*This is CRAZY!! I find it crazy how golf coaching hasn’t really changed! I love this drill from Moe Norman!*

@glennhandley9866

Жыл бұрын

​@AlexElliottGolfs doing this Mo Norman drill does the golf ball draw or stay straight Thanks Glenn

@kindered

Жыл бұрын

@AlexElliottGolf, carefull when you mention Moe Norman, I tried going with his philosophy, when I started 10 months ago, before I "discovered my swing" and you need to explain to people that Moe Norman was different. Starting stance, distance to the ball, rotation to strike the ball. In my experience the swings feel diferent and in order to do "Moe Norman" swing you will destroy your "Normal Swing". Vice versa is also true. So I would suggest a disclaimer for people to try to mimic this drill specificaly... not Moe Norman. Moe´s swing is a product of hard work and genious. Shame there is almost no coaches teaching it. Keep up the good work Alex, love your videos.

@mikolajwojnowski6928

Жыл бұрын

is it good for irons though? or something opposite... and please wear socks when it is cold outside to wear a polar jacket

@rickstevens9628

Жыл бұрын

@@kindered Moe's Master Move was his way of saying start your downswing in a clockwise rotation and you'll automatically shallow the club and develop and inside to inside swing. Every person has to develop then their face squaring technique. Moe's gift to us was the clockwise rotation of the right hand, the right wrist, and the right shoulder external rotation to start the down swing. 99.9% of pros do this, almost imperceptibly unfortunately. Learn also the biomechanist tip on dropping the center of mass of the golf club below the hand path. It's part of squaring, part of automatic shaft lean, and part of low angle of attack.

@thomasfraser9072

Жыл бұрын

Excellent! Practicing the vertical drop brings the right shoulder joint down it maximum of twenty degrees rotation clockwise as opposed to going OTT that brings the right shoulder up to its maximum twenty degrees rotation counterclockwise. Both Moe Norman and Ben Hogan felt their heavy buttocks as if they were sitting on a stool that gave them both springy lateral knees that were instrumental for their upper body swing giving them both the vertical drop necessary that shallowed their clubs back to its original plane of action to strike directly through the ball. Cheers 🥂👍😊👌

Give us more Moe Norman tips! He was a simplistic genius!!!

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! James love the support

@c5jp904

Жыл бұрын

Why not just go to Todd Graves channel? He’s the expert on Moe.

@clintonstumpf5210

Жыл бұрын

Then watch Todd Graves Channel.

I love when you talk about Moe. I played my whole life playing traditional golf 5 years ago I started Moe’s single plain swing. I’m now 72 years old playing the best golf in my life. I dropped from 18-7 handicap

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Patrick!!!

The feeling of greatness.

Alex, just found your podcasts a couple of weeks ago and have already made positive changes to my swing. I’m 78 years old and was about to settle for mediocre golf. Thank you very much.

"Man may lie, cheat, and steal for gain. But they will never gain a golf swing. To gain a golf swin man must work. But it is work without toil..." _Moe Norman

Another fine video Alex! This will be a fun adventure as I improve my game! Thank you!

Watched this yesterday before playing. I’ve been following Graves Golf and attempting to swing like Moe for the last 15 years and went from a 20+ to a 10hdcp. This is a great swing thought/drill. Might have been my best ball striking round ever! Not sure how well it’ll work with a conventional swing.

@jameslong7474

Жыл бұрын

I also have adopted the Graves Golf single-plane swing over the past 2.5 years with some success. They teach that in the set-up the left arm is above the right in the down-the-line view because of side tilt. This swing thought that Alex is giving completes the thought of maintaining that orientation thru the transition and downswing as well. I love it!

I was working on this at the range, and then also with the other drill about tempo. Friday I shot a 79, 13/14 fairways and 11 of 18 GIR..one of my best ball striking rounds..had the greens not been slow and shaggy I would have been even lower...Thanks Alex!

I picked up the concept of the clubhead starting the downswing by going down a couple years ago. it does work a treat for getting rid of the slice.

Lad those two Mo Norman tips are absolute killers 👏👏 thanks for sharing these 👍👍

looking forward to trying this.. Thanks!

