My son has aspergers and severe dyslexia. You don't realize how broken the school system is until you have a child with an LD. Dyslexia private school wouldn't accept him because of his autism. Asbergers school wouldn't accept him because of his dyslexia and the public school system..well..kinda hard to help a child when there isn't enough funding or trained staff. I didn't even know unschooling even existed until I watched a KZread family talk about it. It's very hidden, I find. I pulled my son out of the system in 2021, and it has been the best decision I have made for him. 😊

@aarone9000

9 ай бұрын

For me; Now 62 I (wish someone would have done that for me all those years ago! Good luck with your child in this increasingly authoritarian country! PS, Vote! Vote Blue!

@Steampunkkids

9 ай бұрын

@jberk7000 I pulled my kids out of public school in 2011. Both kids have Asperger’s (autism spectrum disorder now) and severe ADHD. My oldest just “graduated” from being unschooled since 2012 (when I finally gave up on “typical” American school system curriculum). Both kids have thrived so much from this experience. They learn at their own pace, at their interest level. It’s much harder to be an unschooling parents. Finding ways to get them the information and materials they need/ tutors is much more time intensive. But, it is totally worth it! Keep up the good work!

@braincuriosities

9 ай бұрын

@@Steampunkkids as someone with ADHD I definetely strive more when I am free to learn and explore than when i'm forced to learn by heart informatin that I will never use.. I still managed but unschooling can definitely be a big help to ND kids. But the challenge on parents can be greater as they often are ND as well

@maxbennett5412

9 ай бұрын

@@aarone9000 Funnily enough I think both right and left are starting to become more authoritarian overall. You have smaller factions in both sides that are far less so but of course they can't ever display it because they go against the main party. But unschooling in particular might be a good way to start educating people in common sense that would allow them to see through authoritarians on both sides. Though ideally there would not be a two sides but as many sides as possible.

@Ribberflavenous

9 ай бұрын

Special needs children usually can't be effectively taught in a mainstream environment, but that does not make the mainstream bad, or the child. The kids in the 60% bell area don't need that level of one-on-one and we as a society don't allot the funds to educate that way. There are programs for special needs but it sounds like even those failed you, and that should not have happened. Kudos that you made a way possible for your kid and I hope they make their way with fulfilment.

If it wasn't for bullies in the form of both fellow students and teachers I would of loved school.

@cubonefan3

5 ай бұрын

High school is just a microcosm of society. There are bullies both in school and out of school, so it’s better to learn how to deal with it young.

@justanothermortal1373

4 ай бұрын

​@cubonefan3 yeah but in school you come face to face with them every day to the point that they cause severe psychological trauma. And you can't even leave like you can leave a workplace.

@sheluvssmokedupeyes1

4 ай бұрын

Same

@sheluvssmokedupeyes1

4 ай бұрын

High school is the mini me of. The rest off society

@petes3011

12 күн бұрын

"have loved school"

School seriously messed up my brain. And now I am almost 50 and always worrying for anything and fear almost everybody.

@shandell279

9 ай бұрын

I'm embarrassed to say, I felt that. Smh, it can kill your imagination

@oneofakind9995

3 ай бұрын

Way younger but glad I'm starting ti careless about other opinions, u can be a firemen and people will somehow think your an arsonist. Life too farm approval.

@sweetcherry7759

2 ай бұрын

You should consider therapy- you probably have Anxiety (as so many people, sadly)

@mikeEnright-vz9lf

Ай бұрын

Then they succeeded in their plan. Only YOU can change that.

The beginning of this video is literally what most of high school felt like to me. I was homeschooled in 5th grade and because I was a fast learner I was able to finish my 6th grade schooling in the same year, so I was kind of unschooled for the next year. I used to go to a religious institute, for a few hours, and I learned the Quran there. My teachers were inspirational and I made a lot of great friends there. I also used to swim and ride my bike a lot. I would also like teaching my little brother, and I taught him how to read. I learned crochet as well. I was really interested in science so I used to read science books (that were not text books) and carried out different experiments. I loved to deconstruct electronics and make motors and robots out of them. However I eventually wanted to go back to school. I preformed well at school and was always at the top of my class, and when I told my teachers that I was homeschooled they would say, "it doesn't seem like it". They expected me to be dumb or something. I would then tell them that I learned more at home than school has ever taught me. There is so much that school doesn't teach you. In highschool i continued to be at the top of my grade, and also liked helping and teaching others. Unfortunately my teachers weren't the best. Sometimes I felt like jumping out of my seat and teaching the students physics, which is exactly what I did when the teacher left. We didn't do many fun things like projects and stuff. I especially hated how my school treated mental issues, bullying and student affairs. It wasn't until the pandemic that I realized I had been depressed and showing clear signs of it. Praise God I got out of that. It also took the pandemic for me to get rid of my toxic friend, who had been bullying me and eating at my self esteem. School didn't help me with any of that. It just added to my stress. Even though my academic performance was excellent, I never really liked school and it's system. I complained about it, so some teachers didn't like me. They liked the kids who would just shut up and conform. I can sit here all day and list away. Homeschooling is difficult too, but at least it's not a waste of time and potential. It also depends on what school you go to, what country you live in etc. But I still claim that most of what I know today and even my academic success is mostly because of what I learned in my homeschooling years.

