So it's a tunnel with cars running in it, wow, truly earth-shattering technology!

@ButeSound

Жыл бұрын

Small cheap tunnels and EVs with no emissions to vent.

@alfredoxu7926

Жыл бұрын

@@ButeSound how was the electricity creatd? probably from coal.

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

@@alfredoxu7926 nope, the two above-ground Loop station have huge solar arrays to charge the EVs and 140 of Vegas’s government buildings and facilities (as well as a growing number of casinos and hotels) are now 100% solar-powered as well. Hoover dam also supplies hydroelectric power to the city.

@marianpazdzioch6632

Жыл бұрын

@@ButeSound Small and cheap ? Compared to what ? Metro ? Regular underground roads ? Before or after you take into account throughput ?

@ButeSound

Жыл бұрын

@@marianpazdzioch6632 other tunnels and rolling stock.

Isn't this just an unsafe, inefficient bunch of taxis with more staff and only 1 route? Like, what happens if a car stops working in the tunnel?

@BethePandaGames

Жыл бұрын

That would be a lot worse than being stuck in an elevator.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

It hasn't happened so far, but they do have a tow vehicle that can get a stopped car out. Also the drivers are trained to drive in reverse and they can turn the "gamer lights" solid red to indicate that the tunnels is being evacuated. It would suck. As much as being stuck on a stopped subway train (which I have been). But as I say, it hasn't happened yet in real life.

@alfredoxu7926

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 how do you tow the car out if 3 cars are stuck and can't move?

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@alfredoxu7926 If three cars were stuck you would have to tow them one at a time. But so far they haven’t had to tow even one so far.

@lucariomew365

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 Yes they haven't so far because the tunnels aren't in Mass use. But imagine in a major city urban center when thousands would be trying to use it per hour. All while there is limited space to be used these are cars (not trams or trains), eventually they're going to have to cram a bunch of strangers in one tiny car, otherwise traffic in these tunnels with be backed up in a scar hitherto unseen. IDK why it's so hard for people to see that.

I’m sorry, but why not just build a train? 😭

@totallypiggy7434

Жыл бұрын

Way WAY CHEEPER to build and maintain. Private cars they take you where you want directly through the (future) full network.

@RodrickViews

Жыл бұрын

I think that’s the eventual plan. Low-pressure tubes that can reach insane speeds and travel long distances.

@CalebResponds

Жыл бұрын

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vactrain

@AmbientMorality

Жыл бұрын

@@totallypiggy7434 Much worse throughout though (and costs start piling up when you try to increase that with more tunnels-as well as raising increasing safety concerns as crashes become more likely)

@totallypiggy7434

Жыл бұрын

@@AmbientMorality and trains cost even more with the same about of travel distance

Americans really will stop at nothing to avoid building an actual subway.

@checkoutmyyoutubepage

Жыл бұрын

And the guy in the video falls for the scam.

Wow, a tunnel with no emergency/safety exit where you can drive 30 km/h. I'm sure that the elevator at start and end doesn't cause traffic jam either! 🎉😂

More like "Hyperbole" than "Hyperloop" to me!

This is the future... and it's really stupid.

Wow Elon "invented" ride sharing and car tunnels that need dozens of workers to operate it. He is such a genius! 😆🤦‍♂️

@DorkJelly

Жыл бұрын

lol. The only person saying Elon "invented" ride sharing and car tunnels...is YOU in your own head because you needed to "invent" a reason to hate on Elon or his projects.

@checkoutmyyoutubepage

Жыл бұрын

@@DorkJellyyou still didn’t disprove that it takes dozens of people to operate it.

@TheRealColt45

6 ай бұрын

Yeah but did you notice it has disco lights? True genius. Nobody else would have thought of that.

Driver for each car and another dozen staff at each “station”. Seems like a very heavy maintenance cost to me. Question: At the start you did it would take you 15 mins to walk to the media centre. From point to point how much quicker was the Loop? Taking into account the walk to the station, waiting for the taxi, 23mph driving time, walk from the surface station to the media centre? Plus you missed all there is to see along the way if you walked. Not convinced. And certainly not “Hyperloop”.

