Voice to Parliament a ‘fraud from the beginning’
Former Labor Party president Warren Mundine says the Indigenous Voice to Parliament is a “fraud from the beginning”.
“There’s hundreds of Aboriginals down there (in Canberra), talking to government, talking to ministers, talking to crossbenchers, talking to the opposition,” he said.
“There is not any piece of legislation dealing with Aboriginals that doesn’t have Aboriginals sitting there today.”
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Vote NO ! One Flag 🇦🇺 Stop the enabling, stop the sympathising, stop this rot !
@elmerfudd6305
Жыл бұрын
Mainstream media have already Released a poll of the results Which is approx 64% in favour To 36% against... Talk about propaganda.. This poll has never taken place.. Evil mainstream agenda at it again.
@bretth8788
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The Australian flag has been moved from the position it should hold according to protocol. If you look at the position of flags the Australian flag has been moved to the side in all press conferences.
@elmerfudd6305
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Brett H Thanks for the awareness Blood is boiling over that one..
NO to any race-based division being embedded in the Constitution. Moreover, NO to anything of which we're told "the details will follow later" !
Vote no to a divisive political instrument.
What a disgusting and disgraceful waste of money With all the issues going on in our country is this remotely justified
@info88w11
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VOTE NO - THESE ACTIVISTS NEED TO BE SHUT DOWN
@rjclue2630
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Always was and always will be Aboriginal Land.
@KIA-MIA-POW
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@@rjclue2630 ...thankfully, your opinion will always be in the minority !
@rjclue2630
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@@KIA-MIA-POW that is not what Buddha says.
@NoOne56488
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@@rjclue2630 I own my land, if anyone comes seeking it prepare for blood as i would rather die than to give up my land to fairy tails. No one is indigenous to any place bar Africa due to the human race started their.
Aboriginal man says we already have a voice. White woman says no you don't. I think that says it all.
Once racial privilage is enshrined in the Constitution, that damage to our country can never be undone. Even if we later repealed it, pandora's box would be forever open.
Why aren't we having a forensic audit as to where all the money given to Aboriginal people is going and exactly to whom and what it was used for that should be publicly available
@jframe-os2zi
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Absolutely, release the true figures.
@gavinbottcher9174
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Their to gutless because they will be called racist.
@reddog167
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When I served in the Army we were on exercise in the NT. We stayed in a Aboriginal community where the policeman told us they the Aboriginals get grants to buy new land cruisers etc. He said they put in 5k and the Government took them up to buy the vehicle. He also said they drive it until the oil or water Is dry and the vehicles motor seizes and they just leave it in the scrub and walk away, ot means nothing too them, he then buys it off them and they just get another grant and get another one.
@gavinbottcher9174
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@@reddog167 yes that's been happening for years they are hopeless.
@reddog167
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@@gavinbottcher9174 %200 mate, it's not only that they get grants but the total couldn't care less about what they were given was shameful.
NOT ALL ABORIGINALS WANT THIS CRAP IT WILL JUST TURN OUT TO BE VERY FEW PEOPLE IN CHARGE, THIS TYPE OF CRAP MAKES CERTAIN PEOPLE RICH AND THE REST POOR
@DAWeeve
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It will result in grubby political corruption and cronyism for a small select few who want to build their own little self-serving kingdom.
@Nathan-ry3yu
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The thing is it will be only run by quater cast that will be as white as any European. Any aboriginal that could even be full blood with different political views will only be outcast. It's just another leftist lobby group ready to split the nation into an unfair system. It won't work good for Aboriginals or the rest of Australians. It's a trojan horse. I'm voting No
Everyone and community have a voice, no need for one or the other to be heard more or less than the other, just say NO.
@info88w11
Жыл бұрын
VOTE NO TO THIS POWER, LAND AND CASH GRAB
How about we have the Voice of "COMMON SENSE" in parliament - have a group of people with backgrounds where they had real jobs - not career (lawyers and politicians) , who've never had a real job, or got their hands dirty in their lives. Now that would be a FIRST for Australian politics.
