Upgrading a 90s Arcade Machine with MiSTercade - FPGA Gaming Excellence!
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Reviewing an exciting new device in the retro scene: the MiSTercade v1.1! A drop-in hardware emulation solution for JAMMA arcade machines, and it is awesome. Sure it may not have all the games and customization offered by a Raspberry Pi or PC setup, but what it does offer is highly accurate low latency gaming that's a step above the rest when it's at its best. The future of the MiSTer Project is bright!
● Here's the website I bought it from:
www.misteraddons.com/
● LGR links:
/ lazygamereviews
/ lazygamereviews
/ lazygamereviews
● Background music licensed from:
www.epidemicsound.com
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I've owned my Mister for about a year and the amount of stuff being added since I bought it is nuts. It's no exaggeration to say that every time I run my update all script (about once a week) there are new arcade cores coming down the pipe. The guys who do this stuff are passionate and productive.
@namegoeshere69
Жыл бұрын
Do they have any of the golden tees running on the mister yet? Golden tee fore specifically
@InvadeNormandy
Жыл бұрын
@Tristan Different device for different purposes and different accuracy levels.
@Gatorade69
Жыл бұрын
@@namegoeshere69 That's the one with the trackball, right ? Here's what I could find. "Trackball is close to being easy. You can find an "arcade usb trackball" for pretty cheap, although in my experience it doesn't work that great (some movement would lock to cardinal directions, doesn't spin much after the initial push). You can pretty easily find actual arcade trackballs like Happ and Beston Imperial, and usually those have some sort of board like the I-PAC 2 that can be used to convert it to USB. The problem at that point is finding a nice case for the trackball and board, which I haven't really found. If you can find it, at one point X-Arcade made a [standalone trackball controller]. Unfortunately they don't make this one anymore and they don't pop up often, so this may be hard to get. In terms of games, Marble Madness would definitely be a good one. I have tried the MD version with a trackball mapped to the mouse on MiSTer and it works fine. There was recently support added for Irritating Maze on Neo Geo, that's a pretty neat one to try." I removed the links because KZread will delete my comment.
I was lucky enough to be a tester on this, and can say that it is a FANTASTIC device. Glad you're digging it! So many cool things already done, and even more on the way!
2:08 so you've probably shown it before, but this is the first time I've seen the way the cabinet comes apart and my god that is a gorgeous bit of engineering
@LGR
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s highly useful! I went into the cabinet more in the previous episode: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJ99sMqekdTLYps.html
@namegoeshere69
Жыл бұрын
That dynamo cab is really good,one of my favorite arcade cabs
Dude, this is amazing! Thank you for sharing!
Awesome Clint!!! Love how everything is coming together for that Viper4 arcade cabinet. It's just amazing what the modern tech community comes up with to keep the arcade gaming scene alive!!! With so many mainstream arcades disappearing from malls, cinemas and bowling alleys it's becoming harder for people to get that fix (unless you pay to go into one of these private collection arcades). Really want to create a sit-down racing cabinet with a FPGA, be nice to play Classics like Ridge Racer, San Fransico Rush, Outrun and Sega Rally as it's meant to be played.
MiSTer is a really cool concept. The fact that you can just drop one into an arcade cabinet is just awesome. It's about as close as you're gonna get without using the original board and those are getting scarce. (Not to mention that a fair deal of those boards are dying due to capacitors giving out, suicide batteries, general wear tear with age.) It's early days now, but where there's a will there is a way. I fully expect it to support pretty much all popular arcade games within a few years. Also cool to see another Cave shooter enthusiast. I've fallen in love with those ever since Dodonpachi Resurrection made it over to the west as a mobile game many years ago. I've been anxiously waiting for an opportunity to play Saidaioujou for a decade now, but every time any news on that drops it just seems to get further out of my reach. There's a less than great 360 port and an arcade re-release. That last one meaning that emulation ain't happening for another decade.
@namegoeshere69
Жыл бұрын
Running a pc with groovymame and CRT emu is still better.