@avgjoe5969

Жыл бұрын

Not efficient at this stage. The autonomous cars could handle this with a more streamlined onboarding/offboarding at the stations. (As is, alot of pedestrians in between cars, no straight through loading/unloading). 12 seat capacity minivan/people transporter would also be more practical (Tesla has yet to build such a van, so 3 years out at least). This is a beginning. Need to see the transport van and autonomous driving. This will also unlock better speed. Certainly can't have people walking between the cars... so a different onboarding/offboarding process.

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

The Loop has a higher driver to passenger ratio than the Vegas Bus service so I wouldn’t call it “maintenance heavy”. The Vegas Bus service has a ridership of 101,939 people per day, but that is using a fleet of 708 buses. That is a ratio of one bus (and driver) carrying 143 passengers each day.

In the case of the LVCC Loop, it moves up to 27,000 people per day using a fleet of just 70 EVs which is a ratio of one car moving 386 passengers each day.

So the Vegas bus service requires over 2.7x the number of buses/drivers to move the same number of passengers over the course of a day as each Loop EV transports.

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

The Loop vehicles run at 40mph down the straights and 30mph around the bends, much faster than the average speed of subway trains which is only 17mph.

@littlehippo5004

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429 Many of these facts are utterly false, especially the final one about speed. If you look at leading metros in many places in the world like Shanghai, Chengdu, Tokyo, even bart in California, the trains go between 50-80mph. Modern subways are very fast, and since this system would be brand new, it would also be quick thanks to the latest technologies. Additionally, the figure of 27,000 people per day is pure speculation at this point. This system runs underground so it must be compared to the much more efficient system that is a subway. A reliable subway line(take the 2/3 Uptown line in NYC, has a capacity of over 29,000 passengers per hour on a peak frequency of 23 trains per hour). There is truly no advantage to this system in the eyes of the city, it is beyond reason that they would commit to such a money dump.

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

@@littlehippo5004 hi Hippo, you missed the word “average” in my earlier comment. Yes, the *top* speed of many subways is 50-80 mph (80-130 km/h) down long unimpeded stretches of track and the Boring Co has shown the Loop EVs have easily reached 127mph (205km/h) down the longer 1.14 mile Loop tunnel in Hawthorne. But the *average* speed of the NYC Subway is only 17.4mph because like all trains it has to stop and wait at every station on the line. The average speed of the London Tube is 22mph for the same reason. In contrast, the Loop EVs go direct to their destination without having to stop and wait anywhere. That is why the Loop EVs average 30-40 mph in the short 0.8 mile tunnels of the LVCC Loop, but will average 60mph (100km/h) down the long arterial tunnels of the 34 mile 55 station Vegas Loop that is now under construction.

Loop. Not hyperloop. Hyperloops are supposed to connect cities over long distance

@travman1987

Жыл бұрын

Shut up Musk boy

@RodrickViews

Жыл бұрын

Gg

@tabithaowens348

Жыл бұрын

Gotta start somewhere with testing…

Wow, seeing the video, the experience is just like a typical metro here in Spain, just a little slower to do the same distance and less safe because of the lak of railroad...

God this looks painfully inefficient

Good news. What about the test tube above the ground ?

Did I see that the cars are keeping under 25 miles per hour? That probably helps minimize the continuous wear.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

It’s usually 40 mph. Probably they reduced it during the busy time so cars could follow closer.

wow the us is at least 10 years behind

Can someone name ONE advantage over a subway system?

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

1) The average wait time is less than ten seconds. 2) You go to your destination instead of stopping at other stations to pick up or drop off other passengers. 3) (In the larger Loop system being constructed) You won't have to get off a train and wait on a platform for a different train because our route includes two (or more) lines. 4) Promises to be far less expensive to install than subways, allowing smaller cities to have underground transit systems. The LVCVA paid $55 million to build the LVCC Loop. A proposal for an underground train was going to cost four times as much. I'm sorry. You only asked for ONE. I guess I failed. I do have more advantages.

@DorkJelly

Жыл бұрын

cost. There that was simple.

@arthurbdt2329

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 the larger loop system won’t be built

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@arthurbdt2329 Construction is underway.

@arthurbdt2329

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 on the vegas boulevard main segment ? Not at all, won’t happen.

i am just curious how a city can allow to allocate this tunnel to be just dedicated for teslas or do they plan to allow other brands? makes no sense to me

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

It’s not for private cars, only the fleet of vehicles used by the Loop which at this point in time are Teslas but will be exuding to EV vans for accessibility and potentially higher capacity vans, buses and pods down the track.

