I only listen to cassette tapes that are at least 14 years and 3 months old on my car radio that I remove from the car each night so I can bring my music with me.

@MicTheSnare

6 жыл бұрын

How have I never thought to do that

@coffeedude

4 жыл бұрын

The patrician way

@ssmith6697

4 жыл бұрын

Ok

@paulgriffiths8488

3 жыл бұрын

I want a cassette player in my car

@myronhelton4441

2 жыл бұрын

@@MicTheSnare I am going to prove to your ears that lps make cds sound like garbage. Click the first link to listen to lp. Click second link to listen to garbage cd. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dJ583Nlwg7yad7w.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/l5p-qaapc7bYerw.html ...

the short answer is: it depends on your taste. the scientific answer is: digital. the philosophical answer is: enjoy the music.

@Prasen1729

3 ай бұрын

Are you out of your mind ? Are you a scientist ? seems no. The scientific answer is analogic, but it is harder to record and reproduce analogic sound, more expensive, so we opted for digital, we sacrificed the sound quality.

@bentobarreirinhas5702

3 ай бұрын

@@Prasen1729 you think being stupid and insulting is going to improve your answer? Go your way sore looser.

If I like an artist so much, I would get the vinyl and the cd. Just to have the physical connection to the music. Streaming is most convenient but I would never have connection to the music, CD and vinyl are both the best as we can placed it, sit back, kick back and relax.

I really wanted Eiffel 65 to start blasting out of the vinyl at 5:17

CD is an insanely underappreciated format.

@endezeichengrimm

5 жыл бұрын

People get their video games on essentially CD's too (I know they are blu rays and DVDs, but still a form of CD)

@V-grandraccoon

4 жыл бұрын

It’s kind of the middle child. It’s physical like vinyl but not with as nice of packaging.

@tlytle3732

4 жыл бұрын

Standard cds suck! It’s compressed as shit! Inferior to vinyl and lossless audio

@coffeedude

4 жыл бұрын

@@endezeichengrimm Not really, it's all mostly digital rn. I still like physical formats tho

@endezeichengrimm

4 жыл бұрын

@@tlytle3732 CD audio is not compressed, you dipshit

I feel like Vinyl brings out bass better for Jazz then anything else. Plus it's just fun to take out the needle, place it on the groove, grab a cup of Black coffee kick back and vibe out. There's something just "realer" about listening to music on a record. You also didn't talk about the best part of owning vinyl, the art. Those big beautiful covers are just so nice to look at.

@mafi211

8 ай бұрын

Bass better on vinyl? You got to be drunk or just stupid

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if recording companies started the rumour that analog music sounds better so they could get $35 every time someone buys an album instead of $5 on iTunes, I still collect records tho lol

@johnmadison3472

2 жыл бұрын

Hasn't that kinda happened already?

I like how in-depth you go you can tell you really love music as I do you my friend got a new subscriber!

@bit_chaz-corner2618

5 жыл бұрын

Btw I just got an original abbey road album( found it at an auction) and that’s why I’m buying a record player for the first time.. well that and I’m super into hardcore music and all the bands are putting out 7’s now lol

@MicTheSnare

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for subscribing! And nice find, I hope you enjoy those records

Most of us who were buying and listening to prerecorded music in the 1980s were thrilled to embrace the CD format. We bought CD's and recorded them to cassettes for the pleasure of listening to a decent quality copy in our cars. Then as in-dash CD players became affordable cassettes became historical artifacts. (That's sad because I really miss my Techinics cassette deck). Then in 2004 I hopped on the streaming train (Rhapsody). As Spotify became the dominant service I migrated over to them. Sometimes when the audio quality on Spotify is lacking on a certain album I'll find a better sounding version on another service. And yes, I listen to full albums on Spotify. I still own a turntable and even replaced the cartridge last year. But it's been sitting on the shelf all year feeling neglected. Music is the main thing. Enjoy it in whatever format works best for you.

I grew up on tapes and CDs. I just recently got another turntable after strictly streaming and playing MP3s for years. I immediately noticed how much more natural and lively music sounds on vinyl. Vinyl may not be better on paper, and it does have it’s disadvantages, but to my ears it sounds better.

@gptjokes814

6 ай бұрын

Completely agreed. Digital is better and more pure sound..but I like sound of a vinyl - whatever it is that vinyl is producing, distortion or not.

I like Vinyl because it makes me a better listener of music. I put on headphones plugged into my amp and I become an active listener. I listen to digital music when I want background music and I'm not really paying attention to it.

@theaarongarcia

3 жыл бұрын

I also really enjoy the art work of LP jackets.

@beasttowers392

2 жыл бұрын

Better listener hahaha

@mikechivy

2 жыл бұрын

Cringe. I have a Rega P10 and its unlistenable with headphones. Cant Imagine needing a better setup. Even my best vinyl is too distracting due to background noise. Vinyl is only good on speakers and you're only lying to yourself saying otherwise.

I collect vinyl records and listen to them frequently, I also collect CD’s and tapes basically because I find that it helps me listen to an entire project! With streaming, I have adhd and need to change songs over and over again! The option to do so makes me prefer the physical medium and in particular tapes and vinyl!

@runescaper1333

3 жыл бұрын

Same. Sometimes I can't get any work done while listening to spotify due to constant song skipping 😁

@jables1able

3 жыл бұрын

@@runescaper1333 yeah that too! It’s really hard to concentrate. Steaming services are great for a car trip or to have everything conveniently! I do lots of yard work and listen to music in my headphones through streaming. It totally has its place.

