Verbal Mood II: Grammatical Mood

How MODALITY gets GRAMMATICALISED cross-linguistically.
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  • @Eric_Pham
    @Eric_Pham5 жыл бұрын

    "linguist are bad at naming things" how ironic

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    I know, right!

  • @merrittanimation7721

    @merrittanimation7721

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well they are a kind of scientist.

  • @toothpastemanreal

    @toothpastemanreal

    5 жыл бұрын

    You beat me to it. U¬U

  • @MatthewMcVeagh

    @MatthewMcVeagh

    3 жыл бұрын

    I've often thought we need to methodically rename all linguistics terminology. Recently I've come up with the idea of an "Encapsulated Linguistics" conlang, like the Encapsulated Science one that a group has started. In that we could structure linguistics terms how we liked, and effectively start anew.

  • @sortagoodish8491

    @sortagoodish8491

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MatthewMcVeagh so... Use linguistics to make a language to make discussion of linguistics easier? Yeah sounds reasonable.

  • @user-vz7mu4su9n
    @user-vz7mu4su9n5 жыл бұрын

    Me: I didn't quite get that, can you say it again? Artifexian: Which part didn't you get? Me: The part after "let's talk grammatical mood"

  • @MediumDSpeaks
    @MediumDSpeaks5 жыл бұрын

    TIL I actually love linguistics

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    It's awesome!

  • @bendumonde
    @bendumonde5 жыл бұрын

    I broke up with my last conlang. It was too moody. I'll see myself out.

  • @novvain495
    @novvain4955 жыл бұрын

    Oh look, another verb video where he explains it super well but I still don't have the necessary IQ to understand it

  • @mariabaxter8843

    @mariabaxter8843

    5 жыл бұрын

    I feel you. I'll probably have to rewatch a couple times

  • @Croz89

    @Croz89

    5 жыл бұрын

    I like the idea of linguistics as it seems to approach language from a technical perspective, but every time it's like trying to decipher advanced mathematics which I don't understand.

  • @lXBlackWolfXl

    @lXBlackWolfXl

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Croz89 I've been studying linguistics for over a decade now, and I didn't catch most of what he said. He just went through every too fast. I mean, he covers dozens of examples within the span of a less than a minute! You only really get a few seconds to think about any of his examples before he moves on to the next one. I don't find the concept hard to understand (this is hardly the first time I've heard about it), this video is just bad in explaining it. It would've worked far better if he had just slowed down and took more time to explain all of this.

  • @greyskye3513

    @greyskye3513

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@lXBlackWolfXl This in in itself is a teaching method though. To move very fast, far too fast for you to process all details at the time, will actually help you process the greater subject over a length of time. This used to be extremely common in US special forces in that in order to teach them missions, culture, and other concepts, they would use slide shows, barely showing each example before moving on so that, even though it hurt your brain at the time, with rest afterwards and time following, your brain will actually process all of these things subconsciously. When you return to learn more of this subject, you will find that a lot of it makes more sense than you realized, and the details are easier to grasp. All in all, the best thing I find for learning is to put it into practice, and very good to, after attempting to gain a basic understanding of the subject, begin writing down or telling another of the topic, while keeping yourself free to refer back to the main source(s) as needed so that your brain has a chance to relax in the process. You'll find that you understand a lot more than you initially believed. Our brains are complicated machines that never stop running and are always calculating, observing, and creating, even when we are not consciously aware of the fact.

  • @tylorianfan8873

    @tylorianfan8873

    4 жыл бұрын

    I know that when I watch these types of videos, I typically pause at concepts I particularly want to learn, this time around. The rest I can hopefully learn passively.

  • @dondizzzzzle
    @dondizzzzzle5 жыл бұрын

    THIS IS NOT A DRILL: ARTIFEXIAN HAS UPLOADED

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    And the last video wasn't that long ago.

  • @dondizzzzzle

    @dondizzzzzle

    5 жыл бұрын

    Artifexian even better

  • @josephyn89

    @josephyn89

    5 жыл бұрын

    We have been blessed.

  • @AustroStudios2003

    @AustroStudios2003

    5 жыл бұрын

    EVERYONE GET TO YOUR STATIONS! THIS IS NOT A DRILL!

  • @i_teleported_bread7404

    @i_teleported_bread7404

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AustroStudios2003 Nope, it's not. It's a bilabial trill.

  • @pannekook2000
    @pannekook20005 жыл бұрын

    This feels like a 300 level lecture on linguistics and I love it

  • @purple_purpur7379
    @purple_purpur73795 жыл бұрын

    I could wrap my head around tenses and aspect, but this... this is impossible.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Mood is the muddiest of the lot. Juts remember all if it boils down to the speakers perspective toward what they are saying. That's fundamentally what modality is.