@checkoutmyyoutubepage

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429you’re making it up.

Is the car being driven or is there a belt on which it’s riding?

@RodrickViews

Жыл бұрын

Currently it’s being completely human driven. In the future it should be fully autonomous.

Come to Turkey see the avrasya tunnel.

I wasn't able to see from the video, but can you tell us how much of the ride was automated? I'm assuming at the minimum the voyage through the tunnel is operating on some autonomous driving principles. What about exiting the tunnels and arriving or departing from the "platform" for disembarking and boarding, still reliant on the drivers to make the necessary turns? Because the problem that seems to be worth solving is how to coordinate a large fleet of vehicles as they approach the disembarkation point with many moving parts, if they've somehow written code to do that, it could have some further implications down the line, maybe not with the Boring project, but with FSD.

@RodrickViews

Жыл бұрын

This was actually fully human-driven. Not sure why, the tunnel did have solid guiding lines. I guess they weren’t ready to make it autonomous just yet. The Tesla was also in Chill Mode.

@andrewheng5176

Жыл бұрын

​@@RodrickViews oh wow, interesting, no wonder people are skeptical about it, they're not seeing the implications this could have if it was fully or partially automated, I'm also quite surprised the drivers are able to drive through the tight tunnel so effortlessly. It's still more of a gimmick more than anything at this point, an attraction for Vegas visitors but would love to see them push the limits of this

@AmbientMorality

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewheng5176 Fully autonomous subways are already existing technology though-this seems like a much more hard to manage airport subway system.

@andrewheng5176

Жыл бұрын

@@AmbientMorality yeah, but I look at it as different solutions catered for different needs. Per cost basis, it's really hard to know which is more efficient at unit cost until the final vision of loop is realized. Not all cities have enough usage to justify a full-scale subway network, maybe loop is sort of an in between solution. This is a fix cost vs. variable cost problem.

@checkoutmyyoutubepage

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewheng5176 there are automated mass transit systems across the globe that carry thousands per trip. Not 3-4. The Vegas monorail is automated.

Omg the man invented tunnels, what a genius Musk our lord and savior is!

@dconnectzone

Жыл бұрын

Keep crying! You the one who saying that... Did Elon say Hey Guys! I invented tunnels. Holy f this comment and their jealousness. The genuine customers are happy when they get ride, and score is 4.9/5. For safety check official web(site) not the mo(ron) comments on how bad safety is . Elon do say a lot, even if it is late, he delivers, and customers are happy.

@joshe9831

Жыл бұрын

The company invented a drill that completes tasks for a fraction of traditional cost. Just like SpaceX and Tesla, the objective was to lower costs FAR below any competition could do it, and in this aspect he succeeded in all companies.

@travman1987

Жыл бұрын

@@joshe9831 did you cum?

@alfredoxu7926

Жыл бұрын

@@rohanaroskar1863 shush you are not supposed to question the holy almighty Musk.

@vasiliyt8600

Жыл бұрын

@@joshe9831 The Boring company didn't invented any drill.

Does it actually take 15 minutes to walk the stretch?

@RodrickViews

Жыл бұрын

Yes, we walked it after and it was pretty bad. We stood at a stoplight for about 5 minutes too. Plus it was cold outside. 🥶

That seems like the biggest waste of money.... a metro could be faster, cheaper and there wouldn't be the uncomfortable silence with the driver.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

They took bids for this project. The underground train option wasted an unbelievable amount of money. It was at least $150 million more than this. And not faster. You’d have to wait for the train. This has an average wait time under 10 seconds. You’d probably already be at your destination using this vs. still waiting for the metro train.

@alimfuzzy

Жыл бұрын

@Kevin Bailey it's about throughput...moving thousands of oeople/hour vs 700... besides just watching that seemed longer than jumping in a metro. A peak hour metro of 30km has a wait time of 3 minutes, a boarding time of 1 minute and can easily accommodate old, disabled and luggage, even bikes. With the loop if you're in a group you wait for them to put the single travellers on first. And from other videos it can take over 15 minutes during peak hour at a convention. Cost means nothing if you build the wrong thing... this is a joke.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@alimfuzzy TBC has said that the LV Loop will be able to transport 57,000 passengers per hour. Three minutes wait time is a lot longer than ten seconds. And the loop will be able to maintain their short wait time even in off peak hours. Metros tend to cut their schedules back when they are not busy. Passengers traveling then get to wait a lot longer.