This is great. You're an excellent host, very articulate and clearly incredibly well researched. Bravo!

What makes music sound good is not the format but rather the production of the music and the equipment you play it on like you said. I will note about you liking CDs at the end though, they are in a weird place for me. Either I want the convenience of digital and stream or I want the physical and engaging quality experience of my records and choose those. CDs are in the middle ground which gives me neither of the desired aspects completely. The only time I do buy them is when there is no physical vinyl of music I like. Great video though, earned my sub ;^)

@MicTheSnare

5 жыл бұрын

That's interesting, because that same middle ground is why I like CDs so much. You have the benefits of physicality (artwork, liner notes, actually holding it), plus the benefits of convenience (portability, conversion to WAVs or mp3s). I appreciate your perspective, though; the way CDs occupy the middle ground (and how they incorporate aspects of physical and digital) may be perfect for some and inferior for others. Thanks for commenting and subbing!

@Spazza42

3 жыл бұрын

I get the CD issue, but at the time it was a leap forward and the only realistic way to take your music with you. It was a perfect format for portability, it's just it was made redundant before it had a chance. The rise of the internet and computing gave us free, easy access to music and mp3 compression. As soon as CD players became truly portable, MP3 players were a thing and the iPod had been released. There's no competition in terms of quality though, 16bit lossless will always been superior to MP3 but convenience sells. Just look around at things now, everything is offered as a streaming subscription. You don't own anything other than an account that grants you access until you stop paying. Even digital downloads suffer from the *own* it problem. Sure you "bought" an album that's tied to your account, but you're still at the mercy of the provider keeping that file available online for you to red-download should you ever need to. Of course you can back things up on hard drives or USBs but storage dies eventually and when you lose it, it's gone. The same ridiculous issue is happening with bluetooth audio at the moment. There are loads of "HiRes" Music sites and streaming services, yet smartphones don't even come with a headphone jack anymore. People are spending hundreds of £'s on Hi-Res music and "hi-fidelity" headphones (I'm looking at you, AirPods "Max") yet all their music is being crunched to 300kb/s. Even Sony's LDAC bluetooth codec only gets to 900kb/s. A wired connection is far superior. Period. For reference, CD's 16bit is roughly 1,400kb/s. 24bit "HiRes" audio is AT LEAST 2,300kb/s but usually 4,600kb/s or higher.

i liked that line about how imperfections in your vinyl making the record a one of a kind piece. never thought about that before.

Vinyl is like film photography of music.

I really like the nuances like the static and such when listening the vinyl. Gives my music a different sound. And it’s fun using the player and setting things up along with Trying different cartridges. And it just gives a nice aesthetic to your sound set up and you have nice artwork to have around lmao.

Excellent video! One of the best I have watched in the subject

Nice to see a video of this topic! I've a big passion for collecting Vinyls. The feeling of holding your music in hand and can handle it however you want is incredible for me. So in my way mixing with vinyl is a great way to work with my vinylcollection. In addition I love to see spinning vinyls. :-)

I love CDs and vinyl myself. CDs are great to get a lot of an artist's work cheaply and in a perfect hi res format, while vinyl is great to have for your favorite albums so you can sit down and enjoy them in a different format from time to time. Both have their advantages, I love both!

I prefer CDs. I miss the experience of going into a store. Listening to a variety before making my purchase.

Man, love This channel. Found it today

Thank you, this thoroughly answered my questions!

Hey man great vid! You're very concise with your points, explained how digital and vinyl work, and went into the subjective differences based on personal preference. I also appreciate the lighthearted jokes. Couldn't have asked for a better video to answer this question. Thanks!

@MicTheSnare

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!!!

Excellent explanation of cd vs vinyl

I would say the goal of recorded music is for other people to hear it, "it" being what you hear. Therefore, whatever more accurately transmits that information would accomplish that task better, if only on an infinitesimal level. Now the goal of LISTENING to music is for enjoyment, and if you enjoy digital music, than there truly is nothing better about vinyl vs digital in that regard. However, considering the basic difference in analog vs digital, it beseeches me to say that the most accurate was of recording music that we've discovered is neither vinyl nor cd, but 2 inch wide tape, which is the master that a vinyl is recorded from. To my knowledge, nothing truly is a more accurate representation of recorded music and therefore accomplishes the point of recording music the best

I bought some albums on vinyl that were remastered and rereleased for their anniversary. I just treated myself to a turntable last week for my birthday. A halfway decent one. Not real high end, but not cheap. My receiver was an older receiver with true phono support. The albums I listened to were ones I originally listened to on vinyl when they were released, and have only listened to on CDs since the 80s when I got my CD player and abandoned vinyl. I was wowed by the sound. Almost all of these comparisons between vinyl and CDs I see on youtube lack one thing.... someone actually listening to the two and saying which one they enjoy more. What I've found is that depending on the music you are listening to, vinyl can have a more lifelike sound than CDs. There's a subtle difference, but it's an amazing difference. It's the same reason HD discs I have sound better than CDs, even though "engineers" say that there should be no discernible difference. I hear a difference and like it.

@bkkersey93

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes there's no difference, and sometimes one sounds mildly "better" than the other.

@bobcarn

3 жыл бұрын

@@bkkersey93 In retrospect, I wouldn't say they sound "better", just... different. There's definitely a sort of "warmth" or something that's more apparent. They have a different quality that can be appreciated in a different way. It's a very nice experience.