You definitely got that Mo MoJo in your movement as you demonstratsd that. That's pretty amazing actually. I could easily picture his swing as you mimicked his.

This is the best Moe Norman tip explained by you in a brilliant way. i am 71 so never too late to improve. this is as simple as it gets to explaining how to not get the club started on an out to in path. Wish the teaching pro's taught this when i was 40.

I discovered the Moe Norman master move a few months ago. If you move into his Master Move, you'd say no one can hit a ball from there i.e. right arm lower than left, left hand higher than the right on the handle and right elbow into your side or in front of right hip. But, if you take that Master Move back to the top and then down into the Master Move and do that a few times, that's the arc of the hand path down and you begin the downswing with a clockwise motion. The same clockwise motion of pro golfers. You also feel the right shoulder external rotation, you feel the elbow leading the swing automatically, you feel the automatic shallowing of the club behind you, almost automatic shaft lean after squaring, and maybe more importantly, you feel what Sasho MacKenzie, bio mechanist, says about having the center of mass of the golf club must drop below the hand path to facilitate squaring of the face automatically. Moe’s Vertical Drop behind him was shallowing and Sasho’s dropping the center of mass below the hand path. Getting the feel is tough for amateurs, but Moe showed us the way years and years ago. It's a crying shame, especially for me wasting 50 years on a counter-clockwise swing, that more people didn't show us this years ago. I applaud you for leading us out of the wilderness, and inconsistent golf.

So well explained Alex!! Going to give that a try , can do that at the range and while waiting to tee off. Excellent..👏

I’ve watched Moe for years, but never quite mastered his technique until I recently had a hip replacement, and was diagnosed with severe carpel tunnel syndrome in my right hand which caused me difficulty in gripping the club other than with a baseball grip. With this in place “Moes” action became 2nd nature. My iron striking has gone from a typical 12 handicap to superb, I recently scored 1 over par on tricky par 3 course with holes varying from 90yds to 165yds and a single Par 4.

Thx so much for all these videos. Learning so much. ❤

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Scott!!!

Great job, Alex!

Holy sheeeesus Alex.. just got the purest most powerful 5iron I've ever hit. Driver was quite straight too. 44yrs young and hitting it as good or better than ever. What a great swing thought. Thank you ⛳

Love it and this makes so much sense !

Great stuff. I incorporated it today and it made a difference. I was wondering however, with an iron on a downhill lie how you would use this strategy. Thank you.

Well... today I got a round to play and this will be a nice thing to practice. I'll let you know. Thanks Alex

Hello Alex! I got into golf about 2-3 years ago and I still struggle with chunk iron shots! Going to try this drill and hopefully helps! Would love to pick your brain about other tips I should be doing

Excellent video Alex, would have liked to see you hit an iron like this

Great stuff Alex. You’re the only YTer that I recommend to others for tips on the game.👍

@AlexElliottGolf

9 ай бұрын

I appreciate that!

Love this video

I could really see the inside to out arc in the last screen shot.

I remember seeing Moe saying in an interview that he tried to feel he was brushing his stomach with his right elbow to get the vertical drop. It feels awkward when you first try it, but it works.

My feel is to drop the right shoulder, but this drill sequences the complete movement. Thank you!

all i have to say to anyone just discovering moe norman.... welcome to the party pal !!

Hi Alex. Excellent! You are right! This absolutely stops overactive hips on the spot as long as one learns how to preset their athletic stance with a heavy buttocks and springy knees as Ben Hogan taught on page 55 of his 5 lessons Practicing the vertical drop as you have brilliantly shown us brings our right shoulder joint down it maximum of twenty degrees rotation clockwise as opposed to going OTT that brings the right shoulder up to its maximum twenty degrees rotation counterclockwise. Both Moe Norman and Ben Hogan felt their heavy buttocks as if they were sitting on a stool that gave them both springy lateral knees that were instrumental for their upper body swing giving them both the vertical drop necessary that shallowed their clubs back to its original plane of action to strike directly through the ball. Cheers 🥂👍😊👌

I got to watch Moe in person a number of years ago. He simply made it look SO easy, that it only served to frustrate me! How could he have such a basic unfettered swing that provided the consistency we ALL aspire to have?