  • @elderscrollsswimmer4833

    @elderscrollsswimmer4833

    5 жыл бұрын

    Finnish has 4 moods. 3rd. Singular of istua (to sit) Potential: Vauva istunee nelikuisena. -- (I) guess the baby will sit at the age of four months". Imperative 2nd singular istu! --sit! (giving orders here) compare 2nd singular "istut" simply stating you sit/are sitting or Conditional: Istuisit. (Please sit).

  • @AgglomeratiProduzioni
    @AgglomeratiProduzioni5 жыл бұрын

    1:41 I'm Italian and I've never noticed how strange and kind of irregular that is, until an Irishman told me.

  • @laxpors
    @laxpors5 жыл бұрын

    I have no idea what's going on, but it's interesting none the less!

  • @gravnine

    @gravnine

    5 жыл бұрын

    I second that

  • @cadr003
    @cadr0035 жыл бұрын

    The beard is reaching to a whole nother level

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    2019: the year of the beard

  • @sammy3212321

    @sammy3212321

    5 жыл бұрын

    May there be (IRR) many more to come

  • @Rasyader
    @Rasyader5 жыл бұрын

    I've tried understanding the subjunctive for months by reading wikipedia pages and I could never do it. Finally, this video helped me understand what it does. Thank you.

  • @ArloDraws

    @ArloDraws

    5 жыл бұрын

    Your name..

  • @mehrheitler

    @mehrheitler

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@ArloDraws It’s from a movie, look it up.

  • @Pining_for_the_fjords
    @Pining_for_the_fjords5 жыл бұрын

    I'm always in a good mood when Artifexian uploads.

  • @mewtubegaming354

    @mewtubegaming354

    2 жыл бұрын

    I’m always in a subjunctive mood when he uploads.

  • @laurencewilliams2597
    @laurencewilliams25975 жыл бұрын

    Still miss "let's worldbuild"

  • @kolsumn

    @kolsumn

    5 жыл бұрын

    "hello interweb, let's worldbuild. so lets say you want..."

  • @kolsumn

    @kolsumn

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Yevhenii Diomidov worldbuild, he builds a world, and then maybe a language.

  • @kolsumn

    @kolsumn

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Yevhenii Diomidov here -> kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2GewayIh7Oymps.html

  • @pierreabbat6157

    @pierreabbat6157

    5 жыл бұрын

    Let's wordbuild!

  • @draco5991rep
    @draco5991rep5 жыл бұрын

    I think my mood can be described as confused :'D it is all well explained but it is so much information. I have to watch this video at least two more times. Thank you for making these Edgar.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    No probs, pal. Thanks for watching.

  • @Chris-rn9zx
    @Chris-rn9zx5 жыл бұрын

    Did... did Artifexian just upload a video?!

  • @jonispatented
    @jonispatented5 жыл бұрын

    Fun little feature I’ve just realized. In a lot of ways, you could consider the -a verb ending (like nomu vs noma) in Japanese to be an Irrealis form, although it’s rarely used on its own anymore instead being replaced with entirely different conjugations. If you place -nai after this verb form, though, it makes the verb negative. This may imply that they consider the negative to be Irrealis and mark it as such while, to my knowledge, they don’t really bother to mark other moods in any sort of consistent ways (anymore)

  • @user-vt6rq9hb9h

    @user-vt6rq9hb9h

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, that form (-a) in Japanese actually is called the irrealis form (未然形) and is used for not only negative constructions (like what you said, nomanai, but also nomazu), but also the volitional ("let's ..."): nomau, which in modern day is said as nomou.

  • @jonispatented

    @jonispatented

    5 жыл бұрын

    一的龗 oh wow. I knew about 飲まぬ nomanu and 飲まず nomazu already, but I didn’t know that 飲もう nomou was originally 飲まう nomau. That’s super interesting.