@KRAZEEIZATION

2 жыл бұрын

CD digital audio is superior in quality to vinyl but vinyl sounds nicer…sometimes!

You broke this down perfectly. I think it will always come down to the listener’s preference in the end. And I believe in the rule that a quality listening experience doesn’t always equate to convenience.

For me, both are very practical for certain objectives. (Vinyl) Records, to me, are best for sound, while CDs are best for portability. I have multiple albums in my collection that are on both formats, giving me more ways to listen to them, whether that's staying at home or going on a car trip. Digital files of those albums are things I don't have in my collection, but I don't think buying Sgt. Peppers on iTunes would be as different as the CD. My methods for listening to these albums might be very unpractical to some, but it's for the fun of it. Both formats are great in their own ways.

Dude you literally explain things better then my music prof

@scottziegler4238

3 жыл бұрын

I've spent a lot of time getting advanced degrees, and most professors can't teach for shit.

Thank you! Like your way of dealing with subject, and inferring knowledge with humor. Yeah it was great with a blunt 👌 😌

I like vinyl for how it forces you to engage with the record in the order it was intended, with Dark Side of the Moon being where I (and presumably a lot of people) realised this. But to give another example, the 4-disc 45rpm 10-inch box set of Thundercat's "Drunk" also has you being more proactive with changing the sides and discs over, which I think helps with familiarising yourself with the album's layout. Well, that and the packaging is amazing.

@vaughntonkin539

Жыл бұрын

I have that box set and DTSOM

I own both CD and Vinyl and I prefer vinyl for it's very nice and personal sound. I love putting on a record like 'Rumours' by Fleetwood Mac and just enjoying the nice and personal sound it has that I feel I won't enjoy as much on cd and digital. But, this video has brought up a lot of points that makes for a good arguement. You deserve a lot more attention from the quality of this video alone. Keep up the good work!

@MicTheSnare

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! And quality choice with 'Rumours' - what a classic!

@Taken4Granted_

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, indeed!

@guy1900763

4 жыл бұрын

Nicolas Rogers The CD version of rumours kills the vinyl.I had both,sold the vinyl to some sucker for a reasonable profit.

CD's are my favorite format. So underrated. Laser discs are movies on vinyl actually. It didn't last long, though.

@filipbarski6990

4 жыл бұрын

Devin McCreery CED’s VHD’s and TED’s better fit the definition of movies on vinyl

@viarnay

3 жыл бұрын

CD's suck, always sucked

@scottziegler4238

3 жыл бұрын

I've never heard anything as stupid as "laser discs are movies on vinyl." If anything, they're closer to massive, analogue DVDs. CEDs are movies on vinyl.

@patrickc8007

3 жыл бұрын

@@viarnay Why?

@viarnay

3 жыл бұрын

@@patrickc8007 they get rotten and you can scratch them very easily

I only own one vinyl record, a copy of Carrie & Lowell that I picked up at a bookstore and that I use as a wall decoration. I love that album...but I’ve already listened to it so much on CD.

I recently got rid of all of my records…in the weeks leading up to that I tried so hard to convince myself that digital was going to be just as good if not better than vinyl. In some cases I found digital to be equal to vinyl but mostly I preferred the vinyl. The ultimate thing is the quality of the recording and the mastering. I find that generally vinyl gets a little more effort put into the mastering which makes it sound better. But if the same mastering was done on both the vinyl and cd versions it would be hard to choose.

Mastering is the important point here. The worst sounding disc I have is a CD, the best sounding disc I have is a CD. So it is the capturing and mastering of the sound. But I prefer no surface noise and no inner grove distortion, very noticeable in, for example, Yes's Close to the edge. I could finally listen to the title track without that distortion when it was transferred to CD.

As a recording artist who has a degree of Jazz Piano and has been producing music since the age of Amiga 500 on the computers ,seeing this discussion still amazes me. I am a big tech and science nerd as well. And I believe in the scientific method of experimenting observing coming up with a hypothesis at the end to be tested also by others to see the final conclusive result. The technical facts are there and you can not argue with them. A vinyl could never sound better if the main value we compare is how real does it sound to the real thing which is the mastered tape or computer file we have at the studio. That is if we use the same particular system to test both medium formats. Nostalgia factor and the listening rituals are different subjects and they are irrelevant if the main discussion here is the quality of the audio . Nothing can sound better with less dynamic and separation range on the same system. If somebody claims that, either they have a bias towards that particular style of sound with crackles and distortion or they are fooled by the placebo effect . Because a person could prefer and say it sounds better knowing that crackling sounds and sound peaks happen only on a Vinyl Format just to justify their belief system even on a blindfold test. I mean, come on guys! a technology which the recording was invented on can not surpass 160 years of advancements on recording and listening technology . Here you can hear the first ever recorded thing 1860 ... kzread.info/dash/bejne/aYql2NNmlpC7pLg.html

I grew up on records and tapes and the cd was a godsend. The biggest problem I have with both is the wear and tear they go through. They we such a pain to keep from getting either damaged or completely destroyed. I especially hated navigating through the tracks just to find the song that I like. I go and on. I just love now how any music that I wish to listen to is just a click away and there is no wear and tear on anything. I have tons of records and tapes that great for show for the grandkids they are so amused at the things we did for entertainment

Great video!!!!!

