The cynical betrayal of Elite Dangerous by it's developers: Frontier Developments , stands out in stark contrast to the penitent fidelity and commitment shown by Hello Games to No Man's Sky.

@uncle1sstvan

5 ай бұрын

Poetry.

@dawienel1142

5 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more, have over 500 hours in No Man's Sky and still loving it especially the Expeditions these days.

@kahldris1228

4 ай бұрын

I can't get into no man sky though acknowledge it's a good game. If only elite had developers like nms... would have been amazing.

@uncle1sstvan

4 ай бұрын

@@kahldris1228 i feel it. I wanted elite to flush out into so much, multicrew, squadrons and vr for fps would have helped immensly but no, they felt the need to exclusively patch any decent methods of making money and leaving coop behind.

@sc_cintara

3 ай бұрын

"penitent fidelity" Love it! 😆

The grind in Elite is definitely way too much, but I'd be lying if I didn't say back in 2020 during the lockdown, I spent a couple hundred hours just mining asteroids and building my credits and really enjoyed it. I felt it was kind of relaxing. I'd just put some lofi on and chill, and fight off the occasional pirate lol.

@escapetarkov3838

6 ай бұрын

Fr, the money grind was on point I believe but the engineering……. Good god man.

@BSD_TTV

6 ай бұрын

Amen. I just wish there was more to work for other than a fleet carrier

@TheLoneLlama

6 ай бұрын

It was the perfect pandemic game

@BlakedaBull

6 ай бұрын

there's a good 60 hours of content + the 20 hours to get all that content. (odyssey seems disgusting.)

@joetuktyyuktuk8635

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, that was when Elite was more fun for me... the amount of time you need to invest, to gather materials, money etc. You need the time to play all day really.

X4 is always in my heart as the best space sim, it has the perfect loop and even some story bits to player who need context to work.

@peterschlage8789

6 ай бұрын

love to have mult/player option

@efxnews4776

6 ай бұрын

You should play Eve Online then.

6 ай бұрын

same

@Kloashut

6 ай бұрын

@@peterschlage8789 there is. but mostly for vanilla game.

@jl3114

4 ай бұрын

What makes the controls so bad in X4? Is it tolerable? Some people found Timesplitters 2 aiming system intolerable but I got used to it

Imagine a game with: the scale of Elite, the variaty of No Man's Sky, the economy of X4, the graphics of Star Citizen and the of Starfield 👌

@efxnews4776

6 ай бұрын

i think you meant the combat of Starfield right? I actually prefer the combat of ME Andromeda.

@StarContract

6 ай бұрын

@@efxnews4776 I meant that Shatfield got absolutely nothing to offer but cringe 😊

@efxnews4776

6 ай бұрын

@@StarContract ah ok! lol

@jasonfields9589

6 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you here. Sometimes it seems that developers create games in a vacuum (pun intended). Just to pick on starfield seeing as it’s the latest addition to the genre. Surely as a developer, you would play the shit out of the leading games in the genre to see what they do well and what they fail on. Elite and NMS are great for immersion, with the seamless transition between planets and space, but fail with the billions of star systems, creating a game universe that is an ocean wide but an inch deep. SC has the detail within ships, but not enough star systems and seems to suffer from a lack of direction by trying to be all things without strong narrative and lore to complete the package. Imagine starfield with a smaller selection of hand crafted systems, full planetary exploration without immersion breaking loading screens and the same procedurally generated buildings everywhere, vehicles, the current shipbuilding and outpost building, combined with the lore and story content.

@KnowToChill

6 ай бұрын

The Grafiks from StarField? Are you drunk?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I think I like X4 the most feels like actual development is happening.

@efxnews4776

6 ай бұрын

I heard there would be a last update about post ending game content, then they will move on to X5. Folks are asking Egosoft about planetary mechanics, but i don't think they can do this with the current game engine, so it is most likely they will do in the next entry. I'm supsect to talk about X4, because i have 3500 hours in this game, but to me is the best of them all.

@Kloashut

6 ай бұрын

@@efxnews4776 7.0 will probably the last update before x5

@GuardianOfRlyeh

5 ай бұрын

@@efxnews4776 a few years ago I started playing the first X and struggled with it's simple design (well, that games is from '99, lol). A few days ago I installed X4 with all expansions and I think I will play this for a very long time. Getting into it can be a bit difficult (I didn't watch any tutorials) but every time I play I learn something new and the fun is kicking in. A X5 with a more modern engine and planetary exploration would be awesome.

@dawienel1142

5 ай бұрын

For me in NMS, the latest DLC and the expedition game mode really hooked me for the second time now. Going for over 1000 hours in the game, the highest hours I have on any single player game which is the way I normally play it.

@geekey265

5 ай бұрын

@@efxnews4776 7.0 is probably not going to be the last update. They've got a few more in them from my conversations with the devs i think.

If i got nothing else from my 1100 hours in elite dangerous, finding your channel a couple years ago will always have been worth it

“At least in Starfield you can build your own ship.” No Man’s Sky 4 months later: “Funny you should mention that…”

It feels like - if Elite had a better Dev team, it could be wiping the floor with the other games by this point - but of course, it down't have a better Dev team.

@sharkpyro93

4 ай бұрын

at this rate we are lucky if elite will be a thing altogheter in 2024, the FD financial situation is that bad

Oh, you can fight in X4 and it is quite nice. There is everything from a small figther to behemoths of a monstrous cargo ships or even battleships. But in mid game you have typically a fleet. You still could jump into your trusty fighter and could take on the evil guys that way. Or you just stay in your battleship and order your gunners to blast those punks to space dust.

@adamantiumreaver4283

6 ай бұрын

Im in love with everything X4 presents, but it just doesn’t clicks with me no matter how many times I download it. I try it, but it feels like it demands a lot of time. My biggest problem is I dont know how to make money or what to even do at the beginning of the game. Any advice?

@KrokettenKapitaen

6 ай бұрын

@@adamantiumreaver4283 This is a really good beginner's guide: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rJN6mM2xZ6jSm6g.html What I like to do is send 1-2 Pegasus scouts to the gate to the Xenon sector with repeat orders "collect containers" in Hatikvahs choice 1. Every now and then you have to meet with the pilot, talk to him and tell him to hand over his inventory to you. Now you can then sell the stuff. Alternatively, there is also an order later, that sends the ships to HQ, where they transfer their inventory to the station inventory in your office. You can also station additional ships in other sectors that border on Xenon sectors.

