I think it was Jonas. Vendata switched the tapes for movie night leading to the whole crew seeing what kind of man Jonas really was. Jonas needed to silence all the witnesses, but probably did not intend to die himself - someone perhaps sabotaged his escape attempt, or he reckoned his friends would do a better job of saving him

@Hriskataaa

5 жыл бұрын

Ye, that sounds probable - well, at least the part where Vendata switches the tapes - after that, anything's possible

@TheeCapN

5 жыл бұрын

Or he came back to fight Morpho and opened the bay doors

@johnsayles8032

5 жыл бұрын

@fat _itallion Did he? All we know is that he was floating out in space with the rest of the crew hours before Team Venture Classic showed up.

@akiameko1984

5 жыл бұрын

Three things wrong with this: 1) Red Death's story says that the plot to hold Venture hostage went off flawlessly, until the doors were opened, which means Venture was in the viewing room, and not in a position to flip any switches in there, either. 2) No one on either side knows for certain who pulled it, and the working theory is that it was a crew member who went berserk for an unspecified to the audience reason. This means that who the Gargantuan crew think did it actually did go insane, but Red Death seems to know something that proves the person innocent. 3) Red Death was watching Sharky's Machine when the incident happened, so the tapes weren't switched. The evidence given points to a few things, but I think we were just given a lot of red herrings onscreen, with the clues as background props, throwaway jokes, etc... Look there.

@landonletterman831

5 жыл бұрын

We saw Rusty and Billy pop out of that time machine. I'm thinking that Rusty and Billy (after the O.R.B., multiple instances of working together and improving their team cohesion, and the weather changing incident) get back into the "Globetrotting Super Science" game, just to find themselves way in over their heads, back tracking through time to find out that they themselves are the first supervillain and henchman (setting the model for what would torment Rusty throughout his life, especially childhood), as well as causing the movie night disaster

The flaw of this is that Vendata would have to take the tape with him so it could end up in the Morpho Cave for 21 to find it later. Manstrong could still be the culprit but Vendata has to leave with that tape.

@louisduarte8763

6 жыл бұрын

Oh snap, that's a good point. How would the sex tape from '67 wind up in the Morpho cave if Vendata had it, before his memories were restored?

@MarkPL07

6 жыл бұрын

Kano. Kano worked for B.M. before Jonas had him join team Venture, so he knew where the Morpho cave was. After team Venture put Jonas in the PROBLEM they would have had to go to the control room in order to seal the doors. There they find the sex tape and Kano wanting to protect not necessarily Jonas's image, but his old friend B.M. (he's unaware Z remade him into Vendata) takes the tape back to the Morpho cave for safekeeping.

@rajvader

6 жыл бұрын

There could have been more than one copy.

@AB-li5oo

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe vendatta took the tape and manstrong snuck in to watch sharky machine from the control room because they wouldnt let him watch it..and thats when he passed out.

@JTSDAD67

6 жыл бұрын

@rajvader Whew! Plot hole filled.

I like the theory. My guess is that the tape was left playing. He walked in and started touching himself. Someone else walked in on him and he fumbled in embarrassment to shut off the tape, but instead unknowingly threw the bay door switch and the trauma of knowing he killed everyone keeps him deathly afraid of sex.

Damn... Red Death is such a good character! He is both terrifying and hilarious and caring all at the same time. Also it was probably Manstrong, he probably didn't faint or black out but backed up in disgust when he played the sex tape and open the bay doors. Manstrong probably knows that he caused the massacre and blames sex and arousal on it as a defense mechanism.

@keatonkitsune4064

6 жыл бұрын

It's mainly KMACK TIME's theory, besides I wouldn't have even come up with it if it weren't for the video (Forgot entirely about Manstrong). It's just slightly tweaked. I wouldn't be surprised if they took it a step further and he tried to get off on the film and accidentally opened the doors. The point is it's most likely Manstrong. The only survivor. It'd be funny if Red Death confirms it as his suspicion as he says he has them about who caused the massacre. The biggest thing to take away from Arrears in Science is... Not that Jonas is an ass, not that it's basically confirmed that Rusty and Malcolm are related (I still hope they aren't cause The Monarch does that weird mouth teeth thing the Blue Morpho does) but that the OSI is taking Jonas' brain. Probably make him into a robot so we can finally have Rusty physically confront his father.