My own opinion: There is more warmth in vinyl records; The excitement is there because vinyl brought back the days when I used to go to record bars and buy new released albums of my favorite artists and not just downloading it from the net; They are so sensitive and requires discipline because you need to make sure that the groove is clean, you should be gentle when you manually drop the needle (and I like to do it myself), and even removing it from the sleeve requires care. So with that being said, it teaches self-discipline and you are beginning to love music the way it should be because of these rituals; And I already experienced having cassette tapes, CDs, and downloading songs from the net. Vinyl format is new to me and I want to try it. It's probably the last format that I would embrace. I mean I can see myself from the near future as an old man sitting in my backyard with a cup of coffee, my vintage console stereo set up on my side listening to the vinyl records which I have collected during my younger days.

I'm a huge collector of both vinyl and CD. Sometimes I have an album on both or even multiple times if a special edition or remaster releases later. I just want to have the best available version I can, and too much of what I own can't be gotten easily on streaming or even digital formats (until I rip the CD, of course).

I have a big collection of cds and vinyl. They're both great in their own ways.

7:26 The answer is a resounding "objectively, yes". 7:45 Right, it means SO much to me that the crackles and pops I hear from my vinyl are MY crackles and pops and no one else's. Sure.

Uhh this was well written. Subscribed.

I feel that CDs sound better but I love both formats and I enjoy both of them and that's my humble opinion

Your summary at the end hits it perfectly. For example, I went to a concert last night and the singer announced that he had worked on a project that he never released, but that there were copies available at the merch booth. I walked over and discovered that there were only vinyl records available, and no CDs. When I got to the front of the line, there were a bunch of records available, but there also happened to be ONE signed vinyl. Even though I don't own a record player (yet), I bought it for $100 to support one of my favorite bands. This is how I found your channel. Anyhoo.. Do you have a recommended listening setup for a record player + speakers? Since this is my first record, I'm not trying to break the bank, but do plan on buying more over time.

It's like comparing a black and white TV to a widescreen OLED TV

I like cds better for many of the reasons you named. On Carly Simon's Best Of album and Hotcakes lp, "Haven't Got Time For The Pain" is the last song on that side of the lp. The end of the song is extremely busy with percussion, strings and woodwinds. I had a good turntable/cartridge setup but I noticed on the cd copy the sounds are a bit easier to distinguish. I've noticed this on many songs that were placed last on a side of vinyl vs the cd copy.

For me it's like Whole albums, if I like them enough, I get them and listen to them on vinyl (I wanna support the artists I love) Shuffle and initial album listens is streaming for me (cause of the convenience) And car trips are CDs (or streaming)

I like the smoothness of vinyl. The waves of analog sound is better to listen than the zeros and ones, ons and offs, but this only matters when you stop to compare and choose between vinyl and other format is easy. Other wise I listen what's possible, most of the time not vinyl.

Unfortunately with MP3 being the dominant music file for so many years listeners growing up hearing the quality of MP3 thinks steaming sounds great. It's really nice when you can educate people by showing them the difference between a well mastered CD and the same song streamed or MP3. You can really blow them away by playing a digitally mastered album released on vinyl through a Hi-Fi audiophile system!

@mikechivy

2 жыл бұрын

except that unless this is 1998, streaming has been 320kbps (or 256 AAC which is actually superior to 320kbps) for years, and it's discernable from CD. And don't tell me I need a better system, my speakers and amp alone are $10K. Apple now streams in lossless and Tidal has for years. It may have been dominant in the past, but unless you're listening to burned CD's from 20 years ago, most likely you are listening to something damn near close to lossless.

@adrianinnavan3910

Жыл бұрын

@@mikechivy I think you're alleging that CD is indiscernible from MP3. That is not the case for everyone. There are quite a few websites that will provide you with a test of 320kbps vs lossless. I can hear the difference even on just my laptop and a good pair of planar headphones. The only times I've failed are on acapella tracks or tracks with a strongly predominating vocals. You need to know what you're listening for more than anything.

@kamilkashaf2766

Жыл бұрын

@@mikechivy mp3 320 kbps has some roll-off in the splashiness and transients compared to lossless, but aac 256+ kbps gets indiscernible. That being said on some poorly mastered overly busy tracks I actually prefer the mp3 it takes off some of the close mic’d brashness and it brings out the mid-bass punch. Actually the mp3 is a step more similar to how vinyl sounds with the less than stellar tracking in high frequencies.

@mikechivy

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianinnavan3910 alright. You must have ears of 1/100,000,000,000. Can’t argue with someone who tells me they can tell from laptop speakers. Not gonna waste my time then. Come to think of it, I already did.

@adrianinnavan3910

Жыл бұрын

@@mikechivy I believe I mentioned that I used a pair of planar headphones plugged into my laptop. But I do agree, you are so wasting your time in any meaningful discussion.

The issue that I would like to see addressed is the one having to do with sound from let’s say s viola part during a cymbal crash during Tchaikovsky Symphony being removed in order to compact more dynamic information into the product.

"Not only does it have inferior audio quality, but you also have to get up and flip the record or put on disc two every few songs. It's pretty sweet."

I listen to cd, vinyl and cassette because they all accuntiate different things in the recording you can hear different things in each format.

Ive recently got a bunch of cds of my favorite albums after watching this video. What cd player do you have/reccomend? I just wanted to support artists i love but i kinda want to listen to them now lol. Great vid.

@ericlewis3562

2 жыл бұрын

Literally anything, all the CD player does is take the digital signal from the CD into the DAC. As long as you have a good amplifier, you’re good.

