I could be wrong but I think this is the only time can Buren pulled her piece in the whole time she was on the show which was kind of significant.

@ATLKing404

4 жыл бұрын

No, she pulled it a few more times after but this is the only time she ever actually fired. The vast majority of cops go their whole careers without firing ONCE

@TheStapleGunKid

4 жыл бұрын

There was at least one other episode where she did draw.

@lukedaley17

3 жыл бұрын

She stated that was first time in 12 years she used her firearm.

@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295

3 жыл бұрын

@@ATLKing404 Especially once they get promoted to LT and have a desk job.

@craigcrisostomo9803

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, it would've rocked if she fired her gun again in the series finale.

For years, S. Epatha Merkerson as Anita Van Buren was the longest continuing role for any character in the Law & Order franchise, until Mariska Hargitay as Olivia Benson broke her record.

@dangurney1042

4 жыл бұрын

I think Dann Florek as Donald Cragen still holds the record if you count his time on both Law & Order and SVU. Unless you only mean on one show.

@BrotherDerrick3X

4 жыл бұрын

@@dangurney1042 Dann Florek had breaks in his time. He had about 4 years as Cragen on the original Law and Order, and about 15years on SVU. There was a 5 year gap between his time on the original and his time on SVU. Mariska's was a continuous 21 years.

@conephompany

4 жыл бұрын

what about Schiff?

@BrotherDerrick3X

4 жыл бұрын

@@conephompany Steven Hill was only 10 years as Adam Schiff. That was the last role he played

@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrotherDerrick3X Jack McCoy had to be high on the list too.

I’m gonna say it. We’ve been in quarantine quite some time now. How about throwing us a couple full length episodes?

@spriest5994

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@Raven27495

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely

@j.d.c4990

4 жыл бұрын

YES!!

@gradualdescent1729

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@dcviper985

4 жыл бұрын

WEtv and Sundance run them almost constantly.

Turned out the guy who died was the lookout: her bullet went through the other guy the one with the gun and into him

@darkestnight0014

3 жыл бұрын

Did they catch the other guy?

@WarGrowlmon18

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkestnight0014 They did but he claimed that she had murdered his unarmed friend and that he did nothing wrong. Poor kid who died was mentally disabled too but Van Buren ultimately did nothing wrong at least not criminally. The detectives managed to prove that and with the reluctant help of the dead boy's mother she got the evidence needed to prove the other one's lies and convict him

@kingjamez2643

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, a through & throught... I would've never thought that because I surprisingly never seen this episode...

@christybradfield7812

2 жыл бұрын

@@WarGrowlmon18 Thanks for the information!

@WarGrowlmon18

2 жыл бұрын

@@christybradfield7812 Your welcome.

Her scene with the department shrink in this episode is not to be missed. Prolly her best in the entire series. From the heart.

@cloudtx

2 жыл бұрын

A good scene but I personally think some of her best acting was done in the last season when she had the spotlight due to her character's cancer. She did a wonderful job there.

Van Buren acted in self-defense. She could have been a statistic.

“Jump” by Kris Kross was still one of the hottest popular song, that was still getting radio play and music channels.

"Boss you just killed a child! Great work thats why you are the best!"

Kiss Kross playing. The Lt and her kids know what was up.

@Icecube88

4 жыл бұрын

lmao

I like Van Buren. I was surprised that she as never promoted to Captain. But I guess it was implied that she never would be because she sued the department back in the day. I think it was 3 seasons later (from the season in this video). Curtis was Lenny's partner when it happened. Some background into it: she sued the department because they promoted another officer to Captain. Her and Buren got the same score on the test, but Buren has seniority over her. She argued that it was discriminatory (the other officer was a white woman). A judge dropped her case, but the damage was already done. They wanted her to quit. But as you know, she never did.

@theodorefrazier2989

4 жыл бұрын

Got to love office politics... They're everywhere. I think she would have been a great Captain too.

@BrotherDerrick3X

3 жыл бұрын

@@theodorefrazier2989 she was my favorite lady from Law and Order. She should have been a Captain. At least they made my 2nd favorite lady (Liv Benson) captain.