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing !

@med-girl

8 ай бұрын

wow! 💙

@WeirdyKatz

8 ай бұрын

LOVE LEARNING AND EDUCATION - but I can't STAND the sociaism!! I believe when people learn to show more empathy and have more self awareness then perhaps we can entertain public school, but we are a long ways down from that road! Unschooling is also allllll the opportunities you WONT have! Like spending more time with family. As a grown up I WISH!! My mom had spent more time with her kids, it really makes me appreciate life all the more, and children don't have long!! Enjoy it, enjoy life through exploration, find the things YOU enjoy and you're well skilled at!!! So many wasted opportunities!!! Don't let that happen!! Life is soo precious!! ❤

@mikeEnright-vz9lf

Ай бұрын

too bad they made you waste your time with religion. All religion is a waste of time.

@isaiahwashington2065

Ай бұрын

There are probably thousands of homeschooliing stories like yours. Unfortunately society only confirms to 1 size fits all. Because of this attitude some children ( be damned) are left behind. And bulling sometimes is a matter of life and death. Most teachers and school administrators don't care.

The effectiveness is strongly connected to the intelligence, diligence and ability of the parents. Because real life requires us to do things we don't like, or don't want to do. The child will need to be pushed outside of their comfort zone, which creates problems and stresses with the child and the parents. And can be very easy for both sides get lazy and mostly get stuck.

@bernardkung7306

9 ай бұрын

Back around the late 1970s I learned about children who accompanied their parents on long sailing voyages, and thus "home schooled" -- and often effectively "unschooled" -- for two, three or more years. These kids were generally still expected (required) to complete some version of government-approved "remote learning" curriculum. (There was of course no Internet in those days, not that it would have been accessible on a thirty or forty foot sailboat even if there was.) The most interesting thing was that whether the parents were college professors or high-school drop-outs, the results were much the same -- when these children returned to the regular school system after an absence of years, they reliably proved to be ahead of their peers not only in social skills, practical skills, self-confidence and self-direction, but even academically.

@crptnite

9 ай бұрын

@@bernardkung7306 that's because back in those days, the 80s & 90s also and maybe even some areas still today, school was nothing more than a glorified daycare center. They didn't really teach us much of anything. i had a handful of awesome teachers along the way and i'm Eternally Grateful for them!!! But most had checked out before they had my mom in their classrooms, so they were beyond useless by the time i made it to their rosters 🤦🏽😔

@bernardkung7306

9 ай бұрын

@@crptnite Actually, I'm not American.

@lordikalex

9 ай бұрын

@@bernardkung7306source?

@roamingmompreneur792

7 ай бұрын

@@crptniteThis still happens today. Homeschooled kids tend to be ahead of schooled peers; they also average better scores in the SAT and have a higher rate of acceptance into Ivy leave colleges. Today in 2023.

I was Homeschooled and I'm grateful for the sacrifices my parents took to accomplish that.

The image of parents lounging around drinking cocktails as the kid goes to school (3:30) is a hell of a choice in depiction.

@roamingmompreneur792

7 ай бұрын

It’s pretty much how it feels like if you’ve done both. I had a lot of time to do things when kids were in school; I could take breaks, read, go to the gym, even get a massage once in a while. Now that we homeschool, I’m with them all day and everything else takes a back seat. But we’re all much happier now that we do everything together and feel more connected to each other; plus we get to have slow mornings and slow evenings without the school rush hour.

@thestoryteller2014

4 ай бұрын

It's ridiculous. This whole video is one huge advertisement for homeschool parents sponsor Sprouts Animations. It's beyond silly. Most parents are nowhere near fit to teach anyone anything.