@Kloashut

6 ай бұрын

@@adamantiumreaver4283 Grind if you can manage but if money/time is the biggest issue you can install a mod that gives enough credits for the whole play through. itś a cheap approach but if it makes you enjoy the game, who cares? (nexus or steam workshop). If you dont know what to do in the beginning, there are different starts of which some take you by the hand learning all the essentials.

@Lucpol1986

6 ай бұрын

Don’t forget carriers…:)

@Lucpol1986

6 ай бұрын

@@adamantiumreaver4283Best to watch KZread tutorials I found, which you can follow initially. Once you understand the fundamentals (and depending on the nature of the play-through), it takes around 30-50 hours to set-up ready for automation - I.e. minimal input :). Initially however, it does take a while to learn the ins & outs imho.

Having played all of these, it's only Star Citizen I keep going back to - something about the multicrew just elevates it IMHO.

@escapetarkov3838

6 ай бұрын

Same and Ed. Ed’s got the exploration and thargoids. Sc has multi crew an fidelity. Both are a rinse and repeat game sadly doing the same thing over and over.

@escapetarkov3838

6 ай бұрын

@@1aatlas Very true

@christianedwards9025

6 ай бұрын

Boo this comment sections smells like lame wet noodles. Guys guys! I feel it coming! Nnggrrrhn ffffrrrtttt. There you have it guys, Shart Fart Citizen.

@dawienel1142

5 ай бұрын

In my case its NMS that I keep going back to, the immersiveness, end game rewards, expedition game mode and exploration hooked me on it. Going for 1000 hours now and loving the latest DLC.

@brettmarino6784

3 ай бұрын

How did you get yours to work? mine won’t even respond I was told I have to wait for a patch

I think you are underselling X4 by a long margin here. True, there's trading in X4, but that's the least of it really. The tagline of the X series is "Trade. Fight. Build. Think." and X is the only game of all that were mentioned where you can go from flying a tiny little scout ship, barely surviving repairing satellites and doing asteroid surveys, all the way to leading a gargantuan space empire with your own station complexes and fleets of ships, taking over sectors, toppling entire factions and even dominating the galaxy. Yes, you CAN go from "zero to hero" in X, in fact, the entire game is all about that journey. HOW you accomplish that is up to you. Yes, there's a fully simulated economy that reacts to supply and demand and your choices can and will influence how a sector or even a faction fares down the line. You can build a trade empire with fleets of mining and trading ships ferrying goods to and from your factory complexes across the sectors and win by sheer capitalism. You can raise a mercenary company and fight huge space battles, working for whoever you please (or pays the most). Or you can turn pirate, allying yourself with one of the pirate factions or making your own, taking whatever you please and living by your own rules. Or you can do ALL of those at once. There are also multiple storylines you can follow, with each expansion introducing a new one (or even several), where you can become a secret agent, a mercenary, a diplomat, a pirate or even all of those, taking part in events and stories that shape the universe around you and your choices have lasting consequences. Sure, the writing and acting is all over the place in terms of quality, but at least you can feel you are part of something more than just flying around blindly, trying to find something to do. I have thousands of hours in multiple X games, and they're some of the best games I've ever played....despite their shortcomings. Yes, EGOSOFT is a small studio, they don't have the manpower or the funding of giants like Bethesda, Frontier or CIG, but they have something these don't: heart. Sure, EGOSOFT's releases are always terrible, their games are DOA, terribly broken, neigh unplayable messes. It happens every time. BUT! They never gave up on a single one of their games. Yea, it usually takes years, but with the help of the community and modders they fix up the game to not only basically working but being some of the best sims out there. EGOSOFT is not the best studio out there, but they are persistent, tenacious, and they love what they do. Similarly, the X games are not the prettiest or easiest to get into, but once you get past the initial hurdles, the UI, the controls, it has quite a quaint charm with insanely deep game mechanics and tons of possibilities.

@efxnews4776

6 ай бұрын

3500 hour on it, and i regreat nothing!

@cajltd1737

6 ай бұрын

Hear, hear! The only game I ever fell in love with... Don't know my hours, but still playing it religiously! ❤

@RMMinc

6 ай бұрын

Well, Yamiks could only play so much of x4 so his view is understandable. Early game is indeed all about trading thanks to Egosoft decision to make enemies realisticly created instead of spawning them out of thin air like x3 did. So elite combat in its first hours is magnitude more enjoyable. The combat x4 can do like noone else is a medium to big fleet battles. Nothing feels like jumping into the sector with your carrier, ordering your bombers to perform a strike on the enemy capital to then PERSONALY jump into one of them snipe the capital's parts or fight other fighters. The sheer specticle of diving into AA fire with 50 other bombers is great. And no other game can do it. But it all comes after like 20-30 hours of economic grind with weak 1v1 fighter combat, which many players sadly wouldn't go through. Which is easily fixed by adding x3 like combat missions but devs dont want to do it.

@cajltd1737

6 ай бұрын

@@RMMinc Sure, but there's more to life than just combat...

Starsector and space bourne 2 should be on the list.

Got elite recently actually, put about 20 hours into it so far. The pure massiveness and the really supportive (to me at least, not to the company lmfao) players have kept me really engaged. I want to go exploring, go kill some pirate, whatever!! It’s just been so enjoyable and I really hope they pull their head out of their a- and bring the game back into relevancy.

@timothyhartwell2849

Ай бұрын

Not gonna happen man sorry.

So glad you gave X4 a shout out, agree with all you said, really difficult game to play and learn but then given the size of the team and the scope of the game its pretty incredible. Those menus's though... eeeps. Having said that, I really enjoy Odyssey.... *ducks* the onfoot engineering system is terrible but I like the on foot stuff!

"Egosoft would like to thank your for buying their game" intercom click

X4 is my favorite of the options. 1,444 hours into it and I’m nowhere near being finished.

@hybrid9mm

6 ай бұрын

I’m so jealous, my pc died so I’m stuck on ps5 for now.