@angiki9988

2 жыл бұрын

You often find that main characters have some sort of problem that prevents then from advancing in their career, simply because otherwise they would get promoted too high up to be part of the action. It's the same way Cragen never went past captain. He testified against the higher ups in that corruption case and made a hell of a lot of enemies in the process.

@Icecube88

2 жыл бұрын

@@angiki9988 olivia seems to be moving up tho

They shouldn't have tried to rob her. If you can't take a slug, don't be a thug.

@toomanyaccounts

4 жыл бұрын

due to gun control, criminals in new york aren't afraid to commit crimes. in areas without gun control criminals don't tend to commit many crimes and when word gets out that a crook is shot dead by a civilian, crime goes down for a period as criminals avoid that area

@Deborahtunes

4 жыл бұрын

@@toomanyaccounts ~ 👍 Yes sir. But you can't tell the gun control fanatics about that. They don't get the connection...

@RICHIECOQUI

4 жыл бұрын

@@toomanyaccounts You don't need a gun permit to buy a gun in nyc that what old man told me in a basement under a bodega told me!!!☺

@juliantapia1407

4 жыл бұрын

@@toomanyaccounts But you're not really accounting for the rebuttal, which is they can also oftentimes go and buy more guns or bigger guns, in an effort to be better prepared if someone they want to target has a gun

@toomanyaccounts

4 жыл бұрын

@@juliantapia1407 except criminals tend to buy garbage guns in the hood for 50 bucks. they don't buy guns from legal avenues they buy guns in back alleys from other criminals who either made the gun illegally or stole it.

She's used to being in rough neighborhoods,, at one time she delivered the mail at Pee Wee's Playhouse

@Dontevenknowfam

3 жыл бұрын

You win Bruh! 😂😂😂

We could really do with this show making a comeback. Especially with the current state of our society and politics

@TheAmateurEditor

4 жыл бұрын

Have you seen what an SJW wet-dream SVU has become over the last 10 years? No thanks, i'd rather my all time favourite show not be brought back just to be gang-raped.

@claire_stapley

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheAmateurEditor I understand what mean and Yes I have seen some of those progressive SVU episodes of late, but most, myself included, were critical of them. I wasn't necessarily wanting anything like that. Something that draws attention to the hypocrisies on both sides but just updated.

@c5d53g2e

4 жыл бұрын

At least put it on Netflix

@shannonstewart4792

4 жыл бұрын

Hell Naw lol. Just watch the news. Or worst watch CNN.

@DorvellTStewart

3 жыл бұрын

SVU, an SJW wet dream? Just curious, what gives you that idea?

"I got A+ in Politically Correct", LMAO!!!! XD

@kaidms

2 жыл бұрын

Great writing lol

@gyutarosan5311

Жыл бұрын

I need to use that one day.

I have watched Law&Order, SVU, Criminal Intent over and over; j absolutely love the cast- every character perfect- miss all those who left us- Briscoe, Curtis, Greene, the various DAs, etal. Great great show!

I remember this one. What finally cracks the case is her speaking to the mother of the boy that was killed. The mother reveals the boy... SPOILERS collected baseball cards, and had purchased a gift by selling some. The defense was trying to say the boy had motive for trying to rob her because he was going to buy a gift for a girl he knew. Since he already had it, no motive.

@Eliza-zr4en

4 жыл бұрын

So they just wanted more money for no reason

@Grahf0

4 жыл бұрын

@@Eliza-zr4en Nope, the defendant in the case was simply guilty, and his defense was trying to blame it on the kid who died. They were too hard set on the gift defense to change gears. To try something like that would be some Richard Racehorse Haynes level of BS (he was a real-life defense lawyer, look up his defense approach about dog biting if you don't know what I'm talking about).

@Eliza-zr4en

4 жыл бұрын

@@Grahf0 I see. Thanks

@yucol5661

3 жыл бұрын

So he wasn’t mugging her after all?

@Grahf0

3 жыл бұрын

@@yucol5661 I guess, to better explain the whole story: The defendant in the case was mugging her. When she shot him the bullet passed through him or by him and killed another kid, he just happened to be there with the defendant, I believe the mugging was kind of a spur-of-the-moment thing. So the defendant tried making up a story that it was the dead boy's intent to mug her, because he wanted to buy a gift for a girl he liked. She meets the mother of the boy who is actually killed and pleads with her. The mother has a change of heart and shows her that the boy had sold some valuable baseball cards and already had the gift ready and waiting before he died. Which pretty much sunk the defendant. At the end of the episode, Stone is talking to her. He humorously tells her that, if his father were in her place, there would have been two dead kids, not one. And Stone says he himself would have gotten a conviction as he kind of smiles at her.