Laser disc is for video…but I’ve had Laser discs that had audio only tracks on the b channel (think alternate language track?). Of course, maybe you were just being facetious? Big LD fan here…but, not aware of full audio only LDs (must be some out there ;) ) Cool presentation with good facts. I still do just CDs for my hi-if system, but also use downloaded files for my mobile phone.

If I were an artist, I would like to do some of that Beatles experimenting with the physical medium of vinyl.

This man was setting up bits years in advance without anyone realizing it. Scott the woz of the music community. God bless you Michael The Snaredrum

I was planning on buying a turntable until I listened to this guy bust the myths about vinyl sounding better. The fact is it doesn't, Its inferior to a cd. But high quality turntables do look exquisite. I might buy one just for the look alone.

@adamgh0

3 жыл бұрын

It's inferior in the same way that a hand tossed, wood fired pizza has little bits of burned crust and a Domino's pizza doesn't.

@tiberiu_nicolae

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamgh0 that's like your opinion

@adamgh0

3 жыл бұрын

Tiberiu Nicolae That’s like....an analogy.

@manchesterexplorer8519

3 жыл бұрын

Mid range and detail is what makes Vinyl great . If you like very sharp highs or very low bass use CD or digital. Vinyl is the happy medium , with a decent set up it sounds the best to me anyways. It's also a fun hobby.

@bkkersey93

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong. Ignorant people say one sounds better than the other.

I’ve found that changing the EQ can make it sound very similar to vinyl.

All music recording and playback mediums have their pros and cons. None are perfect. With vinyl, the problem is that many people have not either bought a good enough turntable, or yet learned the skill needed and/or have the time and patience to set up a vinyl replay system properly. Turntable setup is a skill to be mastered where one needs to understand some basic mathematics (i.e. geometry and measurements), physics (resonance and vibration), and use manual dexterity to set up the turntable motor unit, tonearm, and cartridge correctly. I have been using it for 34 years and have learned much about vinyl replay setup in that time. When set right and all the above factors are carefully executed you will see why it has a sound quality that even in 2019 CDs and digital downloads still struggle to match. Pops and clicks are almost non-existent on a clean LP, and once the main musical signal is picked up by the cartridge, the music overpowers any groove noise. Furthermore, most people have never heard what really is in the vinyl groove because few people invest in a good enough turntable/arm/cartridge and pre-amp to hear what a well recorded vinyl record is capable of. iPhones now cost £1000+ but I would challenge anyone to buy a turntable for the same price, especially a vintage one like Thorens/Linn/AR/Systemdek/Denon/Technics/Sony/Pioneer etc, and compare it to their digital downloads. You will be surprised at just how powerful and realistic the vinyl medium is in comparison. It is still far more advanced in many ways than most modern digital formats because of the precision engineering that went into its research in the past, and even in some respects the present. This is why it still holds its own today. Don’t judge vinyl by a Croxley, or cheap £100 or $100 turntable. You need to invest in a quality turntable to hear what vinyl is really capable of. From a Rega Planar 2, Dual CS-505, or Technics SL 1200, Thorens TD 166 level upwards is a base standard in my reckoning. Any modern turntable that can playback music through a cartridge at the levels these machines are capable of and upwards one should be aiming for. Notice I have not said it is superior to digital, but that it can hold its own against any digital format as it, as well as the tape medium, follows the path closest to natural science than the digital playback format.

@URAZKIVANER

2 жыл бұрын

"When set right and all the above factors are carefully executed you will see why it has a sound quality that even in 2019 CDs and digital downloads still struggle to match" that sentence alone means that you think the audio quality is superior to the digital ones despite the scientific facts and evidence show on the contrary . The dynamic range and right left separation is less and it adds some distortion sounds whatever system you use which were not supposed to be there because the way you supposed to hear it is the way it was recorded. So please can you elaborate on that statement I am curious what makes you think that Vinyl sounds better. Have you ever tried a blindfold test with a cd and a vinyl of a particular recording ??? It is same with the 256kb mp3 file vs lossless CD format . Humans are not capable of telling the difference on those formats. Because average humans dont actually hear more than 17k hertz frequencies nor lower than 20 hertz. unless you are a super human baby ;) This guy is right on the money when he says it makes you feel attached to the music more and so on because of the requirements you need to do while listening and feeling connected to a community who enjoys nostalgia ... Digital came out because of the imperfections of this recording format not because people were bored...

Lemme be real here. I think CDs are cooler than Vinyls. They're portable, and they generally feel like it's flexible for me. Don't get me wrong, I still love vinyl, but for many purposes, CDs and cassette tapes just are my personal favorites. Vinyl people hate CDs so much that CDs have become the new counterculture. ...for that last one "Vinyl people" with "Democrats" and "CDs" with "Conservative(s)" and you have a Bean Shaporange quote.

Take an example at 20KHz, DIgital to Analog converter produces square wave which requires low pass filter to "convert" the square wave to sine wave. This make me think of those cheap 12V DC to 110V or 220V AC inverter. This cheap inverter operate at 50Hz or 60Hz square wave, and so it output 110V or 220V AC square wave at 50Hz or 60Hz that requires lowpass filter to smooth out the wave to make it more like sine wave but never able to achieve pure sine wave--it is called modified sine wave.

Thanks man I was about to buy a turntable hoping that the quality would be better than digital. But now my decision has changed

@mndlessdrwer

2 жыл бұрын

if you want to inject warmth into your audio, try tube amps.