@efxnews4776

6 ай бұрын

3500 hours, and i didn't even finished the game!

@planexshifter

6 ай бұрын

I’m sorry to hear that @hybrid9mm Power supply crap out on ya? Don’t be too jealous, I’m just rocking an RX580 with a Ryzen 5 2600 on a terribly old micro ATX board

@hybrid9mm

6 ай бұрын

@@planexshifter it was an old sli rig the mobo gave out. I do have a pc but it’s a retro system for my old games (win xp) I’ll get a new one put together once i have finished my other projects.

SC is my preference and I have two questions. One griefing in star citizen? after playing for 2+ years only once been lured into an unwanted confrontation. Two pay to skip when the two best fighters can be bought for around 1mil AUEC which equals not even a weeks' worth of play. for the most your synopsis is correct. This is still one of the best sources to see how space sims stack up and is still one of my first places to come before I check out a space game. Mainly the no bull approach and relatively objective view.

@dawienel1142

5 ай бұрын

It's No Man's Sky for me, since I like the art style and gameplay loop, reminds me of Freelancer but better in the ways I like. Will give SC a go once they actually finish the game, for now there is not enough for me to sink my teeth in.

@reynardtv1

5 ай бұрын

@@dawienel1142 I don't think they will ever be finished with SC but I would recommend checking it out during free fly events to see if there is enough content for you. Just note performance is always at its worst during these times. I like what is there already, but I will always recommend checking it out first even thou it isn't that expensive.

Each of these games has elements that I want in my ultimate space game but not one individual game comes close to the full package, unfortunately. I'm wondering if I'll ever see that in my lifetime.

love x4 once turned my h.q into a borg cube with nothing but laser on the outside and part for ships to get in and out it tock hours no weeks to make but was worth it to see what somthing like that could do

I long for a remake or a sequel to my all time favorite space sim: Freelancer. Freelancer nailed every checkmark for me that none of the games in this video were able to nail down. Sure they may have done better in one or more aspects, but never all of them at once. Freelancer had a simple yet wonderful control scheme, that made it easy to pick up and play but remain engaging even for veteran players, as each ship had different handling characteristics and weapon diversity allowed for interesting setups all the way to the end. The galaxy was massive not because it was procedurally generated or because there were a lot of stars (there wasn't, only 53 systems) but because everything was handcrafted. The bases, derelicts, even the lore and background story of both the galaxy and the individual factions. It displays the meaning of the difference between wide and shallow, and narrow and deep. It had beautiful design, from the effects of the weapons, to the actual shape of the ships, to the awe-inspiring starscape itself. Every star system, and I mean EVERY system, was beautiful, like flying inside a photo from Hubble or James Webb. And finally, it had a GOD-TIER sound design. The hum of the engines, the sound of weapon fire, the death screams of your enemies as you shoot them down... and the music. Out of everything, the music has stayed with me all these years. The modding community is keeping it alive, and I hear theres an effort to reverse engineer its source code. Microsoft has no idea what they're sitting on.

@efxnews4776

6 ай бұрын

Who made Freelancer? It wasn't Chirs Roberts? Well, guess wich game he is doing now? STAR CITIZEN / SQUADRON 42!

@TheLoneLlama

6 ай бұрын

I mean dude, star citizen is the sequel to freelancer. That’s Chris Roberts dream.

@nightstar2197

6 ай бұрын

I hope Star Citizen lives up to its hype and is a good spiritual successor to Freelancer!

“First of all, pfft, YES YOU CAN. Second of all, YOU CANT STOP ME.” Instant like.

Still rooting for SQ42... we need a proper WIng Commander follow up these days.

Others might be flashier, but my heart is with Egosoft

I have played all of them, though I didn't really get that far into X4 (I played X3 extensively). I still plan on doing X4 properly at some point, as you say, the X series is a hidden gem! I miss Eve Online in this comparison: It isn't first person, but trading, ship combat, mining, etc are there. It isn't really that much of a sim either, but nor are X4, NMS or Star Field. NMS did a fantastic come back (the biggest come back of any game ever I think), but it's style isn't hard core enough for me. For Star Field, fast travel made the galaxy feel tiny, space flight is close to non-existent and in the end loading screens killed it for me entirely. It is a Bethesda adventure, but it is just barely a space game. I used to play a lot of Elite Dangerous. Elite Dangerous is still unbeatable when it comes to space exploration, especially if you are a bit of a space nerd and interested in the star systems and all the weird (real!) astronomical features out there. Going across the galaxy is a huge undertaking and very satisfying, it really feels like an expedition! The game I ended up playing the most (the one I still play) is Star Citizen. For multi-player game play, Star Citizen is unbeatable. Yes, it is a buggy mess, but the amount of messing around you can do with friends in that very deep simulation is incredible! It is a fantastic sandbox to fool around with in a group. I agree that it is pay-to-skip, but that is nothing compared to pay-to-win. At least not if you mean pay-to-win in it's original meaning, which is in a PvP MMO. Balance isn't perfect, but you certainly can not beat someone more skilled than you by paying! Also, it is not in any way the pay-to-progress that some games have, where you need to wait for days to progress unless you pay. In Star Citizen it is quite easy to make in-game money and there is basically nothing that you can't get in-game. If you just play the game there isn't any reason at all to pay real money for anything in Star Citizen unless you like it so much that you donate to keep the game going. A surprising number of people do donate for that reason and this is the real reason why there are such expensive game packages. They are there because they want to give you a token reward when you donate and that means they need huge ship packages if someone feels like donating huge amounts.

@randlebrowne2048

6 ай бұрын

The only real reason to spend more real money to purchase a ship is to avoid the occasional server wipe. Once the game is officially "released" and server wipes become a thing of the past, even the perceived "need" to buy more than a cheap starting ship will disappear. I've accumulated a bit over $1,200 spent in the games so far. As an early backer, this is actually less money than I'd have spent in a subscription-based MMO over the same amount of time. Anytime I feel the urge to buy a newly released ship, I just recycle some of my previous ones for store credit.

