Next year, we’ll see Intel and AMD including one in the box as a “stock cooler”

@aerospherology2001

3 ай бұрын

shrinkflation

@davidhines7592

3 ай бұрын

PLEASE NO. dont give them ideas 🤣

@pptemplar5840

3 ай бұрын

The Wraith coolers aren't that bad, Even Intel stock is going to be "fine" in most cases, just a shame that when they updated it, all the update amounted to was really a cheaper way to manufacturer something of the same performance instead of you know, better performance.

@psiklops71

3 ай бұрын

they bought their new coolers at temu

@beasty7063

3 ай бұрын

What’s the difference I thought the stock cooler was for a phone

That's a testament to power management/throttling in modern CPUs, we're long beyond the days of K6's and Cyrixes cooking themselves to death because of lack of built-in thermal management.

@volvo09

3 ай бұрын

Yes, it has come a LONG way.

@HappyBeezerStudios

3 ай бұрын

While throttling is a bit more recent, even the K7 chips would turn off when getting too hot.

@Drewtheelder

3 ай бұрын

A K6 was my first-ever build a long long time ago.

@volvo09

3 ай бұрын

@@HappyBeezerStudios i can't recall exactly but I remember the first open die athlons being "targeted" for no thermal protection, or bad thermal protection. I believe outlets were yanking coolers off cpu's and sometimes the chip would die instead of turning off... With a fan failure it would survive since the temp rise was gradual, but abusing the chip with a sudden no cooler situation would kill them (or some of them). This was back in my dialup days reading overclocking and CPU stuff, I never tested it for myself, but I remember some outlet covering it.

@Pasi123

3 ай бұрын

That reminds me of the famous Tom's Hardware CPU cooling video where the K7 Athlon burns itself

5:33 When this music starts playing, you know Dawid starts to release his inner mad scientist

@schizofennec

3 ай бұрын

it has a very mythbusters feel, which is fitting, since most of what we do here is fucking ar- i mean science

@chandlerbing7570

3 ай бұрын

ok

@Lorenzo_Talpinum

3 ай бұрын

sonuvabeech

@martijnt1353

3 ай бұрын

when terms as "bareback" are used, you know we are past the science phase..

@plndkid

3 ай бұрын

😂@@schizofennec

The fact the cooler isn’t pressured down other than with gravity it is impressive it still can transfer heat away as well as it did.

@nanaki-seto

3 ай бұрын

No doubt The general idea of a low power pelt and hsf gives me a few ideas for a real build in a very small form factor. If i could get say a little better than stock cooling on a rig powerful enough to run my security cam software that needs good cpu and gpu id be quite a happy camper. I need like a i5 6th gen and a 1080 for gpu to run it with out lag time between camera and what is displayed

@CaveyMoth

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, where are the zip ties?

Next video: Cooling an iPhone 13 with a Wraith Stealth cooler!

@raven4k998

5 күн бұрын

hell no why on earth would he pit that cooler to cool such a cool tech product it would be pointless😲😲

As other youtubers already proved: Using a paltier for CPU cooling is a terrible idea. So yeah, please do it.

@alejandromg535

3 ай бұрын

Sfdx show xD

@GrainGrown

3 ай бұрын

*peltier

@banko-xv4rt

3 ай бұрын

it might be beneficial for size constrained coolers

@Deja117

3 ай бұрын

They also tend to try it on pretty power hungry CPU's, well compared to phones at least. It might be interesting to see this on a handheld like a steam deck or ROG ally though.

@Horatio1741

3 ай бұрын

@@banko-xv4rt No, you just creating a bigger problem. You need a 100W peltier to cool a 100W CPU. Now you have to remove 200W of heat instead of 100W, which means you need to have a bigger cooler. And you need a bigger PSU to power the peltier.

I feel like the lattepanda would benefit from a retest with proper mounting. Get a metal ship, optimally copper, to bridge the gap and have it properly mounted down with enough pressure.

@SegFaultOnLine1984

3 ай бұрын

cracking the die seems really likely this way

@jierenzheng7670

3 ай бұрын

Why not remove the back and magnets and put the actual cooling plate part that is cooling on to the lattepanda, maybe the Z height this time will work.

Yes I agree

@tealdolphin3721

3 ай бұрын

In fact, I even concur.

@iangc

3 ай бұрын

I am in accord with that

@NP_Com

3 ай бұрын

You have my full consent.

