So we have a Deflecting Swat countering a Fierce Guardianship countering a Fierce Guardianship countering a Force of Will countering a Seedborn Muse. Force of Will being the only counter that someone actually paid mana for. Safe to say Commander: Ikoria has had an impact on the format.

Good Gravy, That stack of free spells

I really REALLY appreciate the little details on editing, the hand count is a huge + for me. And the mana floating wasn't unnoticed either :D

Stack Wars Episode V: the Counters Strike Back

Now that’s a stack

@orinmatthew

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same! Haha what a string of events!

@shoroku1101

4 жыл бұрын

That’s a manly stack for real.

Probably my favorite episode, just because of the amount of counter wars and stack interaction. Always one of my favorite parts of the game.

@one_bad_mofo8658

3 жыл бұрын

I got into a stack war with a buddy of mine whose a real Esper freak and i'm huge on Jeskai, and I was playing with my Sevinne deck (I have like 5 Jeskai decks lol and my cedh deck is Kykar!) and its my medium power control deck. I gave my graveyard flashback after someone killed my Scary Teferi which enabled him to use his 3 counters in his hand...but i had 3 counters in the grave and 2 in hand. Easy to see, he wasn't winning this counter war lol.

My favourite parts of this match: ‘loses his Mana Crypt trigger’ and ‘pays for Rhystic Study’

If the stack is as thick as a draft deck; yooooooouuuu might be playing CEDH.

Holy cow that stack was crazy. Great game guys.

''You will see very shortly why this isn't a big issue'' *flashback of Braden drawing demonic consultation* Ah shit here we go again ;p

You are literally one of the few cedh channels that don't use proxies, kudos!

This was a great game! Wp by all, and a really nice final turn by Braden. Also, the editing for these games make it very easy to follow along! Keep it up.

Not sure why there's so much hate on Consult. It's a compact win. So be it.

@ragnarokice0

4 жыл бұрын

I dont get it too, it is more fair then flash

@Aldrnari956

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t think that people actually have a problem with it being a compact win, it’s just that it can get old seeing which decks people pick and knowing that the Thrasios/Tymna deck running the consultation combo is going to win. This game was really great with some awesome back and forth, but still boiled down to the same predictable ending. The combo isn’t bad in cEDH, it just gets boring to watch time after time.

@Zilborg

4 жыл бұрын

@@Aldrnari956 Cedh doesn't really focus on how the game ends. The interesting bits are in the interactions, and as was said in the video, it was almost 2 hours long. The game has to end sometime

@MekanikKommandoh88

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. And it's not like you don't have to typically work for that line. That's what made Flash Hulk so bad - you could literally set up the win before your opponent could do even have a turn.

Excellent game and, as usual, a fantastic presentation of the action. Great job!

That was some of the best commentary of a complicated stack I have seen in Magic content. Very clear. Nicely done.

I wasn’t expecting so much interaction you pulled out a box to show the stack, but that was cool!

Wow that was a crazy stack! Much appreciation to the narrator who made that complicated mess much easier to understand and to whomever had to edit that part.

Woo! Divergent Kykar is one of my favorites - good to see it more, it's my personal cEDH deck of choice.

the stack was insane. I loved watching it.

Assuming that the only card we KNOW Nate had in hand at the time was mana drain I feel like he maybe should have cast that evacuation. He would loose his construct which isn't ideal but as he wasn't really set up to win the next turn anyway from the looks of it I feel like wasting mana re-casting Urza would have hurt him less than recasting their boards would hurt everyone else. Just a thought though, obviously it's hard to say without knowing what he had in hand and such. Great game and thanks for introducing me to cEDH Cast :) Keep up the great work!

Truely epic content! Ty so much 🙌🏻

Great game! The way it was finally won doesnt bother me at all. That game had so much interaction and back and forth. Don't let KZread comments from the few that want to criticize, discourage you from putting fun cEDH games like that together for us to watch. We can watch casual jank anywhere, hard to find games like this. Keep the content coming please.

*when the playing screen zooms out to make room for the stack* Me: Oh boi here we go!

I like the oracle + consult wins. Especially when stax pieces and counter spells are in play, it requires a lot of setup and preparation when facing down three skilled opponents who are expecting it. Great video, fun game.

whoo cEDH cast love you guys

Super interesting game with lots of nuanced plays!