@VH-gw3qi
Жыл бұрын
think we’d be struggling to find anyone with common senses these days
@davidcruse6589
Жыл бұрын
Good luck with that This just reinforces why life experience is more important Than university education as books only teaches so much Live not blacken white like text books 📚 All our leadership is life of text 📚 and no experience Been on governments purse all their lives especially the primister Should try working for a business and see what really happens in life For the working class they supposedly represent all lies Unless you experienced it you don't understand how it works
@Retiredroamers
Жыл бұрын
Our dipshit pm ticks all the boxes you mentioned
@raymarsh5455
Жыл бұрын
Anything that degrades the European nation is in the interest of China, and they are buying out the nation.
@damienwilloughby
Жыл бұрын
White people ain't aloud to talked about it?
The Voice to Parliament to change our Constitution will be a NO vote from me and many other Australians who refuse to divide our country into us and them. NO, NO, NO IS MY VOTE, but if we were voting for equality and all following the same set of rules /laws, my vote might be different.
With 11 Aboriginal people in Parliament, the need for another "voice" is beyond redundant.
She uses the vote for same sex marriage as a successful example. It started with "We just want to be accepted". Then it was "We just want to get married". And now it's "Give us your children. Bigot".
@deanbray2805
Жыл бұрын
Youd assume the elder generation would have a higher percentage of those not for gay marriage ,they said it was abt 70%before the plebiside that were for the change so what would that percentage be in 10 years? What gets lost -learning to love over a period of time... A long engagement, no its all abt how fast we can do things these days. No wonder dementure rates have exploded
@trkstatrksta8410
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@@deanbray2805 Dementia?
@DAWeeve
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I always said that as soon as the gays got marriage rights, they would begin their push for adoption rights. I don't support any of them. Two man can't make a baby together. Nor can two women. If you choose that way of life and lifestyle, you miss out. So do I as a man who chooses to stay single. Tough luck - that's the life you chose for yourself! When Riccardo Bosi of the _Australia One_ party attended all of those anti-COVID-19 lockdown rallies in Sydney and Canberra, he would address the crowd with the words, "Why am I seeing ten thousand different flags here?" - the red ensign, the Aboriginal flag, the boxing kangaroo, the traditional blue Australian flag, the upside down 'distress' flag, the Eureka flag, etc, etc, etc...
3.3% of Australia's population is indigenous, 4.9% of Australia's Parliament is indigenous. Isn't that over represented?
It's pro apartheid as well.
The Australian flag represents unity of the Entire Nation
The Aboriginal community already have votes...
no to this rubbish, I will vote no
Aboriginals currently have as much right as I do to make decisions about our lives. By formalising a process where one race has more input into national policy formalises racism. It forever locks Aboriginals into always arguing for a special deal. They as a group need to change the mindset from compensation for the past to embracing the world as it is now. I say NO to locking everyone into a never ending discussion of the past and look to the future.
@dianafarmer5445
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@Orrong 5 You're right, they're allowed to catch a lot more Fish than White People are, and in NSW White people have to pay for a fishing licence. They don't. Thats one example.
@leerethus4754
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You are so right
@aaronriley1833
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@@dianafarmer5445 mate in the far north there allowed to fish in green zones they have black only hospitals there kids get free lunch at school because they are to lazy to make it the list goes on and on up here the laziest most unproductive race on earth and they get given everything
@again5162
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My vote is no and my nephews are half aboriginal, they can vote at 18 and already have a voice just like any citizen
@annviolet4727
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@Orrong 5 Your area? Sorry, but we don't have an area... not anywhere in Australia.
Are we going to DNA test all those involved to ensure they are Aboriginal?
@VH-gw3qi
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maybe…… what’s currently required to prove your “aboriginality”?
@rosshilton
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@@VH-gw3qi Nothing
@Bruce15485
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Otherwise everyone who can vote, can have an influence and vote on the voice to parliament. Duplication !!!
@Nathan-ry3yu
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They will be as white as you and me I bet.