@namename-cl8kk

3 ай бұрын

100%

@R3AL-AIM

3 ай бұрын

Can't argue

I fully expect Dawid to accidentally solve fusion power one of these days.

@AnnaDoes

3 ай бұрын

That would be amazing

That fan genuinely looks like a mcdonalds happy meal toy

@poeticsilence047

3 ай бұрын

Beyblade

How to make your CPU fry an egg: Dawid Does Tech Stuff edition

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

3 ай бұрын

Yes please.

I used to have a peltier cooler called the Eliminator. It worked for years and dropped my temps to around 11-12 degrees C at full blast. It used a lot of power but in them days electric was cheap so that wasn't a worry

@volvo09

3 ай бұрын

I remember wanting a peltier cooler for my and K6-3... It was almost stable at a 100mhz overclock from 350 to 450mhz, and I figured that a better cooler would make it happen. I delidded that chip and went direct die also. That's when it was allllllmost stable but would crash occasionally and figured a peltier would get it working.... Plus they were interesting.

@SidneyCritic

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, power usage is a problem with peltier.

@privacyhelp

3 ай бұрын

bruh today electric cost always increasing and not cheap anymore

@arx117

3 ай бұрын

​@@privacyhelpback in the day, i assumed it's 90's

Would love to see more vids like this was really expecting a small fire to spawn at some point

I played around with peltiers for cooling the print bed of a homemade chocolate printer. I had 2 peltiers stacked on top of each other, with a water-cooling block cooling the stack off. I was able to get the aluminum print bed down to 20f. But, double-stacking peltiers is super inefficient, power wise...which is exactly why you should try a double-stack with water cooling! Most peltiers go up to 12 volts, so it's easy enough to use the 12v rail from a PC power supply to run them.

i wanted to test this too , glad you doing the testing .

A lot back in time, some guys at a French VG magazine tried to cool a Pentium IV CPU with a Peltier. They nearly froze the CPU to death in a few seconds while it was at full load, which means a lot when you remember how those Pentium IV were getting hot.

@fxandbabygirllvvs

3 ай бұрын

False pelteir coolers are not efficient enough to cool anything that's why we don't use them also cooler master had a cooler with a pelteir in it and it's still ass till this day ltt done videos on them and derbuer has a video on the cooler master cooler that has it in it soo also pentuim 4 cpus run at 40c on newer coolers back in the day the coolers we used where ass

@fxandbabygirllvvs

3 ай бұрын

A pelteir cooler can only cool up to 70% of its energy cost meaning if it's use 120 Watson it would only be able to keep something with a heat cost of 80 watts so maybe a low end cpu but it won't be freezing it

@user-pf3qs5th4f

2 ай бұрын

it was the end of the 90s everything was possible efficiency was only for gas

From 5:57 I genuinely held my breath thinking I was gonna see fire.

@MoultrieGeek

3 ай бұрын

Hopefully you remembered to pay the insurance premium first.

@AnnaDoes

3 ай бұрын

I checked so fast haha @@MoultrieGeek

@ninj3x687

3 ай бұрын

Extinguishers aren’t cheap 😅

Love your vids Dawid! You make me feel good about my very lower midrange tech.

Loving your content from a cross the pond in the UK

Awesomesauce video, Dawid!! There's nothing like making cooling potential look cool. And YES!!! I want to see Peltier coolers

Great video! That little cooler definitely punches above its weight class. I would have liked to see how it would do with fps capped at 60 as well- I bet temps would have been in the 70s

Back in the early 2000s my friends and I were already thinking about using Peltier cooling for PCs - never done it tho

@volvo09

3 ай бұрын

You could find it done back then. It wasn't super common, but I spent a lot of time on overclocker forums around 00.

Got one of these delivered the day this came out, fun!

peltier plates, hearing those words takes me back about 15-20 years lol

@HappyBeezerStudios

3 ай бұрын

been a while since peltier cooler was in my vocabulary. Always wondered why nothing came of that.

@ffftube-le8np

3 ай бұрын

Yep back in the early 2000s and late 1990s we used to overclock cpu like this. Main issue was condensation if I recall correctly.