@paul1979uk2000

6 ай бұрын

I remember when I backed Star Citizen around a decade ago, I spent around £50 on it, got 2 basic ship, I think it was 10,000 credits, Star Citizen and Squadron 42. I remember saying to myself that I didn't want to buy the more expensive bigger ships, not out of rewarding CIG but more out of that I wanted to start the games on the bones of my arse and build up with little to nothing, as I felt that would be far more rewarding than buying a lot of the bigger ships. But I've no problem with gamers spending a lot more to buy the expensive ships, the game needs funding in one form or another. Also, like you said, everything in game can be earned by just playing the game and as long as it's not excessive when it comes to grinding for them, I don't think most gamers will have anything to worry about and if I'm not mistaken, the funding model for Star Citizen after release is game sales and DLC contents, so Squadron 42 and future contents on that, everything else in Star Citizen MMO can be earned in game, unless anything has changed.

@CorkersDenizens

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for typing what I didn't have the energy to and saving my thumbs o7

@thierrybo6304

3 ай бұрын

I like it too as a solo player who avoid combats, i like just being a pilot moving cargo all over the verse.

Just wanted to drop a note here commending you for what feels like a pretty clear comparison involving Star Citizen...which most internet streamers seem incapable of. Nice work!

@christianedwards9025

6 ай бұрын

Fart Citizen, nice sounds 100% accurate. Lol

@randymorris5296

6 ай бұрын

@@christianedwards9025 Sorry, I don't get it.

@christianedwards9025

6 ай бұрын

@@randymorris5296 I'm joking someone farted in no man skys space timeline and now we have Fart citizen.

@JSAC_

6 ай бұрын

​@@randymorris5296think he meant barffield he's just getting held up a bit by loading screens

The main thing about Elite's controls is that there's a ton of them. I'm using a x56 HOTAS which has: 3 up down left right "joysticks", 2 analog joysticks, 7 two-wayed switches(each switch can have two different things controlled by clicking it forwards or backwards), 3 scroll wheels, main joystick(can also twist for yaw), main trigger, 3-4 bonus buttons, second lower trigger, and the throttle lever. All of that combines to a total of 12+2+14+3+6+1+4+1+1= 44 inputs at least. Most of them are used when I'm playing elite, some are not because I don't know which is where or they're not useful for me at the moment.

@TUROCK320

Ай бұрын

In star citizen thé fucking 44 bind are not enough 🥳🤣🥹 Hooefully we can use modifier liké HOLD or DOUBLE TAPE for more keybind ❤

I don't agree with your view of X4 combat. You have: Several different ship classes (instead of S/M/L in Elite), carriers, resupply ships, bombers, different larger ship classes like frigates and destroyers, different RACIAL weapons with special abilities, you can target subsystems, you're able to board ships and you can play the game even as a fragile fighter pilot - using just a simple mod that teleports you to your closest owned ship when you're destroyed. You can salvage the destroyed bigger ships and you can even hack them. Oh and Engineering (modding) of ships is also possible! In my opinion, X4 BEATS the other games in grand scale ship warfare MANY times. The only thing X4 doesn't have is the good flight model of Elite Dangerous. And the UI. Damn that fkn UI!

@TheYamiks

6 ай бұрын

combat mechanics are HORIBLE. piloting is unintuitive, simplistic and downright confusing, not to mention the quality of physics simulation with vectoring and thrusters. so ye NO.. it's BAD!

@Minoseth

6 ай бұрын

@@TheYamiks It doesn't have the flight model of Elite, like I said. But it shines with much more variety and large scale battles. Fighting whole factions is no task of "single ships"; it's formations against formations. And to be the Captain of a Destroyer, carefully maneuvering your fleet into battle, managing your Strike Craft and other biggies while your turrets fire and the ship shakes will never get old imo. But yeah if you like dogfights, there are better candidates out there, primarily Elite. I agree here.

@erik-martin

6 ай бұрын

I've always said if X4 had the flight model of Elite it would be the best space sim ever.

@Minoseth

6 ай бұрын

@@erik-martin absolutley. And if they would add planets and exploration in X5 (even with a smaller galaxy!) it would be SO AWESOME!

@corinthiansdaniels3728

6 ай бұрын

​@@TheYamiks why isn't spacebourne 2 on this list

I originally tought that the "I held the line" was somewhat a nod to Mass Effect? the salarians do that "Hold the line" speech on M1 "We held the line".

if you are interested in x4 you also can build an empire taking over sectors and there is a starwars mod that converts the map and ships

Coming from someone who grew up on Tie Fighter, X-Wing, Wing Commander and miss those days, I recently got back into the genre looking for that space combat feel with a little extra. I actually researched the hell out of every title mentioned (minus Starfield, wasnt' out yet) and settled on X4. I agree with the steep learning curve and UI but after I customized my controls, I was right at home. I didn't realize it but that little extra I was missing were fleet battles and control of ships larger than a fighter. Of all the games, X4 does this best with different classes, sizes, and purpose built ships with customization of function while also adding character to each one. I'll happily forgo the FPS stuff for compelling space combat with fleets anyday. If you haven't given X4 a chance, I highly recommend it. After you get the hang of the gameplay and economy, download the Star Wars mod! There's nothing like commanding a fleet of Star Destroyers.

Thank you for doing this comparison. Very useful and entertaining.

Another excellent Yamiks video. Keep up the excellent work my favorite Latvian. Space Engineers just improved their FPS vs critters model. I'd love to see Yamiks try survival mode on an alien planet with spiders turned on.....

You took the horse deep on this dive. 🐴 Great video, I appreciate the work and above all, it's nice to have an up to date comparison out there for those that enjoy space sims. Thank you so much 🙌

5775 hours into elite dangerous and still playing bgs without ripping my eyeballs out of it's sockets.

I've built a space elevator in No Man's Sky. I've also built a large low-orbit base and several low-orbit mining outpost landing pads. Like... yeah, no. None of these have anything on No Man's Sky in terms of base building. The stuff you can do is nuts.

@the_seer_0421

9 күн бұрын

Agreed. One of the most fun aspects of the game.

