'The company that you built your business on . . . ' CNE Novell Networks system engineers silently shed a tear . . . 😢

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Great reminder!

@murphyseanm

3 ай бұрын

Ooof, rough time.

@rationalbushcraft

3 ай бұрын

@@eliotmansfield well because vmware is 100 times more efficient and less overhead than hyperv I'm also a former CNE and VCP. We have gone to ProxMox since the broadcom purchase for single server solutions. The configuration for shared iscsi in hyperv sucks compared the vmware or proxmox since the ntfs partition can't natively support more than one initiator. I get that you can add clustering services. But now more overhead and more to go wrong where vmware just works without any fuss or muss. I'm guessing in the future our clients with shared storage we will likely stick with vmware but everyone else gets proxmox.

@MichaelBrierley

3 ай бұрын

I was a certified CNE back in the day LOL

@christopherpeterson6004

3 ай бұрын

@SeaJay_Oceans In 1996 when I entered college, I took a multi certification course for both NT and Novell and Linux. Many just took Novell because it was 80% of the market, however by the time I graduated NT was now 80%. It flipped in just two years.

Cutting the free version is like putting a ticking time bomb on growth. In 5 years when no new people have ever used the product it's just going to dry up.

@ApocDevTeam

3 ай бұрын

Good luck finding business people who can see 5 years into the future.

@honza970

3 ай бұрын

Yes, but this quarter/YoY growth number will be great. After than, time for another gig and leave it to another sucker.

@MrGraywolves

3 ай бұрын

Piracy...piracy will be where it goes.

@robotron1236

3 ай бұрын

@@MrGraywolvesooh, I’d love a pirated version of VMware just for the GPU pass through. Gotta look on the bay! 😂

@MrGraywolves

3 ай бұрын

@@robotron1236 Sittin' on a dock on the bay...

My company's VMware cost increased 8x. That is after negotiations. Now, we are looking to minimize VMware use. This is a shame as I love VMware and have been using it for 20 years in various forms.

@visitante-pc5zc

3 ай бұрын

Ditched vmware long time ago. Renewing the software was always knife stab. Luckily we saw that coming and we started to forge alternatives. Companies like that think they can milk customers indefinitely and they will accept insane price increases happily. A good tech team must be well versed on the art of risk assessment and management

@joelv4495

3 ай бұрын

@@visitante-pc5zc For sure. It's well known that it's cheaper to pay a few dollars more than spend a few hours worth of engineering time to optimize cost. But if you're gonna suddenly price gouge to this magnitude it's gonna start conversations about migrating away en masse.

@patricksquires6348

3 ай бұрын

Negotiations? VSCP or Subscription?

@ubuntu585

3 ай бұрын

Any interest in checking out open source solutions like OpenStack or MicroCloud?

@wishusknight3009

2 ай бұрын

A few people here have switched to XCP-NG. I am about to myself.

That's the Broadcom model - Acquire a company whose products have a big customer lock-in. Jack up the pricing by holding customers at gunpoint, make shitload of ransom money, use some of it for next acquisition. The idea is to quickly recover the acquisition cost, then make some more profit. After that you don't care even if the company shuts down. Imagine a bank is willing to lend you enough money to buy TSMC. You buy TSMC, jack up the prices, customers are going to be pissed but you just care about making a quick ROI, once you have earned enough to pay off the loan, you effectively got the company for free.

@nopenope1

3 ай бұрын

that reminds me of that guy who bought the patent for a medicament and upped the price by 700% or something like that - at least this shady person I believe got some charma. For TSMC, I think Taiwan would intervene, and when US money or loss is involved, the US as well ;) Tim Apple would just make a call. But yeah, for VMWare Broadcom got it through.

@oblivion_2852

3 ай бұрын

​​@@nopenope1Martin Shkreli?

@wayland7150

3 ай бұрын

@@nopenope1 I think the man went to prison.

@nopenope1

3 ай бұрын

@@oblivion_2852 that was the guy, just lokked wiki up, it was from 13 to 7xx USD, so not 700%... and he actually got through with this one...

@hughjanus7354

3 ай бұрын

@@wayland7150 he's out and very much pleased with himself. Look him up on here.

There must have been a big party at Proxmox HQ when this was announced :)

@Watchserviceandrepair

3 ай бұрын

Lmao😂

@zyghom

3 ай бұрын

that was my comment to be, right? where one dies, another is born

@1armbiker

3 ай бұрын

Proxmox and XCP-ng.

@for2utube

3 ай бұрын

@ivanmaglica264. There will be a lot of “Christmasers” in the Proxmox forums. The term “Christmasers” going back to people who got a new CB radio for Christmas and immediately started acting Hollywood in the middle of you chatting with another person.

@YourIdeologyIsDelusional

3 ай бұрын

FOSS is the way to go, and the more FOSS, the better.

Glad I didn't do any VMware qualifications! "Broadcom - where companies go to die."💩

@awarepenguin3376

3 ай бұрын

I have plenty of certs, VCP was the one I was most proud of, but you're right, it's worthless now.

@tomo8224

3 ай бұрын

@@awarepenguin3376 well not totally worthless, you should still be proud, I'm sure potential employers will still recognise you have a certain level of technical expertise in virtualization etc for other products/jobs.

@AtilaVasconcelos

3 ай бұрын

@@awarepenguin3376 I was jus considering about to take or not some VMware certs.... thankfully I toke more time to decide... so, now my decision is pretty obvious.

@Bozebo

3 ай бұрын

Never really seen the point in any vendor specific "qualifications". (except for medical equipment or aircraft or something, not that that is even properly managed...)

@timsievers2067

3 ай бұрын

I took Cisco, Microsoft, VMware, Amazon, and CompTIA qualifications. There's no real point in maintaining them. Just get them once to put on your reusme.

FYI: My friend who's was a UK employee told me this: 1032 employees in November. - 321 roles made redundant - ⁠352 people have rejected their offer letters and taking severance. So that means 65% of UK workforce will be gone. They are fuc..ed run away...

@muhdiversity7409

3 ай бұрын

It's clear that all the software is frozen in time as of this acquisition. There will be no further enhancements.

@briandeschene8424

3 ай бұрын

@@muhdiversity7409 I’ve been in IT since before it was called IT (Electronic Data Processing? :-). Every such merger/acquisition has that negative side-effect of the new owners trying to milk everything they can out of what they bought while investing as little as possible in its maintenance/growth.

We ran a datacenter with 800.000+ VMs back in 2019, Migrated to Xen & Oracle & k8s in 2020. Upgraded the leaf switches to 40G ports towards the servers with the money saved. Boy am I happy for my ex-employer today. 😂

@user-ym4xy6us5e

3 ай бұрын

What does the G stand for? I hope not gigabit.

@Zecko19

3 ай бұрын

I used "G" to abbreviate 40Gbit/s, as in QSFP+ Ports.