@JTSDAD67

6 жыл бұрын

I like that theory but what if it was MANSTRONG'S MOTHER. She's devious like that.

@SpiritOrb-tm8gf

6 жыл бұрын

I recently saw episode 2 again and I got to say, that little description he gave of the night it happened sounded like he knew who did it! The way he referred to the individual saying “he gathered everyone in the hanger for what he called movie night”, like he knew the guy! Either him (the paper boy yelling “it’s movie night”) or maybe even Jonas, who was the one starting movie night!

@phill884

6 жыл бұрын

I think you're close. Manstrong probably didn't black out in his youth but the trauma and guilt of killing every one from his first exposure to sexual arousal probably caused his blackouts from then on. I'm sure he would have blocked out the memory of the event so he probably doesn't know on a concious level that he did it.

@davidburesh

5 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. Manstrong was not allowed to attend Sharky's Machine (it was rated R, after all, and he was a youth). He wound up in the projection room, found the sex tape, put it on, became aroused, and then probably started... "dealing" with that arousal. The question is: did Manstrong flip the switch by accident (falling into it, grabbing it and pulling it, etc)? Or did he somehow turn on a microphone or video camera by accident, broadcasting himself into the room, get laughed at and humiliated, and then pulled the switch intentionally, and repressed the memory due to trauma?

So, basically, the Pyramid Wars were Robert’s Rebellion in a sense.

@lelouche25

6 жыл бұрын

>.>? I dont get it how are they similar?

@lonelysith66

6 жыл бұрын

Yuki Terumi they were started on a lie

@MrAer85

6 жыл бұрын

Roberts rebellion was based on the lie Lyara was kidnapped.

@taraalexander8689

6 жыл бұрын

Robert's Rebellion was not about Lyanna being stolen. It was due to the fact that Aerys breached the feudal contract and killed his Lords without reason or fair trial and then demanded the same thing happen to the child heirs under Jon Arryn's care. Robert caring about Lyanna was only a small direct cause of the war.

@zekecooper6055

5 жыл бұрын

@monokhem troy

Sharkey's Machine was an R rated movie. It is quite possible that the young paper boy was thought too young to watch

@JTSDAD67

6 жыл бұрын

I found it rather boring when it came out back in the day. Slow burn straight through. I was a kid though so what did I know. I suddenly want to watch Sharky just to see if it got any better.

@brentcatherman8762

6 жыл бұрын

Possibly, but didn't Red Death go into detail about the crew members dying in the vacuum of space and mention a child was among them?

@grimesy0926

6 жыл бұрын

Nope with Jonas only hearing street life it's heavily implying the bay doors were opened during the opening credits of Sharkey's Machine.

@brentcatherman8762

6 жыл бұрын

And yet none of those whores had sex with Rusty because Team Venture was more interested in humiliating him than letting him pop his cherry. Besides those employees on Gargantua-1 are most likely outer circle employees who don't know anything about the real Jonas unlike inner circle associates like Team Venture and the Blue Morpho.

it was Rusty, time traveling with Billy.

@ordeporama

4 жыл бұрын

dude, how much do u think they changed ?

@miles2378

4 жыл бұрын

@@ordeporama it might have been a accident like rusty leaving the soiled space suit that leaked into the electronics and brought down gargantua 1.

@TokenTravis

3 жыл бұрын

I need more of their adventures in roosevelts time machine

@Cloudydoodles

2 жыл бұрын

We need more information with that lol!

Have you ever seen how sexual “Sharkey’s machine” is? The movie is depraved.....I bet he just wanted to turn the movie off

Finally a theory video that doesn’t have Rick and Morty in it

@rajvader

6 жыл бұрын

Great. Now they'll have Rick pop in to throw the switch.

@parkaman8901

5 жыл бұрын

Right?!?!

@sebathadah1559

5 жыл бұрын

Chuck Greene rick and morty combined with venture bros.... God forbid.

@NimhLabs

5 жыл бұрын

The crossover that literally nobody wants... but everybody would watch religious.

@michaelkeha

4 жыл бұрын

Please no I don't want this show ruined by Rick and Morty bullshit

Is anyone aware that Rusty's toy fell out, caused Jonas to shatter and for some reason it gets put back somehow?? Seriously unnoticed moment ...