That was awesome

Moe Norman!!!! 😁👍

Just watched your video on Moe Norman and thought you would find this interesting. My husband was a golf pro who used to play with Moe Norman a lot. (. This was in Canada). He even went to England with Moe and George Knudson to represent Canada (before you were born). His name was Leonard Harvey. Hetold me great stories about him. Your videos are great.

@AlexElliottGolf

11 ай бұрын

No way! that’s very interesting !!

Back in 2008-2011 I worked as a starter and the pros were part of the Todd Graves franchise and teaching Moe’s single plane swing. Learning from them how to swing like Moe made me realize how much starting the downswing by moving and accelerating body and arm mass down and toward target with side bending an letting the club force to fully release and whip the hands thumbs down before impact increases club head speed and control of the club face. What most don’t notice which is the key, due to his unconventional club behind and inside starting position is that he first aligned the club face by putting body and hands (with full ulnar deviatIon) where he wanted them at impact / ball release off the face (at target).

Moe also set up with side tilt which promoted keeping the left arm higher than the right, thus making the magic move more natural.

What I have been doing is taking a strong left hand grip and then feel like I am trying to hit to right field on the downswing. Usually this gives me a straight shot or a slight draw. I think it mirrors what you were showing.

As soon as I wake up tomorrow I'm gonna try this. Need to start hitting more from the inside. We'll see if this helps

So amazing this man has had so much influence on so many and never even won a pga event

I don't know if this feeling I'm working on is right or not, but aims the same goal in the transition. What I look is to "invert" the hands positions (on top of the backswing the trail hand is "on top" of the lead one) but using the body movement, this implies to roll the lead hip and tilt and roll the torso, to get the lead hand on top of the trailer, ready to discharge thru the ball. Thanks a lot for your videos, Alex and greetings from Argentina 🇦🇷

The Feeling of Greatness....

Hi Alex, I notice that from player cam perspective you move your head way right doing the vertical drop. Is that just while doing the drill? Can we still do the vertical drop keeping the head still?

I've been watching Moe vids for years you made it simpler to understand Moe said this but not in such detail.

Hi Alex, Just found your UTube site and love the content. I was searching your site and found a video where you suggested starting the hips, torso, then arms on the downswing. I tried this today and liked the feel. Should I continue using that downswing or switch to this torso, arms, hips sequence? I’m 69 and do try to keep hip movement to a minimum in the downswing.

Huge Moe Norman fan😎🏌🏼‍♂️

What adjustments are needed for iron swings since I want to hit down and not up as with the driver?

Thank You

Moe helped me win my Ontario Jr Qualifying A great man

Moe Norman was the Bruce Lee of golf.. He experimented with many techniques and used what worked for him and jettisoned what didn't work for him.

Moe was amazing. What a great tip. I've watched moe many times, but didn't pick up on that..thanks

Great

Alex, I related to you earlier about Moe and Sasho MacKenzie's advice on the downswing. You get it, but still don't refer to the start of the downswing being a clockwise motion of the right hand, right wrist, and right shoulder external rotation. That's the key. But I've also figured out why that's necessary to golf and why the pros are better than we are. Sasho MacKenzie's scientific knowledge that the center of mass of the club should drop below the hand path to facilitate squaring is what Moe Norman gave us with his Master Move, and it's automatic shallowing and vertical drop behind us. Now, here's why starting the downswing in a clockwise motion is required,......................The whole difference here is that "the golf club never drops below the hand path when you don’t start the downswing in a clockwise rotation", and you never realize the proper hand path and angle-of-attack into the ball that the pros enjoy.

can t stop learning from your video

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏🏼

Hi Alex. Can you help? I can hit driver really well but hook my irons - or I hit irons well but slice my driver. What adjustments need to made to hit both? Thanks

Hi love the drill but I was always taught left shoulder goes down not up in downswing. If you drop right shoulder so much won’t you get stuck ?

The thing about Moe's swing is that it is built on a foundation of the set-up, i.e. a lot of tilt to the right, ulnar deviated left hand, etc. That sets you up for mechanics like the one you're describing in the video, but they happen somewhat naturally if the set-up is correct. Pulling out just one of Moe's moves without the set-up components is missing the bigger picture.