I really enjoy these stupid experiments. It keeps me coming back for the fresh chuckles.

bro really liked the titan army monitor

I have thoroughly enjoyed Dawid's transition from total neckbeard nerd to computer Jesus in the span of the last three years

@raven4k998

5 күн бұрын

no tim just bareback🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I love this channel and love that you're Canadian too

The reason the phone cooler wasn't working as expected isn't because it's small, but because peltier coolers need to have a "thermal mass" much like the metal plate you'd attach to your iphone in order to buffer and move the heat to the other side. Attaching a peltier directly to a cpu causes the peltier to heat up along side the cpu greatly decreasing its performance while increasing the amount of electricity is needed to pump heat to the other side, to remedy this, you'll need to attach a "thicc" slab of metal between the cpu and the cold side of the peltier to serve as the "thermal mass".

@bulletpunch9317

3 ай бұрын

What metal plate? Theres already is one inside the peltier.

@Unassuming_Troll

3 ай бұрын

@@bulletpunch9317 Read my comment again to answer your question.

@bulletpunch9317

3 ай бұрын

@@Unassuming_Troll theres no extra metal plate to attach to your iphone. What are you on about?

@DimkaTsv

3 ай бұрын

​​@@bulletpunch9317your phone by itself is big slab of metal which takes on thermal mass and spreads it. Compated to power output of CPU+GPU in phone it is...

@bulletpunch9317

3 ай бұрын

@@DimkaTsv these coolers work well on full plastic phones too.

What a cooler! I'm interested in more use cases with it 😊.

Please play around with this more. It would be interesting to see what you come up with.

i use a similar one(about 10cm diameter) to cool 7900xtx reference version, removed the backplate of the gpu and it can magnetize to it, put a 2.5mm thermal pad in the gap, it also includes a insulating film to avoid short circult, it works.

I love all of Dawid's ideas. He does the things I think about but have no resources to actually do it. Thanks Dawid!

I really think you should try the peltier coolers in more detail. I have built several projects using them and they are very neat (as long as they can dissipate the heat THEY generate on the opposing side). eBay has some pseudo refrigeration units using them that are interesting if not slightly comical. Depending on wattage, you can use a motor speed controller to adjust the power going to the peltier modules if you choose to make them adjustable.

Need to use this in my next rig

Back in the early 2000s there used to be a cooler called the Ultra ChillTec which employed a Peltier effect thermoelectric cooler slapped on the bottom of a very large heatsink... I have one but lack the mounting hardware. Would be interesting to see how it holds up to something like a modern system or even something stupid like a graphics card...

that tiny peltier module really put up a show

Dawid's editing is on point. Not once did I see one of the several fire extinguishers surely out of shot lolol ^_^' ~a random canadian subscriber dude

close / using a cell phone to do frequency emf things to help overclock and design new architectures

I actually though about this stupid shit idea this morning, funny to see a video about it later that day

full on send it! that's why i love your channel. the stupid videos are the best videos on this channel, lol!

This is such a ridiculous project that I am craving for more! :)

I do like the stupid, crazy crap you do. Very entertaining.

Me, watching this with headphones in the living room, just whispering "no.... no.... noooooo!....ohhhh no" and my expression must be a mix of laughter and about to cry, and then I notice my family, who is in the room doing their own thing, have all turned and are looking at me worried. Love this channel so much

Now this is true enginuity, super glad you did this!

I do like the Idea. There is also a possible StepUp as you used a 6cm Diameter Version and there is a 10cm one for Tablets.

A phone cooler,haven't watched the video yet but that's crazy fam😂😂 can't wait to watch it

I remember reading about companies dabbling with Peltier CPU coolers back in the early 2000s. Probably in Maximum PC. I'm not sure if any of them ever reached the market, though.

finally found a video to satify my curiousity

I literally rewound 10 seconds to see the shroud pop up cuz i was eating and looking at my food XD love the Shroud

Dawid: Today I'm going to use a cellphone cooler on a computer Victim: I'm warning you. You're entering a big error, Dawid. I'm going to have to put you on the game grid.