@alimfuzzy

Жыл бұрын

@Kevin Bailey yeah, that's what they say.. doesn't mean it's true. People would have to teleport into the car to get that. Elon makes a lot of promises he never fulfils...remember the original pitch was to have fully automated car carriers, then it got changed cars guided on tracks... and now its a taxi rank with mood lighting.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@alimfuzzy Yes, there's no guarantee that it will be able to do 57k per hour. But the system will be much bigger with many more vehicles (some likely with higher capacity and even luggage racks). The vehicles will be spread out along 30+ miles of tunnels and loading and unloading at 50+ stations. So it's certain that it will be able to carry far more passengers than the LVCC Loop with three stations and just about a mile and a half of tunnels. The promise of 57k came from a spokesperson for TBC, but it wasn't Elon Musk (the jerk). If it turns out to max out at 50k, would you say it's a totally broken promise? What if they then expand the system with more tunnels and stations, and it's able to handle 60k? Do they get credit for that? The fuel LV loop will also be a taxi stand with mood lighting. That gets you where you're going faster than a surface taxi or other available transport.

Was that full auto pilot or did they driver have to pull out and then start the auto pilot?

@daviyen

Жыл бұрын

They're not self driving. This damn thing is so labor intensive it's silly.

@BethePandaGames

Жыл бұрын

@@daviyen yeah I thought CES was about proof of concept… not sure what they are trying to prove tho? That they can dig a hole more efficiently?

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

The Loop is less labour intensive than the Vegas Bus Service which has a ridership of 101,939 people per day using a fleet of 708 buses. That is a ratio of one bus (and driver) carrying 143 passengers each day.

In the case of the LVCC Loop, it moves up to 27,000 people per day using a fleet of just 70 EVs which is a ratio of one car moving 386 passengers each day.

So the Vegas bus service requires over 2.7x the number of buses/drivers to move the same number of passengers over the course of a day as each Loop EV transports. And of course, once autonomy is turned on, the Loop will be vastly better.

@StinkPickle4000

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429 Nice use of "up to" when comparing to a cities average...

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

@@StinkPickle4000 because the Loop is dedicated to the convention centre it only operates during events at that centre making it a bit difficult to compare to commuter-based public transport that operates year-around. During medium-size conventions like CES and SEMA the Loop handles 25,000 - 27,000 people per day, but the LVCC only employs enough casual drivers for the projected size of each convention so is still significantly less labour intensive than the Vegas Bus service even with small conventions.

I like the tunnel idea but I would ditch the Teslas or at least make a Tesla tram that can carry many people at a time.

@IfhesK

Жыл бұрын

because that sounds a lot like public transportation and that is not stonks.

this was sad. i see a lot of criticism and i 100% agree with them. at least for now. they promised 130mph and self driving in these tunnels. and this was a person driving and 35mph. so not as near as they let us belive. i just hope that they just arent ready. and in idk 5 to 10 years they will deliver what they promised because this isnt worth it.

@checkoutmyyoutubepage

Жыл бұрын

Japan is building a maglev train that runs 80% underground that is gonna run at 220 MPH. It’s under construction right now.

Look, the waiting time and inefficiency... Sad relic. More of a Tesla amusement park

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

Average wait time at CES was under 15 seconds. Much better than a train.

@checkoutmyyoutubepage

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827except the Teslas aren’t ADA complaint.

I keep expecting one of the cars to catch on fire while accelerating into the crowd...

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

Expecting or hoping? It’s no more likely than a runaway train derailing and crashing into a crowded station.

@A_Random_Commenter

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 expecting, in much the same way as when I see a tesla I expect the body is poorly made.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@A_Random_Commenter Then you’re not likely to have your expectations met.

@A_Random_Commenter

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 Every time I look at one I see missing pieces of trim and body panels that don't line up, shoddy overpriced junk.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@A_Random_Commenter That is so interesting.... But they're so unlikely to burst into flames in these tunnels that the preparation done by TBC and the fire department in case of such a disaster will probably be for nothing.

They should have just put a train in the tunnel instead.