@Nathan-ry3yu
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@@VH-gw3qi Being an actual Aboriginal is. Not some white man claiming to be one
One special interest group gets a 'voice', and soon all special interest groups will get a 'voice' - and to hell with the rest of us. Just, NO.
In South Africa that sort of thing was tried IT FAILED. One voice for everyone respective of color, language, creed or culture PERIOD!!! Australians don't set your country up for bad days!!!
Good on you Warren Mundine, for showing that the Indigenous have always had a voice. I think a lot of voters did not know this.
Aboriginal Australians already have a voice in most matters that impact them… the fact that many aboriginal organizations have had poor oversight and have been wrought with corruption should be of primary concern to anyone thinking of saying “Yes”
@tomorrow6
Жыл бұрын
Yes - but all government organizations suffer from that which is why our original Australian constitution sought to minimize the powers of the federal government to ensure that state governments focused on state issues like health and education and the federal government handled international treaties and commerce But loads of corruption and cancerous government growth and violation of the constitution has followed
@thinkingallowed7042
Жыл бұрын
I'm not voting 'yes' for a constitutionally empowered and embedded lobby group.
@rjclue2630
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Always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Rest are all settlers not their country mate.
@ilguitaro
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@@rjclue2630 Funny a lot of people say the same about Ukraine...that it's always been Russian....................!
@mikespike2099
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@@rjclue2630 no Australia is a beautiful multicultural nation like many others who are made up by multiple waves of immigrants like many other lands… it’s too bad aboriginals are on the wrong side of history …cannot whine about something that happened over 200-300 years ago mate!
My vote goes to Warren Mundine. After all he has the heritage that supports that view. Lefties mind your own business and stop dividing us .🎼We are one ,we are Australian🎼and WG1 WGA. 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
simple, vote NO...NO NO .......NO.......done :)
This will be the ultimate lobby group. Anyone who understands the influence without accountability that lobby groups have will understand why this is not a good idea.
Warren Mundine - yes, thank you. Voice of reason. Clear and concise...
The problem isn't the people of Australia far far from it, the problem is the government - over paid, over staffed, over reaching. If government disappeared for a couple of months no one would miss them.
I would much rather have freedom of speech entered into our constitution rather than having an implied right to political expression. Set our freedom of speech in concrete rather than leave it up to the high courts to interpret or governments to override when it doesn't suit them.
@johnwoodrow8769
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Once you include "freedom of speech" in the constitution it is EXACTLY up to the High Court to interpret and establish what that actually means. Go study the US and their revered Bill of Rights and Constitution, and then look at what occurs in practice. It is their Supreme Court that establishes what really happens.
@tomorrow6
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@@johnwoodrow8769 yes but at least the Supreme Court in tHe USA is upholding free speech in the main, although the trial and persecution of Alex Jones is doing its best to stifle it.
@johnwoodrow8769
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@@tomorrow6 Nonsense, the USA is the home of 'cancel culture'. You can be fired from your job just for expressing an opinion. Even a former President is effectively restricted from 'free speech' by the tech giants. The USA's Bill of Rights was written by people who 'owned' slaves.
@TheMichaelStott
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@@johnwoodrow8769 In the US it's the Supreme Court and Congress can not make any laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. There have been cases where the supreme courts have struggled with what is free speech and what is protected speech However, I am not concerned with the US. Although it would be beneficial to us if government had the above restrictions placed upon them not to be able to make laws that prohibit freedom of speech unlike restrictions and laws created in Australia such as 18c where the words "Offence" and "Insult" were so open ended that any practical assessment by judges and administrators as to when conduct crosses this harm that it was up to a subjective response. Then there are state defamation laws which again have quite a lot of openness and regards subjective response higher. If you have a well paid lawyers they may help in your defence along the lines of trying to argue that your opinion was neither made to intentionally insult, humiliate, offend, threatening or abusive but to state either fact or speculation. I'm aware that the US constitution freedom of speech has it's own limitations but seeming we don't have freedom of speech anyone trying to make an argument in court can be laughed at. When you have High Court judges here arguing that our implied right was not "Settled law" and may not exist you got to be a tad bit concerned.
