely excited to see your experience with it, as well as that special Haikyuu content! (Also hope that you will give the manga a shot eventually, even if it's just on your own time~)

@kronikevaporation6007

2 жыл бұрын

There is not an insane re watch value. The show is not that complex and is meant to be grasped at first go.

@trentward2725

2 жыл бұрын

@@kronikevaporation6007 🧢

@osha_t4

2 жыл бұрын

@@kronikevaporation6007 🧢

@kunterborn1

2 жыл бұрын

@@kronikevaporation6007 Sorry, but you're so wrong. There are so many things to discover in both watching and reading Haikyuu, but perhaps it's not of much interest to non-literary minds. Furudate-sensei's use of literary devices makes Haikyuu a treasure trove of delights for those who understand metaphor, foreshadowing, analogy, plot, and character development.

@kronikevaporation6007

2 жыл бұрын

@@kunterborn1 yes Foreshadowing is a good point. But you can absolutely catch analogies at first watch. I've re watched Haikyuu multiple times (in fact read it more than once), so it's not that I am speaking out of my ass or to put down the piece of work, but my re reading value came from the motivation Haikyuu exuded. But thats personal to me. And not a general value to be gained from a re-watch. Imo, a good rewatch is supposed to unearth important details. Like Attack on Titan first 2 seasons, or the TV show Wire or Game of Thrones when it wasn't bad. Important details necessary for the plot you miss. Haikyuu isn't that, what you might have missed are gag elements, that's about it. And Foreshadowing, which is neat, but it's the only value imo. Too little for a rewatch reaction.

18:14 The foxes reference the japanese god Inari. The god takes on the form of a fox, so inarizaki (who shares the name of the god), are represented by foxes as well.

@eduardosouza2148

2 жыл бұрын

Also, the blond and gray hair on the foxes represents Atsumu and Osamu (the twins), the same way as the chubby birds represents Hinatta (the one with the orange hair) and sometimes when the Nekoma team is playing, the cats (Kenma and Kuro) appears in the middle break.

I personally think the puffy cheek animation is to help emphasize the amount of power they are putting into the hit, another way to illustrate just exactly how hard they're hitting when they release that breath

13:43 about that scene, if I recall correctly, in the manga there was a whole situation in which Asahi just did a normal standing serve instead of his jump one since he was afraid of missing, later on, he got over it by adding this "fist-clenching" into his routine.

@krishthite2894

2 жыл бұрын

Ikr idk why they didn't add it in the anime

@taichiixsan4619

2 жыл бұрын

Its his way of gauging how much force he will use right? 70,80,90% etc

@ToSemIdeia841

2 жыл бұрын

@@taichiixsan4619 yeah

The one coming in is a definite fan-favourite and probably it's gonna be one of coach's favourites too. His story arc is so good.

I interpret the “prickly air” as it feeling electric or alive. Also, if you remember the grid lines from earlier in the season, it seems that Kageyama has a really strong mental image or intuition for his whole environment. So maybe it’s another way of indicating that he is so dialed in that he can even describe exactly how the air feels. For me, when I was in a good serving rhythm, I felt a chill on my neck, right where my hairline ends.

34:08 I think that's because it helps to understand that a hard-hit is coming, it's like when I'm going to go full force on something and i took a deep breath to use all my force, I kinda do that when I'm doing something but is not enough. Idk why it works but for some reason it works for me

@jze7_697

2 жыл бұрын

Same here I play soccer and I noticed that when I’m about kick the ball really hard I do that too

@user-wu8qc9bb3e

3 ай бұрын

Kinda late, but I read somewhere and I think it's how oxygen was distributed to the body, it's like forcing the body to exert more force to a period of time, but I heard it was dangerous if often practiced.

just a little side note, but I really appreciate Haikyuu and how they depict Aran! He doesn't look like a minestrel character, he's got exaggerated features like every other character but he still looks like a human and not a caricature. he's so beautifully drawn and you can really see the care that Furudante, the author, put into designing Aran. it's the bare minimum, especially when there are Japanese born black people, but it's appreciated nonetheless.

(My take on Coach's take on the amazing animated sequence at 10:24) 😄 The animation didn't lower in quality here and, yes the animator changed. That 1 minute and 12-second sequence was animated by one of the best animators in the industry (Takashi Mukouda). Not many productions let animators draw characters to move/look the way they want to. Nowadays, it's rare to see animators taking so much freedom and going this wild, especially in an anime like Haikyuu. He draws characters with exaggerated expressions and proportions, that's what makes his style so eye-catching and unique. If you scour through the whole season for great moving animations you'll find that more than half of the most amazing animated sequences were done by him (and the majority of those weren't liked by the coach lol). Variety is not a bad thing and every frame does not need characters to be on-model. Stretch and squash is literally one of the first things animators learn so, why can't animators apply those rules to the characters? Less detailed linework gives the animator more drawing milage to draw even more ambitious sequences. Coach stating he has some experience animating and, then him saying that this cut (14:07) is better than the previous AMAZING looking Mukouda cut is just so bizarre to me... (Not anatomically correct) =/= (bad drawings/animation) No disrespect to Coach but, it's just ridiculous to me that somebody who says that they have dabbled in animation themselves can't recognize well-animated sequences. [The Booru link (check out the comments!): www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/136758 ] Edit: Yes, the episode has some rough animations as this episode was partially outsourced (some of it had been done in-house and some of it was given to another helping studio).

