I think this program is simply too expensive. Amazing for those who can afford it, but I will be using beyond ATC when that is released. Great video, will you be doing a stream this evening?

@andy70d35

3 ай бұрын

Agree Beyond ATC for me also.

@OrganAviator

3 ай бұрын

@@andy70d35 Beyond ATC looks and sounds(quite literally) amazing. Certainly worth the one off fee if $30

@JonathanNYCity

3 ай бұрын

SI is $30 for everything. BATC is $30 with very limited premium voices and then you pay as you go if you use up your $30 worth. The other important factor is SI is available RIGHT NOW! I just started using it 3 days ago and it's absolutely amazing.

@eq9710

3 ай бұрын

SI is 30$ a month. A little expensive.

@OrganAviator

3 ай бұрын

@@JonathanNYCity yes, but the basic voices are now free. With SI it is a subscription and an expensive one at that

Thanks for sharing this. It's not perfect, it's not cheap, but it's something I can try out to draw my own conclusions. I am impressed with how far things have developed since they released six weeks ago. I'll try BATC when it's available, but I don't expect that to be perfect either.

I enjoyed the video. Thank you. You made it more clear for me to not go for SayIntentions but wait patiently for BeyondATC. They released a video explaining the technical aspects for vectoring you around. Which is quiet cool and worth the wait. The waiting time to get a response is just too long and it is way too expensive for a beta release. Thank you also to let BATC use your voice in the pro package. 😊

@rzuffu

3 ай бұрын

You know that in real life you dont get immediate response right ? and you have to wait for your turn if some1 is getting clearance etc .

@faabound

3 ай бұрын

As a real world pilot and controller that's what I was going to say. @@rzuffu I have student pilots I swear have the buffering wheel spinning over their heads. LOL

Great video!

Excellent! Thank you. I think I'm finally saying goodbye to Pilot2ATC after five years!

Its a great program but i think that it will stop being popular until Beyond ATC comes out. Its way less expensive and it has a traffic injector built in. Thats why i will be using Beyond instead of SayIntensions.

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

Traffic injection is coming to Say Intentions as well!

@JM1701ABCD

3 ай бұрын

Beyond ATC is all pre-canned responses. SayIntentions you can actually have a conversation with ATC. You can't in BeyondATC.

@Sataniceasterbunny

3 ай бұрын

the basic fanction of an ATC is to control you and the traffic as soon as realistic as possible . Batc are trying to make it happens. the responses are not 100% pre canned like the current atc softwares for example if you say your squawk code wrong responds like sayintentions and props you to repeat the real squawk code. @@JM1701ABCD

@Jackson12438

3 ай бұрын

Great! How much is it?

@Profand0999

3 ай бұрын

@@Jackson12438 i think its 16 dollars. Take a look at their website.

I find this a great addition to flight sim, even in BETA, and well worth $1 a day. Brian and the team are fast and responsive to issues and requests. I'll support it $$. As with all tech we have to start somewhere. I love the fact that there is Say I and shortly beyond ATC. As a tech investor I see these two DEV's leading and driving this new resource to incredible levels in a short span and despite their seemingly different approaches to development and release(s) of product they both deserve applause from the community as it will only make the sim experience better and more realistic.

I'm enjoying this service a lot. I hope they do focus on improving the ground operations next, though.

I tried this i really awesome to beginners like me who never vatsim before. Its so so realistic that we never know that its virtual ai is speaking. Also even if we use phraseology in incorrect way it will autocorrect us . But only downside is 300$ annually

I ran into the same issues on the ground you did. Frustrating. Also, it was insisting I land on a non-existent runway at KDFW. But emergency landing on highway was fun. They sent help! As other's said will wait BeyondATC. I was 1 month and done.

Whilst SayIntentions seems to be an amazing application and changes the quite frankly bad defaul ATC, $300 per year (or $30 per month) is quite a steep price.

wow a great bit of kit, and thanks for bringing to the channel. Do you know if they have any intentions of adding VR support in the near future as his is the only way I fly...