@tiagodecastro2929

Ай бұрын

​@@thestoryteller2014It does make sense to question the interest that Sprouts has in promoting homeschooling. But where a lot of people point to the certification argument (teachers are certified and parents are not, therefore parents shouldn't homeschool and homeschooling is bad) I would point to the statistics. Homeschooled kids tend to score, depending on what study you look at, 15 to 25 points higher on average than kids who went to public schools, score higher on the SAT and ACT exams, tend to have higher income, and a much higher percentage of homeschooled kids do volunteer work, voluntary community service, and attend public meetings such as open school board meetings. Granted, the studies themselves disclaim that they have yet to determine whether it's because of homeschooling or demographics (homeschooled children as a group tends to be comprised of middle to upper class individuals, whereas lower class/poorer people tend to just go to public school), but there's at least a correlation between homeschooling and academic success. (And before anyone counters with the ever famous "correlation does not equal causation," yes, that's true, but correlation can still be indicative of a trend or other relationship which warrants investigation)

@butterfliesinsidemj

24 күн бұрын

​@@thestoryteller2014You have clearly not payed attention.

The main problem with the school's teaching methods are that they are suitable for a thinkless industrial line of work (as demonstrated in Charlie Chaplin's Modern Times), which was fine a few decades ago. But now that many jobs nowadays required more creative thinking and problem-solving, having schools using the same methods for centuries - is very damaging to the kid's future!

@bustfree6812

Ай бұрын

the school system is designed to turn children into unquestioning laborers for the rich

Some parents who unschool do that for unsavory reasons, like keeping children ignorant so they don't question religious indoctrination. As much as school should be modernized, protecting children from ignorance should be a big concern.

@fakhourikakeesh5527

9 ай бұрын

I think kids by nature are inquisitive enough to overcome this though i do agree with your point to some extent children will challenge their parents beliefs and I think a strong family unit is a much better prospect than state induced propaganda which can also leave children ignorant

@tsuba666

9 ай бұрын

@@fakhourikakeesh5527 "a strong family unit" you are not from an abusive family, are you ? Good for you, but many children are in an abusive family system, and as @vukkulvar9769 so rightfully stated, being kept shut away in their family with absolutly no way of educating themselves in the worst case scenario. Yes, school must be corrected on some aspects, but it's a wonderful chance for many children to learn and be able to do what they want later, and it also makes sure children are in contact with other adults who can raise the alarm if need be. Modern school system was put in place to make sure every child has an access to education and was checked upon regularly. Homeschooling is the answer to children with special needs who realy can't go to school. Unschooling is the worst idea ever, it can only lead to ignorance for children and free rein for abusers.

@HadassaMoon144

9 ай бұрын

As a teacher, I've found that having the children in school also allows adults an extra eye to catch abuse. I worked at an elementary school for some years and it was depressing the number of pregnancies we discovered. Usually the father was a family member and the abuse had been ongoing for years. Simply horrible. We also fed children and sent home food, clothes and washed clothes for children, supplied school supplies, laptops and internet access. We also had free dental, physical and eye checkups and supplied hearing aids and glasses. Public schools may not be so great, but many have resources that can save a life.

@fakhourikakeesh5527

9 ай бұрын

@@HadassaMoon144 I love the humanity that you have, a really good point that a school can offer more than just education though this starts to fall into societal issues rather than educational which is not an easy problem to fix with our current political system

@mikeEnright-vz9lf

Ай бұрын

or to avoid the woke ideology garbage.

I think that public schools needs to be fixed and take some advice from undchooling.

@pisces031372aj

9 ай бұрын

This I totally agree with. In America we need traditional schooling and outside and hands on skills.

@Tootiefrootietortalini2001

9 ай бұрын

@@pisces031372aj exactly. Just like America(and other continents) needed a balance of both organic and industrial agroculture/farming. We both need a balance between tradition and modernity.

My step mum home edcuated my little brother, since he was clearly falling behind and noone understood him. Pictures of him catching up on work while everyone else is having fun together.

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

How is he now?

@purpledanielgamer8603

9 ай бұрын

@@sprouts hes doing slightly better now, ofc he has his strengths (like straight up climbing walls) and his weaknesses. But they want to wean him into p2 soon.

@varflock9777

9 ай бұрын

Good luck.

It is a hard subject to tackle. There are some subjects that kind of need a school setting to learn and some that everyone should learn, but the modern schools are burning out kids very quickly with a lot of stuff that might not really be necessary for the masses (points at calculus 2 in high school). But I think unschooling can run into issues of while some subjects have vast depth to the individual other subjects may never be brought up until it might be an age they don’t want to learn or might have been taught wrong and don’t want to change their way of thinking on it. Besides I’ve met enough parents that would use unschooling as an excuse to make their child into a servant.

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

Yes. It’s complimentary!

@thesciencelounge

9 ай бұрын

​@sprouts then you should have led with this in the first place. Education is not just an elite system reproducing itself. Too many people around the world despite having had it are still ignorant to what it is and how it could enhance all our lives. If you've ever taught, you'll understand the saying, 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.' There's so much knowledge and skills to be learnt, yet so few people actually utilising it.