4:36 There should be written 16 bits per sample, not second.

the only real debate regarding cd vs lp is whether analog is better than digital. and that depends on your listening preferences and hearing. pretty much subjective opinion. otherwise cd wins hands down. no crackling pops orskips with cd. when an issuearises its usually surface smudges which can be easily cleaned. no wear factor with laser vs needle wear on lps. repeated playback has no effect on cd as opposed to lp. cds can easily be played in a portable setting. a walkman or car cd player. the lp would have to be put oin a file or in earlier times on tape. compareable liner notes and graphics. often much better on cds. both collectible on hands media. cd is the last of the handson collectible media. storage is a no brainer. 1000 cds can easily be stored on bookshelves. try that with lps. need a room dedicated to shelving and crates. everything has to be considered in a cd vs vinyl debate. besides sound, portability,durability,collectability,and storage. it never got better than cd. the vinyl resurgence is mainly down to 2 factors. nostalgia with older collectors and longing for a past format they never experience firsthand with younger collectors.

@ApparentlyShane

2 жыл бұрын

This is honestly the best comment on this video.

Being a 90’s junglist kid who went and bought his white labels every Friday and loved making his mix tapes.. that is simply more romantic than looking at a screen and pushing buttons! More skill involved and more real life interactivity! Each to their own tho

Best format is what ever accurately represents what the artist put down on the studio master. Vinyl as you explained is not that but it’s physical collectible is where it’s at.

@Duster5000

3 жыл бұрын

@@lepidoptera9337 I get what your saying as I am also an audio engineer and have worked in and out of studios for the past 20 years. The artist generally signs off on the final mix. From there it is mastered to what ever format it will consumed. My point was with vinyl frequency concessions having to be made. Ultimately altering what ever fidelity value that was agreed upon in a post mix master. Digital more accurately captures a truer version of the master.

@Duster5000

3 жыл бұрын

@@lepidoptera9337 I 100% agree

My experience is when using a home stereo system to convert cassettes ,and Vinyl to digital you loose some fine sounds . witch I notice . so it`s the system you use that makes the digital sound worse the recorder is a Phillips CD recorder witch is not professional grade either.

I like that it’s a flatter sound range

I grew up on tapes and records. CD was tinny and hard to listen to. It was hard on the wallet also. I was an apprentice is a rural town so a new CD cost 10% of my wage. that is the equivalent of US$125 today. luckily housing costs were only 50% of my wage (nothing like today) There are not many that could afford that luxury today. It was a status symbol to even have a CD player. I amassed 300 CDs before they crashed, and sold them for a fraction more than 20 years ago.

I think critical thinking on this subject says the thinker has too much time. I have the means and wherewithal to enjoy music from CDs, DAT, stereo and multi-channel SACDs, 1/4 inch reel to reel, LPs, Compact Cassette's, digital downloads and streams. Of these I know the most compelling format for me is 5.1 multi-channel SACD, for a multitude of reasons.

Personally I prefer vinyl over digital, mainly because you have it physically and records come with a lot more than just phones having a pic of the album cover

i compared vinyl vs streaming in my set up. IMO vinyl had more presence, although a tad less bass.

@jhareng

2 жыл бұрын

Thats down to the cartridge, cabling, turntable and tonearm in that order.

I like quality, but I also like convenience. So I buy great used albums in CD format for peanuts (because people want to throw them away) and immediately copy them in FLAC and put them on my phone (which has a good DAC). Micro SD cards are cheap now, so no reason to use MP3s unless it's for streaming.

@mndlessdrwer

2 жыл бұрын

Just so you know, there's no benefit to converting the files on the CD away from WAV as long as the players on your phone can decode WAV. You aren't going to discover additional detail in a 44.1kHz@16-bit WAV file by converting it to FLAC. The only thing you'll accomplish is making a larger file. This used to be up for more debate back when digital media players were so underpowered that they were using decompression cheats to play WAV and MP3 and inducing digital artifacts during playback, but for modern cell phones, this is a non-issue.

@elkeospert9188

2 жыл бұрын

@@mndlessdrwer "You aren't going to discover additional detail in a 44.1kHz@16-bit WAV file by converting it to FLAC. The only thing you'll accomplish is making a larger file" Converting a WAV file using FLAG normaly results in a smaller file without any loss as FLAC is a lossless compression algorithm.

The only reason (yes, the only one) I prefer current vinyls vs. CDs or streaming is Dynamic Range, which you glossed over completely. Vinyls sound better than almost any post-1995 CD or stream versions because they aren't as heavily compressed. That's it.

@Kameron-The-Crafter

3 жыл бұрын

Your wrong. Just so you know.

CDs superior in every way. Being there in the 80s firsthand seeing the transition from vinyl to CD was revolutionary.

I’m a vinyl collector. I started it over 20 years ago. I love playing them. I love to watch the record spin on my turntable. ❤ One of the many reasons what I like about vinyl is that they have the money value in case you have to sell something. Digital has not the money value. It’s a waste of money. Try to sell a digital file. 😂

@rabsmiff

Жыл бұрын

digita file-l music is fine if you want a cheap method to build a huge collection at low cost. It s a boring, inhuman format to be sure though [compared to vinyl etc]

@MaQuGo119

Жыл бұрын

1 guy vs the hole software industry.

