they go so far demonstrating every time it's really amazing the dedication these guys have. wrestling and dropping all the time... testing impact on shield while holding it and stuff... mad respect!

For any more shield demonstrations like this, you guys should see about making a transparent shield so the camera can see what is going on through the shield.

Thanks for doing a video specifically about that shield clench. Very enlightening!

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

anytime we love making video about historical viking age shield.

I keep expecting Eldgrim to get up and rush you XD. He always sounds like he's dying when you do something to him, it's great...

Good stuff !

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

Thank you :D

Nice techniques and well executed from the established position. In German longsword it is called a Schrank, or barrier throw, as Thrand mentioned. The weakness of the large shield is amply demonstrated. The large diameter means that any pressure on the edge from the side is almost impossible to stop, causing the shield to turn in the hand. If there is a secondary strap on the arm then this will reducde this effect considerably, though some effect will occur, would be interesting to try out that type of shield as a test. The first couter I would try is to push my hand into the opponents face as the shield turned in the hope of blocking the line of attack that the sword makes and to redirect the sword arm so that the throw cannot be made. I must try this out myself. great stuff.

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

Thank You so much again for giving your views it means a a lot to have your opinion and input. Thanks again for watching and I am looking forward to seeing your books on Viking Sword and shield. I am going to try to get the books soon for review.

@joshtiscareno1312

5 жыл бұрын

The fact that the large round shield pivots is not a bug, it's a feature. The extra reach provided by the center grip is massive compared to that of a strapped shield, and this increases both the protection and the offensive potential of the shield. One of the drawbacks of all shields is that they frequently get in the way of the weapon (sword, axe,spear, etc). The pivoting shield allows the shield to be rapidly pivoted out of the way to open up for strikes and to obstruct the enemy's own sword and shield. The large round shield itself is a formiddable weapon that can strike quickly and unexpectedly. And the large size provides incredible protection when held out at full length. I'd argue that it is the ideal shield design for any heavy infantry not wearing full suits of chain or plate armor.

I've come to realize that Eldgrim looks more like a pirate or musketeer than a viking. I feel like any minute he's going to start swinging from chandeliers and seducing some governor's daughter.

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

LOL

@LordEldgrimr

9 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah, that's the life!

@TemenosL

9 жыл бұрын

Viru Sinstall Vikings could be seen as a kind of pirate force. :3

Great video and technique, but I wish you guys would switch sides occasionally so the camera can see both perspectives, since the shields can obscure the view of what's going on.

Eldgrim, you are such a good sport.. I hope your colleague gets well soon.

@LordEldgrimr

9 жыл бұрын

Thanks. It's a shame what happened.

interesting to see how some of the more common techniques we use today date so far back, but I guess you don't fix what aint broken.

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

There was probably a neolithic man running around trying to claim he invented that one but it still predated him :P

A shooting at work? Jesus Christ, Eldgrim! Well I'm glad you are alright and I wish the best for your coworker.

I think the main problem with these videos remains that Thrand's shield is opaque. Have you guys considered making a shield that is basically just an inch thick outer ring held by a 'cross' in the center for stability? Alternatively, maybe cutting out 'view' windows, so one can see what is happening between both shields. That said, thank you for doing it. Its just a bit unfortunate that the Shields (nature of the beast) block a lot of the visibility in these situations.

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

I see what you mean a special shield for demonstrations you can see through. A very good idea :D

@IshanDeston

9 жыл бұрын

ThegnThrand Yeah, it would just be for the demonstrations (and is my only nitpick about the videos, i mean i have your explaination and i can guess what you are doing, but you guys seem to know yourself you are struggling with showing what you are doing. Having one of the shields be just for the demonstrations, that face the camera and allows people to see through, would probably go a long way to increase the visibility. And in theory you'd only need the outline for your own shield, so people know where your shield is (and no one complains about it) I think maybe an inch thick ring, with a sturdy cross to hold it, would be sturdy enough to allow you to use the shield as you normally would, but still increase the visibility to what you are doing.

@KellerChristoph

9 жыл бұрын

ThegnThrand make some demo shields out of Plexiglas? You could put a thin band of tape around the edges to show where the edge is.

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

KellerChristoph Not to bad an idea and they have high impact plastic as well :D

@Strider1313

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thrand11 thats what i was thinkinh was a clear plastic

You guys are awesome. Keep it up!

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

Daniel Edwards Thanks we try our best or worst to be :P

May the power of RubberKidney be with You coulege, Eldgrim ;) I do hope he will get better soon, and fully recover. It's a nasty business to get shot...

@LordEldgrimr

9 жыл бұрын

He is strong and his convelescense will be swift. I was able to help the police find and capture the shooter. He will probably plea bargin but if it goes to trial I will gladly be a witness for the prosecution

@andrewplck

9 жыл бұрын

LordEldgrimr I am glad to hear that.

I strongly recommend to quote in the description every time every manual you mention and every person you mention, because with accents the english words might still be clear but names will often be misinterpreted and misheard.

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

I understand will try to get that in next time.

Nice shields

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

Thanks :D

@Maedelrosen

9 жыл бұрын

I'm getting materials together to make one, and I'll likely be following your ,,How to make" video, may even post my first video based on it lol

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

Hansl Lavenburg Very awesome be sure an link us a picture of the finished shield will post it at the well of remembrance and the boat crew.

@Maedelrosen

9 жыл бұрын

ThegnThrand that's awesome, will do

@Maedelrosen

9 жыл бұрын

It'll be hard to find a forged shield boss though, likely make it out of something else.