@roamingmompreneur792

7 ай бұрын

@@thescienceloungeIt is not complimentary. Unschooled children can succeed as much (if not more) than schooled peers. How much of what you learned in school actually stuck with you? Adults have to relearn things in adulthood, if they ever get to use anything they learned in school. Unschooled kids learn how to learn instead of being spoon fed information. They are equipped to learn anything at the moment they need it.

I agree that parents should have the ultimate responsibility for the education of their children BUT subjects like algebra must be taught even though it has very has little use in most people’s lives, it teaches logic and problem solving that and most people don’t realize they actually do use it.

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

Good point!

@Lord_Agwen

9 ай бұрын

As someone who was unschooled, I and everyone else I know who is unschooled was taught certain required subjects (like algebra) because it’s required by the state. For me, unschooling was a great experience and I’m glad my parents did it I start my first year of a good mechanical engineering college this Monday, and I doubt I would have found a love for this occupation/activity if I wasn’t raised the way I was 😊

@Omega0850

9 ай бұрын

Parents are not always ultimatly interested in the well beeing of their children. And far more often than that, they are not always wise enough to determine what their children will need, or able to teach them by themself. I am a kindergarden teacher, so i am pretty convinced of the "children learn by themself through experience"-concept... but it has its limits. There are subjects like basic math and grammar which to many children are not at all interesting, and would be ignored, if the children would make that choice. We basically have to force children to learn it, because without it, their options in life will be very limited. School definitly is not the best thinkable solution for our children, its just an affordable one. One teacher for 20-30 children is doable. One teacher for 5 children would be better, but incredibly expensive. But there are many subjects which are best learned with supervision of someone who knows how human beeings learn things. (usually the more complex ones) You cannot learn them via experience, and you cannot learn them as well by just reading a book, without someone who could answer questions about the subject. So yes, you can get a functioning and probably mentally much more independent adult if you take your child out of school and let it just learn what and when it wants... but don´t expect your child to later make their living with a job that requires any deeper knowledge of a subject. It may still happen, you may have a rare child that manages to teach itself, but the vast majority won´t, and be forced to do manual labour for the rest of their lifes.

@forpcb

9 ай бұрын

​@@Omega0850 🎯👍

@bvoyelr

9 ай бұрын

@@Omega0850 "Parents aren't always interested in the well being of their children" - neither are teachers, and I'd bet that more teachers are disinterested than parents. "Don't expect your child to make their living with a job that requires any deeper knowledge of a subject." - Primary school doesn't prepare kids for most jobs. Like, at all. All it really does is teach them something of a work and study ethic. Which is valuable, mind you, but you don't need a 12 year foundation to get even into STEM fields. And when you're talking about blue collar work, many schools have systematically eliminated those fields of study - agriculture, home ec, shop, etc. Again, not that a long term foundation in those fields is required. Put a 14 year old in an apprenticeship electrician position and he'll be ready to go by the time he's 18. I definitely think there's a place for schools -- particularly those not burdened by the ennui of public schools (that is, schools that don't rubber stamp their kids), but we definitely need to popularize other options.

I think it's good that schools are there for those parents who either don't have the knowledge, time or discipline to give their kids an education of their own, but with the horror stories coming from schools I can completely understand why some parents are choosing to reject the system, which is in a deep need of reform. Teaching a child yourself does require self-discipline, passion and is a big time investment, so it 's not practical for everyone to do.

@forpcb

9 ай бұрын

👏

@DampeS8N

9 ай бұрын

I'd argue our schools are doing exactly what they were designed to do.

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

Very well said!

@newmamaful

8 ай бұрын

@@DampeS8N John Taylor Gatto would agree.

@sheluvssmokedupeyes1

4 ай бұрын

With what indoctrinating your kids half of the kids in eighth ninth and 10th grade are reading on a fourth grade reading level a second grade reading level of first grade reading level is even some of them are reading on a kindergarten reading level they’re talking about children going all the way up through college and not being able to readbecause the schools are just passing them through. What are you guys talking about? Do you have children?

This is so refreshing. I agree with unschooling 100%. I never knew there was a name for this until just now when I saw this video. I always had issues with traditional schooling. I HATED my school years, finding it to be mostly boring, stultifying and sometimes terrifying. (I grew up in the 1980s). The powers that be dictated what I should learn and when. Things I wanted to know more about were kept out of my reach, like physics, because I was an "arts" student. Questioning things was often frowned upon. I am a deep thinker and I LOVED to question and argue about many different things. It seems to me learning should be spontaneous and aligned with a person's natural interests no matter how diverse they are. All questions should be met with open answers and encouragement to seek answers from many different sources. Not shrugged off and children made to feel wrong for wanting to know things or disagreeing with the "master" position. Gosh I need to know more about this unschooling. Decades too late for me, but if I can be of use to others in this regard, sign me up.