Young Mic is so cute but the videos are always great

Why should I buy CDs when I have an old smartphone and a y-cord on my record setup? Its all digital right? What difference is there between my setup and CDs? I can load up KZread on my old smartphone and steam it through the y-cord to my sound system. Doesn't really matter? I'll take my awesome cheap vinyl setup with y-cord Thank You Very Much.

Very much depends on the engineers who did the recording.

A bad CD on a bad player sounds bad. A good vinyl on a good player sounds good. A bad vinyl on a bad player sounds bad. A good CD on a good player sounds good. Quiet easy

@elkeospert9188

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is - it is now very cheap to build a very good CD player and it is also very cheap to produce a "good" CD in the sense that the data on that CD could be read without errors.

Some good stuff in this video. One thing I would mention when discussing DACs is how they can also change the overall sound and stereo imaging. We did a shootout at a very prestigious world famous studio in Hollywood between brands like Benchmark, Bryston, Apogee, Avid, Lynx, etc. I knew the quality or algorithm used to code/decode an analog signal could change ther sound, but I was shocked to hear just how much it messed with it. The Bryson for instance opened up the stereo image, but was less punchy and a little less defined due to phasing. In contrast the Benchmark had a more narrow stereo image, but was punchier and definitely more defined (you could hear the separate bass and kick drum). The Lynx sounded bright but crisp and clear on the high end frequencies. Etc etc. Regardless, between vinyl and CD, neither is better, they are just different.

@musicmansell

2 жыл бұрын

@MF Nickster That's what I thought as well until I heard and saw the evidence right in front of us. Pretty sure all those top brands didn't bring broken units for the shootout. If it was just one, maybe, but all of them were different. It shocked me as well, because I always assumed the AD could be different but the DA should be fairly transparent. It just wasn't the case. We did this shoot out back in 2012 at Westlake Studios. A lot of big names in music production were in the room that day. Everyone heard differences.

@musicmansell

2 жыл бұрын

@MF Nickster we were running a stereo master of a recording out of pro tools, hitting the various DACs, then output through the stereo bus of the SSL console (AWS900 I believe) through the speakers (westlake BBSM12) in the room powered by Bryston amplification. It was in what I think they called the production suite sho it was a little smaller and more controlled sounding room. All the DACs were sent direct output signals via switching in the DAW, so no switches or devices that could influence the sound were between the output of the digital recording and the DAC itself. Everything wad played back through the same stereo bus, amp, and speakers.

@musicmansell

2 жыл бұрын

@MF Nickster I actually just looked it up, and the room is still there with the same set up! Westlake studios Hollywood, Production Suite 2. Still had the SSL AWS900, Bryston amps, and WL speakers. So I guess you could literally go there and recreate the test if in the area, ha!

@musicmansell

2 жыл бұрын

@MF Nickster That's a great video. Thanks for sharing.

@elkeospert9188

2 жыл бұрын

" The Bryson for instance opened up the stereo image," How should this work - the two stereo channels are handled independently by DAC and ADC but to change anything on the stereo image they have to process the signal different....

I have Master Of Reality on vinyl, CD, and apple music. Out of all three the CD has always had the best sound in every aspect. People talk about it feelin lifelike with vinyl but listening to the CD in my car always felt like i was sitting in a room with them while they play for me.

@-Scrapper-

2 жыл бұрын

Wdym analog and lossless is way superior to digital

Nah digital every time for me, I spent my youth pissing about with tapes and vinyl back in the 70s and 80s, clicks and pops needle drag or tapes with more hiss than sense, granted I had shit equipment back then, I do however have an expensive turntable now and a dragon tape deck for my old music collection and do enjoy it from time to time and both sound pretty clean but what gets on me tits is audiophiles banging on about vinyl is quality and full of warmth and sounds far superior than anything digital has to offer....na it's bollocks no it doesn't! for me ultimately digital is where I'm at you can do a lot more with it interms of editing etc and quick access to tracks and you can play them as many times as you want with out any loss of quality, minidisc is still my favourite format of all time second to that is cd.

4:40 I don’t think this is accurate. When the dac plays it back it fills in the gaps and makes a more rounded sound wave.

I like CD and Vinyl a lot. also, CD can play on CD players and phones as well as having all the artwork. Vinyl can play on cool turntables and record players.

CD definitely sounds the best as the music is uncompressed but apart from importing the CD files onto my computer I don’t listen to them. If I’m on the go, then digital is great but if I’m at home and I have the music, I’m always playing vinyl. It relaxes me and I love holding the record sleeve in my hand as I watch it play. Plus all the extra stuff that comes with vinyl I love! Sound wise between digital and vinyl I can’t really hear the difference. As long as it sounds good I’m happy

@myronhelton4441

2 жыл бұрын

I am going to prove to your ears that lps make cds sound like garbage. Click the first link to listen to lp. Click second link to listen to garbage cd. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dJ583Nlwg7yad7w.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/l5p-qaapc7bYerw.html ...

Do you by anym means take inspiration by Technology Connections?

what about cassette? they have unique audio artifacts and qualities as well and some people might prefer that

I have all four format's, Pandora on my phone, cassette tape's, vinyl and CD's but I have more CD's if anything I don't really listen to music off my phone. I play CD's more than the other format's

The most important thing in all of these formats is mastering. A well mastered CD sounds good and a well mastered vinyl record will sound good. The biggest problem for vinyl record is when a CD is mastered well and then they take the same mastering and press it on vinyl. The music needs to be mastered for the format it will end up on, so if they intend to press it on vinyl they need to master it specifically for vinyl.