The only one of these I haven't tried is X4, and I often think I should give it a go sometime. The one that surprised me the most was Star Citizen. After being burned by Elite Dangerous: Odyssey, I went in with a healthy dose of cynicism, and now I'm fully on board with it. I wouldn't call myself an evangelist - the manipulative and occasionally downright scummy practices of its marketing and monetisation really make me cringe, and I always tell people it's not worth buying _yet_ unless you're _really_ interested in trying it - but, given enough time, I honestly believe CIG's devs can deliver that amazing, immersive space sim I always wanted Elite to be, and contrary to what its many detractors might say, it's pretty clear to me how insanely difficult the task they've set themselves is, and how hard they're working to get it done. For what they're promising, I can wait. And if it goes belly-up before they can finish it... I've spent a grand total of about sixty Quid on it (I traded my Aurora for a Pisces), and I've already had an absolute blast during the time I've spent with it. A hell of a lot more fun than I had with Starfield, anyway. And with about the same amount of frustrating bugs (and a much larger number of hilarious ones).

actually impressive comparrison and detail across the board. ED still my favorate and it's engineering wall grind really silently wrote my love letter for it as I've yet to really play it in a long minute, that and oddesy completely murdering VR support... literally the only reason I ever got vr in the first place was to play Elite and get lost in the immersion as it ran great in it too.

I've been looking at X4 off and on for a while now. I finally pulled the trigger when it and all of its expansions were on sale recently. I haven't actually booted it up yet though. Once I get through a couple of other games I'll dive in. The one thing is, there's a huge Star Wars mod for the game and I'm kinda tempted to just install that. I really should just play the base game. But pulling into the landing bay on a Star Destroyer has always had massive appeal for me. In modded X4, you can pull into the landing bay on your own Star Destroyer and then fly it around. It's a hard proposition to pass on.

@efxnews4776

6 ай бұрын

Listen from someone who has played both the vanila and the SW mod for X4... you don't want to do that immediatelly, the overal quality of the mod isn't on par with the quality of the vanila game, you should try the vanila game first, then if you didn't feel like it is your thing, try out the mod. Belive me, i have 3500 hours of gameplay, and from all this time, 300 was with the SW mod, it's not good enough to skip the main game.

@ashamahee

6 ай бұрын

@@efxnews4776 its funny that there is an actual game where the base/vanilla is so damn good that the best mods are mere enhancements or additions, not overhauls :) I love X4, its such an amazing game.

@egoaut

6 ай бұрын

I love both, but have just a few hours on star wars mod. Its feels like another game.

@Kloashut

6 ай бұрын

@@efxnews4776 this!

I've been rooting for Egosoft since X3: Reunion back in 2005. I never got anywhere in the game, but it was still cool.

Honestly? For me? X4 I played all games listed here and even tho I really like Starfield, I enjoy the promise of Star Citizen, I value the work put into NMS and I'm at awe of artstyle and sound design of Elite - It's X4 that truly gives me a freedom of exploration and activities while at the same time being a game that truly opens up a multiple ways to play the game. You can literally play it almost like an grand strategy OR completly ditch that and play as a solo merc or smuggler. You can do quests and enjoy RPG aspects or focus on economy and other space-sim elements Not to mention huge amount of ships, walking on stations and ship interiors, space combat and so much more. Fantastic game

@CERBEREX63

5 ай бұрын

This is true, but due to the fact that the game has such a huge level of simulation of the game world (the highest of all space games), at some stage of the game everything comes down to the CPU performance limit. The simulation is so cool that it definitely needs a client-server architecture to separate its processing from the gameplay processing.

I just tried an expedition for the first time in NMS and was really impressed with how much it changed the game up

Well done on this epic space shippy gamey documentary Yamiks!

Really entertaining! Thanks for putting this together

I have 420 hours in No Man's Sky (nice) and 130 in Starfield so far. I haven't tried the others, mainly because I'm not a huge fan of the space simulation side of things (trading, ship combat, etc). I love No Man's Sky because you get a cool sense of pride finding something nobody else ever will. The base building is also great, and the continuous free updates show that the developers actually care about the player base, and not just out to make a buck. I love Starfield for the story and dialogue, especially the companions. I also get lost for hours in the ship creator. I also agree with the FPS implementation; I like being able to go all out or stealth, kind of like Far Cry. Both games are vastly different and for that reason, I like them both.

X4 is definitely a good pick to try out and learn. It's a very hard game yes, to this day I have no idea how to create a reasonable trade loop without universal traders but it's a game that constantly rewards progression. It has that passion in holding the vision you rarely see and it is so much better than the older games in actually rewarding time investment. For real, mine a few crystals on the surface of roids and you can get a half-decent heavy fighter. From there: The universe.

out of all of these X4 was my favorite so far, can't wait for Star Citizen full mode though ...

I have over 1000 hours of elite and I just dont remember playing that much, making interstellar deliveries is fun

Addition to pros for No Man's Sky: Base building. Exploration, coop, sure - but additionally, if you are into base building, No Man's Sky lets you do some absolutely crazy things if you have the planning skills and patience for it. (I built a space elevator, for example. And a low-orbit base on a different planet. No, really. You can do that kind of thing, it's crazy.)

Loving the genre, and owning all these games (and some others not mentioned here), I would say that X4 is the best of the bunch. Star Citizen would be stellar, if it existed as a finished product, but is a completely unoptimized mess of bugs and crashes at the moment. Elite Dangerous is the exploration game per excellence, but with nothing other than radiant quests and mechanisms, gets boring real fast. Starfield is good until the illusion breaks (basically when you realize that those pirate bases are repeated templates, or see alien temples next to colonies). And anyway, this is not a space simulator, the little sequence in space is not deserving of it, which is a shame considering building block by block your ship is cool. But X4? I love so much things about it. I love that this is truly a simulated universe at the faction level (the factions capability to build fleet depends on their economy), as well as at the station level,stations produce goods and work according to supply and demand, and all the traders out there are really hauling goods from station to station feeding this economy. The simulation is so good that the universe will change over time, sectors being taken over by a faction or another, and for example economic piracy is a valid strategy, against a competitor station, or even empire. I love that you can build your own stations, hence producing goods and creating an industrial empire; That all products are part of a long supply and demand chain which starts with minerals mined from asteroids, and ends with the building of ships and stations themselves. Hence you can literally by the end game have an economy with fleets of miners and haulers, and mass produce fighters and battleships. I love that you can not simply control your own ship, but that you can have wingmen/patrols/fleets, and that when entering war, you can just as much control your own battleship or fighter, or simply watch from the bridge of your capital ship, give orders and witness the firework. I love that you can conquer sectors and build your own empire (or get wrecked because you got cocky after aquiering a few battleships and believing yourself able to declare war on a faction). Basically, there is here a feeling of building up something and really impact the dynamic universe during your (long) playthrough that you don't find in other games where you are simply stuck in your small ship. Right now, after a playthrought where I had a mining operation, this time I am playing a mercenary, with at this point a little wing of 7 Peregrine gunboats, trying to help the Argon federation and their antigone allies to fend off a xenon invasion in the Hatikva Fate and Void sectors. Right now, I am refitting my ships so that we can go take down a xenon destroyer which has just destroyed the argon trading hub in the Void. BTW the shooter aspect is actually fun, particularly as it is often a combat involving a bunch of ships, and that I have to manage my wingmen on top of fighting myself (don't want to loose any of them, the pilots and overall crews of those ships are all starting to have good skills, and raising personnal skill level is a slow process).