I have started unschooling this year with my son. We've been having such a great time that my son asked me when we were going to start homeschool. We have visited museums, watched documentaries, read books, camped, cooked, we have even gone out to collect garbage in a local forest. I wish my parent did that with me when I was little.

@cubonefan3

5 ай бұрын

I hope you’re teaching your kid how to read and do math too

“If School didn’t exist, everyone would be smarter and we would have more genius kids” 😂

@derwoodhamburger

9 ай бұрын

It's true. Schools are indoctrination centres

@andrewalderman9489

9 ай бұрын

Doubt it; we would have people under skilled and not able to participate in the workplace and also not understand civics well enough to be good citizens.

@roamingmompreneur792

7 ай бұрын

@@andrewalderman9489Curiously, there were more skilled people, philosophers, inventors, geniuses, when school was not the norm.

@andrewalderman9489

7 ай бұрын

@@roamingmompreneur792 proof ?

@roamingmompreneur792

7 ай бұрын

@@andrewalderman9489 Don’t you know any history?

I am working in IT and most things I learned, I didn't learn from schools, I learned them through gaming, home projects and the old way of trail and error. That's the story for also most other people in IT. Because IT grows and shifts extremely fast you can't learn in the way schools to it.

@borysnijinski331

9 ай бұрын

It is telling that you use “threw” and “trail and error” instead of “through” and trial and error”.

@Jan12700

9 ай бұрын

@@borysnijinski331 Thanks for noticing that English is my 2. language.

I have one son with severe adhd and twin boys with sensory processing disorders, and one also has dyslexia. They were struggling in school socially and academically. They were becoming behavior children and being left behind in the public school setting. I found a good balance for them thru the state offered k12 digital learning school (for free). It allows them to get both schooled and unschooled simultaneously. My one son with dyslexia could barely read more than a 3 letter word at the age of 10. He can now read chapter books. By taking them out of the traditional setting that was overwhelming them, they started to thrive. They have certain classes they attend with traditional teachers and are still meeting state required schooling in a non-traditional setting. My oldest is also taking dual college credit courses as a sophomore. This option will allow them to graduate with a high-school diploma in a way that works for them.

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

Wonderful. Great that there is that middle way that seem to work well for your kids.

@user-pu9xo2xu9v

Ай бұрын

What curriculum do you recommend for a 10 year old with dyslexia?

In an ideal scenario, this sounds wonderful. But we do not live in an ideal world. Sadly, many parents do not have the resources to "successfully" unschool, particularly in the USA. A few out of many negatives: -- Safety: Mental health in the US is very undervalued. A unschooled child would not have the safety buffer of teachers that are mandated reporters. Whether its the child or the parent suffering, no one may know/care. -- Financial: In many families, both parents must work. They may not have the financial resources to hire a tutor. We witnessed in COVID that many parents struggled with hybrid learning. And hybrid had actual teachers teaching. -- Energy: See previous point. A parent might start off enthusiastic about unschooling. But without the "village" supporting them, a parent would need strong motivation to prevent out right failing their child

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

Great points! It's unfortunately often a choice only well-off families can afford.

@juancedeno2220

8 ай бұрын

The video appears to have good intentions, but it is highly misleading. Firstly, it begins with the analogy of someone working for free, implying that education is an endevour where children work for free. However, it's important to note that every taxpayer, directly or indirectly, contributes to the education system, ensuring that all children have access to education. Secondly, the video portrays a schooling system that does not accurately reflect the advancements that have been made in education. While there are still areas of concern, such as standardized testing, it is crucial to recognize that compulsory education has played a significant role in achieving high literacy rates. Therefore, while the system may not be perfect, it is certainly not the malicious entity depicted in the video. Lastly, if individuals have personal dissatisfaction with the educational system, it is essential to provide feasible solutions rather than relying solely on criticism. Merely expressing discontent without offering constructive ideas is ultimately futile. We are all eager to hear potential solutions that could genuinely improve the system. If you don't have a viable solution, it may be more productive to refrain from engaging in criticism that lacks substance.