@lenso2809

2 жыл бұрын

Up

@seisei184

2 жыл бұрын

this. this. this.

@teee123

2 жыл бұрын

the animation is really good on that. yeah its not on model. but the exaggerated expressions is really good. that Asahi face is all over the manga when someone about to spike. its really sell the anticipation.

@pandyssianrat

2 жыл бұрын

@@teee123 Exactly!

@gregorypagani3037

2 жыл бұрын

UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP UP

YESSS RE-REACTIONS!!! It will be so fun recognizing characters at first sight, or noticing things like Kinoshita and Narita were there the whole time! haha

Hey coach, regarding the bottom text during the timeout @32:05 in the video, that was actually the announcers talking and not the teams. The announcers were basically talking about the current state of the game.

literally the last ball compression was just 3 episodes ago with tanaka's cross lol

@erik.rodriguez

2 жыл бұрын

maybe he was talking about the compression while touching the player's hand

Definitly YES for re-watching, I cannot count how many times I went through the whole series and still get hyped and emotional for each episode. I practiced Kageyama’s horizontal ball spinning routine and now I mastered it, please try as well 🏐

I’ve noticed you have trouble figuring out who is talking in a lot of scenes. Could it be your audio is too low or coming out of some laptop speakers? I suggest using some earbuds or headset so you can easily tell. They all have very distinct voices. Just a suggestion for future episodes maybe.

i think the re-reactions should be more bundled, like 2 or 3 episodes at a time. we don't need to see the whole show again with you, it'll mostly be similar reactions... would be interesting to see, but i think its a bit off to use the series for thaaaat much content again

Man, I‘m really looking forward to his reaction to the next episode. It has one of the greatest life lessons I could‘ve ever retrieved from Haikyuu

@rikohendrik2438

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

What I love about Karasuno’s game plan is that not only are they chipping away at their opponent and doing just enough to throw them out of rhythm or to make uncharacteristic mistakes, but they are also actually playing to their strenghts. They are used to switching things up, making adjustments and working with what they’ve got because they have been going up against better teams and improving by doing so. Karasuno is able to stay calm, adjust and often capitalize when things are out of system or slightly out of rhythm. Of course, they play best when all the pieces fall into place, but of all the teams, they are the most resiliant and adaptable.

Can’t wait for you to meet #1 probably my favorite on this team. And yes he is the captain and one of the best captains in the entire show

Coach you can watch run with the wind after you finish this series, it’s anime by the same animators, has a great story and characters like haikyuu, only 24 eps…plus it’s about running track and athleticism, I think you’d enjoy it

After re-reading and rewatching Haikyuu countless times, I can convincingly say that I adore Kageyama a lot.

Next episode is probably my favorite in the series, really excited to watch your reaction to it

The cheeks of the players being puffed out (whether it's realistic or not) is just a signature part of Haikyuu's art style; it's everywhere in the manga especially. It's essentially used to show when someone is concentrating or expending effort, such as the moment when they're contacting the ball or when they're jumping up to block.

Yo, trying to do the freak quick would be awesome for a silly video, maybe with the spiker literally closing their eyes? Also, no, this match wasn't over, the story just decided to go the Nekoma match while the Karasuno game was still going. Now that the Nekoma match is over, we're back again with Karasuno.

@TrianaNero

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElevateYourselfOfficial some members of Japan's national team actually did that as an experiment (not during a match of course :"D). Since now you're on season 4, you can check out the Haikyuu documentary I have on my channel (~50 minutes) if you'd like (I translated and subbed it) - gives more insight into the story and how Haikyuu influences volleyball culture in Japan. There's some national team players, school kids and coaches involved for a variety of perspectives.

@naylisyazwina6836

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrianaNero please link the video please

@zaeya_bw

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElevateYourselfOfficial it's not a good practice, but not dangerous

@Rizvi365

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrianaNero I think I randomly found that video a while ago but lost the video before getting to finish, thanks for the reminder. I would avoid the channel though if not done with haikyuu manga bc other thumbnails are huge huge spoliers (Im anime only but unfortunately so much has been ruined with just thumbnails 😩)

@Destamoon

2 жыл бұрын

@@zaeya_bw You can literally fall into the net or onto the ball if you miss and your eyes are closed. That is dangerous

I honestly thought that Haikyuu was exaggerating a bit when they talked about Rintaro's ability to control his body to manipulate blockers. Really cool to see that it's very real and for someone so experienced to talk about it. Thanks for the breakdowns!