I believe in the dream of Star Citizen and hopefully we will soon (tm) see if the dream can come true when they finally add server meshing. If this resolves the server issues we have a really good game on our hands. If it doesn't then we are fckd but hopefully at least the singleplayer will be decent.

@TitusFlavius11

6 ай бұрын

After the Citcon I shifted from complete skepticism to very cautious optimism. We’ll see how it goes.

I played Starfield, ED and NO man's sky amd of the 3 I liked Starfield the least. No man's sky and it's base building as well as the planetary exploring seem to give it an edge. The grind in ED is dull and makes it a repetitive experience. HOWEVER, the immersion beats all the other games by a mile and the first time you fly your Clipper into a high risk/high reward RES has not been beaten yet. Yes, really, I used the Clipper instead of the 'glorious' Python, on my first try. 🙈 I just bought X4 and will give it a good go, as I love Stellaris and the mixture of ED and the former sounds really good to me.

It's amazing how much they added to NMS over the years, but it doesn't fix the "boring" aspect of the main gameplay loop, which is one of my big gripes with this game. Unlike Minecraft, which makes you forget that you're always doing the same thing thanks to clever level generation, NMS is just pretty much the same no matter where you go, and the upgrades don't make exploration better, only less annoying. I wish it had the game design of Subnautica, where you need better upgrades and tech to explore more dangerous regions to get better materials and upgrades, etc. In NMS you can quickly get the best warp drive and travel to any system, and they are not that different from each others.

@the_seer_0421

9 күн бұрын

Exactly on point. It's my only real issue with the game (besides performance but let's stay on the gameplay). If it posed more of a challenge and had a more dynamic and thought out progression, it would be potentially the best game of this kind in my eyes. Despite that it's still a good sandbox adventure game and you can have a lot of fun with it. It's just not something I could really sink my teeth into in the same way as terraria for example.

The grind in Elite doesn't bother being that it's such a great experience in VR. Definitely my chill game even playing in the open.

For frog face the game to run at 30fps on pc is great, that's the best his limited knowledge can provide. I will always prefer ED, it has got us through the rough times of lockdown, and the grind was actually the best part of it, I can't even remember how many billions I've made mining Void Opal.

I played them all. In the end x4 wins. Not the most friendly to starting gamers but the sandbox changes with every starting game. Plenty of user made mods and a great support by its developers. Nothing beats the quick jump from a scout ship to a small or medium fighter in an immersive fight, let alone the jump to the steering wheel of a destroyer or carrier while wasting stations or complete fleets. Trading, building, rts or first person view it got it all. yeah there is plenty of grinding & multitasking but the game is frickin´ huge

TLDR: More casual and friendly gameplay that you can pickup and drop at any point, have fun with your friends or play by yourself = No Man's Sky You hate yourself, but want REALLY immersive ships = Elite Dangerous A game held together by bubblegum and microtransactions that can be really fun and immersive, but annoying to some people because it really isn't anywhere close to finished and who knows when will be (maybe one day the game will be as great as the ships it has) = Star Citizen Space trading sim: X4 You just hate yourself: Starfield

Great vid as always Yam-man. I used to play Elite a lot, basically to grind for the biggest and best ships in the game and then I rarely flew them as I didn't want to lose them and pay ridiculous insurance premiums to get them back. The grind could be fun, I mean doing cargo runs while trying to evade interdiction using a Type 6 or 7 transport with no weapons only mines and chaff. I currently tolerate starfield although it really isn't great and I'm still to complete it as I was wasting time with bases and ship building - that and I don't think I'll be playing through multiple times. I can't get on with No Man's Sky and it might be an age thing but it just feels childish. That being said I may return to it as I don't think I gave it a fair chance. I have X4 but not played it, need to get past that hump to understand how it works.

X4 is a absolute > Blast< in Space Combat but it seems like nearly nobody plays it that way properly. And its the fastest one ....by far.

My only gripe with X4 is that even with all the latest patches and fixes the game becomes incredibly buggy the longer you play it. The AI starts to break down as you establish your big trading empire and by late game you're dealing with terrible framerates and ships that love to crash into stations. Alongside numerous crashes to desktop. I really like the game but you need to keep all that in mind.

I love SC, E:D, No Man's Sky and X4 all for their own reasons ❤

I got No Man’s Sky on day one and even then I found it to be a fun and relaxing experience, even if it was terribly unfinished and didn’t give you much to do. I am stunned by how much the game has improved since then and it currently sits as one of my favorite games of all time.

I own no man‘s sky and recently got star citizen and honestly I really like both, while star citizen still lacks in many areas as well as performance, I can see it‘s potential. And I‘ve been interested in X4 for a while since it always looked like a finished product with competent devs and a bright look for the future. This video has convinced me to finally buy it.

I bought Elite when it was in Beta. I enjoyed it for several years. It was a great game 9 years ago. First expansion was good, the last expansion promised so much but gave so little it ruined the game. The grind really first happened when they added engineers. I am happy with the game and got my moneys worth overall. But it is 9+ years old now. I know When I bought this game, my friend bought Star Citizen. He is still waiting for that game to be really released 9 years later.