  • @whyit487
    @whyit4875 жыл бұрын

    *You've inspired me to start producing world-building videos on my second KZread channel. I haven't posted any yet, I'm just posting math and history videos currently, but I already have TONS of work done already. This is the basic outline of what I have so far:* Their home planet orbits a red dwarf star Planet used to be tidally locked, yet a large asteroid impact caused a slow day-night cycle, lasting for approximately an Earth month Planet is a small amount larger than the Earth (gravity is about 12 metres per second per second) Moon is slightly smaller than Earth's moon, and has oceans 100s of kilometres deep 1 supercontinent and a massive hot spot volcanic island chain the length of Europe Liquid water ocean Species on planet originated on an island chain Species uses a modified factoradics number system (1, 2, 6, 24, 120, 720, 5040, etc.) Species is obsessed with radial symmetry, unlike human’s love for bilateral symmetry. Species has exoskeletons and endoskeletons, yet is largely humanoid in shape. Language is impossible for humans to pronounce correctly, yet has similar sounds to English and other western European languages Plants’ leaves are black on top during the night, dawn, and dusk to absorb the most light, although high temperatures during the day cause the top side to contract, curling the light green undersides into a ball-like shape so that the plant doesn't overheat Species is highly advanced in biology, and has learned to control plants to build massive structures and develop cures to illnesses, yet doesn't use what we'd think of as technology (metal, machines, electricity, etc.) In early stages of development, species believed in a polytheistic religion, and thought that the island chain was the corpse of an ancient giant killed by the leader of the pantheon (rock was bones, soil was flesh, the ocean was the blood drained from the giant) When a human crew crash-lands onto one of the more remote islands, they combine their technology with the aliens, until a more aggressive empire learns of them, and a war begins, setting the stage for the story that I'm making. *Thank you SOOOOO much for the inspiration, I wouldn't have thought of this without you.*

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    No probs, pal. Just had a quick look at your videos. Can I suggest adding some audio?

  • @whyit487

    @whyit487

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Artifexian Sure! Thanks a lot for looking at them!

  • @Monkeywe

    @Monkeywe

    5 жыл бұрын

    For a moment I thought this was Justin Y

  • @AgglomeratiProduzioni
    @AgglomeratiProduzioni5 жыл бұрын

    2:12 Note that the (extremely) informal version is only tolerated in verbal speech but not in the written language. 2:58 Little correction: you need the singular masculine determinative article "il" before both instances of "cinese" (since it's the name of a language) if you use the verb "to know" (sapere: subj. sappia, ind. sa), while you wouldn't need it if you used the verb "to speak" (parlare: subj. parli, ind. parla); the variants "know+the" and "speak" are considerable equivalent. Note that the verb "to know" (sapere) could also be translated into "conoscere": it's a little weird that being native I'm not sure how to explain the difference, but just consider that when talking about knowing languages, "conoscere" is more formal than "sapere", even if the latter can still be formal in subjunctive mood. 3:30 Technically speaking, the verb used there is in the imperative mood, whose third personal singular form historically derived from the subjunctive. Same for 3:52 because, after all, what's the difference between giving a order to a third person and wishing they do? I know you may find it, but that's so subtle it's no surprise the two concepts merged over time. Still very good though.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Apologies for all of the above. I was verbatim quoting FR Palmer's Mood & Modality.

  • @samt210300
    @samt2103005 жыл бұрын

    Yes! Time for the second part of mood!

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Mood II

  • @scottanderson8167
    @scottanderson81675 жыл бұрын

    *video whooshing by my head at .6c*

  • @nuadathesilverhand3563

    @nuadathesilverhand3563

    5 жыл бұрын

    For those like me who would have to google that to figure out what unit 'c' is, he means 60% the speed of light.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    I know I talk fast but, damn, I think I'm owed a medal as something for that kinda speed. :P

  • @EowynCwper
    @EowynCwper5 жыл бұрын

    It's funny, this distinction in definiteness can be found in French with the subjunctive too (« je cherche une fille qui sait/sache parler anglais ») but you can also use the conditional for that purpose! « Je cherche une fille qui saurait parler anglais ». The indicative « sait » is clearly definite while the subjunctive « sache » and the conditional « saurait » are indefinite, but I have a hard time telling what distinguishes the two latter ones. Neither is more correct nor more formal or polite… Oh and I joined WorldAnvil, it's a really good website, and it comes right on time for my Allwanduir conworld project. Thanks a lot for letting us know about it!

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Awesome! World Anvil is great and Janet and Dimitri (the couple who run the site) are great peeps!

  • @nikolajankovic96
    @nikolajankovic965 жыл бұрын

    Are you gonna make videos about your language?

  • @battyboio
    @battyboio5 жыл бұрын

    These videos really help with my conlang for my fictional alien race,so I just have to say thank you ! ^_^

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    No probs. Thanks for watching.

  • @lutakip.librax4162
    @lutakip.librax41625 жыл бұрын

    Indeed, one of the rare days that I see Artifexian come back out of hiding.