Those stacks were crazy!

IMO it's less that people hate consultation wins and more that your channel featured an entire season of nothing BUT consultation wins, which led to stale and repetitive content. This was a quality grindfest of a game, highly interactive, and fun to watch.

I really enjoy these videos. I also love the channel name! It's basically the opposite of my playgroup. We would definitely be called CompetitivelyCasual! We don't do the combo wins like that(no consultations, Thasa's Oracle etc), but use a lot of high synergy cards that push our decks just under competitive.

Ahhhh. Nice to see Braden and Ian on. See you on Nexus Ian.

I actually think the game wouldn't have been over if Zirda had landed. More thrasios activations sure but i dont think countering zirda when he had just revealed a demonic consultation was the play. Instead i think just waiting for the consult wouldve been a better move and finding another way to deal with zirda thrasios was a better option.

Normally I don't like Consultation wins, but I actually enjoyed this one. It was a grind for all players, and having just enough to barely win was a good way to end it. Also, that's one of the biggest stacks I've seen

Easily the most epic counter war I ever seen

Ian took so much smoke that game, I couldn't help but root for him. Still, mad props to Braden for the clutch win!

@thetimebinder

4 жыл бұрын

The second I saw Ian's opening hand, he was the favorite to win.

Definitely one of the best counter war

The counter spell war was awesome

amazing gameplay

that stack was incredible

What a game!

Now THAT is a Stack war!

I really enjoy the content you guys put out! I do have one suggestion: maybe get more music for the background. Hearing the same song on repeat for 25 minutes is a bit much, especially if I’m watching multiple episodes back to back. Maybe it’s just because I’m a musician. Wishing you guys all the best. Keep up the great work!

@kaytschumps7863

4 жыл бұрын

I agree (horrid at music)

wow that muse battle.... :o

Great game

I ran a similar kykar list, tho this one seems fun too

I know D.Consultation is boring but this game was long enough to be enjoyable. Good game!

Always wondered if there was any reason to run spellseeker in the kykar deck over trinket mage if the goal is to grab divining top. Is it simply because spellseeker is a much better draw on its own apart from the combo?

Please make the card in the middle slightly bigger, make it take up the whole frame. Right now it’s just small enough I have to squint and turn up my resolution to read it. I love your content definitely my favorite gameplay channel :) also imo it would be super cool for you guys to try out less competitive decks. You’ve already worked with Mitch I think it’d be cool if you all used some of his cheaper decks.

Kykar 👍, nice vid

I would like to see you go back during the closing thoughts to discuss choices made during the big stack over seedborn! There's always lots of choices to be discussed.

If torpor orb is tapped it doesn’t affect anything It’s a very good interaction when you tap it during your turn to get effects then untap it to shut down your opponents

@louishrowejr6644

4 жыл бұрын

Torpor Orb stops ETB regardless of it being tapped. It doesn't work like the other Orbs

Hey, do you know what the cedh discord server is? I cant seem to find it. And everyones always talking about there being. dedicated server for cedh

Spells stacking like a game of jenga

That interaction is a typical day in a cedh pod when everyone or majority is running blue. Also evacuation should have been cast to reset the board. Tons of creatures

So, this was a really good game. I enjoyed the back and forth and the counterspell war. At the end of the day, it was still a deck winning with Thrasios and demonic consultation. No matter how good the sequencing and play is, every game seems to come down to someone running Thrasios and drawing out the entire deck. There needs to be better variety in the decks played on this channel. I know you guys focus on high end gameplay, but it seems like Casually Competitive repeatedly proves that the cEDH meta is far too narrow right now.

braden txt how good his hand was at the beginning lols.

Why play the t1 crypt with no follow up play and no colored mana? Loved the vid!

That stack was THICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

What a fucking grind. XD GG to all.

The most disputed seedborn muse ever seen

I’ve had an idea, and maybe it’s been done on the channel, but what about mono color commanders only

Even T and T is one bar away from FULLY optimized (in your Competitive Meter). What deck will cause you to turn the Competitive Meter to the max???

