Just a heads up but any warning sticker left on your ride will Rob power. Everyone knows that stickers add horsepower but warning stickers affect in negatively. Just speaking facts I’ve known since I was four.

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

Lololol you might be right!

@Missioneer

Жыл бұрын

I can second this. I added a voltorb vinyl sticker to my scooter and it increased the wattage by 1000.

@wengzhenlong9268

Жыл бұрын

😂😂​打啊哇塞1🎉@@Missioneer1啊3我3😂是2😮😮2😅我3前妻1😂🐩u4❤

Great initial review. The new format and B roll (gimbal) is great! The Patton looks promising, Im shocked by the range. Few bugs to workout but Im sure it will hold its golden place in the lineup. Its Awesome we're getting different platforms to suit different types of riding. Im about to upgrade from my S18 and was really between this an the Sherman S. While my heart says Patton for daring offroad shenanigans and jumps, my aging brain says Sherman S for a stable, long distance street cruiser. Thanks for providing us with this content, its great we have such representation in the community

@zorayanuthar9289

Жыл бұрын

Got an S18 as well and think of s19 or patton

Veteran really has a good line up of wheels (Abrams doesn't exist)! All they need is a super compact one, something under 2000€

sick review. you deserve a patton the back.

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂❤️

@domaman

Жыл бұрын

lmao, thanks for the laugh

Had to pause this video on my TV and grab my phone to type out, I'm so glad you've got a better deal with myewheel, you deserve it Adam! Your reviews are beyond amazing!

@thegreenhansel

Жыл бұрын

Beyond amazing 🎉🎉🎉 that describes it perfect 😂❤ I am always astonished about the quality... nice day and all the best ride hard stay safe gruuuzzz

I have a Sherman S and it's been fantastic, but the one thing I wish it had was progressive tiltback. My V11 has that and it comes in handy very often when you can't necessarily hear the beeps, plus it's nice to have a tactile feedback vs auditory. I hope they can bring it to the Sherman S in an update.

hi adam! I just wanted to say that as a longtime viewer, it's been a pleasure to see your writing, riding, and video production skills improve over the years :) even if I don't always agree with your opinions on top speed ;)

Brilliant video! Really love this style of filming and precenting!

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

Thank you almighty Manatee ❤

@BossManaatti

Жыл бұрын

@@mr_wrongway this for real has been one of my favorite euc videos ever :D such an easy watch

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

@@BossManaatti thank you so much!!!

Wow! Tilt back based on %PWM is a great idea. 🎉

@grb1969

Жыл бұрын

I believe that this was Dawn Champion’s suggestion about 2-3 months ago.

@dirt.surfer

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this is a safety feature all wheels should adopt for some peace of mind

@TheDownloader86

Жыл бұрын

@@dirt.surfer I think that Inmotion have it already for a long time, but you can't change it, except of the setting of the fancier mode :).

Awesome video! Thank you for making it. I ordered my Patton last week. It says it'll ship in June. I'm so excited!

Thank you so much Adam, I have a pre-order for the patton and its my first wheel, your videos along with all the other great content makers not only got me interested in the wheels but have put my mind (mostly) at ease about what I bought. Time to make a 5 year dream come true😃

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

Congrats! I hope it goes well for you!

@mrclickclickboom69

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations!!!❤

@ericleroux3452

Жыл бұрын

I'm curious how it will be to start with a such heavy wheel. But why not and maybe you are a heavy guy too.

@DaddyQ619

Жыл бұрын

I'm a heavy guy, just started over 1 week ago on v12 ht. I would not have wanted heavier than this for my 1st wheel. No issues other than normal growing pains 😅

@Duskys_Life

Жыл бұрын

@@DaddyQ619 I am fairly heavy and tall, so I'm hoping that makes it a little easier to learn on.🤞

Best review I have ever seen on an wheel Adam you’re getting so good!!🎉

That's some insane pedal tilting around 0:40. This wheel is truly an amazing wheel. We are approaching a time where the motor/controller are not the limits - but the rider & tire are limitations for grip. I loved your story intro. The wheel can accelerate and brake SUPER hard.