@markmcdougall3594
8 ай бұрын
There are limitations on the boards that can be emulated on the DE10-Nano but like MAME, MiSTer will evolve onto new hardware platforms as FPGAs get bigger, faster and cheaper.
I have seen a couple of videos about mister. Yet yours is again one of the more enjoyable ones! Thank you Clint!
It's great that gamers have these FPGA options but let us never forget that MAME and others paved the way for modern arcade emulation solutions. Their teams deserve a lot of credit.
@labnine3362
Жыл бұрын
I've been running MAME in my arcade game since the late 90s. I agree 100%!!!
@javierruizleon
Жыл бұрын
no one is forgetting that, we all started with MAME
@magnusbronsan2086
11 ай бұрын
@@javierruizleon some of us started in actual arcades, lol
@markmcdougall3594
8 ай бұрын
MAME is still used as a technical reference for arcade emulation projects, including MiSTer. I've used it for FPGA cores as well as RE and transcoding/porting of arcade games to other platforms. MAME is an invaluable resource and will always remain so.
I love my MiSTer, glad I got it 2 years ago before all the prices went insane. My buddy's gonna be helping me build a custom arcade cabinet for my man-cave that comfortably seats 4 once we move in a few years.
@ribber9740
Жыл бұрын
time for some gauntlet legends? 👀👀
@Jokerwolf666
Жыл бұрын
@@ribber9740 Dark Legacy!
@ribber9740
Жыл бұрын
@@Jokerwolf666 even better 🤩
The Raiden games are great! Had the 1&2 anthology on PS1 with the 2p joystick
@jemleith3263
Жыл бұрын
Ur mom is a raiden game
Even though Mister has just a few hundred of arcade cores compared to using a Pi or whatever else, The low-latency is what does it for me and I’m happy at the rate new cores are being added.
@labnine3362
Жыл бұрын
There are a couple of great USB gamepads with almost no latency you can use with a Pi4 setup. The Retrobit Sega Genesis controller is one of them. Highly recommended. I used it on both the MiSTer and the Pi4 using RetroPie.
@InvadeNormandy
Жыл бұрын
@@labnine3362 Fun fact there's more to it than "Controller latency" but simply that analog snappiness across the board that is still missing even with overhead.
Thanks dude, glad you covered this, your system came together really nicely.
I've been following the MiSTer project for quite some time, and I wish I had one! The kit you're covering here looks super complete. I can't wait to see how far the development goes on the DE-10 Nano! So far, so good! MiSTer project is a preservation project of note!
PS1 will forever have the best boot up sound, along with SEGA and the OG Xbox.
@WatanabeNoTsuna.
Жыл бұрын
Your definition of "best" is very broad, if all three are THE best...
@EddieBurke
Жыл бұрын
Windows 98 and windows XP are based
@maxxdahl6062
Жыл бұрын
@@slightlyevolved This.
@69inetails
Жыл бұрын
Ps1 boot up is the most satisfying..
@Shampoid
Жыл бұрын
i guess no one cares about the gameboy advance anymore
A functioning arcade machine in good shape with a CRT monitor is a rare and beautiful sight. They were everywhere when I was a kid. Now, not so much.
I love playing OG Game Boy games on my New Astro City candy cab via Mister, it feels so perverse 😂
@axelkusanagi4139
Жыл бұрын
I shared a similar degeneracy when I played game boy advance games with a NEOGEO kidney stick. Made metal slug advance feel like a real arcade game.
Man, thank you so much for the subtitles. Your videos help me to study English. You are the only one making them on KZread whole the time. Respect!
11:51 I love LGR's little shrug when he finds the Fabtek wallpaper.
Thank god for MAME. Cool to see the hardware, love the idea of the MiSTer, will in no way be able to afford either anytime soon. Emulation = life.
Considering how expensive it is to setup a real cabinet, I think 500 bucks is super reasonable. Throw in a pi or something to play everything else and you have the best home arcade on the market I think.
@keilmillerjr9701
Жыл бұрын
That's more than what I purchased my whole mvs cab for. The de10-nano is unobtainable right now.