Lenny sarcasm has me rolling over here.

3:05 Most unrealistic part about this was the cops turning on one of their own for shooting a kid

@rutger5000

2 жыл бұрын

Van Buren is a black women. She isn't "one of their own".

@alexbrown7708

2 жыл бұрын

Also unrealistic that it was a black women shooting a kid.

@henryviii3264

2 жыл бұрын

Most cops will tell you this but since they aren't here to defend themselves I will: Good cops hate bad cops as much as the activists that hate all cops. The difference is that cops can see when a case just looks bad (IE a justified shoot with unfortunate consequences) and an unjustified shoot (Shooting a suspect in the back). This LOOKED like an unjustified shooting, as such the captain, who doesn't know Van Buren, is obviously and rightfully outraged. I'd also like to say that to sit here and judge a profession you know absolutely nothing about is plainly offensive, regardless of the profession. Maybe you should go for a ride-along and see what the profession is really like before you sit in your high chair and pass judgment.

@fighder2

2 жыл бұрын

@@henryviii3264 By dat logic we should never criticize politicians cuz we never been one, who are we peasants to pass judgement on politicians working their jobs when we never done the job ourselves.

@aniquinstark4347

2 жыл бұрын

@@rutger5000 Lmao that's such bullshit

One of my favorite episodes

And this took place in 1994. Imagine them trying to do this episode in 2020.

@garmenlin5990

4 жыл бұрын

Chicago PD Season 3. Episode "Justice" It has a similar plot.

@Icecube88

4 жыл бұрын

@@garmenlin5990 thanks

@amartyaroy3754

3 жыл бұрын

Ice T's story arc in the latest season deals with this topic but then again times are different many white male cops wouldn't take orders from Black Female Superior, it was the 90s after all as clearly highlighted by the attitude of the IA investigator in this episode.

@jadefalcon001

3 жыл бұрын

@@amartyaroy3754 Character is well acted. I wanted to punch his face in by 30 seconds in. It's pretty clear by his "politically correct" statement that his attitude is that he has to say the right words, but doesn't actually think people that aren't white and male have any role in leadership.

@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295

3 жыл бұрын

@@amartyaroy3754 Sadly that attitude of the "good Ole boys club" is still around. I am embroiled in it with my fire dept, but the court will settle it soon.

That Captain made Ed Tucker look like a saint

i'm not gonna lie, when it said that Van Buren kills a boy, i swear to god, i thought it meant one of those little kids in the car with her XD

One of best episodes

WHO STUPIDLY TRIES TO ROB A COP?

@chenrobbins

4 жыл бұрын

There's a lot of stupid people out there, and a lot of people have no respect for LEO's or life in general. Heck, these days there are people who go out and shoot people in the back just because they are cops.

@salvation122

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, she wasn't exactly in uniform.

@theodorefrazier2989

4 жыл бұрын

I honestly don't think they knew. They just saw a woman by herself.. she wasn't in uniform.

Logan brings the heat🤣🤣🤣

Them kids played on spikes Lee crooklyn as brother's back in 1994 ol days

I adore Van Buren She's my TV Mom❤

Imagine how things would be if those kids shot, or god forbid, killed Van Buren. Those two's lives would effectively be over for the fact they did so to a police officer while her kids were in the car.

@KojinMacJorn

Жыл бұрын

Forget the Kids in the car, I believe in most states, it's an AUTOMATIC death penalty for killing a cop (or at the bare minimum Life w/o Parole). The kids being there is just the sad, proverbial icing on the cake.

@Nandoswitharando

Жыл бұрын

@@KojinMacJorn wish it was that way for civilians too. It’s no secret they get preferential treatment when it’s one of them.

Van Buren had the blammer on her

Kris Kross playing in the background lol

0:01 hey Wendell should you be back at Crooklyn (Spike Lee Joint)😂🤣

I miss Logan & Lenny

This was a good episode

Spoiler alert: I didn't see this episode, but I think she's going to be alright.

