Thanks for these videos, they are taking my skiing to the next level and were a missing piece I was struggling to find. They make total sense to me and I can immediately feel the difference employing the technique. V2 uphill feels way easier doing this.

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your positive feedback🥇

Thank you so much for your analysis in englisch! Please more to 1-1 technique.. i‘m skating since 20 years and still searching for the right technique...

I really like a lot of what you are saying. I do have a few comments and questions: I really don't like to tell skiers to push back in skating - I believe that the direction of the push should be out to the side and that it is the speed going forward that makes it look like you are pushing back. The faster that you are going the more it will look like you are pushing back. The straight line is created by keeping the hip high and rotating the hip forward and up and the chest is high. Emil is actually pushing to the side - you can see it very well when he pushes with his right leg at around 2:15 to 2:20. When you compare Emil with the national skier I believe that it only appears that he is kicking more back because he is going faster forward. It is always difficult to compare skiers who are skiing in different snow conditions. The national skier seems to be skiing in much softer conditions that may cause him to ski with his hips further back. Telling skiers to push back causes them to drag the tips through in the recovery phase which means that they must lift their feet higher which takes more energy. I do have a question about the glide phase of the movement. Where do you believe that the weight should be on the foot when it lands and when you are gliding?

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Jack, for commenting on this! I must admit that this is one of mine key point in the skating technique that I have been criticised must fore, and have the most challenging discussions around :-). In Norway, to kick sideways (or to push sideways) has been the leading thinking in the pedagogy and way of learning skating in all skating sub-technique independent of speed. However, in my head, I sincerely mean that if you would like to move forward, you must create forces backwords. If you kick sideways, you also move sideways like Newton's role about force and reaction force. It will also be a question about the chicken or egg, dos the skier go fast because he is kicking backwards or is the foot going back because he is skiing fast. And in my thinking, it is the first. Because the sideway kick prevents the skier from using the gluteus muscles to a fully extended hip. If we don't use the seat muscles, we are not using the body's biggest muscles to forward pulsation. I always look for a fully extended hip/knee and a straight line from the toa to the head. However, the direction of the kick can also be too much backwards. When the skier doesn't glide on the ski through the kick, it isn't skating; it is herringbone. I agree that the pedagogy and what you tell the skiers here is essential. But I have used so many hours relearning young skies to kick in the right direction, and one of the vital things I've been working with Emil, as his technique coach, is to change the direction of the kick. He was kicking sideways in V1-V6!! Also, this year it was the main topic to improve to make the technique effective. It is also essential to know that our anatomy is a challenge in the hip because the blood vessels are site in a very narrow area. The blood vessels easily become constricted. The blood and oxygen supply to the legs is dependent on the micro braces and relaxation of the hip muscles and depends on a fully extended hip and knee joint. Emil was before struggling with lactate in the legs, and his technique was preventing him from using his physiological capacity (VO2max), which changed with the focus on another direction of the kick. His main didactic is to kick, so he glides on to the next ski. The direction of the kick should make him glide on the next ski, that is the right direction, not sideways, ore backwords, it will always be a compromise, dependent on speed, uphill inclination snow conditions. But the kick must bring you forward, and you must have the micro braces, so your technique does not limit your physiological capacity. PS! Look at my videos of Petter Nordthug. It is in Norwegian, but I think you see that i am illustrating the direction of the Kick. It is also interesting to se the shift of kick direction when the Is skaters (speed skating on ise) changed their technique when the clap skate come into the sport, they change in the direction of the kick, longer kicks, more force in each stroke and higher speed, we in XC has actually "clap skates" :-) To your last question, my primary thinking is that when you glide, you must have the foot under you and be in balance, sideways, and back/forwards, so the pressure should be oh the whole foot. When you kick, the pressure is mowed to the forefoot. I hope that was an answer Jack