I love your comments on how Rintaro’s technique is real and how it works, because when I watched haikyuu I thought it was like some fake anime throw in.

So excited for Coach to meet Kita (Inarizaki's captain) next episode. Personally, I think he has one of the best philosophies regarding volleyball and just life in general in the show and his part in the series has always been so inspiring to me. Looking forward to the next reaction!

I would love to see your re-reactions, Coach!! Also, rewind all you want, your comments are always really informative!

I would love to watch a re-reaction, havent seen any other channel do that either, so I think its great idea!

They don't show this in the anime but, from what I recall from the manga, Asahi clenching his fist and then letting go was a way for him to relieve the " excessive power ", that way he can serve with more control

here comes my baby kita!!! i hope you're gonna love him as much as we do, coach!!

Hey Coach! I know you've been mentioning a few times in the past that Osamu is the bigger brother but I just want you to know that Atsumu is actually the older twin!

I have found myself waiting for these videos to come every week now. Thank you for the uploads

Finalmente! Fico esperando a semana toda por uma reação sua. Adoro o seu trabalho, treinador. Abraços de Portugal!

I didn't know Suna's torso trick was a real technique in pro volleyball. I love learning new things like this.

13:15 what suna basically does is he leans his entire upper kind of horizontly and uses his upper core power to swing the ball with his arm. For example, if a normal hitter's body is up vertically when they spike, then sunas body is slanted because it gives him more reach and more power because he is using his upper core body to swing

Hey coach, I remember you was wondering about Inarizakis banner slogan in a previous episode. Just wanted to let you know that in episode 22, most of that episode relates to that. And then remember Inarizakis serving specialist, he'll be back there aswell!

"these guys are looking funny real fast". Rofl I've been waiting all season for this moment.

Let's be honest, aside from the usual reasons of wanting to see Coach Donny's interpretation and comments on the haikyuu plays, plot and animation gems that he always provides, this is just an excuse for most if not all of us to rewatch the show 😂

I am SOOOOOO excited for the next episode!!!!! You're gonna love it, coach!!!!

The reason they "missed" that ball compression, and they did several other times in this season, is because they're not actually drawing the ball by hand, but using a 3D asset and just squishing it for a few frames. Back in the other seasons, while most of the time the ball is indeed a 3D object they're moving across the screen, at the time of serves or powerful spikes with Oikawa or Ushiwaka, when the ball hit the floor, you could see it properly compress, with it being drawn in 2D. But due to the usual production issues they had in Season 4 pt.2, they decided to cut back on the times they drew every individual frame of that compression and used the 3D model (which they dont need to draw but can just move) for times where they would have otherwise gone 2D in other seasons. There's an even more egregious example of this in a later episode with a line shot, where the ball compresses but the wrong way around, meaning the ball hitting the floor remains a semisphere while the above half compresses down concavely. Though I dont remember if in that case it was some 3D+object warping or straight up animators not knowing how physics work or having somehow not seen the previous 3.5 seasons

Next episode is gonna be amazing! Coach is gonna love him!!

great as always!

yess pls to rereactions! i look forward to these videos every week and love watching your reaction coach :)

When it comes to the midpoint animals, the birds are crows for Karasuno and are specifically Hinata and Kageyama, the foxes are for Inarizaki and are Osamu and Atsumu, the cats from last episode are for Nekoma and are Kenma and Kuro, and in an earlier episode the owls are for Fukurodani and are Bokuto and Akaashi. This is because Karasu means crow, Inari is the name of a god of foxes, neko means cat, and fukuro means owl. I will say I do miss the older midpoint moments with them serving and hitting at the water bottle, but I hope this explains the different animals being used.

Loved this video! Wouldn’t mind if you kept videos in this format going forward!

the no. 1 inari is a underrated player...can't wait to see next episode...💯❤

Kageyama’s serving routine has slowly become more and more like Oikawa’s! It’s my favorite detail but no one talks about it. I also think it’s such an excellent detail because of course a first year doesn’t have a routine figured out yet and keeps mixing it up.

next episode is one of my favorites, can't wait for the reaction. Lots of thoughts to take in the next episode

Absolutely Coach, id love to see your second reaction to this series, you see so much more the next time you watch it.

I’m so excited for you to watch the next episode I love their captain and his philosophy really changed the way I viewed sports and life in general.

I'm happy that you have been rewinding scenes you want to talk about :)

"and you guys know how much I love my ball compression... in Haikyuu"

Oh man, here we go. Time for Coach to meet the character I personally have been waiting for to show up next episode. He's is definitely a must have if I were to make a team!