@johnwoodrow8769
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@@TheMichaelStott Freedom of religion is already guaranteed by the Australian Constitution. What you are completely failing to recognise is that the REAL law of the land, regardless of whether a Bill of Rights exists, is the 'common law'. It is what the Supreme Court or High Court says it is, regardless of a few brief words in a founding document. Just where in the US Bill of Rights does it deal with abortion? Where does it deal with same sex marriage? Did the right of the US States to maintain a "well regulated militia" (intended so the federal government couldn't subdue the states by military means) mean every citizen can own 100 semi-automatic assault rifles. FFS, the US currently holds people in permanent imprisonment without trial by jury. Something banned in British justice by the Magna Carta in 1215. What country had slaves, what country suffered under McCarthyism, what country had effective racial segregation laws to not that long ago? What country invented 'cancel culture'? What country drove the obscene global 'covid' response? What country has perhaps the most ingrained and politicised 'deep state' on the planet. The US is the last place to go look for a model of 'freedom' among developed Western nations.
One people - One Australian flag 🇦🇺
The ONLY reason for inclusion in the constitution is so no future government EVER, can dismantle this proposed indigenous organisation. Basically permanent jobs for the indigenous grievance industry no matter how ineffective or corrupt like its predecessor ATSIC it may become. The present government already has the powers to create a "voice" by legislation.
Looks like some people are more equal than others. Identity politics at it's worst.
@benjamintaheny450
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Identity politics from before it jumped out of the paddock was PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION by a group that wants to Erase white people. Hiding their agenda behind Aboriginal causes is the sales pitch to the gullible.
All of this should have been made public before the election
Warren's right here. It can be done with legislation. Why this additional need to enshrine it in the Constitution - that's a whole other level? Yes, and sinister.
How many MORE Do we have to give Voice TO THEM >>> Enough is Enough >> WHO Build this NATION >> US > NOT THEM
@davidnapier2971
Жыл бұрын
Well said I agree 100%
@Henry1965ism
Жыл бұрын
Out of nothing White Europeans built a first world society. All they would be capable of building would be a grass hut.
@SOz-uf5yq
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@@davidnapier2971 👍👍👍 Me too.
@beepbeep6861
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@@SOz-uf5yq Who's us who built this nation, did you have anything to do with it?, What did you build, if you had nothing to do with any of it, you need to sit down.
@beepbeep6861
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@Jaxi A I'm not afraid to say I didn't, I wasn't the one saying that we or us did this and that, was I, tell me what have you done.
Change the constitution... couldn't trust them to change the sheets on the bed.
I believe in one flag, one country. We don't want our country to move towards an apartheid system, where one section of our society has rights and privileges over another section of Australia. I have lived in Malaysia where I have seen this first hand. This will not do our Aboriginal Australian any favours.
Not going to happen.
@thinkingallowed7042
Жыл бұрын
I honestly don't think Albo Sleazy will get his way on this. This is a radical change.
Linda Scott's comparison to the Indigenous advisors to Sydney City Council show that no change to the Constitution is required.
@johnwoodrow8769
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Agreed, as she was speaking all I could hear was a pretty compelling reason for the NO case.
@justaminute3111
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When she went on to compare this to the Referendum on Marriage Equality, that was a false equivalency, since it was reversing what Howard had done. Also there really was only 65% who voted ‘Yes’ on that.
So, if Bishop is correct, if this change was made the laws would be ultimately decided by the High Court. A set of unelected, political appointees would be ultimately deciding all laws? Under what circumstances? If she is right, ‘No’ is the way to go.
There is already ample indigenous elected representation in Federal Parliament.
So why do we need a national voice when have many voices at the local level?
Linda Scott describes how well the current consultation process with indigenous representatives is working at a local government level. She puts forward a rather compelling case to vote NO! Why is another 'voice' needed when the current system (which would be similar at both a state and federal level) would be similar.
And absolutely no detail whatsoever and we are expected to vote for it.
Warren Mundine is a legend!