@Galasuy

3 ай бұрын

I can't imagine how painful that migration could be. Care to elaborate? Thx

@RoyOlsen

3 ай бұрын

Good for you! I literally just completed our multi-year migrations from Oracle PCA (Xen) to run our mixed (k8s/vm) workloads on Vmware. 😅

@RoyOlsen

3 ай бұрын

Any GPU support from Oracle yet? Those pesky LLM containers need access to the nvidia chips.

VMware pricing has affected large businesses too. It's now cheaper to invest in completely new deployments, from renting new DC floor space to completely new compute/storage/networking just to get away from esxi faster. P.S. OpenStack rules!

@insu_na

3 ай бұрын

heck yeah OpenStack!

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Good point.

@Eugensson

3 ай бұрын

We have a good deal from OCI, they can sublicense VMware for a nice price. But that's Oracle, so no guarantees that these nice deals are gonna last.

@acquacow

3 ай бұрын

Give OpenShift virtualization a go.

@TylerDurden-pk5km

3 ай бұрын

@@Eugensson It is Oracle - so it is absolutely guaranteed to not last. Enjoy it while it lasts, though. :)

I'm one of VMWare's first customers, going all the back to Workstation in 2000 and ESX in 2002. It has been baffling to me to see how badly VMWare has been mismanaged since the Dell acquisition. The day that they laid off the entire US / Canada development team was the day I pledged to never use their software ever again. Glad I did, given everything that's going on now. What a train wreck.

@frustratedalien666

3 ай бұрын

Are you talking about the early 2000s? My friend has been working in VMWare since 2012-13 as a developer and she's never mentioned any event where the entire US/Canada development team got laid off. She'd be laid off too, since she's based in California. She'll be leaving soon, though. The Broadcom acquisition was worse than she imagined, and that is saying something, since she had very low expectations to begin with.

@sreallybrah

3 ай бұрын

What do you use for large scale deployments now?

@ChrisP978

3 ай бұрын

@@frustratedalien666 EMC acquired VMWare in 2004, Dell acquired EMC in 2016. 2021 Dell spun VMWare off into own company again (no longer a subsidiary). A year later Broadcom acquired them. As part of Dell acquiring EMC and VMWare there were about 900 jobs cut from VMWare at the time. I don't think they disbanded the entire US development team but they certainly relocated some of it to India.

@warren_r

3 ай бұрын

@@sreallybrah I got out of the virtualization business eight years ago. Everything I've done since has been Azure or AWS. I'll look at Nutanix if the need arises in the future.

@williampinner1573

3 ай бұрын

So what he's talking about is that most all of the Palo Alto based devs for specific legacy products were laid off and offshored back in like 2018 or so. It was a big deal at the time for those of us working there, because it was one of the more senior group of engineers. I was in EUC, so I didn't have any overlap, but even I heard the grumbling about it.

I was a mainframe systems programmer until my boss asked me to transition and start up something called distributed systems. This was back in 1992. I became a CNE, eCNE, and MCSE by 1998. I then began working with VMware in 2004. My bank was VMware's first client to run production workloads on 1.0. I have watched VMware transition itself, first to EMC and then to Dell and now to Broadcom. My homelab, up until last Friday, was ESXi 8. I have now fired up Proxmox 8.1 and trying to learn this new paradigm. Broadcom is killing alot of business and I hope these organizations can come together and form consortiums that could license VMware...we shall see.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Great story. Thanks Steve!

@someusername1

3 ай бұрын

Businesses working as a consortium would almost certainly do better to use their joint skills to transition to a new, open source, virtualisation environment that did not lock them into any particular vendor. Vendor lock in will always end badly. It is a poor business choice.

@stevefxp

3 ай бұрын

@someusername1 I could not agree more, however it is a 2 stage process. First stage is keep your business intact. Second stage is to transition your business to a new provider. This doesn't happen overnight.

@Kimppikoo

3 ай бұрын

My new homelab NUC should be delivered today. It’s not going to be esxi anymore, but Proxmox. I’ll have several vms running on old esxi server, most can be transformed to containers but have to do some vm migrations to Proxmox too. I’m anxious to start lesrning new 😊

@GerOffYeWeeBastard

3 ай бұрын

Heh. I had one poor VM that started out on bare metal, then it was cloned into VMware 1, then 2, Then ESXi all the way up to 5x and then finally Hyper-V. I think it developed a complex.

This is just one more reminder that the future is open source.

@yottaforce

3 ай бұрын

Well, yes... I use VMWare at work. I used to run my VM's on Virtualbox, but after experiencing freeze and tons of problems over six month I switched. Some open source is great; but sometimes it sucks. As a company we also need someone to take responsibility.

@SimonCogan

3 ай бұрын

No, you don't, you just need a CTO / IT Mgr who's willing to grow some balls (figurative, gender irrelevant). The whole concept of external responsibility, ie. someone else to blame, leads to bad IT at bad prices and a dangerous lack of internal knowledge@@yottaforce

@yottaforce

3 ай бұрын

@@SimonCogan I can't see what IT could do about this. Busybox had a defect and nobody fixed it for month.

@Wahinies

3 ай бұрын

The future ought to be reminded that OSS is not safe from being bought out.

@wshyangify

3 ай бұрын

Unfortunately this is just a reminder the future is we will own nothing and be happy 😊

I know people who worked (yes past tense) at VMware during the acquisition. It’s a blood bath over there, they have lost (laid off) most of their top support teams, engineers, and good staff. Anyone on VMware needs to run, and run fast.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

That is often the case with acquisitions.

@jfbeam

3 ай бұрын

@@ServeTheHomeVideo A good acquisition does not chuck out valuable talent ("engineers") Sales, marketing, executives, middle management, ... sure, but the people at the core of the value for the company is suicidal to dump. What new technologies are you going to being to market if you fire the people integral to creating them?

@Darkk6969

3 ай бұрын

@@jfbeam First phase of any acquisition is to clean house and remove any job duplication regardless of their seniority. Then restructure the teams. Talk about moral killer.

@jfbeam

3 ай бұрын

@@Darkk6969 I doubt there's a great deal of duplication in their technical roles.

@simplereef4854

3 ай бұрын

@@ServeTheHomeVideoThat “often” happens but not “always” happens.

They also removed all not-for-pofit/academic pricing. We're dropping to Standard or Essentials for this renewal, and switching to either Hyper=V or ProxMox. There's just not enough time to switch right now, or we would.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Giving this a heart as it is a great point.

@FreedomIsNotGoingToBeFree

3 ай бұрын

Will it stop if you don't pay?

@MrLurchsThings

3 ай бұрын

I work in higher-ed and although I don’t use VMware myself, this is good to know. Although in the classroom we moved off VMware workstation many many years ago, and now that virtual box properly supports hyperv as a hypervisor it’s a perfect teaching tool for students (depending on what you’re teaching obviously) and no longer runs as a complete pig.