I experimented with peltier coolers back in the 2000s. They 'should' be awesome, and 'active cooling' sounds amazing, but they have a fundamental flaw. They move heat through them by using power. If there's no power applied, or more heat than the power you use with them, they turn into an insulator. Think of it like a doorman. If the doorman is given a donut (power), he will pull a person waiting in line through the door with a ton of force, very quickly. But if there's more people than donuts, he won't let enough people through and the line gets massive. So, lets say you want to cool your 90W CPU. Your peltier needs to be consuming at least 90W to get the heat away from the CPU. On a 5v 2.4A USB connection, that a maximum of 12W cooling available... and that's why your CPU was power limiting itself to not go much over 20W once the thermal capacity of the cooler was reached. (Due to conduction, some heat was passively making it's way to the copper cooling fins. If you wanted to use a 200W CPU, it may be possible, but you're going to need a 17A peltier on 12v to do that... and they cost around $300! Back to my experiments with peltier coolers, they were all incredibly bad. I was shocked at how poorly they performed, despite having a bigger thermal mass than my old cooler. This is why you never see peltier coolers used for PC cooling these days. Oh, and the other issue? The cold plate can get too cold if it's not adjusting power to match the CPU's draw, producing condensation. And you don't want condensation on your CPU cold plate...

I would dearly love to to see you work some Dawid magic with peltier plates!

If ever hardware are sentient we might hear there screams of terror as they approach Dawid's House. Absolute mad lab I love it.

Dawid the master of stupid tech stuff , another masterclass .🤣 Thanks for making my day , love these vids .

I was expecting it to crash the moment you got into the BFV menu. The surprise is immesurable and my day isn't ruined by any means.

As someone whose recently just used a phone cooler you'll need to have 2 phone cooler 1 that works as exhaust and one that is working as intake with just 1 that intakes air it would essentially be a space heater

I'm actually impressed it could run a 20w chip fairly well, I didn't realise it had a peltier in it, I wonder how many watts it pulls? They are supposed to be pretty inefficient.

Honestly man, you can run a 5300G on a literal slice of metal, and it won't do anything except drop the clocks and power-limit to keep it running. Newer Ryzen CPU's are nearly impossible to thermally harm unless you tweak things in the BIOS. Even the 7000 series that tends to run warm, you can cool a 7950X with a Wraith Stealth and it'll run fine, just at a lower clock-speed (not recommended unless you're Dawid, just making the point).

Should try this with actual mounting pressure zip tie the cooler or something similar also def should explain that when these get overwhelmed with heat they start to heat up instead.

Now that you got the fan open though you should take that part that's covered in thermal paste and stick that directly to the processor

@MichaelAirbnbHost

3 ай бұрын

I agree, maybe he didn't want it to work

Actually surprised the magnets didn't brick the CPUs. Great video. Keep up the good work.

@BenState

2 ай бұрын

why would they?

@mrnlce7939

2 ай бұрын

Magnets interfere with electrical conduction. @@BenState

@BenState

2 ай бұрын

@@mrnlce7939 Magnets dont affect conduction. Either way, no interference at the scale and voltages in a cpu, otherwise we'd have issues with the fans.

The intentional savagery is why I keep coming back each video. Sure, it might be a bad idea, but we can't know for sure unless someone gives it a try. Dawid is doing important work here.

Yes!!! I wanna see a video with more peltier effect coolers

the fact that it could run half life 2 at 30 fps blows my mind

@HappyBeezerStudios

3 ай бұрын

The fact that it doesn't get more is the real surprise. A 2003-era midrange card could do 55 fps on 1600x1200. And remember that that is that era's equivalent of 4k today. In 1280x1024 you'd get almost 80 fps.

@joe--cool

3 ай бұрын

@@HappyBeezerStudios You do realize the Ryzen slowed itself down and cut power by a lot when reaching TJMax? It's amazing it didn't just turn off, which it does when ran without a cooler (unless it blows up during POST).

@MisterFoxton

3 ай бұрын

Guys, the Lattepanda was running HL2 at 35 FPS. You know, the $240 PC the size of a calculator? Not talking the Ryzen here. That's nuts.

@dhananjayn457

3 ай бұрын

@@MisterFoxton i didnt know it was 240 dollars...thats a bummer

@dhananjayn457

3 ай бұрын

@@HappyBeezerStudiosi didnt know it was 240 dollars, also the whole system was still smaller than a graphics card

new video = new tech torture

I used to have ATi 9600pro , 9700 pro and 9800 pro with the same sort of cooler. You could probably cool Geforce 4 era of cards with that cooler too and maybe some lower end Geforce 5 cards. I had a passive FX5200 (yes I know its garbage - it wasnt mine though) that i modded the fan from the 9700 that I managed to attach to the FX5200 which allowed to to overclock it quite heavily. I tried this using a CPU cooler taken from a dead Pentium 233 i had lying around and the cooler off my Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro. The cooler from the 9700 pro performed better due to it being 100% copper and the fan on it being bigger.