I have had a gut full say thank you for living in the country I was born and my uncles have fought for in the two Great wars and two other ones, I’ve had enough, this is my land as much as anyones 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
@mariecameron9592
Жыл бұрын
Well said 💯
@peace-now
Жыл бұрын
So what? They fought in the Boer War and the Great War, plus "two other ones" you mention (Afghan and Iraq, I suppose). I don't care what they think. These people blame those who didn't fight, medics who were conshies like my uncle. I am sick to death of these people who "fought" calling thise who didn't cowards and traitors. Come on. Were they in firing parties also, killing of those with battle shock?
@donaldjones8881
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Well said Rob
@beepbeep6861
Жыл бұрын
While we're at it, we should blame the first nations people for selling Australia off to the Chinese also.
@donaldjones8881
Жыл бұрын
@@beepbeep6861 that would be a good idea they are responsible for selling the country to the Chinese they are getting billions in royaltys
It's always a cash grab ALWAYS
@beepbeep6861
Жыл бұрын
What cash grab, you can keep your money pal.
@bigbopper143
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@@beepbeep6861 I intended to regardless. Besides I will never vote to have less than 3% of our population dictate to me 😎
@beepbeep6861
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@@bigbopper143 What you're afraid of?
@bigbopper143
Жыл бұрын
@@beepbeep6861I haven't even considered losing.
@beepbeep6861
Жыл бұрын
@@bigbopper143 Answer the question, what are you afraid of?.
Comparing gay marriage with a voice is all you need to know about the agenda
Imagine having to consult an unelected group of people on everything you intend to do as a PM let alone government ..this body will have to mange this & either become huge or it will require a humongous administration- doubling of public service - we are going down a really bad pathway, this is moronic, let alone undemocratic.
Did no one else find it highly amusing that the Labour representative just made the "no" case by fully explaining that other government bodies have advisory boards of Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders then saying basically what’s the difference, exactly the point! If you can do it without changing the constitution then why are you trying to change the constitution?
What bothers me the most is you cant classify what an aboriginal is. It's a word that generalises hundreds of small groups of indigenous people. These people all think differently, you can't assign a body to think for all black people or white people....
@info88w11
Жыл бұрын
VOTE NO TO THIS POWER, LAND AND CASH GRAB
@annviolet4727
Жыл бұрын
@@stewy2909 A non Aboriginal partner also has the same Aboriginal rights.
@Retiredroamers
Жыл бұрын
A minimum of about 1/2 % by the colour of 99.5% of the Wingin Bitchin tribe makin all the noise.
@fringedweller5425
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Aboriginal comes from the Latin word aborigine. It means 'from the beginning'. Well, that'll be the pygmies the ancestors of this current mob drove off their land and exterminated. First Nation. What a joke. They were never first and they've never been a nation. A conglomerate of tribes.... Always were. Always will be.
@Retiredroamers
Жыл бұрын
An aboriginal is someone born in a country, a native of that country,Black, White, Yellow or Brown, makes no difference at all.
Why change Our Australian constitution, as it already provides Equality for All. ALL Australians have the constitutional right and opportunity to stand for parliament. First Australians like any other Australian Citizens, are able to form Political Parties with the same privileges, rights and responsibilities under the current constitution. These proposed changes have the very real possibility of Usurping an Elected Parliament and our Current Westminster Form of Government. Potentially, not for the better, these new First Nation Constitutional Powers may change our constitutional "status quo" to one that is Divisive, Racist, Undemocratic and Vastly Unfair.
Smaller government not larger that is even more divisive than now . The Aboriginals have the same voice in the government that the average Australian has and has more rights than the average Australian .
So we we can have more voices like Lidia Thorpe?? There's enough hate and division in the country already.
If Airbus Albo supports it that's enough for me to reject it!
Logical clear thing to do😂😂😂😂, whats logical is that we already have Aboriginal voices in Parliament. The were voted in, how awesome is that.
Take a look at what’s happening in New Zealand. You guys are lucky you are having a referendum.
The constitution is for all Australians, not just for one segment of society.