@JohnBuckmaster

3 ай бұрын

@@FreedomIsNotGoingToBeFree We lose support and updates if we don't renew. If it was just a short period before we could transition, I'd be okay with it, but there's too many moving parts, and it will be a multi-year plan.

@Powertampa

3 ай бұрын

What you think proxmox is going to do when they hit higher userbase. They will just become the next vmware, higher prices included.

The Goodfellas school of business: "F**k you, pay me."

@red5standingby419

3 ай бұрын

Heh, I read that in his voice too. I haven't thought about that movie in a hot minute.

@alexanderscott2456

3 ай бұрын

Except if you don't pay the Mafia, you end up with a horse dead in your bed or end up in a hole.

This is a glimpse of the future for all the businesses locked into a specific cloud provider.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

That is too true.

@viscountalpha

3 ай бұрын

The rumor mill is people dropping cloud services like a hot rock as of lately. Cloud has been a buzzword and kind of bs in the first place.

@cal2127

3 ай бұрын

you will own nothing and be happy - wef

@Feed9Will

3 ай бұрын

Yes. Absolutely. Correct. And as business flock to Hyper-V Microsoft few years will hammer down. Licensing on prem subs and/or Azure only. All tech / IT going toward parasitic profit (aka cloud / SaaS) and not a better humanity. Profit way more important than own staff or customers...all is lost.

@benjaminsmekens2344

3 ай бұрын

@@Feed9Will Yep, that's why we stick to our own DC's and physical hardware, it's getting harder and harder to find qualified engineers that actually understand the underlying tech do. Nevertheless, the cloud is death sentence, I rather deal with the very occasional HW issue (all HW has full support contracts), then to feed the vultures.

My business hasn't had a single support case ... what does we cost to service?! All I have done is buy licences. WELL THAT IS OVER NOW.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

That is an incredibly common story. :-(

@jonathanbuzzard1376

3 ай бұрын

The only time we have ever engaged VMware support was turning our v6 licenses into v7 licenses and then v8 licenses.

@0-do0bido0bido0b-0

3 ай бұрын

They’ve been mostly useless these last few years.

and let us not skip over how VMWare player has been degraded over the past 5 years.

@LaserFur

3 ай бұрын

At least the management has not made that a subscription. There is a small market for VMWare workstation pro, but that market needs decades of running in an off-line environment.

@Hogdriva

3 ай бұрын

Woops I “borrowed” the full version. Oh well.

@Deses

3 ай бұрын

@@Hogdriva I need to borrow it too, I've noticed how normal Player runs worse with every update.

@tad2021

3 ай бұрын

Workstation has barley had any improvements over that time as well. I think the biggest major features added have purely been support for the next version of Windows and virtual hardware compatibility with vShpere.

@quadraforest

3 ай бұрын

VMWare Player and Workstation have been steadily losing features with each update. I was so confused when i saw that virtual drive mounting, physical drive allocation and virtual printers were all removed. If I'm not mistaken, 15.5.7 is the last version before they started doing this.

RiP VMWare, was fun knowing you. (somewhere between 85 and 95% of companies I know serveradmins at, are all in the process of moving away from VMWare now) Still shed a tear from Novell as well (last used it on V4.11, when it was still a viable system)

@gg-gn3re

3 ай бұрын

feels good to be in that

@markdownsouth1500

3 ай бұрын

@@gg-gn3re You clearly weren't around in 2003 when there really was no other hypervisor for the enterprise. Xen required a custom kernel so that wasn't good for Windows server. ESXi and its vCenter were the only enterprise solution for many years while the other hypervisors come along and got the ability to do live migration, live storage migration, HA and other features. Most other hypervisors required Intel / AMD CPU hypervisor extensions to run. ESXi needed none of those for years.

@gg-gn3re

3 ай бұрын

@@markdownsouth1500 I started using linux in 1997 and used xen back then too. Your issues are personal ones, windows man

Same thing happened when they bought Symantec. They tripled the price for our 50,000 seats. We did not renew.

@mohamedsarfaraazosman6419

3 ай бұрын

good job in being one of the few to discourage this kind of change in pricing. what was the impact of not renewing? I'm imagining like months of downtime?

@johnfritz1164

3 ай бұрын

@@mohamedsarfaraazosman6419 Months of work but no down time as we used patching cycles to uninstall Symantec and install its replacement. We had enough notice of thee price change in our three year contract to do it that way. All the Symantec admins needed to be retrained on the new system.

@JeroenvandenBerg82

3 ай бұрын

"We did not renew." we tryd to renew Symantec endpoint protection, for MONTHS, different suppliers, intermediaries, Symantec support, etc. not able to get a license. Everything Broadcom touches is dead withing weeks if not days

@red5standingby419

3 ай бұрын

@@mohamedsarfaraazosman6419 Why would you have months of downtime for not renewing Symantec? Even if worst case happened and you had nothing to replace it ready to go by the time it expired the worst is you would just run without updated protection until you got a replacement product in place. But also it's not like renewals just fall out of the sky a day before they're due. Most would know they are not renewing well before hand and would already be testing replacement products to swap out before your current one expires.

@s__c__o

2 ай бұрын

​@@mohamedsarfaraazosman6419 These companies don't care when people leave. They're purposely cutting out the small fish and focusing on the companies that have no shortage of money. It's a business decision and less headaches for them. I don't agree with it but I understand it.

Welcome to irrelevance VMware. I suspect I'm about to get at LOT of business moving VMware customers to open source platforms, and I'm really happy to help!

@aidancasserley1393

3 ай бұрын

You got a brand or website?

@ffsireallydontcare

3 ай бұрын

@@aidancasserley1393 Not one that's public here ;-)

@patricksquires6348

3 ай бұрын

This was where your supposed to plug hints to your website…

@ffsireallydontcare

3 ай бұрын

@@patricksquires6348 Yeh I get it, but I don't think that's appropriate here, and I only support people in my area.

@sofyane3696

2 ай бұрын

What about hyper-v ?

We left VMware a couple of years ago and have never looked back. The decision was apparently even better than we knew at the time.

@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt

3 ай бұрын

You left out the most important part! What did you move too?

@BalancedByte

3 ай бұрын

@@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt Nutanix

@mihirpatel3754

3 ай бұрын

​@@BalancedByte I heard Nutanix is very expensive.

I was a VMWare technical consultant with a big reseller. I was there since Vsphere 2.5 but 7 years ago I just couldn’t explain the decisions they made to customers anymore. The whole memory tax and VCPU licensing was the tipping point for allot of customers. It was just too greedy by VMWare, especially with hyper-v and xenserver gaining ground. I stepped away from the entire product line and was convinced that it was entirely dead when Dell stepped in. It sad to see such a beloved brand die. But I also think the industry and especially the open-source products will highly benefit from this. It’s also why I started doing allot more open-source so hopefully this will inspire other people as well. The king is dead, long live the open-source king!