Lunatic, absolutely certifiable, love it!

I just bought a dell OptiPlex 7050 with 16gb ddr4 ram. intel i5 6500 with 256gb of SSD going to put a better graphics card in it next week and have it cleaned put some new thermal past on on the CPU. should be a decent gaming rig. love the videos. keep it up man.

Back in the pentium days, we used to use the older (all copper) pennies to bridge any sort of gap like the one you encountered with your raspberry Pi. They are remarkably efficient at transferring heat. I'm a little disappointed you didn't try that...

peltier chips are not very efficient but if you can negate the effects of condensation ,i would choose a peltier based cooler opposed to normal coolers.i think you should do a vedio on Peltier modules by hanginn the motherboard upside down so the condensed water does not drip into the motherboard..i dont know why cooler manufacturers hasnt taught about this..please do try it out,..it may even go viral like that directed airflow case that optimium did..

@volvo09

3 ай бұрын

Any modern peltier cooler worth it's salt monitors ambient air temp to not over cool the CPU. Past ambient. But modern CPU's create too much heat for a peltier to handle and cool past ambient while under load anyways.... It's idle when you run into condensation trouble.

Not sure what went through you head when you decided to make this, but I like it.

What new strange things will this guy come up with next? All i know is that we need to see more of it and like right now!

he does things like that with mid-high end PC parts while there are people like me who wish they even had access to this type of components

Maybe if you apply liquid metal between the cold side and the metal, in the inner part of the s6 cooler it will improve the thermal transfer rate

It’d be cool to see this experiment with one of those “liquid cooling” solutions for higher-end gaming phones!

I'd love to see a video with some real peltier cooling. Back in the mid-to-late 90s, peltiers were all the rage for the hardcore overclockers.

higher end phone cooler is much colder, maybe those will perform better, i used it to cool down nanopi, and it produce lot of condensation, dripping real lot

i feel like the real stand out champion of this video was the stock cooler included with the AMD. i mean holy COW. i've seen Dawid have MUCH worse experiences with much less stock coolers.

Next: use gut bacteria as an gaming pc 💀

@flyinglobster

3 ай бұрын

Running Doom on rat neurons

Dawid answering all the questions living rent free in our minds

i wanna see more of the peltiar coolers

i have one of the rare coolermaster V10 peltier cooler, you could try and find one, but not sure it fits modern cpu

Dawid answering questions no one else had the balls to ask I love it

the wraith stealth also is in the ryzen 7

We love to see that phone cooler sticked on without its back on !!

I have been waiting for something stupid… and this is exactly what I was looking for!

now you should disassemble the temu cooler and cool the peltier/tec with the cpu cooler i'd love to see how that would perform

Funny thing, if this was just a small CU cooler, without the Peltier, you probably will have gotten away at keeping the CPU working at 30W. The issue is that the Peltier added more heat to the copper and this reduces cooling performance. So on effect, your having a inefficient heat transfer. People do not understand that CPUs work best / most efficient in 3Ghz or less range, and this is where need less power = less heat = ... And everything after 3Ghz starts to become dimishing returns. Sure, you get another 50% performance (in theory ... other things like memory bandwidth, L2/L3 cache etc are also a issue) out of it at 4.5Ghz, but your power draw now hit 90W, instead of 30W. There is a reason why those big server CPUs only run in the 2.5 ~ 3Ghz range. Because they can then put 64 cores in a 200W or less power budget.

THIS is the content we need

Dawid did you try over-clocking GF 210 and comparing it with HD 630 (7th gen intel cpus igpu)

You really should do the same video but with a cooler from a gaming phone, those are very powerful and can cool below 0° in some cases you can even see the ice forming on the lower plate

this video gives me 1 metric head injury

both cases you didnt have any mounting pressure so the temps were really high(also no thermal paste/pads on the ryzen CPU). if you used zipties you've might seen up to 40c less on the panda and 15c on the ryzen

More than the video, I'm even more surprised you manages 8 minutes and 40 seconds of content out of such an idea lol

This is crazy Dawid lmao!

I wanna see you place that heatsink back on the pi, buuut with a solid copper block between the two.

I sense a lot of throttling in this video. Of the thermal variety.

would have been interesting to see him upgrade the paste on the peliter cooler too!

Dawid buying this thing: "surely it's a scam, it won't be able to cool my phone". The coorel: I'll cool your phone and your sister too while at it. What a champ.