@TeeComedian

5 жыл бұрын

Team Venture slipped on it, I don't think they would've seen it. And I think it was lower in the episode.

@Stephen_Brooks

5 жыл бұрын

you think there is only a single toy soldier in the whole universe eh?

@Jakeverhart

5 жыл бұрын

poppoppops he had two. A yellow one and a white one. The yellow one was melted onto the panel after it was finished. The white one was left out and Gentleman slipped on it.

@tolfan4438

3 жыл бұрын

@@Stephen_Brooks not in the universe but on that space station in that room yeah there was only one the one Rusty was playing with

@Pariahmary

3 жыл бұрын

Okay, does the Rusty's toy gag represent something now?

I honestly hope your theory is right. It's so fitting with the lore, especially explaining Manstrong's bizarre aversion to anything sexual. Seems like something the writers would come up with too, you seriously outta find out if they're hiring.

personally my theory is that bud saw red death or the "phantom space man" as he believed he was and in his panic open the doors. but the sex tape thing is valid too.

I don't know why, but just knowing the sick (hilarious) humor from the creators of the Venture Bros they will probably make the paper boy throw the switch. In fact, we'll probably see him lose concentration and accidentally grab the panel. LOL 😆

@emilycrewe3794

5 жыл бұрын

Faded Leaf Knowing the humour of the creators it’s more likely that he got a head rush from the blood racing, ahem, Southward and passed out, knocking into the bay door controls on his way to the floor.

@cesarvictoriano8072

3 жыл бұрын

@@emilycrewe3794 I’ve been thinking since since my first watch of Arrears in Science. That fits the Venture Brothers logic too well for something character or arch wise, either the Tape or Sharkie’s Machine made him pass out. It’s funnier watching people try to figure that part out rather then accepting it doesn’t matter which sexual film made him pass out.

Jonas Venture is definitely Monarchs father. How could you not talk about that

@theboy1625

6 жыл бұрын

Sergio Andrade hmmm interesting 🤔

@worthasandwich

6 жыл бұрын

I would not take that as a theory that is what happened. Yes it was implied but that is how this show works.

@Ducky69247

6 жыл бұрын

Why would he? It's not a theory, and in fact has been canon for about a decade.

@JTSDAD67

6 жыл бұрын

Billy's mother was Triple Threat. Action man's crush but he never sealed the deal. With Jonas's propensity to nail anything in sight, you might have yourself a sound theory there. Also Jonas had a thing going on with Dr. Quimm's mother who seemed to a bit of a cat woman. Yeah I watch these over and over. What else you going to do between seasons.

@agentmysterious6682

4 жыл бұрын

@@JTSDAD67 I want it to come back

Plot twist: The shapeshifting alien that disguised himself as Jonas Venture in Twenty Years to Midnight pulled the lever!

@battlesheep2552

2 жыл бұрын

Too bad we'd never know because we're too busy ignoring him

Anyone else realise young Manstrong was wearing Wesley Crushers outfit from TNG?

@TheDayMang

6 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fYBnucSzhaSrn84.html

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated

5 жыл бұрын

Came to comment this same thing! 😁

@mtelms17

5 жыл бұрын

me too!

It was Kano himself, or at least convinces BM to have pulled the lever. When he was confronted by Brock with the question regarding the death of jonas sr earlier in the series, Brock already had the answer in the back of his mind from the reaction he gave. Boom!

I can believe bringing back an old joke for plot but I can't believe they went far enough to take the Sharky's Machine reference and roll with it.

Bud couldn't have been in theater for Sharky's Machine... It was rated R. And, of course, kids never violated that rule. ;)

@MrAer85

6 жыл бұрын

I think it was Manstrong mother or father who did it.

@rajvader

6 жыл бұрын

Why?

@JTSDAD67

6 жыл бұрын

Cause his mom is a devious devil woman.

I’m calling it now, Given what we’ve seen in the rest of the season I think that Doc and Billy are going to be the ones responsible for the movie night massacre via their time traveling shenanigans

I think it was Vendata. Of course, he was the Blue Morpho, and if he had really been the BM, he wouldn't have done it. BUT Dr. Zim "monkeyed with his programming" by flipping the switch in his head to "evil", which would allow Vendata to flip the lever.