  • @hufflepuffjoh
    @hufflepuffjoh5 жыл бұрын

    The part that interested me the most here was the part about the Italian and Spanish indicative/subjunctive thing with Ada dice/Si dice and then for the definite/indefinite thing. I was really surprised of it because in French, which is really close, we don't have this opposition and we would use indicative in all cases

  • @imrukiitoaoffire1908
    @imrukiitoaoffire19085 жыл бұрын

    So uh, funny story, I have a Conlang and it's Family of languages called Mayal, which firstly the name is very close to Muyuw, but also they both follow the same SVO word order, have the exact same word for I/Me 'Yey', and the Noxton variant and Muyuw are both native to tropical climates, as well the words for baby/young between the two are very similar, Myw Apwaw, Nxt Avau. *WHAT*

  • @grimtheghastly8878
    @grimtheghastly88785 жыл бұрын

    Mood

  • @Kikabopom
    @Kikabopom5 жыл бұрын

    I've never clicked so fast

  • @grimtheghastly8878

    @grimtheghastly8878

    5 жыл бұрын

    Mood

  • @josephyn89

    @josephyn89

    5 жыл бұрын

    Same

  • @stansantos4733
    @stansantos47335 жыл бұрын

    Me alegra que hayas hecho este video. ”hayas hecho este video" is in subjunctive and talks about a real thing.

  • @siddharth_desai
    @siddharth_desai5 жыл бұрын

    The use of color code in this video helps so much! It's so smart and well done!

  • @imienazwisko6527
    @imienazwisko65275 жыл бұрын

    Mood.

  • @johnhooyer3101
    @johnhooyer31015 жыл бұрын

    A very good lesson. The best part was the end when you applied some of the unusual ideas to thinking outside of the box for conlanging. I don't know if I can speak for the rest of your target audience, but at least for myself as an autistic viewer, I do better with applied learning; that is, taking a concept and specifically applying it to an activity that I enjoy, that being worldbuilding. With that having been said, I do quite well when reading from a book, and I think that this video is a good way of bringing awareness to further research sources, and prepping people for those who want to go deeper for their dive.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely, consume as much as you can. The more you know the better your art.

  • @thiagosplace4435
    @thiagosplace44355 жыл бұрын

    Spanish has indicative, subjunctive and imperative... in school at least, they told me those were the same thing

  • @DarylFroggy
    @DarylFroggy5 жыл бұрын

    This seems interesting but my mind is just not in the right place to absorb it right now, need to check it later.

  • @fienevandijk7224
    @fienevandijk72245 жыл бұрын

    Sleep+indicative+habitual aspect+experientative evidentiality+possibility/doubt indicator+capacity indicator+desire indicator ≈ to want to be able to possibly sleep regularly All featured in my conlang (3 modi-5 aspects-3 evidentiality markers-3 auxiliaries= 135 combinations without doubling)

  • @JoshuaHillerup
    @JoshuaHillerup5 жыл бұрын

    Did you ever do a video on what is and isn't grammar?

  • @Julio974
    @Julio9745 жыл бұрын

    2:45 Basically like english’s « this » and « that »

  • @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447

    @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447

    5 жыл бұрын

    Except English doesn't really get all that weird there. English gets weird in places that in and of themselves are weird. Why? Because that's what happens when a Germanic language and a Romance language love each other very much.

  • @barney1942

    @barney1942

    5 жыл бұрын

    That Bad BLU Spy Weirdness is subjective, yadda yadda.

  • @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447

    @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@barney1942 Still, English is a mish-mash of Germanic and Romance language rules, spellings, sounds, et cetera.

  • @barney1942

    @barney1942

    5 жыл бұрын

    That Bad BLU Spy I know, but I still don’t think it to be weird, just “special”.

  • @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447

    @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@barney1942 I say just blame the Romans.

  • @danielmoyseyev6034
    @danielmoyseyev60345 жыл бұрын

    Yay ! New video from my favorite KZread channel!

  • @thomasjenkins5727
    @thomasjenkins57275 жыл бұрын

    You're on a roll with crunchy videos.

  • @thirdtrysacharm6177
    @thirdtrysacharm61775 жыл бұрын

    How have I never heard of this channel before? This is awesome!

  • @languagelover9170
    @languagelover91705 жыл бұрын

    AWESOME VIDEO, UNDERSTOOD SOME THINGS! I love that you contain sources at the end of the video/at the description. Good job!!!!