Kris Kross- Jump This song was playing in the beginning, just to let you know.

The only part of this that's unbelievable is why a police officer is going to an ATM at night. That's something any police officer would say to not do.

@georgekraus9357

4 жыл бұрын

True, everyone uses credit cards or debit .... I haven't been to atm machine in over 6 months

@hotohori69

4 жыл бұрын

This was the 90s... Debit cards and CCs werent taken everywhere like they are now.

@eldridgedavis

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah in NYC, Chicago, and Los Angeles maybe. And places with similar high levels of violent crime.

@nishthadhand4594

4 жыл бұрын

That's no excuse to try and rob someone..

@DavidJohnson-dp4vv

Жыл бұрын

@@eldridgedavis ATM robberies are actually quite rare though.

Both Tse-Mach Washington and Sharif Rashed played on Crooklyn 1994.

I don't remember watching this but didn't they use the ATM camera?

Oh no, the captain brought out the finger, I bet they’re all scared now.

@shaheedsimon24

4 жыл бұрын

😂

Listening to Jump Jump

They made a fatal error in the victim selection process.

If you try to rob someone, prepare to put your life in jeopardy.

Most implausible part of this episode is the idea that the captain was indignant that Buren, as a police officer, killed a kid.

Did the ATM not have a camera?

@toomanyaccounts

2 жыл бұрын

not during that time, or it was often broken, or of so low quality to be useless. give you a clue to get good quality cameras at say a gas station where you can actually see the license plates and have it in color cost several hundred thousand.

@toomanyaccounts

2 жыл бұрын

many atm still do this day don't have cameras around them. hence why card skimming or other fraud devices can be put on atms to steal users credit card info

Mike Novick from 24!

Prosecutors can be prosecuted

Video at the bank.

@LSSYLondon

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking- even 30 years ago surely they had cameras on ATMs

Wow! What a scene! Reminds me of the time (SVU) when during a bank robbery, Dr. Melinda Warner blew away a coked-up punk carrying an Uzi.

@WarGrowlmon18

3 жыл бұрын

She shot him in the leg to keep the kid from committing suicide by cop

@ivorytower99

3 жыл бұрын

@@WarGrowlmon18 Of course. She play's a Dr.

@WarGrowlmon18

3 жыл бұрын

@@ivorytower99 She's also ex-Air Force and had promised one of the guy's parents or something like that.

@electroskates2434

3 жыл бұрын

What episode

@ivorytower99

3 жыл бұрын

@@electroskates2434 Amen! Melinda was *fierce* in that episode!!! I was elated to see her, recently in a new episode of SVU.

Yeah Van Buren's a good cop

I'm sorry, but I'm just going to go ahead and say, that, as a Precinct Sargent with the NYPD, Van Buren should've known better. She left those kids alone in an unlocked van, to, in the middle of the night, get out, alone, and use an ATM in a poorly lit alcove, in early 90's New York City? This scene is like a handbook case for everything any cop would know not to do.

@BrotherDerrick3X

3 жыл бұрын

Van Buren was a Lieutenant.

@KarunanithiNRamachandran

10 ай бұрын

Yeah !!! You just indicted the whole of NY as rife with criminal activity , so much for NY cops .

That is some shizz cappin' a fool right in front of your kids.

They both played on Crooklyn

Whoa that’s interesting

It's weird hearing kris kross being a big thing

@toomanyaccounts

3 жыл бұрын

they were. they heavily played by mtv

@Alexandria87

2 жыл бұрын

@@toomanyaccounts Yeah man I miss being a 6 year old back in 1993 jamming out to this song

Does the ATM have cameras

Is he from crooklyn

4:40 So strangling them on camera in broad daylight is okay?

@Charming_Cthulhu

3 жыл бұрын

Yep

What series episode is thus ???

@madunwagbo4769

2 жыл бұрын

It’s in Season 5, one of the early episodes of the season

Hulu where u at with this series ? I need this added asap

@trevonpernell0814

3 жыл бұрын

Peacock!