@steveo6034

Жыл бұрын

A major technological leap in battery energy densities will finally enable lighter weight wheels but until then....🏋‍♂️

@2cells1pack

Жыл бұрын

@@steveo6034 With the torque on this wheel - you really only feel the weight when you have to pick it up. The torque hides the weight very well.

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

Agree 2Cells1Pack!

I rode an mten3 84v for a year and a half. I didn't have the money for a "real" wheel... but I finally do. This Paton will be my first wheel! I'm so excited

I think around the 7:20 when I heard progressive tiltback based on PWM, along with the other stats of a high torque, smaller, suspension, quality wheel I think I kinda decided to start saving up to buy this beauty.

Ma future roue c'est sûr ! Merci Adam pour tes compétences et ton enthousiasme c'est vraiment un plaisir, super vidéo comme toujours !

Super revue Adam ! Hate de la recevoir :)

Love your reviews, many thanks for the time and effort you put into them. Looking forward to veteran's upgrade of this wheel. Hopefully lighter & wont over charge :)

Happy to hear you have a more consistent sponsor!

Good "first impression" video. Everything important covered. The usual review is good for a later point - after 1000 km, having changed a tire, seeing some issues and having various range tests and terrain experiences.

Yes!!!! Been waiting on this video to come out. I already ordered my Veteran Patton weeks ago and this video just makes me feel even better about ordering it. I also ordered the 66 lb version and this video makes me feel pretty good about that decision. Can't wait to get my wheel and can't wait to see your full review video.

good you got on fixed rate bro! happy for you!

Yo, I think this is possibly your best video ever. You should do more of that stuff like the intro. Really epic! But of course keep that wrong way Intro snippet in there. It's a must!

Wooow super danke für das Video lieber Adam... nach den Worten is es klar... ich brauch auch ein Patton... s22 pro schön und gut aber Patton is halt next level wie es scheint und deckt alles ab was ich von so nem EUC erwarte... 62lbs should be fine for a 60kg rider I hope... all the best... ride hard stay safe und klarerweise I will stay tuned for the full review gruuuuzzzz... und Kameraführung wie immer outstanding 🎉🎉❤

Love the speed advice @ 8:52. This video and others just makes me want to get this as my secondary wheel and sell my OG Sherman even though I have a Sherman-s.

AWESOME I was waiting for this!

LK said PWM tiltback not possible on the Sherman S (or previous models) due to eeprom storage too small won't fit, maybe if Sherman S gets updated motherboard in the future otherwise we won't see PWM tiltback there.

I’ve been thinking about it. Maybe, probably, I don’t know if I should get it yet. Still checking out other wheels like the Payton’s bigger brother the Sherman S.

Nice jumps man!

literelly just turned on my PC after a long workday. nice intro WB style haha

Dude i just ordered the PATTON lastnight using your pupon code (nr.2 wheel using your code) the first 2minnutes off this video made me jump up and shout "Yes! this was the right decision"

Imagine how amazing a city with only Bike and pedestrian paths would be :o

Hi asking for some advice! I'm a 130 lb person and I mainly ride on streets. I preordered this wheel with 58 lb [Reccommended for

Looks like a great wheel. I'm just learning EUC's so I may consider either this one or the Veteran Sherman Max next year. We will see. I like that this wheel is smaller and more nimble.

It's seems to be perfect for european riders/condition, Thx for this fresh review 😊

Can’t wait for my pre-order, think it’ll be July 😅 Would be awesome if the indicator function on the rear lights could be turned off

Thank you for the review Adam. Very helpful! As strictly a jump wheel, what do you pick Patton on S22?

That intro had me hyped! lol

I liked this video a lot. Nice footage and breakdown. That rabge was slightly more that I expected...How much do you weigh woth gear on? I would be interested to see your thoughts on the trolley handle in the full review, as I use the handle on my V12 HT almost every day.

This is by the sounds of it the sweet spot. The 50mile range is perfect for me where my S22 like you said can just go over the 40miles. The only thing is that I think about is the shorter travel compared to the S22 and the weatherproofing as my S22's bearings are now busted from on UK 10 mile ride home from work. I also do like the look of this wheel.

can't wait till some V14 and S19 comparison with Patton will be out!