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

Already done 🙂

I use SI and really love it. And the dev is very responsive. When I look where SI stands now and when it was released two months ago…..leaps of advancement almost on a daily basis. And the tour guide is hilarious and very refreshing. I’m a fan but I can understand the price looks high….but on the other hand, prices for AI will come down and if you really like your simming-life, it adds much ambience to the sim so in the end it will come down what you want to spend on your ‘entertainment/pilot-immersion’. I think it is money well spent…and will eat a burger less . But yes, there are a lot of simmers out there who don’t have the luxury to fork out 30 dollars a month easily, I do understand that as well.

I know that they are developping the ai in priority but a little effort on the ui and i get it right now

The moment this integrates with FSTL and the like, I will get on it. For the price, I'd need that to make the jump. Amazing potential!

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

We are planning on our own traffic injector! There is no way to know the intent of FSLTL traffic. They simply provide lat, long, speed, altitude, etc but no intentions. This is a MSFS/FSLTL issue that we will overcome by doing our own!

@guillaume_69

3 ай бұрын

@SayIntentionsAI that makes sense and I'm eager to see it! Thanks for the reply!

Goodbye pilot2atc, hello sayintentions

I just can't get excited about sayintentions when it doesn't help with any other traffic. Okay if you want to fly in an empty world. I also found it took 15 seconds just to respond. A great idea of course and has it's niche, but not for me.

@Profand0999

3 ай бұрын

Just wait for Beyond ATC. It will be much less empty with that traffic injector…

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

Turn Multiplayer on! Average response time is around 11-12 seconds and continually improving. It’s definitely a core metric we track! And traffic injection is coming!

@andrewj2120

3 ай бұрын

They do plan on doing their own traffic injection.

@wingzbc

2 ай бұрын

@@Profand0999 That won't be happening anytime soon

all good, cool voices, but do these programs actually monitor ground and air activity to work accurately with your own flight as you taxi, take-off, fly, land? Do they control other traffic or tell you to wait or go?

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

Right now, it's just controlling you. Traffic injection and sequencing are coming in a few months!

I wish these developers the best but at this price this is not for me even if there wasn't any other competition. ChatGPT has it's limitations it can spit out garbage half of the time and also take a while before it generates a response as we see here in the first call out to clearance delivery. I think scripted with variations is the better way to go. Only use AI for voices.

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

This isnt just ChatGpt. It’s a whole lot of secret sauce!

Stick for US based VFR for now... but this is very encouraging.

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

We support worldwide!

Hmmm, as I’ve previously stated, I’ll be going for Beyond ATC. I think that $30 a month is a bit much considering the amount of flying that I actually do, plus Beyond ATC offers control of AI aircraft which is the real biggy for me. I must admit though, you could have some fun with creating emergencies, like telling ATC that George the autopilot in the Airplane movie needs re inflating 😂

@tspryaviation

3 ай бұрын

His name was actually Otto🤣🤣🤣 glad to see I'm not the only one who loves that movie

@Axeman450

3 ай бұрын

Yes you are right, I forgot that. He was referred as George which is the general term for an autopilot. Nice to see I’m not the only one who likes to inject humour into serious subjects 😂😂😂 sorry Gavin 🤭

Too expensive for most flight simmers (me included).

Noticing you have FSLTL and absolutely no white tail planes. I have that also and have chosen to have no white tails. How do you obtain that? 😁👍

For me the biq thing is ai traffic for which I use FSLTL. If either of these can not handle FSLTL traffic it is a no go.

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

It does! As much as FSLTL traffic can be handled. In that case it means traffic advisories!

also spat out the altimeter in inches of mercury… in europe. it is meant to be in hectopascals

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

Yep, easy bug to fix! It knows better but still spits out mercury sometimes haha

@randomwaffler

3 ай бұрын

@@SayIntentionsAI hey it’s better than msfs which gives you inhg everywhere haha

Flight levels are not expressed in thousands of feet.(@5:26)

say intentions --- handed to next controller and then the next frequency says no one is listening ?????? what do you think please ?