It was hilarious watching your friend fall screaming to the ground 🤣🤣🤣 What did you call the Scorpion Wrap at 6:40 ? I'm guessing you used a Viking name for it. I would like to know what it is and research it further. Thanks.

Another insightful video - in my recent (the past year) research. I have learned so much about ancient warfare and tactics, I used to ignorantly think people ran at eachother with inferior melee weapons and hacked at eachother aimlessly for a while, I have learned that it was quite the opposite - and I love these videos where I can physically see whats happening, sometimes reading and comprehending what theyre trying to emphasise/elaborate to you can be quite hard --- cheers ThegnThrand appreciate the vids and time!!!

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and all your kind words. We enjoy making the videos and sharing them.

whos the band that plays at the end?

Eldgrimir always gets thrown on the ground/hit/etc LOL...sorry to hear about his co-worker though.

Thrand, do you lift weights? Your biceps have some definition and I was curious.

Man, I really hate that only Eldgrimr is getting thrown around. I am sure he knows these techniques too! Can't he show them on Thrand?

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

Ja! he can sorry it seems one sided but he normally prefers it that way.

@Ninetails1985

9 жыл бұрын

ThegnThrand Besides that I loved the video! I am getting a lot of respect for those viking shields. However, what do you think about famous viking weapons such as the so called "Dane Axe"? It wouldn't be so popular if it didn't worked and it requires you to drop your shield so you can handle the 10 inch blade on the 55 inch handle - clearly for two hands?

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

Ninetails1985 The Dane axe is a good pole weapon. It can be up to 6' long so reach gives some advantages.

Great demonstration! If I were to go ahead and specialize in one particular fighting style/warrior/soldier from the past, I'd definitely want a variety of the shields they use, both in size and possibly construction. If I was really big on ancient Rome for instance, I'd have some early republican shields as well as the late rectangular scutums. Might even include some cavalry gear to boot. If my things is more ancient greece, there were a couple of different shields used in the archaic period, and even when the aspis was common, archeological finds tell us there was some degree of variance in size and construction. So I wouldn't know why folks who claim to be viking specialists would stop short at only one certain size of shield. I could definitely see the benefit of the larger one in both shieldwalls and certainly against missiles. Round shields will always leave a certain amount of the body exposed, be it the legs and head or more/less. One way to alleviate that is certainly with larger shields.

What's the Darude - Sandstorm at the end.

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

Have to ask Eldgrim :P

Does Eldgrim enjoy being thrown on the ground ? Good video , could you not roll your shoulder down and bring your weapon up to gut or castrate you opponent ?

Which treatise is this from?

@Thrand11

9 жыл бұрын

The throw is from many European treatise and fight manuals and even used in Japanese martial arts as well as many others. I just applied it to 3' Viking center boss round shield combat based on stories from the sagas of warriors throwing others to the ground by using a special skill with their body and shields as described.

@TheVanguardFighter

9 жыл бұрын

Which treatises are you most familiar with?

I know you guys are well trained and experienced in falling down correctly, but I almost cringe at times when Eldgrimr's yells when you knock him down. Does he just do that for effect? If so well done xD

@GlueC

9 жыл бұрын

I was taught back in the day that the yell when falling is for breath control. Bracing for impact can make you hold your breath sometimes, then the ground will knock the wind out of you. This keeps you from holding your breath.

@LordEldgrimr

9 жыл бұрын

My legs and arms were getting cut on the shield rimming, but that isn't the reason I shout. I shout expel air from my lungs before I hit the ground so I don't get the wind knocked out of me.

Eldgimr, all the best wishes for your coworker, I hope that he makes a 100% recovery in both mind and body.. Remember kids, guns and alcohol just don't mix! Also, I find your videos to be both educational and entertaining. Personally, I found just about 90% of Most Dangerous Warrior to be weapons-grade bullshit, more entertainment than educational. Had they not tried to pass their BS off as fact, I would've enjoyed it more. Here's hoping that I see the names "Thrand" and "Eldgrimr" in the credits as fight choreographers in some future movie.

@TemenosL

9 жыл бұрын

bjmccann1 I agree with you and also wish Eldgrimr's co-worker the best. (: Did you mean Deadliest Warrior? Agreed, by the way. Huge, huge, steaming truckloads of crap were involved in plenty of that show. Truly the only entertaining and worthwhile thing I got from that show was the moments when they'd test weapons on the ballistics gel dummies with bones and blood inside them. It did, at the least, give you an idea as to what damage these weapons could cause, (at least on an unclothed/armored person).

@bjmccann1

9 жыл бұрын

Janas Aurora Yes, Janas, the weapons testing was interesting but flawed. Remember the IRA episode? One of the IRA "experts" used a slingshot to put a bullet into a skull's eye cavity. The show's hosts didn't seem to be very impressed. When I saw that, I was impressed, impressed with how full of shit the show was. A shot to the eye socket might cause a brain hemmorage that could lead to death. At the very least, the victim of such a wound would be out of the fight and could either be bypassed, or killed at leisure. There are too many more examples for me to continue without hosting my own KZread channel.

@TemenosL

9 жыл бұрын

bjmccann1 Well stated. I don't recall that particular moment, but it's quite surprising to imagine that not being an impressive feat.

Wow aren't you guys cold?...must be that Nordic blood.

Thrand's shield was a bit in the way while doing the first technique, made it a little hard to see exactly how it was done. Great stuff otherwise.