  • @nuadathesilverhand3563
    @nuadathesilverhand35635 жыл бұрын

    Now on to a science video! I am very confident we're moving on to biology now, so thats' gonna be great! Also, please, please let your next language video be about cases, I really cant wrap my head around them.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Here ya go: kzread.info/dash/bejne/poZmyJtrk6Sse7w.html

  • @nuadathesilverhand3563

    @nuadathesilverhand3563

    5 жыл бұрын

    ​@@Artifexian , lol, thank you, but I said cases, not classes. As in, genitive, nominative, accusative, etc., not noun genders. Or do I understand those things less than I thought? Ima watch that video again just in case I missed something.

  • @laurencefraser

    @laurencefraser

    5 жыл бұрын

    ​@@nuadathesilverhand3563 He linked the wrong video. You want kzread.info/dash/bejne/X4aD16V7hpablZs.html (entitled "Nouns: A Case of Case") which, to be fair, is the one imediately before the one Artifexian linked in the Conlanging videos list.

  • @nuadathesilverhand3563

    @nuadathesilverhand3563

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@laurencefraser , oh, thank you kind sir.

  • @majarimennamazerinth5753
    @majarimennamazerinth57535 жыл бұрын

    I suggest videos on conjunctions and relative clauses. Currently struggling with them in my conlang :\

  • @user-sf1uc7ft1t

    @user-sf1uc7ft1t

    5 жыл бұрын

    My conlang does an interesting thing in which most of the conjunctions are in the form of cases

  • @majarimennamazerinth5753

    @majarimennamazerinth5753

    5 жыл бұрын

    Curious... how did you avoid an overload of cases? Do verbs/adjectives have to agree with them?

  • @user-sf1uc7ft1t

    @user-sf1uc7ft1t

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@majarimennamazerinth5753 See the language has 4 forms of verbs and only 2 of them need to agree with the noun, and adjectives also agree. About the overload of cases, my language is Oligosynthetic so it doesn't matter that much, but if there are more than 10 cases, you may add the other cases with the verb and adjectives.

  • @Nyxelestia
    @Nyxelestia5 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, and very timely too - I've just gotten to the verbs on my current conlang (fanlang for Fullmetal Alchemist), so these mood videos were very helpful, both in terms of understanding verbal moods in general, and giving me ideas for how to make this conlang unique.

  • @tuhiaako3073
    @tuhiaako30735 жыл бұрын

    I'm spanish. Thanks a lot for the video, I loved it. The translation for the Spanish example isn't quite right, "No creo que aprenda" means "I don't think he'll learn." "I don't think he is learning" would be "No creo que esté aprendiendo." Also, funny typo later on. Algera instead of alegra :p Later on, I don't quite get the meaning of the sentences "Insisto que aprende/a", it sounds odd and/or wrong, specially in such a short sentence, without context. I'd be happy to provide an alternative :)

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ye, apologies for the typo. It's really hard to eradicate all of them. As for your other points, they are lifted verbatim for FR Palmer's Mood and Modality.

  • @SkwithOv
    @SkwithOv5 жыл бұрын

    oooh excited!

  • @LexieAssassin
    @LexieAssassin5 ай бұрын

    I've had to watch this several times over, making notes, and another explaining how it's done in English, and I think I'm finally starting to grasp it. I had an easier time understanding, "The Missile Knows Were It Is."

  • @WadelDee
    @WadelDee3 жыл бұрын

    That reminds me of an English test. We had to fill in the blanks with the given verbs in the correct mood: "The students asked the teacher what a tinnitus _____ (be) ." The correct answer was "was" but I still think that the test was wrong and that "is" should have been the correct answer.

  • @FlymanMS
    @FlymanMS5 жыл бұрын

    Are you an encyclopedic genius? Either that or a god I guess cause you seem to know everything.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    I just read a lot of boring academic stuff.

  • @electroflame6188
    @electroflame61885 жыл бұрын

    big mood

  • @Blublod
    @Blublod5 жыл бұрын

    Great video. It's interesting how in English, the use of the subjunctive continues to wane while in the Romance languages it's practically impossible to express oneself correctly without it.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    I think the subjunctive is all but dead in General American English which is weird.

  • @grumpino8246
    @grumpino82465 жыл бұрын

    1:20 YEEES MY LANGUAGE ITALIAN FOR ONCE HAS SOMETHING GRAMMATICALLY INTERESTING NOTICED BY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THESE THINGS

  • @mapelaanjakoodaansuomeksi3432
    @mapelaanjakoodaansuomeksi34325 жыл бұрын

    Hmmm. Interesting.