@mooommo14
Жыл бұрын
You got a good deal then. Where I live you can't even get a broken cabinet missing all of the parts for under 1k.
@billyelliotx
Жыл бұрын
Cabinets are a few hundred bucks if you just want a donor cab. I saw a street fighter three 3rd strike go for a few hundred bucks without a PCB. I got a full Neo Geo Goldie for $650 with two slot MVS. That being said, the price of a mister pays for itself if you run a handful of games off it vs original PCBs. If you're using this to play one game, you're not getting a good deal.
I have great admiration for people who make really nice PCB's even tho you'll rarely see them.
Mister is somewhat expensive but oh so nice once you have it that it never ends up gathering dust like a Pi setup.
@maxxdahl6062
Жыл бұрын
Somewhat?
@spazda_mx5
Жыл бұрын
@@maxxdahl6062 If you're putting this in an arcade cabinet then you're already far enough down the rabbit hole to consider a Mister as only 'somewhat expensive' 😅
@maxxdahl6062
Жыл бұрын
@@spazda_mx5 Then might as well get a real cab for that. lol
@PeTTs0n88
Жыл бұрын
@@maxxdahl6062 Problem is that getting ahold of the real PCBs to fill it can be pretty much impossible. It's not *just* about the money.
@maxxdahl6062
Жыл бұрын
@@PeTTs0n88 Not if you're patient. You can find just about anything. I bought a 1 slot neo geo MVS pcb, still in it's factory box for a fraction of what this costs.
OMG! That's so cool! Im so jealous cause you have raiden in cabinet form, and mistercade.
This is perfect timing I'm building my own arcade machine and this would work great
Great info! Wasn't aware of this. Thanks!
surface mounting the mistercade board to a cabinet would look sick, vertical mounting like you would a gpu and building the cabinet around that
13:42 I've never seen a PCB cut to fit a vertical capacitor like that. Nothing wrong with it the electrons won't fall out and it's cool.
@kyanche
Жыл бұрын
Oh yea that's awesome! Hrmm the most bonkers capacitor solution I've seen so far is what apple did on their studio display lol. They cut holes in the PCB and stuck the capacitors in the hole aligned with the PCB. It's so weird.
@scotshabalam2432
Жыл бұрын
@@kyanche It's not that unusual I've seen that done on boards going back to the 80's. It's done to achieve thin form factors.
@billyelliotx
Жыл бұрын
That's also just a cosmetic cover as a traditional mister has a similar sandwich height form factor.
I love MiSTer so much. I need to get an Astrocade (yeah, I know... I also need a unicorn and the original Klingon dead sea scrolls).
Looks amazing! Super jelly.
I can still remember how it felt that Christmas morning in 1990 something when I plugged in my PS1 for the first time and clicked in the disc.
@almostliterally593
Жыл бұрын
PS1 was released in 1994/1995, not 1990.
@sebastiangorka200
Жыл бұрын
@@almostliterally593 he got it early, his dad works at Sony
This is sick dude
LGR is pumping really great content videos recently! 👍
@invghost
Жыл бұрын
LGR is pumping really great content videos for the past 14 years*
@mrjoshmtz97
Жыл бұрын
@@invghost Damn. That's pretty a long time. I have been watching his videos since 2010.
Nice Desk and Speakers and Setup :D
I recently bought a 2nd MiSTer setup for my home office (for both gaming and development) to complement the one in my retro games room. Now I'm considering a 3rd just to stick in my arcade cabinet via the MiSTercade... it really is a beautiful piece of kit!
I was always terrible at vertical shooters, but there was one at my old job i played a ton and really enjoyed, Varth: Operation Thunderstorm. It was made by Capcom, ran on CPS1 hardware, and the game has a hidden Ryu and shoryuken in one of the levels!
I'm quite happy with 'inaccurate' software emulation, but I can apprecite how cool and important for preservation this project is.