Self defense

@princeblack952

4 жыл бұрын

No self defense with one in the back

@yucol5661

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but even if it was self defense she still killed a child (not legally murder nor manslaughter) and she shot the wrong one. The case is actually weather or not the one that did get killed was helping the mugger or if the mugger took advantage of them and used them and got them into a deadly situation.

@biruss

2 жыл бұрын

@@yucol5661 Muggers fault

The chief is making a lot of sense. I hope that kid wasn't unarmed.

@naomiiii0314

4 жыл бұрын

Sol Invictus he was, says it in the video

Reba became a killer

They tried robbing her though

@WarGrowlmon18

3 жыл бұрын

Her bullet went through the guy with the gun and into his lookout behind him. That's how he died. I remember that one. Tragic part is that the dead kid was developmentally disabled: the other kid tricked him into it

Welp if it happens in real life then whoever they are involved in any crime, no matter what, they might get hurt or killed.

Thought it was a video from the Seinfeld youtube channel first! I see Van Buren I only see Seinfeld.😂

3:30 Lennie said it best.

God forbid she defend herself.

だいたい多くがさみしい場所にある。

mccoy moonlighting at the detective office??

Never knew Van Buren has Kids.

Having a badge shouldn't give her a pass, but it should count for something. Yes, do a full background check. Make sure she she isn't spending more than she makes taking credit card debt into consideration. Put her through a psychiatric evall. But when and if that all comes back clean, start doing some digging. What motive would she have to gun down an unarmed boy? Has she shown cowardly propensities? Because shooting someone in the back is cowardly. To me, something just doesn't ring true here. The NYPD doesn't give command of precincts to those who have shown any kind of instability. If they don't trust you, you are not offered command. Of course there has to be an investigation any time there is an officer involved shooting. But don't go into it thinking the one being investigated is guilty (or even innocent for that matter). Go into it with the attitude, "I don't know which is why we are investigating."

@TPTGopher

4 жыл бұрын

Kelly Rayburn I haven't seen the whole episode in a while, but if I'm not mistaken, it was a shot that went clean through its 100% legit target and into the second victim.

@electroskates2434

3 жыл бұрын

It was self defens

Shooting occurred across Khan Restaurant

We wish the kids were 16

Spoiler: weird plot. She negates to tell everyone that she was trying to shoot the teenager facing her and armed and never aimed for the one running away. Also, these aren't boys. I don't know what's with Hollywood and kids' ages They are teenagers. When I was 10, I was mediating arguments for my parents. By 16, those "boys" can impregnate a woman, be an effective part of a military combat unit, and be criminally charged.

3:30

Funny part is, they can't pin this as a race this time.

It’s okay just administrative leave and transfer to a different precinct.

What I hated about this was her character in multiple episodes always thought the idea of citizens carrying guns for protection was a bad idea, she has this horrific experience where even though shes acting as a normal citizen, she has a piece because shes a cop, and shoots someone in self defense, and after seeing that there is a legitimate place for concealed carry citizens because the police cant be everywhere, she never changes. She never changes her mind and considers ordinary civilians whi carry a gun to be paranoid cooks

@toomanyaccounts

Жыл бұрын

typical liberal viewpoint hence why liberals love criminals

@davidinass

Жыл бұрын

Except people are paranoid crooks. Shes a trained cop with years of training. Also she did kill a mentally challenge kid by mistake in this clip cause the bullet went through the guy with the gun

@theduke7539

Жыл бұрын

@@davidinass uh no, she killed a mentally ill kid who had a gun because his "friends" put him up to it and he didnt know what he was really doing. Also, Cops are not well trained. Infact, minimum police training terrifies me because of how much it relies on individual officers training on their own time at their own expense. NYPD has more than most American cops. But even their standards are pitifully low. To call them well trained is like calling every person with a CDL a trained driver. In that yes they have been trained, but it is not a statement on their competency or skill. As well, as weve seen in statistics. Civilians with Concealed Weapons Permits actually commit fewer crimes than actual cops. Cops are convicted of felonies at 3 times the rate of citizens with a concealed weapons permit. According to the FBI and ATF.

@alaakela

11 ай бұрын

​@@theduke7539Agree. I have trained next to LAPD and SWAT(!) officers who were at the range spending their own money and time to train. But at least they were there. Imagine those who don't put in such extra training on their own.