3 ай бұрын

*a lot

Broadcom and the PLX deal still drives me up the wall to this day. Before the acquisition there was the WS series of board from Asus where the Z77 and Z87 board would have 1 PLX Pcie chip so that they can do 4 way SLI and the X79 and X99 board can do 7*8x Pcie gen 3 on an ATX board. And those board were reasonable in pricing. But with the acquisition those kind of board just get killed because no one can justify paying hundred and hundreds of dollar for such a niche chip to enable such a niche feature. How fast everyone would have adopted m.2 pcie if those 7*8x boards were readily available... I mean you can stuff 14 nvme drives on a motherboard from 2015-2016 if the acquisition did not goes through and PLX chip prices went through the roof. Rant over.

If I was a CTO and a supplier came to me asking 10x more than they were getting last year you can bet I will be looking for alternatives and an exit strategy from that supplier because it's quite obvious they're not to be trusted.

@jfbeam

3 ай бұрын

If you have perpetual licenses (as I do), I'd just tell them to f... off!, continue using what I have for as long as it works for me, and start looking at less shit options.

@stevefan8283

3 ай бұрын

​@@jfbeamWhy aren't there lawsuits against Broadcom on this matter yet?

@Darkk6969

3 ай бұрын

@@jfbeam If you don't care about security updates and upgrades then cool. Vmware is highly targeted by hackers so either move to another solution or pay up.

@jfbeam

3 ай бұрын

@@Darkk6969 As internal infrastructure, it's less of a concern.

@jttech44

3 ай бұрын

If a vendor comes in with a new quote that's 10x higher, thank them, they've given you an exact budget for replacing them with something else.

Broadcom, the same guys who invented U.3 to stall the adoption of NVMe in OEM servers and force the use of tri-mode RAID cards. Fun times

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

I have pretty strong thoughts on this that I may have previously shared with you.

@5467nick

3 ай бұрын

Tri-mode cards are ridiculously awful and I despise everything about them. One of the biggest solutions in search of a problem that I've ever seen.

I ran servers for a research university starting around 2000, and started deploying VMware in about 2004 with their free offerings. Eventually we purchased the enterprise version which was priced per socket. At the same time we were moving from 4 cores(no HT)/socket to 8(with HT), VMware changed their pricing to per core (I think it counted virtual cores too), so our cost was about to increase 1600%). We continued running what we had with less than 2 years until EOL. After much research, we went with Red Hat Virtualization, and migrated many hundreds of VMs over to the new cluster, and never looked back. When the university started using VMs for cs classes, they were deploying maybe tens of thousands of fresh VMs each semester, and had moved to 32 core AMD with SMT, and were saving several million/year over VMware licensing. There's a lot of competition in that market now, and VMware's greed will likely spawn direct competition at significantly lower prices.

I work for a small factory that makes basically all of our money by selling to the customers that the bigger producers of our product don’t want to sell to. Selling to small customers is absolutely profitable and absolutely something you can build a business doing.

@jubalbiggs4559

22 күн бұрын

My back of the napkin on revenue from SMBs walking out the door from VMWare this year is on the order of $700M. Yes, you absolutely can build a business on that, and people will. VMWare isn't the best technology for virtualization orchestration possible, it's just the industry standard (for now).

I didn’t have high hopes but… this is worse than what I anticipated. Short term, profits will likely go up but long term? This seems like a bad idea for the company.

@lhxperimental

3 ай бұрын

That's the Broadcom model - Acquire a company whose products have a big customer lock-in. Jack up the pricing by holding customers at gunpoint, make shitload of ransom money, use some of it for next acquisition. The idea is to quickly recover the acquisition cost, then make some more profit. After that you don't care even if the company shuts down.

@brodriguez11000

3 ай бұрын

@@lhxperimental "Quickly" in the face of all the money spent is the open question.

@mdbbox5660

3 ай бұрын

These people don't care about long term. They'll extract whatever value they can in the short term to make the acquisition worth it and then slowly abandon it. This happens with all sorts of brands/products that were once great and are now husks of their former selves after being bought by some soulless PE vampire.

@jolness1

3 ай бұрын

@@mdbbox5660 unfortunately that’s true of a vast majority of public companies. Broadcom is especially bad but they all focus on short term profits rather than longer term. Quarterly earnings and being punished by shareholders (or activist investors) will do that. I’m all for making money but I think the super short sightedness is bad news for everyone. Look at Boeing for example, that’s the root of this problem. One that people in to aviation analysts have been warning about since the 90s. It’s finally catching up, the inertia of the amazing, engineering led business kept it from declining quickly.

@ericneo2

3 ай бұрын

Yep all the colleges and universities will be dropping training for them which will have a pretty huge knock on effect going forward.

Proxmox and Hyper-v. Time to shine.

@BenTyger

3 ай бұрын

XCP-NG is a great replacement. It has XenServer legacy.

@elizabeth3280

3 ай бұрын

vmware forced hyper-v to be free and proxmox is not stable enough.for production just yet but epic for home use

@RonnieRedd

3 ай бұрын

Microsoft is dropping hyper-v

@elizabeth3280

3 ай бұрын

@@RonnieRedd it is 2024...droppimg an album or a feature can mean it both ways lol

@mitchellmnr

3 ай бұрын

@@elizabeth3280 what you mean proxmox not stable enough for prod? I work with several companies that use it for THOUSANDS of vms ... multi-dc scaling, live migrations etc etc .... It is pretty damn solid ... Do wanna try xcp-ng tho ... lol

I never thought I'd see the day when VMware was no longer THE virtualization platform.

I have been a VMware lifer, been a rabid fan since the betas of what later became "Workstation". Built countless environments for clients, got the certs, developed custom tools against their APIs, etc etc etc. Now I'm getting cozy with Proxmox VE and basically starting over from scratch. VMware is dead to me. I worry that the Workstation/Fusion products will also get butchered.

@kelownatechkid

3 ай бұрын

@@hellgate3677 This a joke? I've got petabytes of data in ceph for years, it's awesome. Super scalable, and amazingly resilient. And lmao no idea what you're referring to wrt debian, it's also rock-solid.

@foxale08

3 ай бұрын

@@hellgate3677 All things an influx of customers can fix.

@sillonbono3196

3 ай бұрын

I never bothered to learn the esxi ecosystem all too well, I instead spend a ton of time learning vanilla KVM and oh boy was I correct on my decision.

I was a Novell Engineer once. Don't despair if you are caught up in this, there a plenty of lateral learning opportunities you can take up. And never forget that as a grey beard you can always compare and contrast the old and the new..."Back when I was admin on a Vsphere...."

@PWingert1966

3 ай бұрын

I'm 58 and have started my exit countdown. 7 Years effective April 19th 2024!