Wait with deflecting swat forcing the guardianship to counter the swat, doesn't that just create a loop?

hello braden

I have a question to the turn from Bill in 6:43: He taps Fellwar Stone, Exotic Orchard, Shivan Reef and Ancient Tomb to cast Kykar. In the Video it is said that he pays 2 life from the Ancient Tomb. Shouldn't he pay 3 life to have a red or blue from the Shivan Reef to cast Kykar? It doesn't matter in the end.

Interesting that medium green is only 9/10 on the competitive scale! Out of curiousity, what does a 10 look like?

@RoxyGotMoxy.

4 жыл бұрын

Thrasios+Tymna Flash-Hulk, also featuring Bomberman Combo and Consultation+Oracle combo, and sometimes even Cephalid Breakfast combo. Its generally regarded as THE best commander deck, though there are certainly several others that are very close in terms of power. It's just so explosive, consistent and resilient and resistant to combo disruption that its super hard to put down.

@RoxyGotMoxy.

4 жыл бұрын

I personally enjoy Tymna+Kraum Opus Thief tempo and Ikra+Tymna Ad Nauseam-Sickening Dreams combo decks

@cEDHCast

4 жыл бұрын

I think it usually would be a 10, but I wasn’t proxying some of the newer cards from Ikoria like Fierce Guardianship or Magistrate

@benoitbusque3601

4 жыл бұрын

@@RoxyGotMoxy. w/o flash hulk would that win package still be considered the "10"?

@RoxyGotMoxy.

4 жыл бұрын

@@benoitbusque3601 probably 9-9.5 now. Idk that there is a '10' ie an undisputed best deck, but T+T is still right at the top.

THAT... counter.... war........

Bradon was greedy by not playing flusterstorm targeting seedborn muse and it backfired

Just sayin' Braden wouldn't have had such a hard time if Adam had played Aluren

Okay wouldn’t it be easier to use trinket mage instead of spell seeker. U get to tutor for the top right away instead of tutoring for it. Am I just not seeing something?

"ian cast a deflecting swat targeting bill's fierce guardianship changing the target of the counterspell to the deflecting swat" Wasn't it illegal for a spell/ability on the stack to target itself?

@georgeroyle3101

4 жыл бұрын

It didn't target itself. It made the fierce guardianship target it.

Moral of the game. Don’t cast your mana crypt if you don’t need it

With the rampant lab maniac-esque wincon in the format nowadays, did anybody bother to include stifle or the mack daddy of all stifle, trickbind (one could argue nimble obs is better but 2U is > 1U) in their deck?

Can you guys please do a marsuil deck, hes my favorite commander ever

Funny how urza build with a lot of creatures.

Great game but not a fan of the deck names being used in-game versus the commanders ('Evolution' vs Thrasios/Bruse Tarl)

Now the stack is cool and all, but shouldn’t Ian have gotten 3 more life and dealt 3 more damage to Braden with double strike Bruse?

@cEDHCast

4 жыл бұрын

It was blocked

The way my playgroup never misses triggers is that you have to have your artifacts on the battlefield next to where your creatures are basically. Otherwise, we would probably miss 60% of all the triggers.

12:55-15:30 B R U H

Welp. The stack was used.

2 cards combo win. So much skill. That stack was awesome.

I see this done frequently, I never understand why someone would play mana crypt on T1 if they don't have a play to utilize this mana? Why not wait to play it on your next turn and save yourself the potential 3 life loss? I guess weigh the pros/cons of protecting it by keeping it in your hand vs protecting it from being countered on T2?

@Dune355

4 жыл бұрын

i thought about this too and I think the best reason to play it is, if you fear a t1 island mana crypt windfall play. which is not likely, but maybe worth losing 1,5 life to be save

@Zzectbu

4 жыл бұрын

While in this particular game it didn't really make a difference, T1 rocks into wheel is a serious risk, and Mystic Remora is a frequently played card. Trinisphere is also something to watch out for from Urza. Given these potentially very bad outcomes from waiting, the risk of an extra 3 damage is well worth it.

@mikestephens267

4 жыл бұрын

If you play it before - It gets around Spell Pierce effects, it doesn't get pitched if someone Wheel of Fortunes, Windfall's or Burning Inquiry's. It stops people from drawing due to Rhystic, or Remora. It gets around Trinsphere and helps to mitigate Rule of Law. It allows you to use colorless mana on your next upkeep in case you do something like Crypt, Land, Birds of Paradise - and then your opponent drops Tabernacle. And fewer counters are online. Paying on average 1.5 life vs the availability of having 2 extra mana seems like a fantastic deal. 40 Life is a huge resource, don't view it like people viewed Necro in the early days (The Magazine Inquest rated it the worst card in the set - imagine paying life for cards???).