@theduke7539

11 ай бұрын

@alaakela most, especially in small departments. Ive seen cops that actually scared me with how poor their handling was

They fuckin up!! Stop teasing and give us full episodes!!

Clean kill.

kris kross baby

Here’s what I say about using your piece at an ATM: What’s your life worth? Is it worth the money in your bank? Who knows maybe you’ll give him the money and maybe he’ll go away. Now if you give him the money and he says “Alright let’s go to your car” *ITS TIME TO START THINKING*

@KappaKiller108

Жыл бұрын

If someone points a gun at you, and your survival plan assumes and depends on them choosing not to use it your death is a result of natural darwinism

Law and Order IAB is a fantasy in real life😂 the cops dont go this hard on other cops. I wish, we wouldnt have so many unarmed killings🤷🏾‍♀️

Tly all day like when that again talk cant you Spendt

This is absolutely terrible. She did NOTHING wrong! But I love this show!

Omar Alaniz

internal affairs are a**holes.

This show and SVU seems to always have a negative view of internal affairs.

@toomanyaccounts

Жыл бұрын

you never saw NYPD: Blue. internal affairs was called The Rat Squad

We've seen men in blue come together in times like this but this captain has it out for lue bc she's a woman and black IDC if it was a white man he would have the entire precinct behind him no questions

Nothing says "I love black people", like calling them "Afro-mericans"... I guess "Fried Chic-o-holics" was too on-the-nose

This is the first time I've heard someone use the term "Gyno-American". I hope I never hear it again. Gross.

@toomanyaccounts

Жыл бұрын

it is pc language

If this was made today I’d say the captain is just a representation of blm and the shows portraying them as unreasonable cop haters but I just realised this show is old and has more seasons than Jacob Blake has gunshot wounds

i wish they really did nail cops who shot kids for no reason

@WarGrowlmon18

3 жыл бұрын

She did get charged with murder but the grand jury didn't indict. The cops eventually figured it out: she tried to non fatally shoot the kid with the gun. The bullet passed through him and into his unarmed lookout behind him. That's how come he died and had no gun. Sad part was the kid was developmentally disabled and the true bad guy the kid who survived tricked him into it. In an emotional scene she had to go to the dead kids mother to get some proof to disprove the other kid's story in order to convict him. While the mother hated her they both wanted justice and to keep someone else from suffering the same fate

...wait a second. He fell away from her on his chest. She was pointing at him with her arm fully extended, meaning he had to be clearly a meter away from her at least. She shot him in the back.

@johnbeatz380

2 жыл бұрын

The other kid had the gun. She shot him in the arm but the bullet went through and hit the kid

If this happens in real life with white cop in that year, it will be Al Sharpton happiest day.

@BrotherDerrick3X

4 жыл бұрын

If you think that, you're too stupid to be an idiot.

@BrotherDerrick3X

3 жыл бұрын

@Blue Skeptic yet another one who is not smart enough to be an idiot.

@BrotherDerrick3X

3 жыл бұрын

@Blue Skeptic Sharpton has nothing to do with the racial divide. White people never wanted to give us any real justice. Now STFU

@BrotherDerrick3X

3 жыл бұрын

@Blue Skeptic you continue to show that you're to stupid to be an idiot

@BrotherDerrick3X

3 жыл бұрын

@Blue Skeptic look up "loser" in the dictionary, and you will find a picture of you next to the word. Now STFU with your bullshit.

That captain was a JERK!!!

Why leave her sons in the car by themselves?

@BigCT79

3 жыл бұрын

???

@jaredstar

3 жыл бұрын

She was literally 15 ft away

@electroskates2434

3 жыл бұрын

They're not babies or toddlers

Van Buran I'm glad she had a hugher rank the captain was garbage! For lunk heads who didn't know I mean't the captain from this episode XD.

@madison-fakharaalabaljamil3917

4 жыл бұрын

Van Buren is a Lieutenant Captain is a rank than Lieutenant

I know racisim is still every where it Is so sad.

If only I.A ACTUALLY acted like this for all the unjustifiable executions in the country, instead of sweeping them under the rug for racist cops.

@slyguythreeonetwonine3172

2 жыл бұрын

Black cops are racist for shooting unarmed whites? Not used to this being the narrative but, I agree!