Seems like this is going to be the next PC vs Mac battle. I'd consider subscribing once in a while. But for this price point, it's in far too early stages, with too many bugs and nowhere near enough voices.

grate vid. but way to expensive.even thoe i dont agree with the top up system of byound atc atleast you don't have to pay to top up/ monthly just a one off fee.

and Beyond ATC for the win...

@wingzbc

2 ай бұрын

How does something that isn't out "WIN" ? I was super excited for BATC but lets be real..... They pushed reset on the development already once.. Now they are planning to launch "sometime" without any of the functionality they restarted development for. They haven't even figured out what the source of their traffic will be. I don't think people will see a version of BATC we were "sold" half a year ago anytime this year.

@liortaylor5305

2 ай бұрын

@@wingzbc because $30 a month is simply not a realistic for most people. It might be a valuable tool for students learning to be real pilots (at which point i would go for PilotsEdge and practice taking to real ATC controllers). A one time affordable cost makes much more sense for people who fly the sim as a hobby like me, and from recent video demos it looks and sounds very promising. Either way, i personally would not pay $30/mon no matter how good the ATC sounds so the fact that beyond is able to provide an affordable solution makes is much better than the alternatives to me.

@wingzbc

2 ай бұрын

@@liortaylor5305 You didn't answer the question... How does something that is NOT OUT... win? For now it is vaporware.

Its interesting but the subscription model is just insanely expensive. The beyond atc model is much more sensible.

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

Yep, using dynamic AI plus high quality voices costs us A LOT! It would be way less using canned responses and scripted flights.

@bjovers1

3 ай бұрын

@@SayIntentionsAI I think you misunderstood. I'd rather pay for what I actually use, as batc is going for. When it comes to dynamic ATC Im sure gpt is way superior to a more scripted model and the price higher but as I said, I dont want to pay for everyone elses use. Just mine.

Just purchased Beyond ATC and right now it is useless. When it does connect to the sim, the ATC is aweful and wont route you to your waypoints etc... Im going to give Say Intentions a try with the free trial. Well worth $29 a month if it actually works correctly. Maybe use Say Intentions until BATC is usable.

FL18,000? Are they trying to send you to space?

Its awesome that it interprets what your saying and spits out non scripted answers but is it always going to let you do what you want if it isnt controlling anything else. For example why would it not let you deviate, it doesnt care about any other aircraft that might be in the way, or if you ask for a 'direct to', again, it has no reason not to let you as it isnt managing other aircraft and wont care if there's a conflict!

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

It absolutely will let you know if you are in the wrong airspace, not on the right heading, altitude, etc AND will also have a phone number to call if a pilot deviation is made! All that other stuff will come w. our injection system in a few months!

@bodkillinator

3 ай бұрын

@@SayIntentionsAI that's good to hear and is no doubt it would correct YOU, but my point was more that if you make a request it had no reason not to allow any deviations because it is not taking any traffic into account....yet

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

@@bodkillinator Yet 😉

Wait .. in the UK? I thought i read somewhere itonly works in the US areas?

@Easyjetsimpilot

3 ай бұрын

USA has full compatibility. Rest of World is 80%

@rolandk9860

3 ай бұрын

@@Easyjetsimpilot ah OK thank you!

SayIntentions seems to be a great addon, but it's not worth to pay $30 a month when I can pay the same amount for using beyondATC forever.

@wingzbc

2 ай бұрын

This is here and real. You can't pay for BATC or use it as of now...

is anyone here experiencing abnormally high cpu temps and usage since the recent fenix a320 patch??

@roballen2378

2 ай бұрын

Damn I'm late to seeing this, I had the same issue. they fixed it with recent update

As it doesn’t interact with any other traffic,i can’t see it has much use.

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

It will, soon! Full injection system coming.