  • @Sabersonic
    @Sabersonic5 жыл бұрын

    Interesting video as always, and it's almost enlightening to know that the different systems of modality in the general sense have some continental geographic boundaries. Doesn't really help in deciding which conlang would logically choose which system, but it's something to jump from. Also interesting is how some languages would have different mood words for not just time sense, but also first to third person statements when it comes to realis and irrealis moods. Certainly something to ponder when it comes to language drift and branching. All and all, thank you once again for the food for thought.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well more analytical languages might be more inclined to adopt modal systems (like English) and more fusional/aggultinative languages adopt grammatical moods. Of course, languages tend to have both, just one system tends to be more present that the other. Again, English has an extensive modal system (can/may/would/could etc etc) and indicative and subjunctive moods. Although the subjunctive is on its way out.

  • @Sabersonic

    @Sabersonic

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Artifexian Something to keep in mind if and when I get around mapping the spread of languages on my eventual maps. *mumbles* Stupid Photoshop Elements 8 can't do mask layers or nothin'....

  • @Mr.Nichan
    @Mr.Nichan4 жыл бұрын

    I think the reason subjunctive is more polite in requests is this. Using a less real verb for the result of the request is like saying your not expecting as much it to be done (so it's not demanding), while using a realis verb form for a request seems like you're expecting them to do it (which seems kind of demanding. Even if they actually mean the same thing, in polite or formal situations, people would go more out of their way (using a less common verb form) to show that their not being demanding, while, in more informal situations, people are more comfortable being frank about what they want. These sort of politeness strategies would bleed from actual requests into reported requests.

  • @Astronomy487
    @Astronomy4875 жыл бұрын

    it's amazing how much research goes into your videos, considering how many different languages you use as examples haha :>

  • @pepijndeputter8892
    @pepijndeputter88925 жыл бұрын

    Edgar, I see you are converting to full on viking, interesting Irish vikings

  • @anthonycz7581
    @anthonycz75815 жыл бұрын

    1:29 ''Me alegra que sepas la verdad'' is the correct sentence, and needless to say, I loved the video!

  • @coreycook2068
    @coreycook20685 жыл бұрын

    Looked up central pomo, found it was extinct, now im sad

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ye, it's always sad when you look up a language and it has like 5 speakers left. Literally, one accident and the language is gone.

  • @kyle-silver
    @kyle-silver5 жыл бұрын

    Shout-out to the Hortative Subjunctive, letting us say things like "ambulemus", "let us walk" in Latin And for clarity, it's not a demand like "I demand that we be allowed to walk", it's more in the vein of "please be seated"

  • @Mike25z
    @Mike25z5 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always! But now he says links in all the “usual places”.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    People were getting confused with 'dooblydoo'

  • @tridan111
    @tridan1115 жыл бұрын

    You know it happens far too often that I watch one of your vids and then later I'm talking with friends and I say stuff like "Hey have you ever heard of [Insert Artifexian's latest grammar vid topic]?" And they're like "No, what is it?" And then I remember that even though I can still recall the video title I still can't remember anything about the actual _content_ of the video

  • @KainusGulch
    @KainusGulch5 жыл бұрын

    The beard of wisdom is continuing to lengthen.

  • @mhenhilmorin527
    @mhenhilmorin5275 жыл бұрын

    i do mark my realis/irrealis on my subject marker which is also fun. same with tense (one half of my time interactive system)

  • @pierreabbat6157
    @pierreabbat61575 жыл бұрын

    I had to pause the Greek, because I'm used to reading Greek in Greek letters.

  • @Frahamen
    @Frahamen5 жыл бұрын

    Oh god French lessons flashbacks :(

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Haha

  • @jinxtheunluckypony
    @jinxtheunluckypony5 жыл бұрын

    I started this series a few hours ago so I could make a language for a race in my story, five hours later my brain is soup and they’re speaking coded English

  • @the_biblioklept2533

    @the_biblioklept2533

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jinx Jade If you still need help, point out any parts you don't understand, and I'll try to get you a source or explanation for that topic

  • @TigasCraft42
    @TigasCraft425 жыл бұрын

    nice animation!

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. :)

  • @gideonjones8088
    @gideonjones80885 жыл бұрын

    Subjunctive almost made me fail Spanish 3. I could never get it. Whenever I thought I understood it it was the opposite of what I thought. The real problem was it was so consistently the opposite of my guess that I started putting down the opposite of what I thought it should be. In which case it would be wrong, but when I tried to play it straight again I would still get the wrong answer. So as much as I love this kind of stuff, and like trying to make my own languages, I've been too afraid to try and learn a new one ever since I lost my grip on Spanish.