Inarizaki's libero is kinda underestimated. He doesn't draw a lot of attention, but he's pretty consistent with the receives.

Yes rewatch it I would watch those all over again with the info you know now haha

Re-watching reaction videos will be amazing! Especially now that you have the history. Great idea!!! Can't wait!!!!! YAY!

Let’s be real here. Season 4s animation is no where near season 1-3 but the last few episodes of season 4 are still HYPE AF! I can’t wait for the reactions. SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT

I've watched a lot of Haikyuu reactions and your perspective as a coach really is interesting and different. This gives me more information about volleyball, animations, and a different perspective of Haikyuu. Thank you, Coach!

After finding the coach about a month ago, I finally finished binging the rest of the Haikyuu vids and had to actually wait for this episode!!!

Ive been waiting for this!!

A little detail: Since Kageyama was almost mentored by Oikawa in middle school, he does the same cheek puff on a powerful serve that Oikawa does

I love how after Inarizaki's fans are booing at their pinch you can see yamaguchi and kinnoshita looking angry/upset. because even if it was a good thing for their team to get the point they know how hard it can be to be the pinch server...

I can't wait for the next episode!!! You'll definitely love him!!😍

Such a hype episode!

Hey coach, great vid as usual.. wish there are halftime skits on your other videos. It may not be you per se, but also other people doing the "hitting the bottle" bit. Keep up the good work!!

I have been waiting for the next episode ever since coach got to season 4. Inarizaki's captain really seems like a character that coach will love. :) ❤️

Oh man this is going to be a great next episode

would definitely love to see you coach make reactions again cause as per my experience, i got to love haikyuu moree after rewatching it. the depth from plot and characters is just soo wonderful.

I love that Kageyama keeps his concentration and does visualizations during the time out, just like his mentor K-Pop

i personally dont mind if you rewind as many times as you want, coach. your commentaries on both volleyball and animation gives me an insight to the episodes i've already watched before. its why i keep coming back, after all

YES YES YES!!! can't wait for the next episode introducing one of my favorite Haikyuu character LETS GOOOOOOOOO!!!

I can’t tell you how many times it’s a struggle to do overhand passes. Especially when the ball slips through your fingers or you mis position yourself too much under the ball instead behind. Lots of mental stress when you fail your teammates on the serve receive, but when you managed to get a good up with your overhand, definitely a rewarding moment like nishinoya!! (And not breaking your fingers) Being scared to try new things makes the journey not fun at all!!

the puffy cheeks before a hard hit/serve are likely to communicate a sort of "brace for impact" moment, since obviously you have to be conscious of clenching up other parts of your body. but keeping the air sucked into your mouth to the point that your cheeks puff up feels almost like they're almost straining to keep all of that energy locked in for that moment they make that super powerful contact with the ball. so excited for you to meet the inarizaki captain next episode!! pls feel free to take as many pauses/rewinds as you like to discuss any details that interest you, coach! hoping it's not too much hard on your editor, but it's always wonderful to hear any and all commentary you have! that's why we're all here :)

10/10 would definitely watch again with you!

You can also rewind to understand what's happening. Not just for the animation

you are going to be introduced to one of the best characters of haikyuu next episode! have fun coach!

Amazing reaction sir! 🔥👍

The sponsor breaks are even great thank you for the videos that make my day

Can't wait for the next episode , I love their Captain

Hi coach! Dont know if you gonna read this, but i've been watching your reactions since episode 1 season 1 probably, and they always give me this sensation that its like watching with an uncle or older cousin. Even if i'm having a bad day, the reaction kindda distracts me and i feel better afterwards, like the problem is not the end of the world anymore. Anyway, hope u keep going with the reactions, you do a lot of impact on us that you couldnt even know!

ABSOLUTELY I'd be here for the rewatch.

i was so happy to hear u would re react there is so much depth in Haikyuu it will b interesting to get your second take

thankksss for thee videoo coachh lotss of love from Malaysiaaa XD

IM SO EXCITED FOR THE NEXT EPISODE AHHHHHH

I would love to see you re-react to all of Haikyuu again! I really gained a lot of new insight on my second viewing of the show. Plus it'll be great to see what sort of fun stuff your editor does with your reactions to the earlier Haikyuu seasons!😁

Ohhhhhh my surprise to see video today! What a gift coach!

Pause whenever you want, rewind whenever you want Coach. I think everyone would rather you understand/appreciate a scene after watching it a few times than a more seamless viewing 😁

OMGGG KITAAA IS IN, COACH DONNY I CANT WAIT FOR YOU TO MEET INARIZAKI’S AMAZING CAPTAIN 🥰

This guy is looking at some amazing scene and will pause in the middle to judge the animation, lmao I can not

I would definetly enjoy both of your ideas that you came up with