I literally spent 5 hours today just sailing around hunting Submarines. It was so ridiculously easy, because you can tell Subs have never bothered to learn ANY positioning at all. They just charge into braindead positions without any backup and get caught nose in. It's clear they have gotten so used to playing the game with zero counterplay, that now that there's an extremely limited version of it (7km range on a 12km detection ship, ONLY spots the sub if underwater, only lasts 20s), they get completely caught with their pants down repeatedly. These are the players that die to radars in the first minutes in DDs, that eat full sets of torps in BBs and who get devstruck in Cruisers, and now for the first time they actually have to put an extremely limited amount of thought into where they sail, and they are collapsing HARD. Apparently the discord is full of submarine players crying because they can't just charge up the middle of the map and grief anyone they like. Hilarious.

@rihkuazoyord7458

5 ай бұрын

MY GOD THIS IS GLORIOUS

@RhomasTotevenaar

5 ай бұрын

Cv's still exist in their current form. Not coming back untill then. Will still be watching your vids though :)

@JokaTHePatriot

5 ай бұрын

This is MUUSIC to my ears Flamu, but it is not enough i think, i'm a 60%+ WR player and i despise when a muppet who i don't fear or consider a threat at all when he plays a dd or a cruiser, enters a sub and annoys me, makes me waste time to sink him just to see him escape due to insane maneuverability and survivability.

@mq5190

5 ай бұрын

Do keep in mind that PTS is also the opportunity for some players who never play subs to try it, so it might be not entirely accurate that they are all braindead. Also I doubt the instant ready sub surveillance will make it into live in this state.

@SimersFM

5 ай бұрын

They still do fine in cv’s though. God I miss rts cv’s where hands were required and AA worked.

Next patch: "We are removing submarine survaillance from all surface ships including the new Commonwealth line. Due to community feedback we've determined submarine players are being unfairly targetted and griefed. So to make things fair we've decided to give submarine survaillance only to CV's - our strongest and most skillful soldiers."

@MageMinionsOP

5 ай бұрын

The other night I asked a CV for air support for 10 minutes straight while the enemy CV spammed me with planes. He used 0 fighters and according to his stats, his CV WR is about 30% while his overall win rate is 44% over 10k games. Players like this make me remember why CVs have automated systems

@meganoobbg3387

5 ай бұрын

Problem is the CV is not a team relying class, and they're not encouraged to do any kind of teamplay either. Everyone cries about how OP they are, but the real problem isn't the damage - the problem is no surface ship is allowed to counter them completely, even another CV. Wargaming likes them as a "safe space" class for braindead paying customers. Since fighters are simply a timed AI consumable, and not an actual manual squadron, nobody is even gonna use em - CV players only look at their own damage, their own exp, and they're not hurt by losing a game. If they only play CV's, they don't care if they don't get a win bonus. And they usually don't even die weather they win or lose.

@cookiecola5852

5 ай бұрын

ehh yeah...😮‍💨

@unowno123

5 ай бұрын

Nah I mean the sub was not overextending as he cant shoot over the island its just a dead class now. Slow and easy to spot, just stay in spawn sub lol

@meganoobbg3387

5 ай бұрын

@@unowno123 lmao What's the torpedo range of the Balao again? Oh that's right - 12 kilometers. Double the distance that he was keeping - why he going all up in the grill of a Venezia in the middle of the map? Did he check the minimap - this is a CV game, and everyone stays in their spawn, he was rushing in not waiting any support from his teammates. The right side of the map had open waters, and teammates to protect him.

Man was on a mission that day to make sub Captains reconsider their life choices 😂

@Choukai_Chan

5 ай бұрын

I support this message.

@breadbug6101

5 ай бұрын

I am in full support of this

@nikolaikuznetsov911

5 ай бұрын

Shit players need to be punished

@Threesixtyci

5 ай бұрын

Test server.... no one is really on that.

1:00 the enemy ASW swarm was pretty epic

@meganoobbg3387

5 ай бұрын

It's almost like everyone drops what they're doing, to collectively gangbang the Dark souls boss that pissed them off for so many years :D

@doecheldorf

5 ай бұрын

Sub still survived all 5 of the ASW strikes

My reaction is the same, if this goes live, I will play nothing else. This is just damn too satisfying to miss on.