@Imgema
Жыл бұрын
Software emulation being inherently innacurate is a myth the FPGA market uses to sell more products
@Jokerwolf666
Жыл бұрын
Some emulators are insanely accurate now so enjoy retro the way you want to.
@Gatorade69
Жыл бұрын
@@Jokerwolf666 YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE RIGHT EXPERIENCE. YOU MUST PLAY ON ORIGINAL HARDWARE ONLY ! ANYTHING ELSE IS BLASPHEMY AND YOU WILL BURN IN GAMING HELL.
@HieronymousLex
Жыл бұрын
to be fair, there are plenty of 90s arcade games that run like absolute shit on MAME and are completely unplayable with 5 or more frames of input lag. If you’re into shmups, fighting games, or beat ‘em ups, FPGA is really a big step up. I use retroarch for arcade currently, I’m not saying emulation is bad. But I’m saying that it’s not a negligible difference like it is with a lot of emulators nowadays like dolphin that are basically perfect
@HieronymousLex
Жыл бұрын
@@Gatorade69 and yeah who is saying you have to play on PCBs other than the one hundred guys that buy them all up and hoard them for profit? Nobody. We all want to play these games and the original hardware can cost thousands. I just think people don’t understand the appeal of fpga so they see this as not worth it and that you should just use a pi (lol)
Man I’m so jealous, watching you play Donpachi and Guwange on a cabinet like that. I really want one of these some day. I have to drive to the galloping ghost to play cave games on a cab, at home I just use a game pad. Goals right there
Everyone posting in the sub replies of "Just get a pi lol who needs to spend this much" needs to watch Clint's other FPGA gaming video to get an idea of why you might, as a very enthused hobbyist, spring for the extra coin. Both are good, just one is more niche for people who value the accuracy and lack of delay.
I really miss videos on the food channel!!
I grew up with the same dream as any 90s kid: to win the lottery and have my own arcade built in my house. At this point things like this make that viable without the big win, but it also makes me think that the actual owners of any of those boards or cabinets are custodians of history at this point, not just Tom Hanks in Big.. although they might be that too.
Wow that a blast from the past
I also had to go for a second MiSTer for an arcade cab. There are a bunch of little 'gotchas' with my MiSTercade --the two big ones for me are the controllers getting easily swapped around, and giving up simultaneous HDMI audio, which makes recording/streaming harder than I'd wished. It took a couple weeks to properly sort those gremlins. I'm also a bit jelly of your MiSTercade board covers--mine didn't come with any. I was wondering what all the extra standoffs were for.
With all this setup you could open your own arcade if you so desired. :D
MrFPGA is the future of "emulation" ... just gota get those chips rolling out!
Saturday breakfast with PB&R toasts, scrambled egg, fresh OJ and coffee... AND new LGR vid? ... I don't deserve this! :)
I'd LOVE to see some Neo Geo on the MiSTercade, specifically because there are apparently overclocked Neo Geo cores that can run Metal Slug games with less slowdown.
Wow I love that they are bringing back the classics and retro gaming is making somewhat of a comeback 😀
@THEONLYGORE
Жыл бұрын
Retro has always been here :D Its just that the next generation is finally accepting it :D
@ffwast
Жыл бұрын
@@THEONLYGORE or maybe the games industry just sucks bad enough now for people to start looking back more.
Just a great channel. Just a great great great great channel.
epic setup
That original PSX boot-up sound is just amazing!
Loving my MiSTer
You are the soothing side of life LGR😌☕
LGRcade is such a simple but clever name, kudos
Other than the coronary during the wallet check, looks like a promising project, thanks for the review.
I miss playing at the arcades
@thecunninlynguist
Жыл бұрын
Me too brother
@calaifur
Жыл бұрын
same. it was one of the only social activities I could interact with. just being able to walk up to someones cabinet, put in a quarter and just play was so much easier than awkwardly asking if they wanted to play with you
@no64256
Жыл бұрын
I wasn't even alive when coin-ops were popular, and even I do
@yarayar1
Жыл бұрын
Look for a barcade in your area, pretty popular trend now.