Great video! Adam, have you heard anything about a solution for seated riding, which this seems to lack over the Sherman-S? It has a nice flat area for it so I am sure it's only a matter of time!

Hi great vid and cograts on the gimbal Would you recommend this as a starter wheel?

Thanks again Adam

Bottoming out seems to be an issue, even with 66lbs spring, hopefully vetaran make a stiffer spring or a progressive one that really cranks up the rate closer to the end of travel

In other sports, like paragliding, it's everyone's dream to be paid for doing what you love most. If that's the deal that myewheel is offering you then I think you have something real good going on. Congratulations!

Thank you Adam for another great video. I would love to see you compare the Patton to the S22 Pro. Personally I'm torn between the 2 for an everyday driver. Please help, lol

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

That’s a great video idea :)

@kilobak2297

Жыл бұрын

​@@mr_wrongway Yeah, I'm in the same situation and your input would be quite crucial ✌

@jackzhan4933

Жыл бұрын

@@mr_wrongway trying to decide on a 22pro or patton, any last min advice?

@milordas

Жыл бұрын

ofc S22, more universal

@amdinga561

Жыл бұрын

@@mr_wrongway For the last month I was on the fence between these two wheels as well. I finally decided on the Patton but I know a lot of people are trying to make this very decision for themselves right now. I bet that vid would do good numbers.

Finally, a wheel worthy of replacing my Nikola AR. Put in my preorder on Saturday.

Thanks Adam. Do you think this will be better than the Begode Extreme?

This is a wheel I anticipate for certain, although I already trail ride a s22. The Patton would for sure fill that void. It's wide like the s22, I really like that imo it feels more of a natural stance.

Would it be difficult to start as a newbie on this wheel? Looks good..

What do you think about the waterproofing?

I can't wait until I get to try it

It would be cool if you could make a video of your very first times riding euc's !

I'd be real curious to see if Linear Labs would be up for developing a HET Motor to power these beasts - higher torque, lower energy requirements than conventional motors based on testing info.

You really make it look intriguing. How much can the suspension do with a heavy rider?

Feeling a bit less anxiety over being dumb enough to pre order one of these now. If you're comfortable sharing, about how much do you weigh? MyEWheel recommended the 58lbs suspension for riders under 80kg when I ordered mine (I weigh ~60kg) which seemed logical at the time but it seems like everyone says to get the harder suspensions. Granted the biggest jumps I'll do is probably down the curb but I'm just wondering if you have any additional insights on the topic.

EUC are not for jumping ...for now. If they keep iterating on suspensions, I'm sure with a couple of accelerometers you can write software to detect jumps reliably and prepare the wheel for landing at weird angles in some special kind of supersoft mode.

@kilobak2297

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Just couple of capacitors charged up to handle the landing. But the MOSFETs are also big (and expensive) issue I guess.

@submijiru

Жыл бұрын

​@@kilobak2297 ​ I don't jump, but I believe the big problem is, that we demand too much torque in the time it takes for a human to initiate a reaction. I think we instinctively shift our center of weight behind the wheel, not because falling is scary and we want to decelerate, but because we've already developed neural pathways for falling and forward motion in our childhood that skew our perceptions and what we assume is level, which is usually perpendicular to gravitational forces. In other words, we naturally position ourself against a imaginary level surface to optimally absorb the drop. This has a rear bias. The result is that this can affect wheel input significantly, and we demand way more torque than we need, or want, and in the wrong direction. (And from watching people jump, land, and lose balance and fall, it looks like they're going to slow too fast, making lateral control impossible, twist the wheel, and topple over.) These effects can be lessened by adjust to a more positive tilt, making the immediate landing forces on the wheel closer neutral, keeping it going forward and maintaining more speed and demanding less immediate opposite torque. And once you land it can progressively return to initial wheel tilt. This has the added benefit that if a rider tenses up and maintains posture, the wheel applies progressive braking input, and he/she only needs to compensate for lateral forces. It'll just feel like the wheel is reacting super soft initially. And it only needs to do this for a fraction of a second, for maybe a meter of travel. Because a catastrophic landing is chain of events.