Flolo's reaction on the balao kill was the voice of the playerbase right there.

I've said many times that the primary thing keeping subs balanced is the extremely poor skill of the players. People see subs dying right away and doing no damage and assume the class is balanced, but that's just because the average sub player is a 40% WR glue sniffer. In the very rare occasions where a super unicum decides to play a sub it is an absolute nightmare to deal with and he basically dominates the whole map. I've seen good sub players get 4k+ base xp and basically carry teams on their own. This addition is the absolute minimum needed to bring balance to the class.

@TKDforME1

5 ай бұрын

Completely agree with your observation.

@Fackeldackel

5 ай бұрын

​@@TKDforME1It doesn't even need to be a super unicum. A decent to good player with solid understanding of the Basics is already enough to carry entire flanks simply because he is in a sub and good enough to abuse the sub mechanics to become untouchable. Its completely dented.

Everytime a sub dies, everyone is happy. Shittiest addition to the game. Never could understand why Venezia didnt have plane based asw. Glad to see that change.

@pompodorius

5 ай бұрын

CVs are way worse.

@TheStygian

5 ай бұрын

​​@@pompodorius Yeah CV's are way worse. But I'm glad to see at least one pest require basic skill now.

I bet they nerf it by giving it the "radar delay", but also applying to the ship using the consumable, so the subs have time to dive and avoid getting shot at, or surface and get unspotted (depending on the range).

@meganoobbg3387

5 ай бұрын

Or they put it in same slot as regular sonar/anti-air boost - so your irrelevant choice is die by planes or subs.

@nlb137

5 ай бұрын

@@meganoobbg3387 They already "promised" different slots, and Venezia doesn't even have a hydro/DFAA slot.

@meganoobbg3387

5 ай бұрын

The smoke slot for italians then.

@alphax4785

5 ай бұрын

Adding the radar delay would be fine TBH since it's still effective counterplay unlike the jack spit we have now.

Yeah no way this makes it live untouched. But am glad fun was had in wows

"Imagine having counterplay against subs and you get to play the game afterwords." -Flamu I am dead. LOL

Man, a LegMod Venezia with plane based ASW and submarine surveillance coming to live server, am I dreaming?

DDs exist to hunt down subs, and are the only class that only gets ship launched ASW. They should be the ones to be getting this first, would create an interesting balance where CAs radar DDs but DDs can radar subs to reinforce the original rock paper scissors of the classes.

Starting with Myoukou, Japanese heavy cruisers can "stealth radar" submarines that are at periscope depth, although with an extremely thin window. If they truly add this consumable, even in a nerfed version, I will love my Mogami even more !

"Due to higher than intended effectiveness, we have decided to make changes to the submarine surveillance consumable. The spotting range will be reduced to 2km. Additionally a 5 second delay between consumable activation and 3d spotting has been added."

@meganoobbg3387

5 ай бұрын

"..... and it doesn't work if a CV covers the sub with smoke." lmao

@kape2978

5 ай бұрын

Dont forget a 50% reduction in duration and a 200% increase in recharge time.

Man, once this update drops and everyone uses the ships equipped with sub surveillance, i'm gonna play Gouden LM, because once the subs will learn to surface to avoid being constantly spotted, i'll be able to drop their asses and one shot them easily.

@fokionleile7662

5 ай бұрын

Best plane ASW is the dutch one, seeing a sub get deleted from full hp is the best thing.

"There's less trash on the streets now" Perfectly sums up everyone's attitude to these underwater aim bots

2:28 .You can hear the happiness and the hate in his voice😂

@billhanna2148

5 ай бұрын

HE SPEAKS FOR ALL OF US !!!😁🤣😂

@Matt123a

5 ай бұрын

I detected an orgasim.

Imagine the sub captain watching this vid later on with stone face expression xD

This was the most action filled game ive seen in a while, literally firing main battery off cd for 10 minutes lol

Hell yea bro .great video seeing you finally haveing fun lol .loved the video

2:04 is the beginning of bliss.