@vladanseget

2 ай бұрын

I'm 57 and I'm already transitioning to other ventures@@PWingert1966

6 years on proxmox with ceph, and very happy with it.

@TheDillio187

3 ай бұрын

is Proxmox still only 8x5 support?

@quicksilverxt

3 ай бұрын

​@@TheDillio187why do you need more? There is a massive community that wil almost instantly help you. Also proxmox is much simpler way of doing things. So easier to debug.

@Darkk6969

3 ай бұрын

@@TheDillio187 This might change now with new subscriptions and more money to hire people.

@NecromancerGarage

3 ай бұрын

@@TheDillio187 Not if you buy through their support vendors.

@ericneo2

3 ай бұрын

Could you tell me how does Ceph handle RAM caching?

Remember they did the same thing just 3-4 years ago when AMD Epyc took off and started charging per core.

As a former engineer of VMware it saddens me to see what’s happening to the products and the customers. Glad I was laid off and don’t have to do this to them.

Yay! Like 1/3 of my job is VMware administration, guess Hyper-V and Proxmox are gonna be my friends

@whitebeartigtig

3 ай бұрын

recently started using proxmox myself, and it works so damn well. Surprised that more people aren't using it already.

@boneappletee6416

3 ай бұрын

We've fortunately already migrated most of our VMs to Proxmox starting in around 2020

@Watchserviceandrepair

3 ай бұрын

Bffs for life😂

I was a Novell admin in the 90s from 2.x to 5.x and NDS. I easily transitioned to Windows NT and BSD admin and onto Linux. System administration principles remain the same on different platforms.

I work at a school. We are going to move to Hyper-V because we already have Windows Datacenter.

We where greeted my job with a 3700% price increase.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Wow!

@ToniTechBoi

3 ай бұрын

What the actuak f***. Thats insane!

It's not just ESXi. If you're a big VMWare shop you're probably using NSX and all it's integrated features. Nightmare translating all those rules using tags, groups and names to another vendor ( especially if you've been using micro segmenting). Real shame, VMWare and it's staff have always been one to push the boundaries of tech. Now to become just a dinosaur.

@stevekristoff4365

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, THIS. Even more when you have those tags used by firewalls, and automation to sequester/redeploy based on incidents. We built out entire MSP hosting solutions based on this for many clients. All that effort/R&D costs to build out the infrastructure over the last several years is just gone as there is now no way to recoup the sunk cost. Heads need to see if doing the same thing again with another base layer is worth it or to just end that service.

We have been shifting from VMWare to Nutanix using the AHV hypervisor over the last 3 years - have dropped from 64 sockets of ESXi down to 6 and haven't looked back.

@MaxPower-11

3 ай бұрын

Glad to hear it’s working out for you. We’re in the same boat and about to start switching over to AHV.

@e1dz

3 ай бұрын

Isn’t the nutanix price is like $3000 per core?

@MaxPower-11

3 ай бұрын

@@e1dz Currently we have ESXi deployed on Nutanix hardware. Given Broadcom’s recent moves it sense for us to move to AHV since it comes bundled with the Nutanix hardware at no extra cost.

@TECHlabs-gs9en

3 ай бұрын

The biggest issue I saw with Nutanix was support....cost is a big factor, but that's the biggest to me.

@skiptdouglas

3 ай бұрын

I can guarantee switching hypervisors alone didn’t allow you to consolidate down from 64 sockets to 6 sockets. Nice fairytale thou

The large customers will find a way to switch. Slowly, they'll switch. Prior to retiring I was an IT architect at a Fortune 30 company when Oracle started tightening the licensing cost screws for Oracle DB. It did not take long to formulate a plan to start replacing Oracle DB with SQL Server. It started with the low hanging fruit and progressed from there. I think that Broadcom is shooting themselves between the eyes with respect to VMware. The large population stranded on the VMWare island is too juicy a target and the shark still start circling snatching customers away. It takes only one business with deep pocket that is willing to bear higher transition costs initially to show a path on the island.

@rileybaker8294

3 ай бұрын

I think you’re missing what their strategy is. They’re deliberately destroying the product. Doesn’t matter to them, they didn’t build it and they’ll make a profit destroying it. Then they’ll buy another product and make a profit destroying it too.

I work for a large MSP we have a large vmware estate and we've just been hit by a 5x price increase it's made the platform almost none viable now. So needless to say there's alot of calls and heads running around at the moment.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Someone just sent me a note they are seeing a 1000x increase :-/

@bumblingwelshman

3 ай бұрын

@@ServeTheHomeVideo it's crazy, there are alot of smaller hypervisor companies that are going to grow their user base very quickly over the next few months. We've rules out proxmox one for the limited support and it's not quite there on an enterprise scale. It's more looking we're going back to Hyper-V and that bit us hard first time around but it was on 2012r2.

@Darkk6969

3 ай бұрын

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Wow...Broadcom must not want those customers.

The sysadmins at my firm migrated to Hyper-V 2.5 years ago.

Former Nutanix employee here. It can run VMware or its own (included) KVM-based hypervisor, and has an excellent tool to migrate from VMware. The support is the best in the business by a mile. Put that on your radar if you have VMware and feel hopeless.

@makingtechsense126

3 ай бұрын

I think Nutanix is poised to take VMware's market share. They are likely the new king of virtualization.

@ichihaifu

3 ай бұрын

hell no

@mattd1188

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@vPeteWalker

3 ай бұрын

@@makingtechsense126 On-prem while there are competitors of course, no one can touch them for the overall package IMO.

@vPeteWalker

3 ай бұрын

@@mattd1188 My pleasure. I'm happy to answer as many questions as I can if anyone's interested. I don't work there anymore, and while I'm still a shareholder, I can give folks some honest guidance.

And those of us who can write a simple command line have been happy with KVM and XEN all along. Those who can, do. Those who can't, buy at overinflated prices.

I started working on VMWare GSX Server and my first corporate job included virtualization of a bunch of late 90's Compaq servers in 2007. I use it on my home server now because its something I know how to manage and control but looks like those days are numbered. Starting to look at QEMU and different front ends for it on both Linux and MacOS.

RIP VMware. You shall be missed. The first box I ever ran it on was built by me in 1999 which had dual Celerons via an ABIT BP6 mobo. The last company I worked for I virtualised their whole environment via VMware. It saved them a boatload of cash in multiple ways. As a result the business and infra grew and VMware made a tidy sum out of it. Broadcom is acting exactly as all Monopolies do. They need to be fined, I await their day in court since their behaviour is even worse than Microsoft in it's 'Embrace, Extend, Extinguish' period. There is also a parallel with Big Pharma jacking up prices on drugs after take-overs...

@barryraymond9004

3 ай бұрын

Pharma uses the regulatory powers and slowness of government to maintain their profits. Software companies don't have that luxury,

@lucabertagnolio9166

3 ай бұрын

Nope, no government intervention is *ever* needed in cases like this. Markets work perfectly well when governments don’t touch them. There are alternatives, and the market will define who will replace VMware. Not a judge, not a screaming Senator, not a demagogue House Representative. The least you involve politics and justice, the better the market will work.