@submijiru

Жыл бұрын

@@kilobak2297 Capacitors are so 2023. EUC need only a marginal amount of capacitance, and as production ramps I expect in a couple years BIM for a 126V supercapacitor bank would be cheaper than an extra pack of Molicels to give use that sweet burst and regenerative braking. Still extra weight though.

This wheel has a pretty good top speed but is smaller of course - how is the stability at high speed compared to something larger and heavier like the sherman or sherman S? Is it reasonable to cruise around at 60+ or is it just too unstable?

well done Adam :) Stay Safe

Patton vs S22 Pro for off-roading?😅 I was sure I was getting the s22 pro, but now I'm not sure

Bonjour Comme toi je suis très enthousiaste pour la patton Un futur à voir à long terme 😊

Really great initial review! I remember you had a non blinding light for your OG Sherman. Does it fit for the Patton and is it still beeing sold? I can't find it.

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I don’t know about a light for Patton yet. I’ll figure it out when I get mine. There should be something in the 12V department

Love to see you having fun on this wheel 💪😁 You got me thinking about selling My S22 🙆‍♂😲

Adam, great ride review. Really looking forward to the full review. Can you tell us more about the Patton on stairs? It looked like there were oscilations when going down the stairs, but I haven't heard anyone mention that yet. Is it as noticeable while riding as it is watching? Thanks!

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t do much stairs on Patton because the tire is small which makes stairs uncomfortable. For the little amount I did it was ok

FINALLY the review! My choice is made!!!!!

Great review, Adam! The only thing that was holding me away from this wheel was range. I've heard from other reviewers, that it is more towards 60km range. What was the avarage speed you did your test on? Again, amazing content, thanks for great videos you share with the community ❤️

@BigBoss-gb4cx

Жыл бұрын

He said he's usually around 30mh.

@danmano478

Жыл бұрын

20:26 minute - screenshot from his darknessbot -> Average speed 22km/h.

I ride the sherman max. I weigh 250 lbs and ride an avg of 37-39 mph, i get beeps around 40 to 42 mph so i back off. I usually ride about 25ish miles daily going that speed.

A bit confised thid wheel has similar size with v11 or with nikola?18 or 16inch

Is there a video on how to turn off the patton tlit back mode?

Which suspension would be best for me 62 or 66 lbs? My weight is 72 kg. (And I would use it mostly in the city.)

how can you clean the inside that is hidden by the suspension?

I like this wheel, but I dont see how is it better then the Sherman S for everyday use. SS has better top speed ( though you wont use it because safety concern for me) Better battery, better suspension, better tire size.... The only thing I like is the 126V design and the size.... Which has its disadvantage at the same time.

Glad you're happy with the Patton..I'm personally waiting for my Begode Extreme order instead for this class of euc..I personally prefer to have the extra/ optimum power/ torque (134v/c40 motor) and greater headroom before cutting out/ over torquing (making it safer in this respect), smart bms, 130mm travel suspension and the wider (3" wide) more stable/ more durable rim... will complement my ex30 perfectly as my technical trails/shorter rides wheel, that is optimally agile

Which weight springs did the reviewed wheel have and what was the geared up rider weight?

Adam, great vid as always! I assume you had the high speed mode off? Just wondering, what max cruise speed could patton give on high speed mode and at lower batt levels..?

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

High speed mode was on :)

@tomlinkev

Жыл бұрын

@@mr_wrongway Weird... how did Ronin do 45mph on it then...

@tomlinkev

Жыл бұрын

@@mr_wrongway Hey, Adam, Just got my Patton. The beeps and freespin issue could be the same as in Your review. My patton beeps at 60kph and freespins only up to 80kph no mater if high speed mode is ON or OFF. A friend also got his patton and doesn't have this issue (his beeps at around 70+kph). Did You check the freespin with yours with both speed modes? UPDATE. Just solved it. Someone suggested to adjust voltage in the settings by .1 and the wheel spun to 100kph

...so worked with myewheel, then quit and went to Vancouver for eevees (short leash, slaving under the 2 dudes), then disagreed about los dollaros and came back to myewheel . got it. Cool review.