Fun was had by every person involved. No, sub mains aren't people. No, neither are cv mains

So WG adds counter play to Subs, and despite it's limited range, still causes the sub captains to stop all mental operations and just sit there waiting to die. That does not speak well of the Sub main community. But if it works out well, hopefully the British, Commonwealth, and USN DD's get it as well.

@meganoobbg3387

5 ай бұрын

If CV's got manual fighters which can engage other CV's bombers and actually make the carrier a team helping class like back in RTS, atleast 90% of the current CV playerbase would cry how its "unfair", because they cant just pick a random ship to bomb without keeping a distance from enemy planes just in case.

I like how war thunder does it.. if a sub wants to move and stay hidden they have to go a 1/4 throttle and run deep.. any faster and anyone will hear them and locate them

@sozetsukokai9327

5 ай бұрын

Importantly, WT subs 1/4 throttle is like 3kts. Not 20

2:20 - This entire little sound bite.... F**king hilarious

need a mod that plays like a soundloop of a pig squealing when you activate that surveillance

"why am i smoking? Hello i am demented" Accidental best public health advertisement ever by @flamuu 😂😂

Man, long time since i have seen you that happy - and im with you. Loved my Venezia, but since sub it was almost unplayable. And now this...

if the dutch cruisers can't get plane ASW for whatever reason, I wish they could at least get this so they can at least support the team

Flamu going off on subs = Insta Like. Also, Venezia is already my favorite ship, this makes her 100x better.

I can relate to the defence not getting citadeled. When I play her, if I get caught broadside, I think yup, I'm screwed. But I get away with it. But if I angle and try to dodge, I get blapped the shit out of me.

This'll be fun to play against, makes the sub gameplay a million times more interesting.

Happiest flamu i have ever seen

Yeah I remember that short period of CV rework where AA actually worked and it was almost fun, had a game in Iowa against double CV, got 99 air kills...

2:28 Happy Flolo noises

Literally the only time I've seen the Defence live up to it's name!

Now THAT was the thinking mans action game

WG: We only introduced sub surveillance as a joke consumable, we have no idea it's actually working. We will either nerf it into oblivion or straight up remove it.

Wg: release a tier 10 takes a tier 8 haul slap 8km sub surveillance and 30 seconds 12 km radar being in some random bundles Also wg: *LETS MAKE A POOL FILLED WITH MONEY SOO I CAN SWIM*

If this gets into the game i’ll come back to play it

All destroyers should have sub surveillance. Then we just need something to fight the unfightable CV's.

8:42 sounds like some crazy lewd flolo asmr if you know what i mean

This might actually make me return to the game after more than a year....just for the satisfaction of actual counterplay! No way this dont get hotfixed within a week if it should somehow make it onto live!

If it reaches live, it means that the new player profitability rates from banner or sidebar ads that feature subs is now not much more than from other recruitment sources, or that profitability from current sub players is far below that of other non-cv players

LOL I love the rage!!!!

Omg now i even considering to return to the game

Flam is extra salty today.... but not as salty as them sinking subs in the sea

Incoming Flolo moment when they nerf this sub surveillance on surface ships because Flamu had fun with it

Certainly an IMAGINE of all time

Flamu claims to hate subs, but he thanks them every time. Curious.

holy shit i really felt the rant over the sub he killed in the middle taht was GOOD

I haven't heard you this happy in so long, my dude! I raise my glass to you!

Time to grind the pasta cruisers!

I can't even watch Flamu's vids in public anymore because those sounds are pure NSFW for anti-sub players.

And I still keep hearing online "but subs are hard to play" with the zero counterplay right now in normal server XD

Vanezia is actually quite a surprising Sub Hunter. It has enough armor to get close, so she doesn’t get immediately deleted by something. She is also have Smoke to just rush into the subs. Pop the Surveillance and kill the sub and then get out from there. And I can understand why WG didn’t buff the Hydro because Sub players are so bad that when they get caught they just dies right away.

I now need a new pair of pants Worth it👌

Feels good man, now for a CV counter or some actual AA? 🤪😂

does the PTS also have the plane spotting changes?