@justincase9471

3 ай бұрын

Oh boy, I still have that motherboard with two 366Mhz Cellie's on the shelf. 😍

@Wahinies

3 ай бұрын

Abit and Celery, the best combo for quite a while. I cut my teeth on ESXi 5.2.

@AlexusMaximusDE

3 ай бұрын

@@lucabertagnolio9166 "Markets work perfectly well when governments don’t touch them." 🤡🤡

VMware being bought by Broadcomm has been wonderful for Red Hat. People are now in a rush to modernize and migrate off of VMware and get onto OpenShift now that OpenShift Virtualization is robust. Obviously not a one for one replacement.

@Wahinies

3 ай бұрын

RedHat post IBM is quite evil as well, just not to the degree of Broadcom and Oracle but that is like jumping out of the fire and into a frying pan.

@brodriguez11000

3 ай бұрын

And then there was that RH situation not that long ago. So we'll see.

@FlexibleToast

3 ай бұрын

@@brodriguez11000 that Red Hat "issue" was mostly just FUD and way overblown.

@kennethbudts105

3 ай бұрын

​@FlexibleToast no it wasn't, IBM is still a greedy corporation that wouldn't bat an eye to fuck over their customers. And besides customers they also wouldn't bat an eye to fuck over open source community, which they already did

@FlexibleToast

3 ай бұрын

@kennethbudts105 yes it was, and it had nothing to do with IBM. You're spreading more FUD.

This is one of the best takes on the situation I’ve come across. Thank you for sharing your insights.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! Much appreciated.

Thanks for supporting the little IT people. Appreciate your report. No more broadcom if I can help it.

Our quote for the new license structure was a third more than it was last year. And I consider us lucky. We will use this next year to evaluate new options. So far XCP-ng is looking good.

@thegrossmeyer

3 ай бұрын

XCP-ng is currently the top of my list to evaluate, Proxmox is second... Proxmox has a similar "look and feel" to vCenter though, so that might give it some points... We are a big SAP shop so we have a lot of testing to vet out if we move away from VMware. OpenShift Virtualization is probably the third option we'll consider...

I work for a non-profit organisation that have been a VMware shop since 2005. We have a small environment consisting of 2x 3-host clusters using Essentials Plus and a 5-host Horizon VDI cluster. We used to receive reduced pricing due to being non-profit but now we are really concerned about what our renewal pricing is going to be under the new model. Switching to another platform might be what we have to do. For those in similar situations I would strongly recommend testing out other platforms and getting familiar with them, even if you have old hardware that you can run in your organisation to help better prepare for any transition.

I didn't abandon Vmware, Broadcom abandoned me, cancelling VMUG subscription...

@TD_YT066

3 ай бұрын

Same

Everyone should have a plan B for software in case of an unforeseen event like this. Locking yourself to a specific hardware or software can be a fatal mistake

@briandeschene8424

3 ай бұрын

I worked in plastics manufacturing and we had a new customer who kept ordering increasingly larger amounts of one specific product. Our owners loved it. The more we made of just one product, the easier and cheaper it became to order raw materials, parts, schedule shifts, do maintenance, etc. Eventually our facility effectively made nothing else - just this one product for one customer. Until the day all the orders stopped coming in. The place was bankrupt and closed within a year. Different story than yours but same moral: DO NOT put all your eggs in one basket!

@TheJensss

3 ай бұрын

@@briandeschene8424 Unfortunate story but a great example

@akostadinov

3 ай бұрын

People can't value Open Source before being bitten in their a**

Great video! The subscription model pushed me away. I used to use a lot of Adobe products. Since they became aggressive - left them - they have very little to no value for me anymore. I moved to FOSS products. What you are outlining in the video prevents me from even considering other systems that are closed source. While I do use closed source (professionally) it is because I do not pay for it - I can't afford it for personal use.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Good data point.

@brodriguez11000

3 ай бұрын

@@ServeTheHomeVideo "cost passing" is a part of business. In the VMware case however it's so big few can do that and remain competitive.

@offspringfan89

3 ай бұрын

Had to do the same with Autodesk and move from AutoCAD to FreeCAD and LibreCAD, they're good enough for my needs.

Added side note, as a small msp who has not built my business in VMware, but has many clients using it .. I've been using VMware since the mid-2000s. I know it inside now. With the current pricing I'm being forced to switch to something that I don't have experience in. This is going to be a nightmare for support.

@danielqian8899

3 ай бұрын

Isn't that an opportunity for your business to generate more revenue based on the extra services needed?

@brodriguez11000

3 ай бұрын

@@danielqian8899 As well as continued education.

Man what a hell of a story. Thank you for bringing to us and explaining it in an awesome way.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Thanks. I appreciate this as I was pretty nervous about this one.

Thank you for serving the home

Seen from a bank (issuer of debt): Sales (transfer of ownership) are not equitable, whereas subscriptions (license rent from ownership) are. Large enterprise customers have the ability to hedge this liability towards their own assets, transferring it between subsidiaries, lowering tax. This whole mechanism of financialization is favourable for publicly traded companies - never mind ‘people’… 😜

It will drive clients to other virtualisation options... hopefully those extra customers/cash will drive new features and stimulate some much needed competition in this market 🙏

@Watchserviceandrepair

3 ай бұрын

Proxmox

I'm an end user, disabled and on a budget, these subscription based models have been pushing me towards Linux for years now. With the learning curve decreasing and the support options increasing, open source software stands to make big gains. I'm willing to pay for support, but I'm not willing to be extorted.

No perpetual license? Sweet now there's no ethical barrier to pirating.

@k.chriscaldwell4141

3 ай бұрын

👍

This last 18 months has been one long gut punch to me. I've been playing with VMware for 15 years now. Yea, it was pricey, but it's a good product. Now, the way things look, it's almost at parity with bare metal for costs, at least in the VDI space. I shouldn't whine too much. It's just a case of, "Things change, I better change too." I just hate how it was absolutely unnecessary. It's not a "revolutionary improvement," it's greed making a great thing suck.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

I somewhat wonder if we are going to get a model with small PCs for data center managed physical desktop infrastructure. I think there is a business model there.

@mundane_noodle

3 ай бұрын

HP had the CDI Moonshot solution. Too bad they can never hold on. Moonshot was this dense compute platform and one cartridge had four AMD APU’s. You managed the whole thing with Citrix but no virtualization. Everyone got a dedicated system with low end GPU. Think 140 or so laptops in a 4 u chassis

CEO has to make line go up.

There was a time when I expected VMWare to acquire Broadcom, not the other way around...