The penalty for burning an Australian flag can be three year jail but five years for burning an aboriginal flag. Where is the equality?
Thanks Warren M for being the voice of reason.
Why worry fellas. When the Chinese overwhelm Aussie there won't be any room for either colonists or indigenous types. Your "green" energy won't go to waste though. It'll power your Navy and Army. Anyone for tennis? Cheers Stuart.
@julieugo4407
Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🎾🎾
Don’t believe a word they say......Nothing but Politics........Tell them to get stuffed......Warren Mundine is Spot On.
I’d rather see term limits on the swamp than vote for more swamp.
4:47 They got married... And the slippery slope started from that moment. Remember what those people sang about: "We're coming for your kids" and some of those members of that particular choir that sang that evil song were literal s3x offenders...
They already have avenues of a voice to parliament, like every other Australian they can write to their local representative, form a lobby group, form a political party and stand for election.
I can't vote for a thought bubble. No information, no policy, no discussion. Vote No.
love that they don't mention the warren was also a chairmen on the coalitions aboriginal council.
We sing with ONE VOICE I am You are We are AUSTRALIANS, pretty well sums it up vote NO.
Say no to apartheid
Glad Bronwyn shut the Mouth down, so Warren could speak HIS VOICE.
Yes, people got married but they have been carrying on about every other thing they can think of. Nothing is good enough for those people so a referendum for anything is a waste of time and money.
No way! They haven’t proved to be good at either decisions or money.
I still fail to see WHY this needs to be in the Constitution.
@raelenekeegan4186
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@Greenlissy same here. And if it gets in it’s there for good. What worries me though is that Albo won’t tell anyone the finer details of what exactly it will look like, how it operates etc as it would effect the outcome of the referendum. Akin to voting for a politician who will tell you their policies etc after they win the election!!!
I didn’t think anyone has made a case for why it’s needed. All I know is more government means more intrusion into my life. So “No” all day long to wanting bigger government full stop.
They already have a 'voice'. It is called voting. Everyone has the same rights and that is how it should stay. No particular group should have rights different to any other.
Vote NO NO NO
The concern I had about the Govt injecting more money into the Yes campaign is beginning. I expect other local councils to follow Randwick Council push for Yes, reportedly costing $500,000 of rate payers money. How does council get away with this?
Thanks Warren for your voice of reason. Linda, stop being so smug when common sense is thrown at you.
I'm 100 PC indigenous Aussie Born and Bred and I will die and buried here My early ancestors probably came from Europe or British lands
NO, NO, NO. Never!
Should we all be treated equally, should we all have the same rights?
the nation voted yes and look what we have ended up with
@countyorga764
Жыл бұрын
So sad your lying scum mates were FIRED. 🤣🤣
Vote NO to apartheid...
I'll vote NO because the Indigenous aren't like the pigs on ANIMAL FARM. "All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
Vote NO And Greezy this referendum is going to cost the Australian taxpayer millions and you know what sleezy greezy Your not worth the trouble
Warren Mundine, thank you.❤👏👏👏👏👏👏
Our voice in Parliament has spoken and brudders and disters get a brand new Toyoda and a free fuel card. 😂😂😂
I would much rather listen to Warren Mundine and Jacinta Price on indigenous issues than the prime minister who should go back to sleep .
Good thing we got white people (like the woman on the left) speaking on behalf of Indigenous, otherwise how else could we divert our attention from the real issues through symbolism
Never sign a blank cheque so vote NO thanks
We're all Australians now... And if certain groups need assistance, they should get it, but not due to their appearance or race.
This Yank watching from Detroit says please dont change your flag! Its one of the most beautiful flags after the Stars and Stripes. I love Australia, yep I said it.
All of Australia for all Australians.
Thankyou Mr Mundine
Well said Mr Mundine
Vote ABSOLUTELY NO NO NO A HUGH NO and one FLAG
I must be a silly old man. You want a voice, get elected. My vote is no.
Ask Jacinta Price for her opinion.
Lady ... changing The Constitution IS not a simple thing !