@sprouts

8 ай бұрын

thank you for your insightful thoughts. @@juancedeno2220

@StarlightNkyra

8 ай бұрын

At the same time, School doesn't do much better at mental health, and usally makes it a whole LOT worse, with bullying, standardized testing, lack of being taught how to learn well (enaging), hence feeling like a faliure, social anxiety, etc. Not to mention, they're even less likely to being open to teachers than parents in the first place about mental problems, as school actively discourages bringing it up, besides mabye an unconiving speech from the guidance consular, probably before the problems school would be concerned about even show up. (This isn't even without mentioning crappy guidance consulars, like I had some serious mental depression and outrage in school, and the guidance consular would actively yell at me ALL the time, and just essentially yelled at me like a gorilla to stop feeling emotions, like that made me feel any better.) As for the financial aspect, that's a good point. A lot of parents can't afford tutors or good curriculums for their child. But let's just take a step back. Do we all really need to know everything we learn in school? The stuff that does need to be learnt can be pretty easily taught, and passions could be custom tailored to the family, if they so wish. Nonetheless, this is a good point, and for many poorer families school provides a good education (just taught in a horrible way, but we as a society could work on that) and more importantly a good social setting/environment. As for your last point about energy, you're thinking about unschooling like a regular and modern education. If parents could teach subjects they are passionate about, along with the kid learning subjects they are passionate about, the best forms of teaching and learning can come out of both the child and parent, without the arbitrary need for a grade. Not to mention, they could just give the education a lot of breaks and let children live a childhood, where they will be teaching skills that will be important to their own lives to themselves. (Like a sports kid will become super honed in on the sport, which is going to play a big part in their life precisely because they love the sport. If somone is watching TV, they have potential to become pretty adept in a lot of different areas and gain a pretty generalized view of the world around them, or it could be mote specialized, like a talent for making cartoons or a very great political understanding, depending on what they watch.) Counter me, yeah there are plenty of flaws in some of my cases, and I recognize that. but I'll still belive this doesn't have many cons you can point out (besides making everyone a bit more different, if that even is a con, the financial reasons, the fact that a lot of parents don't exactly make the bedt teachers, and making our education less unified. I'd love to hear more cons, not to argue, but because my perspective is a very unique one, to say the least, full of a childhood where I had bad disabilites without anyone knowing, was heavily bullied in school, barely recall anything from it because it was being taught in a way where I didn't understand it at all, that I was legit better learning the subject by myself, would actively make myself vomit to be sent home, and liked to make friends with teachers as a coping mechanism so school didn't become the baine of my existence. I would love to understand more commom, or equally as unique views of the education system and world.)

@sprouts

8 ай бұрын

"would actively make myself vomit to be sent home".... That says alot.@@StarlightNkyra

The one thing I fear is neglectful parents. This is great for kids if the parents have the time, patients, and care to teach their kids to adapt and thrive in society and to discover their interest and persue it. But what if the parents just arent there? Not exclusively to abusive parents, but to those that simply dont have time to put the effort in... Say, a single mother who had to put food on the table, or even a mother and father who has to work full shifts to keep a roof over head. The kids that are born to such households might be behind or lacking in necessary skills, such as reading and math. Worse yet, some of these parents persue in a field of crime (drug making/smuggling, prostitution), and having that child stuck in said environment might rob them of a civilized and stable life, or worse yet, inherit their parents crimes. Ideally, this is where an outside force needs to step up and take up the slack. In this case, an institution that runs on tax payer dollars that can provide oppotunities to not just kids with abusive/neglectful parents, but to all that wants to participate. Plenty of kids benefited from public education, especially to those with broken back grounds. Now, thats not to say that public education is a definite solution, or even benevolent. If that system is broken, not giving the child basic skills like reading and math, then all its doing is becoming a leash to the rest of the population. Worse yet, if unsavory characters get into position of authority, they can aim to mold the kids into their liking (germany), or persue an agenda such as lining the kids up to a certain political party.

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

Excellent points!

I’m stuck in the American public schooling system right now; I always find it aggravating whenever I see what we could do better. My grades are quite good, I am obedient, and I do practically all that’s asked of me, yet I never feel like I’ve really learned anything. It annoys me that an ideal education is apparently to beat a student into compliance or, more recently, to evaluate them with arbitrary numbers on arbitrary topics. Cycles of overwhelming stress and sleeplessness usually marked my previous grades. It was near impossible to do something enriching that I enjoyed without compromising a portion of my grade. Most of all, I felt like I was prioritizing something intrinsically useless over my health and well-being. I desperately wanted to express my artistry, creativity, and inventiveness in some form, but I lacked the necessary outlets while striving for academic success. As someone who participates in the modern school system, I can say it is mostly useless for the modern world. Still, there are fundamental things that need coverage to avoid public ignorance. The U.S. is facing an education crisis existing since its education system’s creation. There is a lack of geographical coverage and the curriculum is obsolete if not devolving. Politicians with less than selfless motives choose ignorance and compliance over general welfare. Still, several masses have poor conceptions of essential subjects like evolution, human caused climate change, and even literacy. Truthfully, I don’t know how much the state or parents should micromanage education. Then again, who is any one person to decide what’s best for another? Maybe an ideal system a balance between the parent and state involvement, or maybe we need to include educators, academics, and students into the discussion.