@cEDHCast

4 жыл бұрын

Braden here! 2/3 opponents played wheels, 3/3 play remora, 1/3 play stax effects that make crypt harder to cast. It’s worth the average 1.5 life to me to play it early.

@dirtpickingusa8786

4 жыл бұрын

@@cEDHCast Makes sense, I'm just a dabbler in CEDH and Casual Competitive. A commander league I play in is probably Casual Competitive, every deck has some infinite combo in it, but games never end before turn 7. I have just as much fun forcing 4 players to saddle up with vanilla precons! :)

I've complained about D.Con before as I think it's a really uninteresting and lazy way to win but this was a really good game from all players

Bluh

Skellseeker seems much inferior to trinket mage

I don’t understand why Braden would cast Mana Crypt on turn 1 when he can’t cast anything after it. You just risk yourself losing 3 life on your next upkeep. And he did lose 3 life. Unless he keeps his opponents play Stax cards.

@Zzectbu

4 жыл бұрын

While it's generally a bad idea to play a Mana Crypt that you can't do anything with right away in casual Commander, in cEDH it's a very different issue because wheels, Mystic Remora and Trinisphere are all things that can and semi-frequently do happen on Turn 1. The extra two mana a turn from Mana Crypt is so valuable in a cEDH game that the minor downside of playing a Crypt when you can't use it right away is far preferable to risking your opponents either drawing cards off your Crypt or - even worse - wheeling while it's stuck in your hand.

I've been loving the channel guys, but what's with all of the coddling around people not liking the consultation combo? These games are not playing powered down Harry Potter tribal decks. This is a semi-competitive format. There is a ton of casual EDH content out there for those with the issue. Keep up the great work.

Thassa Oracle can work even if Torpor Orb is in play????

@tanvijune8668

4 жыл бұрын

Was bounced by chain of vapor

Like yeah consultation wins are anticlimactic but god I'd rather play against that a hundred times without Thrasios because he's just that busted

cEDH = Counterspells EDH Nonetheless, amazing game... So many awesome interactions! Kudos to all the players for their skills and plays.

I liked the game. Really interesting to see that both Thrasios decks were keeping lands on top with their scry. I have to note that your closing thoughts were very repetitive. Both on words used (e.g. exciting) and the message you wanted to bring across (e.g Consult = „boring“)

Why do people play mana crypt t1 and not use it? It’s only 3 life; and a 50/50 shot at losing it, but I thought cedh was all about maximizing value?

@TheAmericanpieman

4 жыл бұрын

Because while you might not use it that turn you get it out ahead of stacks pieces, such as rhystic study.

@h1h0n3y

4 жыл бұрын

Losing it to stax or wheel is bad, just play it immediately.

Eh, another demonic consultation win..

I love you guys, but like every episode has an illegal play that gets claimed doesn't matter. The Tribute Mage should have been stopped by his own controller's Torper Orb, which is very bad form on the Urza player. The Orb was kinda hidden on the stream, which is also bad form as it should have been in a very obvious place.

First

"negative connotation to a demonic consultation win." sounds like those same people who dont like counter magic or land destruction. its a type of deck or archetype. i personally dont like games where you turn creatures sideways to win games so we need to eliminate creatures.

Bleh, a pod with four blue players a combo win and nearly no combat. Sure there were some tall stacks but still

I hate it when players hide their mana rocks and artifacts in their land pile. Super suspicious playing imo.

@thetimebinder

4 жыл бұрын

Yup. Very bad form. It makes messing up Dockside treasure amounts and those rocks tend to not be effected by Vandle blast and Null Rod

I think the descriptions at the end are going more and more toward defending why the players have now just gone from Casually Competitive to just plain competitive

Everyone always spending all their interaction on meaningless stuff then the game ends abruptly with consultation and nobody has any responses. zzzzz

Good Game, but al cEDH games are the same, a lot of counters, win exiling the library...

@thetimebinder

4 жыл бұрын

Except Najeela. While she can win with Oracle, I almost always win by turning attackers sideways.