As with every Musk promise...over promised and under delivered.

Wow 20 seconds is fast why the video 7 mins?

@RodrickViews

Жыл бұрын

*Obviously* to show the whole experience…

@checkoutmyyoutubepage

Жыл бұрын

@@RodrickViewsyou never used real transit huh?

This is the future that was promised by Elon Musk 9 and half years ago, truly striking.

Ineffective and inefficient. Here is a idea ,A longer car with many wheels on a couple tracks

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

This is very effective. Average wait times under 15 seconds. Average trip times under 2 minutes. A longer car with many wheels on tracks wouldn’t be able to match that.

@chunyiluo2774

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 Why did the guy in the video wait nearly 2 minutes and multiple people in the background also seemed to wait more than 15? Does the average including non-peak times? Hong Kong's MTR targets a sub 2 minute train frequency during peak hour with each train capable of carrying like 3,000 people for comparison. The system handles around 4 million riders per day. I don't know how Loop scales because you would need 700-800 teslas to equal a single MTR train.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@chunyiluo2774 I’m not sure why the guy in the video waited, though the driver who opened both the frunk and the hatchback probably contributed to the extra time. That’s not usual. I didn’t see anyone waiting 15 minutes in the video, but if the average is less than 10 seconds then one person waiting 15 minutes has to be balanced by a thousand people waiting only 9 seconds (or a smaller number waiting less than 9 seconds). I’m sure they do include less busy times in their average. During less busy times the cars will be idle at the stations, so the wait times will be zero. I don’t think you’d need 800 Tesla cars to take the place of one metro train. Since the cars don’t stop at every station, the can get their passengers to their destinations sooner and then immediately pick up more passengers or go to where it is needed. The train has to keep going to the end of its route, getting emptier as it goes along. Also, I suspect Tesla will introduce larger vehicles with more capacity into the loop fleet.

More like Hypoloop! How slow can you go?! Could have walked faster. BORING!

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

The Loop goes 30-40mph, far faster than the average speed of a subway which is only 17mph.

@eilois

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429 the video recording show it just run 19-23 MPH. That tiny tunnel, twice that fast anyone would crash including the so called self driving that hire driver...

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

@@eilois Hi Eilois, you might want to do a search on YT for “127 mph tunnel” and you’ll find a video of TBC demonstrating a Tesla racing smoothly up to 127mph (205 km/h) down the 1.14 mile Loop tunnel in Hawthorne California. You’ll also find many videos of the Loop EVs easily doing 30-40mph in the current LVCC Loop tunnels. It’s not nearly so difficult as you seem to believe.

@sszibler

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429 It goes like, what, 1/4 mile? Took them forever to get to it and actually get on - about the same amount of time it would have taken to just walk out in the sunlight. You can’t just count the moving speed for Hypoloop. I’m positive you didn’t for a subway. Metro in DC easily does 55 mph.

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

@@sszibler Yes, the *top* speed of the DC Metro is 75 mph (121 km/h) down long unimpeded stretches of track and the Boring Co has shown the Loop EVs can easily reach 127mph (205km/h) down the longer 1.14 mile Loop tunnel in Hawthorne. But the *average* speed of the Washington Metro is only 33mph because like all trains it has to stop and wait at every station on the line. The average speed of the London Tube is 22mph and the NYC Subway only 17mph for the same reason. In contrast, the Loop EVs go direct to their destination without having to stop and wait anywhere. That is why the Loop EVs average 30-40 mph in the short 0.8 mile tunnels of the LVCC Loop, but will average 60mph (100km/h) down the long arterial tunnels of the 34 mile 55 station Vegas Loop that is now under construction.

What about child seats

@RodrickViews

Жыл бұрын

Given that this was for CES and there’s no children, they didn’t have any, but that is a good question about when it’s fully operative. 🤔

@checkoutmyyoutubepage

Жыл бұрын

@@RodrickViewswhat about ADA requirements? And where are the emergency exits in the tunnels?

Dude

I Love It....

Not a hyperloop

This entire process seems like a mess. You should not have that many people working just to run the station. There is nothing groundbreaking about this at all. This is nothing awesome about this. Build a train problem solved.

@checkoutmyyoutubepage

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Each car has a driver too.

Worst amusement ride ever!

@RodrickViews

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

This is so unbelievably stupid and wasteful.