His statement regarding the master move is “the lateral shot and the vertical drop”. I wouldn’t run off with this with out creating synchronized motion between the LATERAL SHOFT and the VERTICAL DROP.

I get this for hitting a driver, or ball that is teed up, but it seems like it would have the propensity to hit fat shots with the irons off turf

Great video Do you have any tips or drills on leaving the club face open at impact ?

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

Great question!! Keep you posted here on the channel!!

That looks like massive secondary axis tilt Alex which is terrible for a lot of us? What do you think?

Thank you Alex. How do you keep from adding loft to your irons with this move?

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

keep your eyes on the channel ill have you covered!!

Alex, apparently Moe also did a substantial squat to instigate to vertical drop of the club...

Loving the content...as a senior golfer struggling with consistency I need help with a thought/drill to improve my posture.. I am standing too tall resulting in a vertical out to in path lacking in the power I once had. How can I "stay in the shot" longer? I will continue to appreciate all your tips and watch for the ones that can address my shortcomings. Keep up the great content!

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Brian!! I hope that you learnt a lot in this one too!!

Hi Alex after aiming in your golf posture for your backswing use your pinkies to properly wind up your body and then for angular momentum to occur in your downward apply a knuckles down downswing for even a better way to create a perfect vertically dropped and balanced angularly momentum downswing in full connection to your un-winding body. At age 76 I can do this all day. Try it. You may love to teach it. Cheers 🥂

As a 65 yr old, with 4 fused discs in lower mid back, i follow the Moe Norman Natural golf, it takes a lot less stress off back and allows me to play, and no, you don't lose distance, i hit my drive 263 yards (arccos )

Moe Knows!

Alex I usually agree with you - but if you get the weekend warrior on this one - them balls are flying all over and mostly wright. woooohhhh

Hi Alex; this is something I've been wondering about regarding shallowing the club. How far do you allow it to drop before rotating the body & it getting too flat in the backswing? Thanks.

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

Hi Mike I have a backswing video coming your. Way!! Keep your eyes on the channel. Please ignore the AlexElliottGolfs message that’s NOT ME

The problem with this tip is that its exaggerated so much the club gets behind the hands and the body and most people hit a right shot and inevitably start fiddling around with the wrists. The key actually is to let the club head start the downswing at the same time as the body so the hands are with you body.

I agree with your assertion that the bulk of golf instruction is about "pressuring the ground" or otherwise completely unproductive lower-body action, completely ignoring the fact that the arms of most amateurs are completely broken down at either the top or at impact. No amount of lower body work will improve any swing if the arms and hands are doing the wrong thing. Moe knew it, and the best players know it. Just another crappy golf instruction trend. Great video!

Somehow KZread unsubscribed me from your channel. I am back to being subscribed.

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

Welcome back ❤️❤️

I practice alot and I appreciate your tip videos! I have a r10 in my garage, hitting into a net using Awesome golf. Why am I getting a blister on my left ring finger? I am right handed with an interlock grip. Thanks! Take care

@jonny-dp2qr

Жыл бұрын

I always used to get blisters from interlock then I switched to overlap and rarely get them

It’s not just the vertical drop, it’s the drop in concert with the trail elbow leading the way to impact. Without the elbow in the correct position at impact which is CRITICAL……u can forget about solid impact.

So what about John Rahm’s drill ? Now it’s this that works and not the other ?

Doing this Mo Norman Drill and hitting the ball form inside does the ball draw and stay straight. Thanks Glenn

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

Thank you glen!! Love to hear that! Ignore the fake message from AlexElliottGolfs that’s NOT ME

Gone from a 20hcp to a 5 using Moe’s swing.

Very nice! If you do lower body like moe in addition to upper body, it could be Excellant.

Hi Alex. How about a video dealing with toe strikes? Im suffering with them currently and can't seem to cure it.

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

Yes this is a great idea Jim! Please keep your eyes on the channel!!

@jimwocha4949

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexElliottGolf will do. I guess today's tip is probably helpful here. I think I'm probably throwing my hands out towards the ball too much causing a toe strike.