Hell just found out they will have Kennedy Steve in it, seen it on their site, that could make it worth it just for Kennedy Steve.

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

He's already there!!

The problem I see with SayIntentionsAI is that they don't have the autotune feature and I also which they had a button feature to auto respond, like it exists in the MSFS ATC. Like an AI copilot to reduce workload when flying airliners. BeyondATC is coming out with these features, which I'd like to have. Also, SayIntentionsAI says that it doesn't plan to add those features.

@rzuffu

3 ай бұрын

why would you want an automatic controll of this? it does not make any sense.

@tonyevans2967

3 ай бұрын

They don't have autotune because it is a huge part of a real pilot's time and workload, as it is in vatsim also. Can you access Beyond ATC now? I would like to give it a go.

@enriqueosuna

3 ай бұрын

@@rzuffu When doing a long distance flight, I'd like the autotune and auto respond feature when changing frequencies between centers by my trusty AI copilot.

@enriqueosuna

3 ай бұрын

@@tonyevans2967 It is okay when flying VFR in General Aviation aircraft, but when following IFR with SIDs and STARs, I'd like a trusty pilot monitoring the frequencies to assist me. No, Beyond ATC is not available yet but I've watched their videos in KZread, and you can use it just like SayIntentionsAI, but with traffic injector or with Auto Respond and/or Auto Tune on.

@rzuffu

3 ай бұрын

@@enriqueosuna partially i get it but you seem like 1 in a 100000 that would want that. Most of us flight simmers strive to get as close to the real thing as possibile . I do get that second pilot is doing comms while you can rest, but lets be honest. You just want the flight not the knowlege and skill required to do that as it should be done.

Hi Gavin, thanks for the video as always. I'm experiencing msfs2020 freezes during flight! Can you please help? Thanks

Tested the other day, unfortunately the taxi instructions are always “taxi via A,B”. In your case it happened to have those taxiways , in my case not even closed. I contacted the developers via discord offering them the taxi network for all the airports I designed so far but it seems like the AI doesn’t work that way. Like you mentioned in the video they are working on coming up with a solution for the taxiways without having to add another subscription based program for the AI to read all taxiways. I know you have been selected to test Beyond ATC, can you reveal how the taxiways are working there?

It works in any aiport?

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

Yep! Over 88,000

124.475 is real freq

lol not getting this 😆 edit: I will add its super cool how the AI is responding to request though. it all sounds too robotic though so not for me. and they also need to get rid of that contact tower after pushback. Idk why they would even implement that right there. this overall is no where near release point in my opinion

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

It is in beta.

@umbreonpokemon8190

3 ай бұрын

beta/early access whatever marketing gimmick you want to call it. End of the day not worth it. @@SayIntentionsAI

What happens if you lie to it?

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

Well, it knows where you are so it will push back on where you should be and do as told. You’ll also get a phone number to call if you have a pilot deviation!

@ClevaTreva

3 ай бұрын

😦😉@@SayIntentionsAI

$29.95/mo for sayintentions it's VERY much. To add that (until now) it offers not very much.

yeah this is hard pass for me. no way I'm gonna pay 30 per month when BeyondATC exists. It also look way less streamlined.

BeyondATC>

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

We have full world-wide support for VFR (U.S., Europe, etc.) and 88,000+ airports You can speak to ATC in 9 languages. More coming. We have over 200 voices. We are completely AI. All server-side. Traffic injection and sequencing is in the works. We release new functionality pretty much daily. There are no menus or "canned scenarios". You speak to it naturally. We have multi-player support. You can pause, fast-forward, etc. Price will drop as the cost of AI services, like GPT-4, continues to fall. Those savings will be passed along. And yes.. IFR is mostly done, and we have zillions of people using it already. Nobody else does, or is even attempting to do what we do. And the best part is that this isn't hype or future promises. We are available NOW, which means you don't have to take our word for any of this. You can try it yourself, today, for free.

This will need some tweaking until it justifies the subscription price...