@deboraoliveira9004

8 ай бұрын

Sorte sua, pois no Brasil ainda temos crianças que trabalham na infância, estão fora da escola e não sabem nem ler. Veja por outro lado.

@Mr.Goodkat

7 ай бұрын

The school (and home) condition all of us to have less respect for the young and their voices/views than the old, despite the fact the old tend to be more entrenched in their ways, bias and have lived longer in a damaging environment which conditions them to think and act a certain way, student's voices should be first and foremost as nobody knows more about your mental health than you and you are the one who should be served. The schooling system since the 1860's has not had anything to do with education, (please read my comment above I mention it a little bit there too) the creators of it explicitly said it was to "defang" the populace, decrease the chances of revolution against government, train obedience and subservience to authority and create docile worker's for their new factories who'll accept lot's of menial boring work for little pay, learn to compete against one another, not make mistakes (even though mistakes are good school conditions us like pavlovian dogs away from them) and this isn't a complete list sadly. The further one gets away from this model the greater their mental health, well being and performance across the board in literacy, math and everything else gets, this is why homeschoolers who reject this model public schooling has adopted out perform schooler's on all of the above, report higher levels of happiness and remember more of everything too and why unschoolers (because they're even further from the damaging "prussian" schooling model) outperform them and are happier, people learned for thousands and thousands of years before the invention of this and countless people today still do, we don't need something had nothing to do with education to educate us. One of the worst things this model has conditioned/fooled everyone into believing is that education is some desperately needed thing which must be ""enforced" and is only okay to enforce on minors (but anyone else it's disrespectful or immoral) despite the fact nobody has a stronger innate learning drive than children, learns faster, is more open to it and the ignorance of them (unlike with adults) doesn't jeopardise the world, think voting in politicians constantly who everyone hates and could nuke the world, how close we've come to this disaster and how adult ignorance has already caused countless disasters including countless genocides and you realise how much more severely important it is that these people with the power know what they're doing, yet we still object to forcing them to know, if it's not mandatory to educate people with that power to make sure they use it wisely it shouldn't be anyone else. Dr. Peter Gray among other's talk extensively about the harms of coercive/compulsory schooling in various books and articles, please google them and never support it.

I did learn something at school, I can't remember what it was now. Looking back, not only was it a complete waste of that part of my life, it also caused mental damage that I still live with now (52yo). Very damaging experience, definitely ruined my life.

@borysnijinski331

9 ай бұрын

I get to be an engineer because of schooling.

@ilovesmyboos

9 ай бұрын

I agree with you. It's damaged me mentally (though I'm only 29) & was a waste of my time considering I don't remember anything from it except all the trauma. I've been trying to take college classes for 11 years now to get a better chance at my dream job, but it's so hard when all I'm doing is reliving all the bad parts from elementary thru high school

@roamingmompreneur792

7 ай бұрын

@@borysnijinski331Who told you that unschoolers don’t become engineers, too? Unschooling is about learning how to learn and explore your interests. The child can take it as far as he/she wants, and that includes preparing for and going to college if that aligns with personal goals.

@Mr.Goodkat

7 ай бұрын

@@borysnijinski331 You get to be an engineer because of engineering classes down outside of school, when we say "school" we're talking about all the compulsory stuff not things like medical school or law school or engineering, yes they accept applicant's because of things done in prior school but it's not because of things you learned in prior school you could do engineering, it was all irrelevant to it and didn't actually make you qualified for it. Also worth nothing it doesn't invalidate or even counteract the gentlemen's account you're referring to in which he asserts it ruined his life, people's lives being ruined wouldn't be okay because we wanted to be engineers, if we want to be that we can pursue it and will even have much more time to do so without schooling in our way and that guys life can also go unruined (and millions of other's) it's a win for everyone.

This is a major failure of modern public education unfortunately and I say that as a high school teacher of 15 years. This happened for reasons not usually discussed, definitely not in this video, which involved trying to run the education system like a business where students are numbers. The view the public education system is stuck in the past or held back by interest groups is wrong as the problem is much more difficult to deal with because it goes against the Capitalist Mentality of many Americans and this channel. Schools changed to meet the needs of their customer, which were never students in this set-up, but politicians and bureaucrats.

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! And yes, allocating resources (public or private) are another dimension that ads to the problem.

@chrishendricks7362

9 ай бұрын

@@sprouts I do really appreciate and respect what y'all do even if my response might seem critical. I use your content in my advanced Psychology and Sociology classes in a Florida Title I High School. This issue always fires me up but keep up the great work!