@kirbymarchbarcena
Жыл бұрын
@@yarayar1 There are no more malls in my area where arcades were prominent.
Thank you for things!😁
7:07 - Damn... That sound chill me to the bone!
Very nice
Awesome
Was that Guwange? What a gem.
NGL, nostalgia hit me in the feels like a ton of bricks when the PlayStation boot sound came up... it even managed to pull a manly tear out of my eye.
MiSTer is lit!
A rotatable crt tube would be epic! Like the ibm monitor.
gotta make a note to come back to this vid in 5 years to say 'hi'
Guwange on mister is such a treat with a proper vert setup :D
Never dabbled with arcade stuff outside of emulation with a controller but would love a cabinet in the game room.
ill be watching this product with interest ..
LGRcade is a good name if there's a series of videos here.
One thing to keep in mind when choosing between something like RasPi & MiSTer is that RasPi has many additional options and more games compatible with different systems. BUT it's just basic emulation.. may as well just throw an old laptop or desktop with qual frontends like coinops or Type R. When you choose MiSTer your playing all those amazing arcade, console, computer and handhelds titles with FPGA tech.. meaning each arcade board and title hardware is backwards engineered so when you experience these games they will be NEARLY identical to experiencing the real thing.. the actual console or arcade cabinet when you first experienced them at your local arcade or fav console xmas morning as a kid. It's pure nostalgia.. magic. So far away from what basic emulation offers.. going back to emulation will be ruined forever. Promise.
OMG things? That's exactly what I like!
Holy shit you own a arcade machine!!!!🤩 oh man, I love this channel even more now😊
@LGR
Жыл бұрын
Two, and I’ve got multiple videos on each of them!
I love how you upgraded but kept the CRT in the cabinet
@sebastiangorka200
Жыл бұрын
thats the whole point, dumbass
@billyelliotx
Жыл бұрын
LCDs are downgrades for retro games that were designed to be played on a CRT.
@namegoeshere69
Жыл бұрын
@@billyelliotx CRT all day for arcades, this is the way
@billyelliotx
Жыл бұрын
@@namegoeshere69 yeah, I was at first on the "a LCD looks good" until I actually did an A to B comparison and realized how much of an impact a CRT makes on retro graphics and response time. Granted, LCD shadow mask shaders have come a long way but I think it's been said you need 8k resolution and 1000Hz displays to actually match what a CRT can do.
That's awesome, but I'm poor, so I'll stick with the raspberry pi 3b+ in the little NES case for emulation.
Ah living the dream.
"The future potential is bright as ball!" Well that's a new one to the lexicon
I have to ask a Question does anyone know if this will work with a Crystal Castles arcade machine and do they make one that would fit in a Atari cab
I somehow can't stop reading it as "MSTiecade", as in "we've got video game sign!" 😁
I just got PS3 running via rpcs3 on my rig. Was really useful having a 3950x to compile the stuff. Still took forever tho.
I think it's only fair to note that MAME-based systems (Pi and PC based emulation setups) are based on the work of thousands of developers working together over multiple decades. The MiSTer system is primarily the work of a comparatively tiny cadre of key core developers, working over the past 5 years. However, such a comparison highlights the fact that MiSTer's main attraction is it's FPGA architecture, not it's competitive status in the "who has more games?" stakes.
Clint... you just created a new catch phrase #Pile-o-files
You should remember that this board, although entry level, is professional grade. The fact that this board has both an ARM processor and an FPGA onboard with free programming tools (again, entry level), made it suitable for this kind of a project. But when this project started, Terasic had a huge increase of orders for this board (and DE10 in generally), and take the chip shortage into consideration and you can see why this had gotten so expensive. I remember this board was around $100-105 with education \ university discount early last year, now it's $180 with discount and $215 without, my DE10-Standard board now costs $50 more than when I ordered it. Being worth the cost boils down to the support of the developers, because it can be updated both in terms of hardware and software, and even if it doesn't get support anymore - you can always use it for something else or just sell it, because it's a development kit.