We've suffered enough..time to fight back...

Amazing 😂

im going to grind venezia as i write

3:02 wait, Defence doesn’t have citadel? It’s a british cruiser, half of it is supposed to be lightly armored citadel

wait WHAT????? You have something in the venezia that counters subs?????? IM GOING TO BUY IT RIGHT NOW!

I don't see the new sub-supervision on my Venezia. I also don't see a change in the Hindenburg in the new update either. How is it possible ? Everything remains the same as before the update.

Flolo having fun hunting subs, yeah this is getting nerfed very funny watching a sub getting dunked on tho.

If I was a betting man, I would put my life savings on a bet that this is going to get nerfed. There's no way that WG isn't going to pander to their brain dead submarine players. If this stays as is and the carrier rework is reasonable, I would gladly consider getting back into this game.

I mean you gotta cut them some slack, they’re under water and there for struggle to think and breathe at the same time

Clearly subs need a buff

How is zao vs subs? I know it doesn't have sap which is super effective against subs, but the HE still slaps.

wargamming next " we add new premium corvette and frigate with their lines from tier 7-10 to fight subs"

I almost climaxed at 2.28 into this video. If this goes live I might be tempted go return go this otherwise clown fiesta of a game.

these sub surveillance is instantly ready? kinda weird subs need wait few minutes before it come online

30 Planes in venezia, how broken is AA

Hu? Where do he get the sub stuff? My venezia doesnt have it?

lol 😄 GG!

Flamu had fun Sorry but we won't have this new consumables

Weeg marketing tactics consist of creating a problem that angers people so that people can have fun pissing other players off, and then selling the solution so that players can have fun counter playing the problem ships all while feeling like justice has been served against the broken game mechanics.

This is a step in the right direction, assuming WG doesn’t tamper with it in some way (which they will, because WG). Another step would be giving it to ships that have hydro, as well. This would probably take the form of the ship having two different consumables, as I doubt WG understands the spaghetti code enough to just merge the two into what would actually be a more historically accurate hydro (Dutch ships still don’t have plane-based ASW, after all). All this is just wishful thinking on my part. WG is still WG, after all.

@sozetsukokai9327

5 ай бұрын

You say that but when subs were released, by which I mean the very first official release, they were spotted by hydro at all depths as long they're within the hydro range. It's not so much merging the consumables but them giving hydro its original capabilities back

@Gale0cerdocuvier

5 ай бұрын

Ideally, you would be correct. Restoring hydro to how it was when subs were introduced would be the most direct way to help make subs more balanced. However, we have to deal with WG. My idea was to make more gradual changes until the game reaches what you are saying. Conditioning WG, if you will, so that they allow the changes that the game needs to actually get implemented.

They probably gonna nerf the range to 5 km and duration to 15s.

it will never go live like that. they may as well remove submarines from the game.

Truly you are doing the Lord's work. Bless you

so if i understand we need to go play subs on pt and get good dpg and avg xp so wg will not nerf it because it "wont" affect subs gameplay

This is too OP its almost like having AA to take out planes :)

It was so beautiful my eyes are wet

Is this live???

Those WG clowns would never buff a light cruiser, they continue to nerf them mostly.....oblivious to the need for counterplay in game, they have had head in sand since subs were added.

TSD Total Sub Death

Careful you don't go overboard guys, WG might start buffing subs and nerfing the new sub spotter!! XDDD If WG are only looking at discord and the sub players are all whining there in their own WG protected safe space then the devs wont see anything else :(

flolo on fire

good change WG :)

So is this another russian server only thing?

Getting nerfed in 3....2....1

I don't get why this guy thanks Subs on twitch, but as soon as they are Subs in game he hates them.

The duality of Flamu; he both loves and hates the subs (hint: twitch).

Oh look a consumable that counters submarines, I might actually return to the game. Wait, it's not available to Light Cruisers, and will get nerfed before Live? Forget it, I'll stay away then

If you aren’t a Venezia main, I shall be disappointed. Love the rage quits, glad someone else talks like that to these weebs.

Thanks for nerfing this now.#blameflolo

Flamu seems extra salty these days.