I've been peaking at VB theories all morning and so far, this is best. My first assumption was that it was Jonas who pulled the lever (perhaps even having a good reason for doing so) and he just blamed it on Vendata because he's a massive prick. But the more I think about it, Manstrong is a perfect suspect. But rather than him blacking out and falling on the lever after accidentally playing the tape, I'd just to the conclusion that Vendata played the tape like he said he was going to, the whole thing was too much for Young Manstrong, and he either was trying to shut it off and pulled the wrong lever by mistake or even *deliberately* pulled the lever in a fit of arousal, fear, and disgust. The whole thing was so horrible and traumatizing that he not only blocked it out, but his subconscious now associates arousal with very bad things, which would explain both the blackouts and his prudery.

Another bit toward Manstrong not being in the movie night: Sharky's Machine was rated R. Chances are, the crew would stick to the rating rules, and he would not have been allowed to watch it.

This is the most likely theory, and I came up with it too after watching the show. He's the only one who's still around and has enough ties to make this deep cut work

Was that Rusty's toy cowboy figure that fell when the machine opened?

@JeremiahDouglas

6 жыл бұрын

GeniusGT lol yes it was

@inspector5122

6 жыл бұрын

Yup, that means Rusty is partially responsible for killing Jonas as well

I love this show so much. Going back and watching the series from the beginning having seen these season 7 episodes is mind blowing.

Sharks Machine is rated R. Manstrong wasn't old enough to watch it.

do you guys think manstrong could have done it or do you think it was someone else?

@138veronica

6 жыл бұрын

KMACK TIME I think it makes perfect sense. It would also explain Mastrong's disassociation with the event despite being on the station at the time and he used it as a ghost story to entertain Hank and Dean. Maybe his mother found out and victim blamed him for "perverted thoughts" and brainwashed him into secrecy. Although Jonas Venture did deserve to die, no one else on that ship did. Also its not acknowledged by the show yet, but that means Jonas abandoned Monarch/Malcolm to die in the forest when he recovered BM's body. He also could have rebuilt Mrs. Fitzcaldo but chose not to. Instead, he rebuilt his old friend, made him a robo nanny to Rusty, wiped his mind of any free thought and I assume that he believed Venturra would believe he was protecting Malcom since the kids look so much alike. He twisted his "friend's" passion for fatherhood and family into something to meet his own twisted needs time and time again. And then just dropped his supposed dead body in the trash when he no longer served a purpose. No funeral, just a dumpster. Jonas was a swinging neglectful sociopath who does not deserve all the good cred from the superscientist community he gets thanks to his PR.

@yourin8er

6 жыл бұрын

Do you know how the first 2 episodes went up online about 3 weeks ago.

@84bucco

6 жыл бұрын

Cui bono? To whom it benefits? Number one suspect David fuckin Bowie aka the Sovereign aka the Thin White Douche. He probably encouraged the Guild group to pull the heist so he could start the pyramid wars. Wouldn't be surprised if the investors were involved. They destroyed Gargantuan II

@frostking9685

6 жыл бұрын

@@138veronica I think it was an accident but it was mechanical failure. Jones rushed the project and allowed his son to help build it. His own hubris got him and everyone else killed. It shown that when he get bored with something he lets it go wild. There a also the fact that he has a god complex that make him believe that he can't never be wrong or fail.

@138veronica

6 жыл бұрын

@@frostking9685 Good point. It explains the toy cowboy jammed in there and his weird insistance that he "knows" Venturra would never hurt him. He also didn't have any surprise about Venturra being, you know, functional and alive after being thrown in the trash years prior

What if Manstrong was tasked with starting the movie for movie night but accidentally mixes up the tapes in the control room? Startled by what he sees, he falls back and accidentally hits the lever that sends everyone out into space.

I'm loving the setting change from Colorado to NY.

Another possible theory: sovereign opened the bay doors disguised as someone else. Jonus Venture was secretly Force Majeure and this was how the sovereign took over the guild.

Wow, amazing theory! Good job!