  • @ummmmmmmmm200
    @ummmmmmmmm200 Жыл бұрын

    sick videos. i hope one day i understand it

  • @edvinas7232
    @edvinas72325 жыл бұрын

    Speaking about Bargam and it's "Habitual past + irrealis" thing. It's not strange. English's Habitual past also feels like "event happened in the past and has no effect on the present any more". So in this sense, past also can be irrealis.

  • @Drummerfly9000
    @Drummerfly90005 жыл бұрын

    For Kinyarwanda, the 3 conjugations look like a system for epistemic modality. It's interesting if it only has (grammaticalized) expression of counterfactuals, and not for the case that the speaker believe the statement to be true.

  • @oinkymomo
    @oinkymomo4 жыл бұрын

    latin has the indicative and subjunctive moods, with indicative being used as any verb in a main clause, and subjunctives being used in certain subordinate clauses. infinitive, participle, and imperative are also kind of moods, though participles only exist for 4 of 12 tense-voice combinations for regular verbs (i use the term regular here because there is a tense-voice pair that has a participial form that only exists in a type of verb called deponents, which are just weird), and there are a combined total of 4 or 6 infinitive and imperative forms per verb.

  • @GoofballPaul
    @GoofballPaul5 жыл бұрын

    4:25 Gotta love that tiny dot that remains white in the vasque country.

  • @noahhornecker4834
    @noahhornecker48345 жыл бұрын

    Oh boy, I sure do love my weekly dose of brain hurt! But in all honesty though, your vids are amazing, even if I don't understand most of it lol.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, man.

  • @HuffleRuff
    @HuffleRuff Жыл бұрын

    Having a known and unknown could be cool, a known past is something that did happen and an unknown past is something that might have happened.

  • @jamesfuller3952
    @jamesfuller39525 жыл бұрын

    HOLY GUACAMOLE I'M EARLY

  • @MalekiRe
    @MalekiRe5 жыл бұрын

    So quick on the upload, what is this, comment awards?!?!

  • @unochepassava1403
    @unochepassava14035 жыл бұрын

    Between 2:30 and 3:05 you use Spanish and Italian to convey the meaning of definiteness and indefiniteness modalities, and, while those modalities are defenitely present in those sentences, there are two additional epistemic modalities that are in fact more relevant in those specific examplese: both in Spanish and Italian, using the subjanctive implies that the speaker isn't sure/doesn't know if such a person is there or not, while using the indicative implies that the speaker knows that such a person is there and just needs to sort out which one is.

  • @sully9767
    @sully97675 жыл бұрын

    Correction, sorry. 1:29 it's "me alegra" not "me algera". But yeah. Good point. Carry on.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    You're right. I will put that in the corrections doc. Thanks

  • @SnoFitzroy
    @SnoFitzroy5 жыл бұрын

    I don't usually comment on your video, but I just wanted to let you know that your beard looks awesome! Did you grow it out for anything in particular? Usually you keep it a lot shorter :P

  • @SotraEngine4
    @SotraEngine45 жыл бұрын

    Could a conlang have standard sentences as factual and have separate words to mark these: hope/wishes/pleading, orders, threats/promises and hypothetical?

  • @MrTrilbe

    @MrTrilbe

    5 жыл бұрын

    Why not, you can kinda do it in English, "My keys are in my pocket, hopefully" the hopefully changes the prior statement from factual to a hopeful statement. The Conlang would translate literally as "statement/Sentence+desired thing", "the knife is sharp - promise" "the knife is sharp - hypothetical" or "you do not hit me - pleading" "you hit them - order", well thats if i understood what you asked about, if not please ignore this comment

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Seems legit.

  • @SotraEngine4

    @SotraEngine4

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@ArtifexianThere is something in my mess of my first conlang that makes sense

  • @brillitheworldbuilder
    @brillitheworldbuilder4 жыл бұрын

    A little mistake at 1:24: We Germans have no Subjunctive, we have a similar one called Conjunctive, which expresses either possibility or indirect speech.

  • @fill0llif
    @fill0llif5 жыл бұрын

    2:23 I've never heard someone saying "mi chiese se era possibile" though, I guess it's more common to hear "mi ha chiesto se era possibile", but it's still informal ("ha chiesto" is somewhat like the present perfect). Switching from "mi chiese se fosse possibile" to "mi ha chiesto se era possibile" is considered to be "ungrammatical" by Italians anyway. 3:05 This is new to me, I can't say it is not correct, but I've never heard someone using it like that, this is simply the same as 2:23 where IND is used within an informal context and SUBJ within a formal one and the IND form is considered to be "ungrammatical" anyway. Then the definite article "il" is missing (same here, I can't say is not correct, but without it feels weird) after "sappia"/"sa" and "il cinese" is a pronoun that stands for "la lingua cinese", the Chinese language (fun fact: "il cinese" may also stands for "the Chinese man", but it's informal and may be very rude depending on the context. The reason behind it is that "cinese" is in fact an adjective).