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

That is not what happened :D I never quit myewheel. I did move to Vancouver for an adventure tho ;) we couldn’t agree on some things with EEVEE’s and stopped cooperating but I still recommend the shop! No harm in the creative freedom was done :)

for a 90kg guy for city comuter and for some fast riding do you choose Patton 66 lbs or Sherman S?

Same price, used v13 or new patton which one should i choose?

Thanks

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! :)

My Patton just came in and have it all set up. I weigh 175 to 180 lbs all in and got the 66lb suspension. Feels like when I step on the wheel I barely feel a drop in the suspension, and not a lot of travel when going over bumps. Anybody else the same weight and on the 66lb. Wondering about changing it out for the 62 lb if that might make it a little more cushy.

its know my 3rd sommer upcomming, riding V11 road city and MTB trails, i think this is the only contender to V11, its just never failed on me, one downside, kind of expensive to ride in the forrest.

Nylonove pads big or normal? As for tire Imotion 12 HT tire would fit and gives more niblness. Nylonove pedals for Patton have not good shape, and not long enough as e-rides pedals

What about the speed mode, have you tried it out? It should be faster than 60km/h. But the PWM tiltback setting is just awesome - definatelly the way to go!

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

That was on high speed mode :)

@CrossroadWater

Жыл бұрын

Ewheels.has the top speed at 50 mph 👀

Maybe that sturdy kickstand stiffens the chassis laterally more than other "fork" wheels? Do you know what brand/type of batteries the Patton has? Ride impressions aside they really do need to reduce the number of fastners. It will be interesting to hear how you go with changing the tire.

@michaeldavidson3349

Жыл бұрын

Samsung 50E batteries

I'd love to know how it compares to KS S22 pro. The KS seems to be superior in following stuff: - higher top speed? - better lights - smart BMS (not sure if Patton has one too) - it's lighter Patton seems to be superior in: - max range - reliability/build quality - trolley handle I'm looking for an EUC that can be pushed hard. Like the one that feels good when you ride it like you stole it. . . . But I'm scared to get Begode xD

@milordas

Жыл бұрын

Patton have bad controller case, imo. Until they redesign it, not worth to bother with sealant silicone at all

@tomato_sliced

Жыл бұрын

Patton has a higher top speed, seems that he left out high speed mode in this review.

@KaizenOz

Жыл бұрын

Smaller wheel on the Patton would be more fun / nimble

@HuyTran-sk3py

Жыл бұрын

But you don't have to spend extra money to get the suspension to function properly on the Patton.

@kilobak2297

Жыл бұрын

@@HuyTran-sk3py S22 Pro has fixed suspension, hasn't it?

Hi Adam, what could you say re seated riding the Patton vs Sherman S? Would you be able to compare?

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

Patton has a wider seat haha. A bit less room for your legs on Patton. Both work pretty well for seated riding

Well, you just helped me make up my mind. Grazzi! I'm old-school and I've been looking for a replacement for my MSP HT. She's in perfect shape with 5000 miles on her and the new upgraded "safe" battery packs but I want a new wheel. I was just waiting for you to share the range. 60 miles is what I'm looking for. SOLD! / Anyone interested in a mint condition wheel? Hollywood, USA

How’s seated riding on it?

The patton or the Max ? Still prefered the Max?

Hey! You didn't enable High speed mode properly and that's why it's beeping at 50kph! You need add +1 on the volatage reading screen before turning HS to on. Which will set free spin to 100kph

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

Hi there! I’ll check that out when I get the wheel back, thanks! :) thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!

@alexeydmitrouk2514

8 ай бұрын

Hi! I've got the same issue, I think. Maximum free spin speed is 79-80 km/h in any software versions, any setting- everything is set on maximum, no limits. Sure High Speed Mode (HSM) is On. But no results. It looks like my Patton has no HSM at all. ((( Could you please provide more detailed instruction - what is required to do to enable HSM? Sorry, I can't understand it from the description above.