Great info here. If you are into suggestions, I would roll the bass off on your voice a LOT, and see about getting a Pop screen or making one. Thanks!

manstrong like "if I get a stiffy, people die"

BIGGEST QUESTION AND MAYBE THE ROOT OF WHO IS PULLING STRINGS BEHIND THE SCENES.....WHO CLAIMED THE BOUNTY ON BLUE MORPHO AND SET THE EVENTS IN MOTION?

@calvinloafingnorelation1030

4 жыл бұрын

Asking the right questions

Don't think I've seen 2 people mentioned that we know were on Gargantua, Richard Impossible and Phantom Limb

I just think the world J. Publick & & Doc Hammer have built continues to grow w/their storytelling. I hate how long they take between seasons, but it's almost always good

What if Rusty accidentally caused it? Since the first episode on G1, Rusty caused the problem with his plastic cowboys, and in S7, the original team venture slipped on one of them and broke Jonas"s body. What if Rusty unknowingly triggered the doors to open with those plastic cowboys?

@brandonbollwark5970

5 жыл бұрын

Never mind, Rusty was in college at the time of the massacre.

100% believe in this theory. Good video

Jonas said the last thing he remembers is the opening song from sharky's machine about 2 minutes in. When vandata is talking to Jonas in the control room Jonas walks over and puts the movie in which starts playing the movie and you can hear "street life" opening theme and see in on the tiny screen " the song starts about 27 seconds into tape play time. " this means that Jonas just got back to the cargo-bay and sat down before the doors were open.

Blue even said it wasn't him since he said he remembered that night.

Or could it have been.... Manstrong's Mother? If the tape was left in the room, and she saw and watched it... Maybe she did not want her boy to be around and influenced by those kinds of people.

Great theory- makes total sense. Fingers crossed you're right!

Sharky's Machine is Rated R. So it was probably an adult only movie night.

4:11 Its obvious. Young teen Manstrong gives into his sexual feelings due to the Rated R film or perhaps just went in there to be alone and do that, gets walked in on or has Billy and Dr. Venture (Rusty) teleport in with the time machine scaring him. He falls over panicking and grabs the handle causing everyone to get airlocked, the duo time travels away or whoever else it was bolts. Kano when closing the bay door finds the tape of Jonas Venture and Blur Morpho and hides it in his cave. Because of the trauma of what he did due to sexual arousal, Manstrong swears off such as he has PTSD flashbacks of that night. He creates the story of the crewmember who snapped to try to shift blame while lying to himself.

I’m on board, you explained it well!

Red Death has become one of my favorite Venture Brother Characters. His monologues are fantastic! I like your theory because it makes a lot of sense: the only survivor was the one who caused the problem. If we accept as a given that Venturian didn't do it, we are left with a lack of other suspects. The only known survivors of the massacre were young Manstrom, Red Death, Venturian, and Jonas Venture. If it wasn't them then how about Doctor Thadeus Venture as an unwitting suspect? He accidentally sabotaged the station TWICE, by leaving a toy in the control panel as a boy and by dripping liquid on a control panel as an adult. He was involved in constructing the station. Maybe one more inadvertant mistake will be revealed? Another potential suspect would be the Sovereign. He was a shape shifter who could have stowed away on the rookie villains' space ship disguised as a piece of equipment. In support of this, the Sovereign benefitted the most from the movie night massacre because he used it to get the OSI to wipe out his rivals, SPHINX.

I think it was Hate Bit. Three villains are shown talking to Sovereign after the Massacre. Vendata, Red Death, and Hate Bit. We don't know anything about Hate Bit and it's clear how he would have survived the massacre. He probably doesn't need oxygen. I have no reason to assume this, but it's conservation of detail. He seems like a throw away character, but that's why it would make the reveal that he did it so shocking. It's exactly what the writers would do. I don't what his motivation would be, though, except maybe he "hated" something on the station. If you don't remember Hate Bit watch this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nGyFsJqcide5iMo.html

Makes alot of sense. Need to do a vid on how Rusty venture is also a clone and jonas jr was a prototype clone of jonas himself not a twin. Based on how red helper mistook dean for rusty AND still thought the clone thing was a secret.

Honestly I think the Bud Manstrong theory is pretty credible however I don't think he blacked out at the first time when viewing the sex tape, I believe he was initially fine with being aroused but the fact he caused the movie night massacre by being careless whilst watching it made him associate being aroused with imminent disaster.