The business I work for is very CapEx friendly. We bought a vSAN cluster with 5 years of support up front for our colo in 2022. We had planned to slowly convert branch locations with standalone Hyper-V hosts to small vSAN clusters using their ROBO licenses. We're now deploying a Nutanix ROBO cluster at one of our locations.

As a mainframe admin myself, I dare to say we have more future than our VMware engineer peers. All those I know are already looking for Azure certs (including Hyper-V) to keep on the virtualization realm, while others are looking on early retirement.

@wolfgangpreier9160

3 ай бұрын

Azure costs even more than VMWare.

@hquest

3 ай бұрын

@@wolfgangpreier9160 Azure has global reach, won't lock us behind an absurd core count (which we would qualify as a Pinnacle anyway, were we a provider) and we can always and easily repatriate our VMs back to on-premises at any of our 6 global datacenters, leaving just critical Internet facing systems on the cloud, significantly reducing our cloud costs. Therefore, Azure doesn't necessarily cost more than VMWare if you know how to use the full scope of solution. As I alluded above, keyword "Hyper-V".

@pixlhound

3 ай бұрын

@@wolfgangpreier9160 depending on what you are using it for, it certainly can, but it doesn't always, - and may not do going forward looking at the new pricing structure. I think the big difference with Azure though is that it ties in (about as well as anything Microsoft does I suppose) with the rest of the their ecosystem.

@damiendye6623

3 ай бұрын

Not really with azure stack, it's on prem like VMware

@wolfgangpreier9160

3 ай бұрын

@@damiendye6623 And costs 36,70 Euros per Core. But you can save on the Windows Licenses - then it becomes a bit cheaper than Narrowthink/Broadcom VM.

Yes the new licensing really sucks, renewal pricing is crazy, will definitely evaluating migration options

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Mind sharing what % increase you are seeing for other folks who may be in a similar boat?

@Nettechnologist

3 ай бұрын

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Since now our perpetual licensing is not going to be able to get credited and our expansion budgeted plans now having to go to VCF as our only choice, the initial year being a bit cheaper but our 3yr support plan is now 50% higher. And it still not clear what happens to the product if not renewed timely.

Could you imagine being so greedy that the impact of your decisions on millions of people means absolutely nothing to you.

We've suffered predatory licence audits and very ugly renewal discussions with VMware in the last year (a 1000 workload organisation). I remember when VMware were a good company to deal with. Those days are long gone and I'm always looking for a viable way off the platform.

@jean-francoisaubry

3 ай бұрын

proxmox seem the way to go

Short sighted, I started experimenting on VM esxi. I don't use it because its too commercial but having free trial is what lands you customers in the future.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Totally agreed.

I can tell you where the money is going: Tan Hock Eng is a Malaysian-born Chinese-American business executive. He is the CEO of Broadcom Inc. He was the highest-earning CEO in the US in 2017, earning US$103.2 million that year. Tan's 2017 package was valued at $103.2 million. While that is a massive number, it includes a new stock grant valued at $98.3 million that will pay out over a period of several years only if Broadcom meets certain total shareholder return performance thresholds. (A spokeswoman for Broadcom said in an emailed statement that "Mr. Tan's compensation package is clearly aligned with and designed to drive sustained shareholder value," noting the company has had a total shareholder return of more than 680 percent under Tan's leadership over the past five years.)

@FJB-bl8xg

3 ай бұрын

It's Hock Tan. Tan is great. $AVGO to the moon. When Tan steps down time to sell $AVGO shares.

I am not a business owner, but have always run vmware in my home lab. Thankfully, prior to the broadcom buyout, I decided I wanted to go in another direction. Thankfully, there are so many options out there.

I work for a smaller vmware cloud verified provider. Currently what will likely happen is , even if we do switch to something like nutanix, which is still up in the air right now, a large chunk of our cloud customers is gonna leave, which will likely lead to me being let go. It is how it is. Sucks but we gotta move forward

@guytech7310

3 ай бұрын

offer both options: Nutanix & vmware, just increase the costs for vmware appropriately. At least it might buy you some time.

@G00glieS

3 ай бұрын

Last time I've checked the prices for vmw and ntnx (it was 2021 I believe) and the prices were around the same. But ntnx has a much lower TCO, it just works and you don't have to spend time on maintenance. The upgrade of the whole cluster is literally done via a few clicks in the GUI.

I'm sure the price rises will be steep, but I can't really see the difference between the annual support and maintenance we currently pay and a "subscription". The support and maintenance allows us to use new versions regardless of the fact that our original perpetual licences for esxi/vcenter were bought in 2010.

@Ghandacity

3 ай бұрын

Overall, you're right in that "subscription" vs "Purchase + support" for an enterprise doesn't have to be very different. The biggest difference, in most cases, is that if you decide to drop support, you can still use the product, presumably while migrating off. Without support, you could relegate that to non-production use, and it's still yours. As for the freak outs, customers are getting quoted for a whole wide range of multipliers over their existing support. I've heard anywhere from 1.3x to 25x. There have to be some extraordinary circumstances in those high edge cases, but I can't say I haven't at least heard it. So, like all things, especially if you're using EP, maybe with some Aria add-ons, you might not be in terrible shape. Assuming you're in a good negotiating position with whoever is doing the licensing, great. If you're using NSX, that'll likely be a hit, since you'll be pushed to VCF, especially with the distributed and gateway firewalling being add-ons.

@radman8321

3 ай бұрын

@@Ghandacity I'm hopeful that we may be OK. We didn't go in for convergence so we just have vcenter & esxi. We have enterprise plus licences that I think we can now move down to standard since the implementation of an active-active metro node SAN solution, although I haven't looked too closely into that yet as we took up a multi year support agreement. As I understand it no support means no security patches, which would rule it out even for non production use in our environment.

Finally a video covering this painful subject. Customers/Datacentres using the VCSP program which is metered in vRAM usage not cores are also typically using the vCF stack of vSphere/vCenter/NSX-T and possibly Cloud Director, moving away from all of that in 90 days or so is impossible (it's not as if you can just re-install a new Hypervisor on the same tin you've already invested in). Maybe this week we'll know more about how smaller outfits can purchase licences through the aggregators, but I'm betting we'll lose direct GSS support with VMware if we do. What a complete nightmare. There is no way all of these customers are simply going to switch off their VMware estates come 31st March.

@woobeforethesun

3 ай бұрын

It’s an impossible job. The obvious outcome is some businesses will risk becoming “non compliant”, as they work to migrate away.

@zbigniewmalec4816

3 ай бұрын

It took years to go from nsxv to nsxt. Expecting anyone will be able to move out at such short notice - madness.

As someone who works at a company that has tons of VMware environments, Broadcom has been a nightmare. Now, between scrambling to find a replacement due to those high VMware costs, I now see years of training, experience, and certifications going down the drain. It really sucks.

I always love it when they put the least technical people (the bean counters) in charge of a tech product company.