Great ride review Adam, great to see you so excited about a wheel, it should be fun. Can you tell us overall body/battery pack width, overall pedal width, and free standing pedal height, these are important for me on off road riding.

the camera that shows the tail light could be mounted directly to the wheel and you show us how bumpy the road that u are going to ride on that will show us if the suspension is balanced correctly to ur weight and how well and how soft the suspension is u could also compare the suspension to other wheels/ (if u make it too soft the test won't matter) not a pro yet don't knoww what i am saying maybe this could work?

I dont like bad surprises.Better waiting one year before buying a new euc.😊

how much maintenance do you expect the shocks will require, and how often?

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know yet. We will see.

@KaizenOz

Жыл бұрын

Good point that hasn’t been addressed, do veteran offer a maintenance kit, with new seals / oil etc?

@danmano478

Жыл бұрын

@@mr_wrongway In case of suspension defect, can we block the suspension and ride the wheel like a non-suspension one?

Patton is pure next GEN with epic power this i like but i can aford one EUC this year what you recomend me change sherman original to Sherman S 66lbs or MSP HT to Patton 66lbs? My problem withh sherman OG is cant ride me to big inclines here. MSP HT no have any problem but is 3+year old 5000km and is Begode safety main place i use MSP is hills where sherman no have chance. What you think?

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

I think the Patton will deliver you the most fun! Especially as a MSP replacement. I feel the same (or more) fun on it coming from similar wheels as you.

Why are there so many negatives comments dang people should spend more time on being positive. Making videos isn't as easy as it seems ALSO we ALL make mistakes in life. Peace to Y'all ✌ Adam great job on explaining in great detail all your findings and opinions on this wheel. I am about to buy the S22 PRO but should i wait for this one instead? Thanks 👊

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your positivity! I don’t know! Depends on your priorities :) I guess I should make a comparison video

@PEVRidersClub

Жыл бұрын

@@mr_wrongway 💯‼️ you should for sure

The 16x has also high torque. We need torque tests to compare well.

@mr_wrongway

Жыл бұрын

Right! Forgot about this one. It’s not that high speed though and the torque is less than Patton/Begode HT. 16X can do 40° inclines but not 45 like Patton (almost). Much more power and torque in the Patton!

Hi Adam! Would you prefer the Patton above the S22 Pro? I would like to go more off than on-road but also would like to have enough range for my rides. Thank you! :)

@MaximilianGros

Жыл бұрын

You should also ask yourself if you are willing to regularly open up your wheel and swap damaged rollers.

@Usakhu

Жыл бұрын

@@MaximilianGros which do you mean with bad rollers? kingsong?

@MaximilianGros

Жыл бұрын

@@Usakhu Yes. The roller sliders need regular maintenance. So does the suspension on the Patton but I think less common. However, no one knows what that should look like with Veteran wheels, not even with the Sherman S.

@Usakhu

Жыл бұрын

@@MaximilianGros what do you mean? lol

@MaximilianGros

Жыл бұрын

@@Usakhu What exactly?

11:20: What are "usual" power modes? I know of High Speed Mode and Normal Speed Mode. How does the range compare between those 2 modes? Ie. High mode got you: x miles, normal mode got you: x miles. What's "Low Power Mode"? You said not to use low power mode because it's bad for your battery, how so? I'm an experienced dirt bike and wheel rider at 95kg-102kg (210lbs no gear---225lbs gear) and deciding whether Sherman S or Patton is the ticket. Both super capable, but I'm more concerned with suspension springs not rated heavy enough for me at my weight, with jumps, over long term. Sherman S seems smoother and more suited for my weight, intuitively, but if the Patton also feels smooth and poppy and won't bottom out on jumps and stairs, then I prefer the Patton. I'll most likely end up with both, but the Sherman S is probably better suited for my overall riding comfort. Which wheel has the smoothest, buttery-iest, softest suspension that will keep my back, knees, and hips not feeling it? Seems Sherman S is the couch king currently