If I'm remembering bert Reynolds movies right, sharkey machine is about a cop protecting/having a fling with a high dallor escorts/witness, I want to say there were some pretty suggestive scenes in the movie and it was rated r, manstrongs mom being the character she is probably told him he couldn't watch it, so he snuck into the room to watch it on the little monitor, whether he blacked out and fell or he blacks out because of the trauma of accidentally killing everyone we dont know but I think its simpler explanation.

If you think about it "the ghost" that roams the halls of gargantua 1 is Jonas Venture.

@SpiritOrb-tm8gf

6 жыл бұрын

Then that would imply he did it! Second episode they said that it was the ghost of the guy who cracked! Just an interesting way to look at it!

@anyoneofus9948

5 жыл бұрын

There was a Phantom Spaceman, his name is Major Tom.

I think your theory is spot on when it comes to manstrong opening the bay doors. I don't think he blacked out but out of rage maybe opened them. or maybe he needed to catch himself from falling and grabbed the lever by mistake

similar, but the movie night movie was inserted in that room, vendata/blue morpho could of swapped the tapes and the kid freaked to go turn it off and (not know how to do so) opened the bay doors

@nick.h7566

5 жыл бұрын

Good fuckin point!!! God damn

It's a solid theory. But my only question regarding your theory about Vendata is the fact that Jonas didn't check the back of his head for Dr. Z's Good/Evil switch. He only assumed Blue Morpho would have resurfaced and prevented Vendata from pulling the lever...but he didn't know to flip the switch back to "Good" to ensure his assumption...and then he made the biggest mistake and put in the video that caused him to remember Blue Morpho's stupidity and snapped. I still think it was indeed Vendata...but at the same time your theory definitely holds water.

I have a few theories myself, one being that the Phantom spaceman may have done it, he was in a later episode his name was Major Tom. Another is the Investors, they're the ones responsible for Gargantua 2's destruction.

Blacking out to the image of sex sounds fucking hilarious.

this season is amazing

Theory seems sound. And love the Wesley Crusher reference.

hi there, i just finished watching this video and i think you are right about Manstrong. But if you remember the tape, that was first played in the blue morphos cave, and dr venture had the only copy of the tape, so how do you think the tape got to the morpho cave? And i think Rusky is a dr venture clone!

I will never not look at Twenty-one's thousand yard stare during the start of Red Death's speech.

And Red Death basically telling Brock that because of this, his career was a lie.

I believe that Manstrong was the one responsible for the Movie Night Massacre. But I don't think it was an accident. I think Manstrong did it on purpose. Manstrong said that before the Movie Night Massacre, one of the crew members happened to _crack_ before gathering everyone together for, quoting Manstrong himself, "what he called Movie Night." Manstrong seemed pretty unhinged himself. Not only did the man spend 6 whole years on that Space Station alone with the smoking hot Lieutenant Baldovich (barring her horrifying face and mushroom hair.) and not once even THINK about getting any of that ass, but he also picked a fight with BROCK SAMSON. TWICE! The first time being an accident, but then he put up his dukes when he saw his mother on Brock's lap. In Red Death's flashback to the Movie Night Massacre, it was the paperboy, a.k.a. Manstrong, who told everyone about Movie Night and not some random crew member. As to why Manstrong might've done it, I think that inside, he was pissed about being stuck as a paperboy on that Station. Think about it. How would you feel if you signed up to go up to an advanced international space station where over two thousand people would be dedicating their lives to super science, only to wind up as the _PAPERBOY._ Manstrong must have wanted more than just handing over a thousand people their newspapers every single day. I think that in his unhinged mind, Manstrong figured that if a catastrophic event were to occur, killing almost everyone on the entire station, then he'd HAVE to be promoted to a position much better than a paperboy. So on "Movie Night", Manstrong, not realizing that during all of this, a group of villains had infiltrated the station to hold Jonas Venture hostage, made sure that nobody was around to notice him while he slipped into the control room and opened the bay doors on everyone as they were watching Burt Reynolds' "Sharky's Machine", killing almost the entire crew, including Jonas Venture and three unlucky super villains. Years later, after surviving the massacre, Manstrong becomes one of the two people solely in charge of maintaining Gargantua 1. He even survives the station crashing to earth and stands in the oval office as a "hero" until he gets exposed by Rusty and has a total breakdown. I think Manstrong is responsible for the Movie Night Massacre. And I think it wasn't an accident.