Ben Hogan said a straight shot was an accident Moe Norman said come watch me hit 100+ accidents .....❤

You need to watch more of Moe’s lessons, the master move was the relationship of the lead arm and the trail elbow with the trail elbow being way underneath the lead arm - which he said was the same ‘secret’ as Hogan had - and Hogan didn’t drop the club like this, just had a similar lead arm/trail elbow relationship (see kzread.infoFOJGxGPA4vU?si=xpEP-9M86NDycB-2 for Moe and kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYWl06hqhavPYZc.htmlsi=7l5oCzV9CGXR9OQI for Hogan). The reason it felt like a drop and Moe didn’t use his hips was that he was so far away from the ball - using his hips was impossible without missing the ball. And then when you look at your demo swing in slow motion you see that you do the same swing as you normally do, with the transition being lead by the lower/body and hips before the backswing has fully completed - same as every decent golfer and not doing Moe’s move or what you prescribe at all. The reason the tip seems to work is it gives the receiver one clear swing thought to concentrate on, which is often the case with most ‘tips’. It normally takes a fair bit of practise to actually make a change, with the required feeling being a massive overemphasis of the movement to start with. Witness some of the extreme practise moves you see pro’s often make.

IMO this is much easier to do when you incorporate the other things Moe did such as having the left arm and shaft forming a straight line at address, keeping both heels down on backswing and at impact, and placing the driver a foot behind the ball at address.

It's cause and effect, it's about the fold and the crease you create..once you fold, the crease makes a move at the ball..which cause the body to drop , which causes the club to get slightly behind and forced though by retardation of the motion of the hips into a braced left side

Wow, at 4:09 and 5:09 you REALLY get a huge wrist cock with delayed clubhead release until your clubshaft is parallel with the ground - so close to impact but a blink of the eye before impact you fully extend your right elbow to COMPLETELY straighten and extend your right arm at impact for fantastic clubhead speed. Even viewing your slow motion shot, I love to press the "Gear" icon and change the Playback speed to .25 to study your awesome swing dynamics! Many thanks Alex.

I guess another way to describe this "feeling" while in your swing is to try and hit yourself in ypur rear ankle on the way to the ball. You can't hit yourself in the rear ankle. Its essentially physically impossible. But if you try, it will set your body, hand and club in the proper swing path.

In the drill you dropped your right hip very early (3:19). When you you smoked the shot, your right hip stayed high (3:48). You need to clear the left hip away from the ball and not dip the right hip too early. So flatten the swing but don’t do it at the expense of dropping the right hip early.

Don't sway back doing the drill or in your swing. At least 60/40 percent on lead side. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If you took Jack Nicklaus in 1962, brought him to the 2023, gave him a modern driver and golf ball, he would be the longest player on tour. Just look at video of his swing back then. Amazing. What I'm really getting at is I don't think there is some modern version of the swing that is better than the classic swing. I think what's important is what works best for each individual. Just an opinion.

I just make sure my right shoulder goes down ,simple .

Does it apply to irons as well

@AlexElliottGolf

9 ай бұрын

Yeah you can certainly give it a go with irons

He changed his swing later in life

Something I feel I'm missing. Especially when I get a little fatigued. I tend to rush/force/muscle things.

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

Let me know how you get on with this Chris!!

The Moe the Merrier!

Much more turn in the traditional swing compared to Moe's.... such a genius of the swing!

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

I agree Brad!!!

@Dr_Brad_M

Жыл бұрын

Hi daddy

Motion produces positions. Perfect Positions produce perfect positions. Perfect positions will never produce perfect motion.

Why do I hit all my irons and hybrids the same distance?

@AlexElliottGolf

Жыл бұрын

You could be adding loft! I’ll have a video coming for you 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

It’s also better for your back! I promise, even if it doesn’t look like it!

That move is only for one plane swings so be careful.. the only drill moe did that can help normal golfers is the placing of the clubhead in centre of stance for all clubs to stay in the turn

Alex as you are aware Moe Norman was to say the least eccentric and so are most of his drills yes they worked for Moe but so did Trevino,s work for Trevino also a point all to often missed is Moe Norman was at best 5,6” and stocky so his method is unlikely to suit all similarly Faldo,s method / technique is not for the Ben Hogans of this world it’s horses for courses , your initial Moe Norman set up would for 90% of recreational golfers have them block it miles right .