@jacksasseville4698

3 жыл бұрын

@@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028 Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your detailed response. The concept of pushing to the side actually came from speedskating (after they started with the clap skate). I remember attending a presentation as a Canadian National team coach at an International Coaches Seminar in Trondheim in 1991 where a representative of the Norwegian speed skating team talked about this. That same year I also saw a video from Halldor Skard where he showed video from the relay at the World Championships in Val Di Fiemme. He had Torgny Mogren and Jari Rasanen skiing on the last leg and he showed Mogren with a flat recovery ski and Rasanen with his foot way up in the air to stop from catching his ski tip in recovery. He played it back and forth a number of times. Of course, much has changed in technique since then but up until now, for me at least pushing to the side has not. I have seen plenty of video of Northug and most of the time I have used it to show what happens when you push back and how much more energy it appears he is using by having to lift his leg so high to recover his leg. Having said that, I am now intrigued and curious to try this myself and with my skiers to see what happens. I am not stuck in the past and I am always looking for ways for my skiers to get better. I really like your high hip strategy concept and your way of presenting it. I asked the question about where you feel the body weight should be during glide because I see a lot of skiers in trying to get up to the high hip position go too early to the balls of their feet and push down too much causing the ski to slow down from an increase in friction and too much weight to the front of the ski. Your latest video about arm position is right on in my opinion. I call the position the 90/90 position Activating the lats is very important and using all of the joints that you can, including the hip joint, and using them in order is critical to proper force production. Thank you for your videos and putting them into English

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Jack! I was a student of at The Norwegian University Highschool of Sports Haldor Skard was my teacher and coach in this exciting time of the skating revolution 1985-87. And the methodic back then was as you said, "Kick sideways", Skard was one of the leading premises makers of how we should skate and how to teach this to athletes. The clap skate was developed in the same period, and we did use the methodology of speed skating without clap skate to lean on when we created the technique philosophy. The Clap skate was not in use in ise-skating before the 1996-97 season, and it was the Netherlands woman team who made use of this with success first. Note that even if the clap skate was developed, all distances on Lillehammer Olympics were won on ordinary skates, 1998 all distances were won on clap skate. Since the book of Skar came out we have had this as a mantra in our methodology (Kick sideways, and also as you said we must do that since we are moving forward. The analyses of speed skating on ise, demonstrated that the direction of the kick has changed and resulted in longer strokes, both in time and length (m and cm), more effect of each kick, better use of the hip muscles to create forward pulsation and better blood circulation to the legs. So, I have no arguments left for supporting the "old theory" in skiing who supports this technical solution, except for all thus who worries about the ski tip and its contact with the snow after the kick and backwards rotation of the hip. But remember we are not skating in dep snow, so what's the problem, you will notice at ones you kick too much sideways, the ski stops and the rotation will be so noticeable. /PØT

@jacksasseville4698

3 жыл бұрын

@@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028 Thank you again for replying. Over the past couple of weeks I have been working with my team on the high hip strategy and pushing back more and I am very happy with the results. I have struggled in the past with finding the proper way to teach the "hop" or "skip" in what we call one skate (doubledans) and 2 skate (engledans) and coming up high and up on the toes has made it much easier. Using the checkpoint of a straight line from the foot to the shoulder at the end of the push has also been very helpful. I noticed in the video of padling (what we call offset in Canada) that Emil is able to get this straight line when he pushes off his left foot (we call it the weak side) but not when he pushes off the poling or strong side. He seems to be what I would call asymmetrical in his pushes and positions. On the strong side his strong side foot lands much more forward of the weak side foot. When his weak side foot lands it is just in front of the strong side foot. He also seems asymmetrical in that his trunk turns more to the strong, poling side and stays there longer. When he moves to his weak side leg he does not stay there as long and appears to turn back to the strong side almost immediately. This creates the "hop" off of the weak side leg that I see in all of the good sprinters like Emil. If you compare him to someone like HC Holund there is much less turn and shift to the weak side leg and I believe that this helps him to move faster (this may also be physiological). Are these movements something that you are teaching and if so, what are the keys for you. The video of padling that you have made is in Norwegian so you may have said that in the video but I didn't understand. Thanks again for all the videos that you have posted and doing the English subtitles.