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    I pulled all the Italian examples from F.R Palmer's Mood and Modality. Just doubled checked them there and what's on screen is accurate.

  • @NickPinolo

    @NickPinolo

    5 жыл бұрын

    I was just thinking about those sentences… I entirely agree with you @fill0llif.

  • @DrPonner
    @DrPonner5 жыл бұрын

    My conlang Vrkhazhian has indicative, directive, subjunctive, and commissive moods, and I mark them all on the noun and pronouns.

  • @yanagelfand4337
    @yanagelfand43373 жыл бұрын

    So I'd already decided that my conlang would have irrealis mood for past and present and irrealis mood for future, imperative, conditional, probably subjonctive etc. But I was worried if it's a little weird. And now I discover that it actually _is_ how it works in lots of languages! Now I'm both proud because I made up a realistic feature and dissappointed because it's kinda derivative...

  • @8Hshan
    @8Hshan5 жыл бұрын

    I have understood exactly nothing and got confused by both parts of this, but I'm sure they're absolutely great videos nonetheless, just about a topic that's too complex for me for now :D Maybe because this time I can't find a way to relate this to my native language (Polish) as I was usually able to with previous videos. Still, MOAR LINGUISTICS :D

  • @lohphat
    @lohphat4 жыл бұрын

    1:24 "Sagt er er wäre müde?" is past subjuctive. Present subjunctive would be "Sagt er er sei müde?".

  • @demidron.

    @demidron.

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yep, he glossed it as be+3SG+IMPF+SUBJ, where "IMPF" (imperfect) means Präteritum/past tense. The issue I have with it is that he says it's got something to do with interrogatives. It's in that sentence because it's about reported speech. You could have the same sentence with "Er sagt, ..." Also, he missed the comma. ;-)

  • @starlordjae2577
    @starlordjae25775 жыл бұрын

    Sa/Sappia means he/she knows (ind/sub).

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Is that not what I have on screen?

  • @Mr.Nichan
    @Mr.Nichan4 жыл бұрын

    The "used to" in the English translation of the Bargam example could also have been translated with "would". I'm not sure if it's a full sentence of just an giant adverbial phrase (a compound dependant clause), so here's both interpretations: Full Sentence. "When(ever) the the pig would return , the owner, on seeing it, would give it food." Adverbial: "Whenever the pig would out and the owner, on seeing it, would give it food, [something happened]."

  • @kadenvanciel9335
    @kadenvanciel93359 ай бұрын

    If Biblaridion talked about grammatical mood for his "How to Make a Language" series, what would he have said about what each of the existing moods would evolve from?

  • @skyemorningstar166
    @skyemorningstar1665 жыл бұрын

    aw sweet!

  • @haroldbradford690
    @haroldbradford6905 жыл бұрын

    🔥

  • @hubertk7363
    @hubertk73633 жыл бұрын

    cool!

  • @WadelDee
    @WadelDee3 жыл бұрын

    2:55 So the lower sentence is looking for a particular person and knows about the particular person that the person happens to be able to speak English, with the English-speaking part not necessarily having anything to do with the reason why the person is being looked for, in the first place? Is that correct?

  • @Aerostarm
    @Aerostarm7 ай бұрын

    3:04 For the Italian example about definiteness, the top example is the indefinite, but the bottom example you showed isn’t necessarily the definite, because that could be definite or indefinite.

  • @devonoknabo2582
    @devonoknabo25824 жыл бұрын

    I want to make an aux lang so I want to put the most comman moods in it is mood really necessary?

  • @voidnath2626
    @voidnath26264 жыл бұрын

    French actually uses some of these as verb tenses, see Subjunctive Present and Imperfective ''Je pense que je vois...'' APP. ''I think that I see...'' And ''Je pense que je voierais...'' APP. ''I think that I would see...'' or i'm just bad even at my own language (probably the latter

  • @voidnath2626

    @voidnath2626

    4 жыл бұрын

    wait we also have indicative lmao but i wont show exemple because im bad

  • @joelformica8344

    @joelformica8344

    2 жыл бұрын

    Where are the subjunctive and the imperfective? “Je vois” is indicative, and “je voierais” is conditional. The imperfective would be “je voyais”

  • @jorgehaswag7294
    @jorgehaswag72944 жыл бұрын

    Oh no! I need to begin my sentence with irrealis but then they’ll think it’s Irrealis!