@kurthamel2012

5 жыл бұрын

This is it. Damn.

I kinda like to think it was The Investors. It's pretty obvious that Jonas was a bad man so whose to say he didn't make a deal with the Investors in order to become rich and famous. Like when his h.e.l.p.e.r. robots were destroyed in mass, something like that would have tarnished anyone's name no matter how popular they were. Yet it was swept under the rug and completely buried with a story highlighting how good of a person Jonas was. Killing him was just his payment so the pyramid wars could be set off and set every in motion for Brock in the OSI

Going by your estimation I would say you're right on all counts, except one. Blacking out isn't a symptom of sex, it's a symptom from his first "sexual experience" (in this case, his first time viewing "porno"). He accidentally killed everyone while watching, and has convinced himself that it was another person to protect his psyche, but every time something sexual happens he recalls the truth, and blacks out over it.

Didn't rusty accidentally open the bay doors on brock because the buttons weren't well labeled and he didn't know what he was doing? Probably something Similar happened back then.

@bobkilla430

4 жыл бұрын

Yes he did

I think it was Vendata, but it was an accident he slipped or glitched and pulled the switch unintentionally

Something about Jonas death pose seems off. Out of everyone floating by. Jonas is the only one in any kind of motion pose. The sudden depressurize would have yanked him out and left him in one of the many other final poses like the rest of the crew. His is the only one to suggest he was trying to do something. Either escape or he may have already been shot into space way before the bay doors opened. Vindatta couldn't have kept the tape as it some how ends up in his home in Newark but that couldn't have been by him as he had no memory of that night, unless he had another mind wipe at some point over the years after taking the tape to the last place he remembered after having a flash of his old memories like shown in another episode. If he had mentioned that Dr. Venture told him he was the blue morpho, He would have been scrapped on the spot by sovereign as Blue morpho was already top of the enemies list for the Guild... What if Manstrong really did find the tape Get off and started wacking it and Jonas came back to see if Vindatta was still there and in a panic he went to shut off the tape he pulled the lever. Causing an emergency panel to slide between them and kept Manstrong from being pulled and Jonas was sucked out as he was yelling at him not to pull the lever

I'm calling it as doc time travelling as we see when they help monarch and 21

It was probably rusty, indirectly some how.

You know I figure Dr. Jonas venture is the one who opened the air lock. I could see him having a whole "I was the villian the whole time speech, aswel as glotting about how he not only owned/ruined blue morpho/venturian/vendata's life, he could and has easily done so to many others. All the while vendata confidently turned on the microphone to the station( most of whom were gathered in the docking bay for movie night). Hell vendatta could have easily switched the movie tape with something incriminating too With ventures dirty laundry revealed he was left with the option to bribe his way out, face the osi/guild for his crimes, or most likely eliminate the evidence. As to how he ended up in space........well he probably fought vendatta and they got spaced at some point

That theory is BRILLIANT!!!!!

This is the best theory I've heard

Legit theory, although he might not necessarily have "blacked out" though, he may have just been disturbed enough to pull the lever for whatever reason(a "never meet your heroes" kinda thing).

Let's think about this...there were both "heros" and "villains" (terns used subjectively of course) present at movie night, remember Red Death mentioning they had an undercover squad mixed in? This is why it absolutely couldn't have been Vendetta/Venturion. Regardless of which personality he was in, he had allies present and wouldn't have done it. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if it was somebody from the past...future Sovereign, Henry Killinger, Richard Impossible...the options are endless.

In Episode 3, they nearly said (and strongly implied) that Jonas Sr. Is The Monarch’s (Malcolm’s) father. He “helped” Blue Morpho’s wife get pregnant. It’ll be interesting to see if they fully commit to that.

I think it was Manstrong, one way or another. Another question though. The Cloning tech used to recreate Hank and Dean so many times dates back to Jonas. Why wasn't that used to bring him back?