@StringerNews1

3 жыл бұрын

Except CD mastering has nothing to do with how it sounds. Either the CD plays or it doesn't. No, you can't use a master stamper for a record to stamp a CD. It doesn't work that way! Records have grooves, CDs have pits and lands to store digital information.

@CatDadChris

3 жыл бұрын

@@StringerNews1 obviously I expected you to understand that a CD has a digital file on it. That digital file is, in fact, mastered for the CD'S limited physical characteristics. For example, you have limited space on a CD so the file needs to fit.

@StringerNews1

3 жыл бұрын

@@CatDadChris no, there are no files on CD-DA. An audio CD has no filesystem. No, there are no physical limitations that require messing with the content. A CD is not a record. A Red Book CD holds 74 minutes of stereo sound. It doesn't matter what the sound is, the same number of bits are used. A CD album is made to be no longer than that; there's no fudge factor. Obviously I can't accept ideas that are just plain wrong. You need to understand that this isn't an "alternative facts" thing, there's only one reality here.

@CatDadChris

3 жыл бұрын

@@StringerNews1 yeah you are right. I shouldn't have responded when I just woke up. That said, a cd is still mastered and an album can sound better/worse between different releases. So how would you like me to express that in the future. Do I need to say Mixing/mastering?

@StringerNews1

3 жыл бұрын

@@CatDadChris One thing that's important is knowing what mastering is, and what isn't mastering. Mastering is preparing a master copy that's used to mass produce many copies. Because it's a physical process (stamping), the positive and negative copies wear out, and new ones must be made. Vinyl records start out by cutting a lacquer disk that gets plated to become the master from which mothers and stampers are made. CD mastering is similar, but the recording is digital, so metadata like the TOC and CD Text must be generated in valid form, then the data and metadata are combined, then modulated to make a bit stream that has added error-correction data. This bit stream is painted onto a glass substrate with a laser. There's no playing of audio or tweaking levels or EQ for CD mastering like there is for record mastering, it's not needed and not part of the process. Whenever someone writes "mastering" in a discussion of "sound" and CDs, I know that there's a fundamental understanding, because nothing in the CD mastering process affects the recording itself. Bits are bits, and if they can be read, you hear stuff, if not you hear nothing. There seems to be a myth that mastering is something other than making the first physical piece for mass production, and that "sound quality" is somehow changed. That's not true. All of the recording, mixing, processing etc. should already be done. Sadly there are some people who aren't part of the record or CD mastering process, but call themselves "mastering engineers". These people take money from artists or record companies to do post-production work on finished recordings. Sometimes there's a need to touch up a "blah" recording, but too often these people lack the skill to do anything helpful, and they make the recording worse. Record companies used to do something called "sweetening" often without the consent or knowledge of the artist. This practice was always sleazy, and it's only gotten worse as musicians know less about recording and fall victim to scams more easily. They call what they do "mastering" but if there's no master physical copy of a record or CD being made, it's not an unnecessary step that could have been done in the studio if really needed. I'd call the process of laying down tracks, mixing them together, adding effects and laying out singles to make an album "recording". The process of making physical discs, including making the master one, mastering, is manufacturing. What I'd call anything in between would depend on exactly what's being done. These days premastering need not be done at the CD factory. That step can be done between recording and manufacturing.

I Listen to both. If the vinyl is well recorded, from original analogue, good quality tapes, I go for it. If the recording is digital, I buy CDs. Stream, I mainly use to hear new music, new artists. The albums I like, I buy. Regardless of format.

Mechanical vs Digital. The basic physical vs math solution. No opinion needed.You be the judge. 👍👍👍

I was shocked to discover that vinyl is roughly 11 Bit that’s 5 Bits under CD 16 Bit!!! Sometimes vinyl sounds better!

@pelgervampireduck

2 жыл бұрын

being analogue I don't think it applies to say "vinyl is x bits".

@KRAZEEIZATION

2 жыл бұрын

@@pelgervampireduck it’s the equivalent because of the dynamic range. 16 bit PCM audio has more detail, range and audio clarity. I’ve been using both formats for nearly 4 decades and although I love vinyl, CD has better sound overall.

@pelgervampireduck

2 жыл бұрын

@@KRAZEEIZATION dynamic range can be compared, but it doesn't depend on bits. CD is "too clear", too cold, too sterile, too bright. specially if it's mixed all brickwalled. on vinyl they can't mix like "loudness wars" because of the limitations of the format, so ironically a vinyl version could come from a more dynamic master and sound better than the CD master.

@KRAZEEIZATION

2 жыл бұрын

@@pelgervampireduck I find both modern CD and vinyl pressings sound horrible.

@pelgervampireduck

2 жыл бұрын

@@KRAZEEIZATION it depends if it's a remaster or even where it's made. sometimes a record pressed in a country can sound better than the same record pressed in a different country. it happens with CD too.

7:40 Every copy of the Mario 64 soundtrack on vinyl is personalized.

I own both vinyl and cd. With my pair of headphones, I hear no noticeable difference whatsoever. So for me this debate is on whether you like convenience (cd), or something novel and cool (vinyl).

In my opinion, the theoretical advantage of CD is for the most time not noticeable. They are so close, so the difference lays in convenience. The vinyl do color the sound in a way that some people prefer. But as you say. This debate has no meaning after all.. Cheers

i use both but mainly cds, vinyl is fun but just awkward to set up