@festersmith8352

6 ай бұрын

ED made the same promises as SC during kickstarter, if not more. SC has doubled its scope and is giving many times more than they promised in 2012. Here we are 11 years later, and neither of them have meet the original promises. However one of them is still trying to develop more than they promised, while the other is falling of a cliff from what I can tell. One rushed out a "release", and has found themselves stuck with tech limitations, and cannot deliver, and won't release the latest for some of their community. The other is building the tech first, to deliver the promise, and still going. While offering as much playability as possible. One required more money for the extra features and continue to play, and still not getting what you originally payed. Your friends have to pay more too, so you can continue to play together. One has not required more money to play the expansion of features, with friends as well. So when comparing the two, which one is a better investment of money for time played. But hey, at least one is "released". The other is still a scam?

@dawienel1142

5 ай бұрын

@@festersmith8352 Personally both didn't turn out that great in my opinion, with all of the scummy practices of SC I won't jump on board until I see a finished game. While ED looks like it's on its way out, that said I still think if you went with ED 9-11 years ago then you'd have more game at this point compared to SC. Thing is I loved Free lancer and now No Man's Sky, especially the art style, exploration and immersiveness. My highest played single-player game to date.

Also for the sake of the topic, I recently tried No Man's Sky and I find it very charming. I like it. Curious about X4 and Elite Dangerous.

@austinstoner6270

4 күн бұрын

No mans sky is the best space game out there. The combat is a little lackluster but it's an exploration game at its core. Even without all the fancy mods it's still king.

@sofaking1627

4 күн бұрын

@@austinstoner6270 Agreed. I sunk a good 200+ hours into it since that post and still really like it

@austinstoner6270

4 күн бұрын

@sofaking1627 hell yeah, are you on console or pc?

@sofaking1627

4 күн бұрын

@@austinstoner6270 PC

I am loving No mans sky. really incredible and so mind blowing playing the entire game in VR. just getting inside my ship and taking off is unbelievable. I love walking around on planets and exploring , mining , scanning interesting wild life and fauna .

After Elite based their game in the milky way, I need that in all my space Sims now. I really hope they revive it or make a new version as it's the game for me. I like a game where its almost impossible to go everything, where you don't have to grind to play it, but if you enjoy long-term goals, they're in the game (e.g. carriers).

@propheteyes5339

4 ай бұрын

Sounds like you want no man's sky but with the Milky Way

Back in 2012 i was a highschool senior 17 years old. I looked at the star citizen Kickstarter and saw everything they were trying to do (custom engine, groundbreaking server tech) and i said this will be cool in like 15 years. As far as im concerned they're slightly ahead of schedule 😂. Might check out free fly when i build new pc. But I'll reserve judgement till squadron 42 releases. Starfield a pretty low bar shouldnt be hard to beat

@thoth80

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, back in 1974 I was in middle school. I would run home to play pong. All funning aside, even though that is true I have tried all the above games and I really liked elite but the grind! I finally got x4 and love. I just wish it was MMO or multi. I may check out SC again in 20 years if I am still here. SF I waited and was thoroughly disappointing and too sparce.

Did you have a chance to try Pyro? The FPS there felt loads different for some of the missions.

I also read the devs of No Man's Sky also won a Golden Joystick recently? So the fans continue to support them.

Thank you for making a video about current games instead of 'UpCoMiNg' games. Seems like every other day I get a video in my feed from a *certain KZreadr* labeled as "Upcoming Space Sims! :O" and without fail, every time, it's filled with "games that happen to vaguely involve space", nothing to do with open-world space sims.

X4 is my favorite game by far. I've got to warn a lot of people off of it, though. The controls are somewhat hard, the GUI is complex, there are plenty of bugs, and the game itself takes quite a while to learn. Even saving and loading takes a long time. If you've got the time and patience to deal with all of that, Egosoft will give you something incredible. If not - not.

actually enjoyed the video (as a star citizen fanboy, that is not allways the case :p ) . from those 5, so far played everything but elite (still salty about my partial refund after they announced no offline servers shortly berfore release, so i won't ever go there) and starfield (somewhere after skyrim i decided to wait some months after launch before buying any future bethesda title, and that saved me from f76, as well as starfield). - x4 i have to agree, is great for the trading gameplay, and since i played the series from the frist x game until now (only skipping x - stillbirth) it always held a place near to my heart ;) though with egosoft you are usually well advised to use bethesda rules, as their games are guite buggy and/or barebones at launch, though they get better over time ... -no mans sky i initially hated what they did at launch, but at the same time, it is a poster boy of what can happen in a redemption arc if the devs really mean it. nowadays i pop in every now and then and actually find it quite an enjoyable experience. - star citizen/sq42 being a backer since the crowdfunding started at first, i keep popping in every now and then to check progress.personally i am happy with what i see (and i love getting some rare view into a project under development that i wouldn't be privy to otherwise) but i wouldn't suggest everyone to buy in before it is released. yes, one can use the freeflight weeks that happen throughout the year to check the current state, but still, if one doesn't have an alpha tester mindset, i'd advise to play something else and come back closer to release.

@christianedwards9025

6 ай бұрын

Guys guys! I feel it coming! Nnggrrrhn ffffrrrtttt. There you have it guys, Shart Fart Citizen.

Tried them all and agree X4: Foundations pulls me out of reality and into the game more than any of the others.

I have a love hate relationship with x4, is equally part frustrating and amazing (specially with mods) and i still don't understand the awful decision to add first person gameplay.

For anyone interested, X4 has a giant total-conversion Star wars mod that pretty much takes every good aspect of it and turns it into Star wars so it basically ends up becoming the star wars FPS/RTS/Empire-builder that everyone has always dreamt of, Shame its so unknown

Imagine the detail and immersion of Star Citizen combined with the jawdropping scale of Elite Dangerous. Frontier and CIG wtf you doing. Dont compete, collaborate!

@hawkzulu5671

5 ай бұрын

Cobra engine is maxed and taxed out. Collab on what?