This... this is a good theory

sex tape caused him to fall backwards in shock at witnessing the depravity of such heroic a figure as dr jonas venture. he stumbles into the lever activating the bay doors. the horror at what he had done [though it was an accident] still haunts him to this day. the scene he witnessed at the same time causes him to dissociate this event with sex. witnessing anything sexual causes the trauma [possibly ptsd though it was not quite so sever, so i have my doubts on that.] to surface.

It was the paper boy...he saw the sex tape of Jonas and Blue Morpho and freaked out...tried to turn it off and opened the doors by accident. It's why he survived...

@KMACKTIME

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn’t that a kid manstrong?

i dig it. watched the episode twice before seeing this and didn't catch the young manstrong, so thanks for that.

Thats a good theory would be a good callback making it all fit together but knowing them it’ll be some random villain who did it

It is not THAT Manstrong saw the tape, but WHAT he saw on the tape. Namely his mother with Jonas Venture, and what they were doing. That is what pushed him over the edge and left him terrified of sex.

The investors. They have been around since back then under the cover of different Guild names. As we have seen, despite their powers suppose to not be used to meddle with the others and only observe, they denied that and wanted to mess with people an make deals. I would not doubt that like Jr, Jonas Sr. likely also got loans from them. I mean how else did two character get cancer and start decaying so quickly?

This is a pretty popular theory. I said the same thing myself after it aired. Its certainly the most plausible. But considering the state of affairs regarding the show at this point, it may forever remain in the realm of conjecture.

I like your theory it is well worked out

Manstrom wouldn't be at movie night anyway because "Sharkey's Machine" was rated R.

A good theory but how do you explain the chip in the back of his head?

You makes some good points. I could see this being true. I don't think that Vendata understood that he was actually Blue Morpho though. Might be wrong though.

Yep, it was Manstrong.

Well my theory is that he was disgusted by seeing Jonas venture someone that at the time most idolized behave in such a manner he did it to get rid of him not realizing the movie had started which caused the massacre causing said blackouts

Another question, did Jonas deserve this given what we learned so far?

@JTSDAD67

6 жыл бұрын

Bet OSI puts his brain in a robot.

@LoneSwordsmanTheory

5 жыл бұрын

@@JTSDAD67 Or he's uploaded into a mainframe Arnim Zola style. I'd bet that we haven't seen the last of Jonas, the OSI taking his head is just too rife with possibilities.

You seem to have forgotten about manstrong's mom entirely.

His spirit still roams these corridors

Any one else notice that young Manstrong’s newspaper had the same purple ink as Dean’s newspaper?

This is largely my theory, but I think a piece being missed is that one of the women from the tape is most likely Manstrong's mother. To see his mother in that situation as possibly his first encounter with anything sexual could have further pushed the adversion to sex that Bud has as an adult. Seeing this, he may have likely freaked out and tried to push virtually every button to shut the tape off and open the bay doors went.

Here’s a movie night theory: what if Jonas had released the switch to kill the crew, intending to pin it on Vendata BUT one of Rusty’s lil plastic figures messed him up, like he stepped on it or when he went to grab a safety bar it poked him & cause him to let go. Those toys normally come in a decent size pack, so it would stand to reason he’d leave a few of them scattered around the place. For Bud, maybe he stumbled into that control room-saw the video tape there, figured since he couldn’t go to the other movie he’d see this one-started getting ‘handsy’ as the tape went on-and maybe someone/something hit him that caused him to black out OR when he realized that he crew was dead but could have all been saved if he had not been watching a sex tape and been available to shut the doors-this left an imprint in his subconscious similar to survivor’s guilt where he’d get that rush of emotions when he’d become sexually aroused.

Ok, let me tweak this theory a bit; Manstrong sees the tape, thinks it's Sharky's Machine, puts it in and plays it. Sex comes on. He freaks out and panics and in a fluster, tries to shut it off by hitting every button he can find, leading to him accidentally opening the bay doors and sucking everyone out into space. He BLOCKS OUT this traumatic incident because HE is responsible for all that death. This is why sex causes him to freak out. It's a reminder of what caused him to accidentally kill all those people.

Sounds like a great explanation to me. I suppose the only other good one would be someone else who survived we don't know about.

I'd love to see a show devoted to the action packed Times of Jonas venture they need to make an independent series on him