Awh that's cute. They're doing some corporate spring cleaning. Broadcom: We only want the best customers.

@vincei4252

3 ай бұрын

soooo cute! 🤩🤩🤩😊😊

@shadowtheimpure

3 ай бұрын

Broadcom: We only want the high margin customers Fixed that for you mate.

@marcogenovesi8570

3 ай бұрын

@@shadowtheimpure high margin customers are the best customers, that's obvious

@nicholasvinen

3 ай бұрын

Their appeal is becoming more selective.

And Unraid is going with yearly licenses. With proprietary software, you're always a hostage.

@Darkk6969

3 ай бұрын

TrueNAS is free and open source alternative.

Me: man, EA is a pretty awful company... Oracle: hold my beer... Broadcom: hold my keg...

We switch to xcp-ng about 8 years ago. Its just dead easy for locations that cant afford many servers, etc, but still need a virtualized environment.

I never liked VMware's pricing models. I always found their biggest fans were people that run enterprise gear and lost all sense of curiosity and shifted the support to VMware. They are now caught with their pants down having to learn how to migrate this stuff.

The subscription model has been one of the greatest suppressors of creativity I've seen. They no longer have a strong motivation to innovate, you're locked in and they know it. In fact, the subscription model encourages stagnation as with a subscription service I DON'T want my software changing (beyond some bug fixes now and then perhaps). I want the software I -bought- subscribed to 5 years ago to look and function identically today, just like it would had I bought a perpetual license.

@jonathanbuzzard1376

3 ай бұрын

That would suck in the case of VMware as vCenter used Flash 😱

@muhdiversity7409

3 ай бұрын

@@jonathanbuzzard1376 They've fired more than 50% of the staff. Not sure who's expecting any innovation from Broadcom.

This brings JOY to my ears. I had a client I tried to get to upgrade their VMware servers before they went subscription last year. They totally blew me off and now have decided they are ready to upgrade. 😂😂

The Rancher guys couldn't ask for a better advertisement for Harvester if they tried. Problem is government is crazy tied to VMware, and crazy slow at changing.

@TheWebstaff

2 ай бұрын

So they are the cow they are looking too milk then.

Yep, we are on a "deal" for the next bit with a company mandate to be off VMware and on AWS by the end onf 2025. ~3,400 VMs, ~100 hosts, ~4200 cores, ~77TB of RAM. Plus storage arrays and all the fun that goes with them.

@DerekPeldo

3 ай бұрын

Are you expected to see a cost savings by going to AWS or was that decision made just to avoid giving broadcom any more money? I would expect your AWS costs to be in line with broadcoms new pricing model (depending on load), no?

@iimbt11

3 ай бұрын

You costs will ALOT more than on prem vmware.. I already went down this road a few times.. If you cant shrink your workload when your not using it... probably better goto nutanix or something else..

@gcs8

3 ай бұрын

@@DerekPeldo leadership decisions made over a year ago, I suspect it will be a money pit for a lower quality product.

@gcs8

3 ай бұрын

@@iimbt11 not an option, orders from the top.

@iimbt11

3 ай бұрын

@@gcs8 yep been there too :) ... I remember about 6 months later the CFO started really getting concerned when the expense started to skyrocket.. was funny when you showed them there was nothing they can do about.. worked with several companies since then that knew how to navigate the cloud, where you should goto cloud and when you shouldn't.. at least with your own infrastructure you can run it into the ground and depreciate the cost... then buy new...

I work for a small University and we run a VMware environment of 12hosts/24CPUs. Going from Perpetual support to subscriptions will be 10x+ yearly cost increase. We run a bunch of "boxed" software that has to run on top of Windows so shifting to something like containers isn't an option. Going IaaS will be just as big of a price increase.

@grahamstewart79

3 ай бұрын

Why not hyper-V if you are mostly running windows?

@pablosartor6715

3 ай бұрын

Proxmox is the answer.

@ericneo2

3 ай бұрын

Your setup will work fine with Proxmox, you just create Windows VMs or Windows Server VMs inside of Proxmox. Shutdown the VM on your current system, run a converter on the virtual disk, copy it to Proxmox and attach it to a VM as a drive or direct connect network storage to either Proxmox and pass it up or side connect it to the Windows Server VM inside of Proxmox.

We're currently setting up virtual test control computers fpr a German OEM (the one with rings) with VMWare ESXI and had for example issues with the VM host crashing when were runnung a specific application on a VM client instance. no one of VMware cared. And now it looks like we soon need to switch

Is this something affecting tiny Essentials+ customers? I got a renew quote early and it was the same to the penny. Not sure if the rep just quoted the wrong item or the increases didn't show up yet.

@kelownatechkid

3 ай бұрын

You probably just got in under the wire?

This makes it practically inaccessible for beginners to learn VMWare to use in the real world. It is a similar situation for CAD/CAM software.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Totally true, but I bought a copy of Solidworks education edition when I was in law school.

@jonathanbuzzard1376

3 ай бұрын

@@ServeTheHomeVideo The best example I can think of is S-Plus, which was killed off by R. In 2007 they even added extensions to make it more compatible with R, and the last stable release was 13 years ago. R came about because S-Plus was too expensive to use in University classes. One imagines in another 10 years what FreeCAD and KiCad are going to do in their respective markets.

@duduoson1306

3 ай бұрын

I thought there were no changes to VMUG benefits… so if you’re a beginner that wants to learn you get all the licensing you need for $200/year. Not that I’d recommend VMware anymore after all this.

@Darkk6969

3 ай бұрын

@@duduoson1306 There is no telling if that will be around in the future.

@jttech44

3 ай бұрын

At least CAD/CAM software is easy to... um.... you know, acquire

Yeah, let’s fight the cloud by making cloud the cheaper option!

@foxale08

3 ай бұрын

It probably isn't for the people this hits hardest. Going to take time to be apparent though.

Where I work increasing subscription costs have been a wake up call. We have consistently been planning to migrate on-premise to the cloud and year on year it is looking less likely. It just does not make sense to triple or quadruple prices (for the same raw computer power) just for some fancier GUI and no on-hands work. It only makes sense if you are redeveloping the product 100% to the cloud and even then you are at the whim of super corporations to just hike up prices whenever they want.

I'm thinking that a LOT of folks are going to be interested in VxLANs directly on the switches (VTEP) for an OS-independent overlay network. That way they have a path to move off of VMware, without getting locked into another hyperviser specific overlay.

@thegrossmeyer

3 ай бұрын

There are a lot of good reasons to use VXLAN anyway, and that is one of the main things I'm evaluating as I look closer at XCP-ng and Proxmox.

We've already switched our clients from VMWare to VirtualBox.

We switched by luck away from this.

so what do you recommend as a good alternative?

Thanks for another great video, just noticed you got a cool looking screw driver set and stand in the background. Can you share what brand it is and where to buy one? I been looking for a similar setup. thanks.