@empyrean-jamelgreaves8034

5 ай бұрын

@@hawkzulu5671 Star Engine....................... Also, COBRA is not maxed out not even close, but Star Engine is the superior engine. Or make a new engine altogether? It's not impossible man

@the_seer_0421

9 күн бұрын

Also add the base building and on foot exploration of NMS

I feel like Hello Games's silence is a direct response to how it launched

Id like to mention, as far as SC goes. Theres a dynamic economy in the works, which to my knowledge no other space sims have that mechanic as in depth as SC will have it. SC Is getting an entirely new flight mode to make it more fun. FPS wise, with server meshing the server FPS will increase a lot and ground PVE will become a lot more intricate. The game is still in ALPHAAAAA!!!!!!

The Starfield fanboys are correct, you can't compare Loading Screen Simulator 2023 with the likes of X4 or Elite Dangerous or Star Citizen or even No Mans Sky... Because all 4 are space sim centric games (although X4 can also be considered as Factorio with Ships and No Mans Sky is more survival focused) while Load Screen Simulator 2023 is... well... about as much of a space sim game as the old Star Wars KOTOR...

@m0-m0597

6 ай бұрын

nuh-uh! This is isn't a Loading Screen Sim. It's "Loading Screen - the game"

@festersmith8352

6 ай бұрын

I feel that is fair. But the Starfield fanboys are the ones who came out claiming the SF will kill SC and show CIG how a space sim is really done. They brought that on themselves, by comparing them before SF even released.

Star Citizen: I held the wallet

No mans sky and star citizen are the best space game out there.

loved the video. Shows that no game is "perfect".

This was actually a good, fair, assessment of each, finally!

X4 is the best of the bunch overall. None of the others come close to the sheer scope of what you can do. From a nobody piloting a small ship, you can rise up to ruling a space empire... or even all the universe (available/known sectors). Due to its scope, there is LOT to learn. Plenty of KZread tutorials are available to help you along the way. 2000+ hours and counting on X4.

Amazing and realistic review. Kinda sad though that all of those games are not there yet.

thought i am a active NMS player, X4 (and the whole X franchise) has a very special place in my heart.

To be fair star citizen was never suppose to have a main story like no mans sky or starfield. SC has their seperate squadron 42 single player game theyre developing.

I've played other games in the X series and I've played Elite Dangerous. I've also played the more arcade-ish Freelancer and Galaxy on Fire and would say that unlike the original Elite where direct trading was the only way to make money early on, the modern games have somewhat abandoned this to make it more important to take on missions or learn how to mine or fight. This turns around somewhat in X when you have the wherewithal to create closed loop economies and it also comes closest in the early game but it's still not quite the same charm as Elite's ship-to-station:trading. It would be nice if Egosoft released a variant where you don't have to become a space oligarch to take on the full storyline. If you just want to get into space combat, Star Wars Squadrons is pretty good. If you want FPS it might be better to implement it in a non MMO game but have assassination and courier, etc. missions with a limited scope.

I feel like you sort of under sold X4. It’s probably the most immersive space sim game out there with pretty much everything you’d want in a space sim game. The only few things holding it back are the graphics and maybe the mechanics can be a bit clunky at times. But honestly with the DLC’s and a few recent updates the game looks really good and for modern standards especially with some of the mods that are out that enhance the ship graphics. I can’t think of any other space sim game that gives you absolute control of the world you want to engage with. From being a miner, scrapper, trader, mercenary or just hiring an army of crew members to do all that for you all across the galaxy. Or being able to build, buy and own an entire armada of ships manned by crew members that you can interact with along with ship and station interiors. And an actual working in game economy that functions with or without you, but can be altered and affected by the choices made by you. It’s arguably the best out there and only slips under the radar because graphically it’s compared to other games in the genre and like I said before. It holds up graphically with the DLCs that add improves station and ships textures. I’ve yet to find a game that gives me all the things I ask for in a space game the way X4 does.

Just think if Egosoft had got 500 million to spend on their game

@efxnews4776

6 ай бұрын

Right? Egosoft guys have a clear vision of what they want to create, they aren't messing around with bs like the others do, add some millions to them and see they going from underdog to a massive studio like CDPR or CIG.

Hats off to NMS, i will and always love this game !

Did you had time to try all of them 100%? reaching early, mid & end-game gameplay, it gets different points of view with time

my hope is that the next NMS "expansion" will let you deconstruct ships and weapons you own to custom-build your own ship/weapon/frigate from parts you have already "salvaged", you can already upgrade them using nanites so start it off with lowest tier and make it cost, but for anyone later on in their gameplay you get a decent reason to break down ships and weapons for their various parts and visuals, if that also includes a bit of performance tuning that would also be nice (shave off some of the RNG in terms of super-slot placement, or let people re-factor their weapons to move a single slot, people are already sharing "optimal" item locations on wikias so this would mainly help the players out for "natural" discovery of in game items) . After that a few space-based scenarios would eb awesome (pirate asteroid bases (from initial assault to boarding, to random NPC's within and maybe some non-drone based combat), better space-mining, more types of "fleet" on fleet battles. NMS has an option to "auto-scan" so you don't have to hold-button for the scanning, it makes a huge difference as now it's more you pan the scanner over an array of items one by one (there's a degree of auto-tracking about the center point) via FPS aiming rather than hold to scan on every damned object, t's similar but feels a LOT better, IMo the scanning still needs upgrades that scans faster tho.

Great comparison

Thanks for the review. So far Wing Commander and FreeSpace games are still the best. Elite Dangerous is a bit close with that travel part and gazing on stars and planets, control of the ship and such, but that grind and nothing to do in there killed it for me.

thx for the vid, since I have VR and joystick lying around, I want to check out this genre. I decided to drop the idea after watching this vid xD

How is Spacebourne 2? I’ve been looking into getting it.

I've watched Yamiks's videos for quite a while, now, but I'm still trying to figure out the "alien" script he uses during his TheYamiks title card... Looks a little like "Wingdings" but I'm not sure... I still miss the squeaky-toy sounds when a ship crashes. That shit's hilarious.

I love X4, but damn I just can’t seem to get into it, lol. I like the idea of the game, and it clearly has A LOT of content, but every time I dive into the game, I get hemmed up on “what do I do?” Which is quickly followed by “how the hell do I do it?”

Will search for it now...but looking forward to an Empyrion Galactic Survival review from you