Greetings from 2027, the chip shortage is now way worse after the start of the robot wars.
@spacetoilet
Жыл бұрын
And those poor suckers complaining about $600 for a setup, its $7000 now!
@denis480
Жыл бұрын
Operation Dark Storm will bring it under control.
I'm quite happy with my MAME setup with LCD tate monitor... which I had the money and space for an actual cabinent though.
This just made me wish arcades were still a thing...Just a great scene to hang out and play games. Anyway, neat device! WAY out of my price range but still, hope more games are supported on it in the future!
@alextirrellRI
Жыл бұрын
If you're ever in New England, there are Freeplay Arcades in Providence, RI and Worcester, MA. There was also a smaller arcade bar in Providence but it seems like it closed with the pandemic. I go to the Providence one once a month or so. It's very much a real arcade with a good mix of cabinets from the early days to the modern day. Mostly from the 80s and 90's tho. They have pinball and ski ball too!
I had been following MiSTer for a while and bought a setup in 2020 -- it was less expensive then as supply wasn't an issue yet. Sure, the arcade library isn't huge yet, but the potential is just incredible. The console side is looking a lot more complete. The Sega Saturn core is really coming along. All that's really left to do are the Jaguar and the 3DO? Nothing newer like the N64 is likely on the hardware. On the computer core side, I hear someone started an Apple IIGS? I would love to see a color 68k Mac core, and maybe a ground-up 486 core eventually. I believe the PCXT core just got released!
the speakers of the cabinet do a lot for the atmosphere
I managed to get me a free 4:3 swivel monitor this week. Woo!
Folks talk about stuff like this as an either or proposition. Nothing is stopping anyone from throwing a Mister into an arcade cabinet for it's nearly 1:1 authentic lag free experience for the arcade titles it currently covers and letting a Rpi or PC handle everything else. I'm sure some sort of splitter exists that would allow you hook up both without having to open up the arcade every time to switch between them.
that uranium glass jar makes a nice lamp
4:12 The 2027 viewers shoutout made me chuck... Well more like it hurt as painfully real.
"And, of course, thing you for watching."
So, does this get you perfect vsync with no input lag? I've used typical PC to JAMMA systems for emulators but I always had to choose between screen tearing or unbearably high input lag. If this thing lets you have your cake and eat it too, it's absolutely worth the $500+ entry fee for me
@LGR
Жыл бұрын
It does indeed.
@prufrockrenegade
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. The arcade cores are so lag and tear free that I've heard they're starting to become a popular solution for fighting game tournaments
makes me wonder how would some niche japanese arcade games work on an FPGA setup... border break, starwing paradox, gunslinger stratos.... some of these games need net code implementation
8:45 - It's funny you should say that, because the era in which I was an arcade attendant, most of our machines had switched to some kind of Linux running the backend of things. But yeah, it definitely wasn't common in the early 90s.
not to mention Achievements and high score saves! Invest in a PC or a Pi 4
Admittedly im waiting for something with the mister that plays stuff like the older Beatmania games
I can honestly see the Pi or other solutions right now, but for hardcore players (...nerds) like myself, I think this is still the best value. I have 2 things to say. 1) You can potentially play games on the PS1 core (and any other console core really) that has vertically oriented games, the Raiden DX port available on PS1 is just super amazing and feature rich, in fact, the PS1 port of Raiden II was the ***only*** way to emulate Raiden II for so long! 2) You might not like this, but I personally recommend you adding a 3rd button, games like ESPRade which I saw you playing at the end, are 3 button games, and also you might not like the idea of "autofire", whatever, but most games internally allow that C button to be an autofire, which could make your experience a bit more pleasant for your hand, and makes the list of playable games higher. Nice video, I've been considering getting a Mister, let's see what goes into the future, would like to see if a Sega Naomi core would ever exist soon
Yay things!
Imagine a custom size LCD to dynamically change the header image of your cabinet... O.O
@godslayer1415
Жыл бұрын
NAOMI did that years ago - and it's called the marquee
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