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your constructive positive feedback Jack. So nice that you find my videos helpful, and it is a confirmation for me that you and your team are satisfied with the results of your work in this technical direction :-). The principles work on the snow! It has been a clear strategy in my work with Emil to use less time on the weak side and longer time om the strong side in the offset technique. The reason is simply that the strong side we have 3 force components and on the week side, only one, and the weak side is also without assistance from the arms (not push or arm swing). So the strong side contributes to the longer cycle length and acceleration of the skier. The weak side can in principle only maintain speed in the uphill's if the kicks are executed properly. However, there has been a clear goal to be "on the ski" when the ski put in the snow on bout sides. By "on the ski" I mean that you should be in balance sideways and forth/backwords immediately when the ski plants in the snow, not edge the ski or be "sitting" down back because you want to glide and glide in an easy position where you can come up in an elevated and forward leaned position fast and easy. /PØT

Hallo Per, ich kenne deine Videos von den ÖSV Schulungen und finde sie super. Was ist heutzutage deiner Meinung nach die richtige Stocklänge für die Skating Technik? Welche Länge wird in Norwegen gelaufen? Eher länger oder kürzer?

Would love to see a double poling technique video in english please!

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

3 жыл бұрын

Now I have published a video in double poling!

@w3rldwid3

3 жыл бұрын

@@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028 Nice, thanks so much!

Interesting detail. The skier does not use the force of the toe and calf power to tear off the heel. The foot is always flat. It looks that the heel is moving up with all body due to its inertia, but not due to the work of the foot. What do you think about it?

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

3 жыл бұрын

I am not shore if I understand the question, but it is importaint that the skiers finish the kick over toe and stretch the ankel joint fully to transfer force into the ground. If you constrain the ankel stretch you also redusert the force in the gluteus and quatriceps muscles because of the natural sequential movment pattern in the kick.

@mikhaildenezhkin4821

3 жыл бұрын

@@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028 It's not so easy to describe as well ) I mean another leg and the work of the toe/foot of the leg during moving body up to the high position before the fall to the poles.

@hhiibbaalleerr

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikhaildenezhkin4821 I think you might be describing "preload"? (ie the brief loading movement {jump} at 0:29) is that correct?

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

3 жыл бұрын

Ok Mikhail, I understand. The uphill is quite steep and it is no time to also go up at the toe, as you see the frequency is high, and it is enough to have a high hip in this terrain. But we work against and it is a goal to have a high heel when the speed is a little higher and it is like you say a preload!

@mikhaildenezhkin4821

3 жыл бұрын

@@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028 thanks for the answer

Nice video. Do you know how long the skating poles used by the pros are?

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

3 жыл бұрын

The are using poles that are around 90% of bodyheigth, but I am using 170 cm who is 94% of my bodyheigth.

@dadragonmaster

3 жыл бұрын

@@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028 thank you for answering. 94% is quite a big increase from 90% right? Are there any benefits in going for longer poles? Or is it just personal taste?

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

3 жыл бұрын

We have done research and have found advantages bouth in the lab and on snow, in V3 technique and performance on snow, 2 internationale publications.

@dadragonmaster

3 жыл бұрын

@@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028 is the research published? Could you link it?

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

3 жыл бұрын

@@dadragonmaster doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0211550

#5 Логинов, биатлонист...

Open subtitles with translation you are being watched from different countries

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

3 жыл бұрын

Unclear to me what you mean?

@BEKTPA

3 жыл бұрын

@@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028 open subtitles in the settings so that we can translate into another language.

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

3 жыл бұрын

Could you instruct me in how to open subtitles, I dont know how to?

@BEKTPA

3 жыл бұрын

@@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028 account, settings, playback, subtitles - V

Sorry to quibble, but it would be great and much more listenable if the commentary to this very useful video were written out beforehand, so as to dispense with all the ahs and ums . That would make it a much more enjoyable experience.

@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, for commenting on this. I apologise for my lack of English competence and bad language (and my writing is even worse). To create these videos, it takes quite a lot of recourses (filming, editing, planning, and recording them with my comments) and time. I understand that the ahs and ums are of course annoying, disturbing, and unnecessary, but I am "buying" myself some time to find the right words to be sure that my analyses are at the level that the subscribers on this channel deserve. I thank you again for reminding me of these, but I don't have the resources to create a written text for the videos, but I'll be aware of the problem and try to minimise this in future videos. Ski reg Per-Øyvind Torvik

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