Good,but very expensive for such program! It should cost 30$-50$ for whole life!

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

Simply not feasible with the continued cost of providing dynamic AI and premium voices.

Why would anyone want to purchase this product when they can join Vatsim to have a live and realistic experience communicating with ATC and flying with other pilots on the network.

I'd wait and see if Microsoft can be bothered to put functional ATC into 2024, like they should have done for 2020. These aftermarket programs keep letting them off the hook. Fine if you want to buy it, but I paid for a 'flight simulator' in good faith. That's not what I got.

£30pm, lol.

29$ a month for a beta 😂😂😂

30 dollars a month is a piss take

$30 a month, lmao no thanks!

@SayIntentionsAI

2 ай бұрын

Cutting-edge AI tech costs! We’d love to pass on cost savings as AI costs lowet.

Sorry but nothing was even remotely accurate for Heathrow lol, not worth it

I tested this program and I am not satisfied. Unfortunately, there is no real interaction, e.g. when I make a mistake, I would like to hear "negative" and be reminded again of the part in which I made a mistake. SayIntesions seems very scripted and completely unrealistic. Additionally, the world is empty and the product is expensive. Beyond ATC is way better!!! Sayintensions is already archaic at the time of its release. It's a waste of time and money.

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

Quite the opposite. NOTHING is scripted! All dynamic. We DO have negative enforcement turned on for specific things like taking off and landing without landing clearance. It is patently fasle to say this archaic, and nothing has ever been attempted even close to this. We're not aware of any competitors using, or planning to use, AI for IFR or VFR as of right now. If you're talking about BATC, we don't see them as any more competition than we see P2atc, FSHUD or any other menu based ATC.

@imgroot7035

3 ай бұрын

@@SayIntentionsAI I made a few flights with sayintensions and I think it is not very realistic. The first and most important thing: the sky is empty. If your application does not support traffic, it is simply not modern. You mentioned P2ATC - after all, it is a previous era :D with an interface like from the 90s. Not to mention how often your program gets confused and doesn't recognize the callsign properly. Waste of money. To sum up, you offer an app from a lower category than BATC, less advanced, with a lower level of immersion... but for more money.. well... good luck XD

@SayIntentionsAI

3 ай бұрын

@@imgroot7035 traffic injection is coming soon! This product is still in BETA. Again, what you have said simply isnt true.

@wingzbc

2 ай бұрын

How can you say something is better if it isn;'t even released to the public?

@imgroot7035

2 ай бұрын

@@wingzbc Not true. It's already been released. Just visit their website.

Greed simple as that criminal what they are charging you might as well chat to gtp online when you fly on msfs as it controls nothing waste of money great money spinner lol

@SayIntentionsAI

2 ай бұрын

Go ahead and try that :) The AI stack we use is VERY expensive. We offer a free 24-hour trial if you want to converse with more than a chatbot!

VATSIM is free, IVAO is free, why would you spent your money on this ?

@flightsimfan89

3 ай бұрын

cause it is nice when you want to fly at night for example and there is no atc coverage.

@TruBluLew23

3 ай бұрын

Plus, some people like to practice without the added expectations of everyone around them with phraseology and such.

@Paradyski

3 ай бұрын

@@flightsimfan89good point

@Paradyski

3 ай бұрын

@@TruBluLew23good point

@Theonetotheleft

3 ай бұрын

This is the future. In a few years AI will be so good that we will have 100% atc coverage across the globe and AI will be indistinguishable from real people. No more Unicom.

Very inaccurate. I pass this one ;-)

$30/mo It is a joke.😂 pay for what? for text? is better to invest this money in VATSIM. For this money, I caN buy NAVIGRAP AND BEYOND ATC LOL

@SayIntentionsAI

2 ай бұрын

No, this is a complete voice to voice platform AI/LLM driven ATC solution for MSFS. Dynamic, real world ATC. Nothing else like it.

Good,but very expensive for such program! It should cost 30$-50$ for all life!