@Ribberflavenous

9 ай бұрын

Amen @chrishendricks7362. I have 2 daughters that are teachers. One bolted the first year, the other finally called it quits after 12 years. The expectation seems to have shifted from teaching the children to raising the children, but their sweet angels are never wrong and Karen Mom makes life hell for those that try to bring the brats to a behavior that will not detract from the whole oversized class. In most industries you get more pay in hazardous environments, but the opposite applies for the teachers caught between parents with unrealistic expectations, students with poor social skills and a school board that punishes those that care. The surviving teachers are for the most part automatons because they have been beaten down and get through the day by shutting off emotionally. Who in their right mind wants be a teacher now? If you have a retention/recruitment problem, it is certainly not the workers that created it.

@SethHirschman

9 ай бұрын

@@sprouts Where was ANY of this nuance in your video? Take this garbage down - You're supposed to be an educational channel, not a rightwing apologist.

@braincuriosities

9 ай бұрын

@@SethHirschman why rightwing apologist? that seems like a leap

Hi. I removed my 2 kids from school a month ago. Too early to know if I made a right decision, but... My son (he's 10) is autistic, has learning difficulties and was simply neglected in class (he still cannot read even). The class bully made him a target everyday (the school just ignored it) and he was totally miserable. My daughter (she's 7) had a horrendous year 2 with a teacher and classroom assistant who both just didn't care (except about trying to get a rise in pay). Enough was enough. So now they get up in the morning ready and rearing to do learning (not schooling). And they can learn in their own time, at their own pace, in the comfort and safety of their own home. Leaving aside maths, reading and writing (which we do every morning for an hour), they can learn about anything they want, and that interests them. My son wants to be an engineer when he's older, and my daughter is interested in design. The school system is not going to nurture or encourage those interests. The school is only interested in ticking boxes, securing enough funding for champagne for their staff xmas do, and smiling and looking pretty for ofsted (so that they can hang a nice little award in the reception foyer). Children deserve to learn. So they can join the world and grow in their uniqueness (if that's even a word). School moulds children to take exams and become a sheep of society. Maybe I did make a good decision after all. Time will tell.

@sprouts

6 ай бұрын

All the best of luck! I suggest to look for a community of likeminded parents to share insights and help create the right routines for your children to prosper in their journey.

School was a dampener to my spirit!

@andrewalderman9489

9 ай бұрын

It can be, because of a lack of resources, we are not always able to pursue a child's interests due to the reality of time restraints. (or the fact that the teacher may be tied down trying to deal with an out of control student .

So happy you’ve posted such a clear and simple explanation to today’s people realising the thing about schools !!!! Just brilliant!

I can see how unschooling could also help with making sure that your child isn't forced to conform to a specific set of political views (which seems to be getting more and more common to the point of grading the kid's well written essays poorly because the teacher has a different opinion). There's still more downsides to that in my opinion though: - In schools the curriculums are not optimally adjusted to everyone's skills, but still everyone's (hopefully) being taught by actual professionals, not parents who may not have enough knowledge. It's possible to hire tutors, but that means raising the costs of teaching and makes the whole unschooling more school-like. - Grading may me stressful, but it's actually a reasonable way of assessing students' skills. - If this practice becomes too popular, we'll simply get lots of illiterate people not taught properly because not all parents who'd try it would be actually capable of educating their children in other ways. Instead of unschooling, we should improve the schools. Let's make sure the teachers are not trying to use their power for political indoctrination (I still remember my high-school teacher talking bad about a specific politician during the class despite the subject having nothing to do with it. Or my university math teacher talking more about how he hates a specific political party than about math) and that they're actually knowledgable about new technologies (my high school IT teacher literally taught me about a very old HTML version and TurboPascal which was already no longer used for many many years. It's still better than my middle school IT teacher who knew less about the subject than many of her students). Let's fix the subjects where the teachers don't do much at all like my old art classes where we weren't really taught how to draw or paint and were simply given supplies and told to paint something. Or the PE classes where the teacher gives the group of students a ball, tells them to play soccer and then doesn't even pay attention to what they're doing.

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🏢 School system resembles corporate culture with meetings and instructions. 00:59 📚 Modern schooling influenced by Frederick the Great, aimed at unification and literacy. 01:31 🌍 Global adoption of state-controlled compulsory education. 02:34 📖 Unschooling: Learning outside traditional classrooms, through life experiences. 03:37 🧠 Reasons for unschooling: Parent-child relationship, individualized learning, autonomy. 04:43 🎒 Unschoolers explore diverse interests, ask 'why learn', go deeper than schools. 05:15 📝 Traditional schooling's impact on anxiety, conformity, and learning strategies. 05:58 💬 Exploring perspectives on unschooling, state vs. parental control over education. Made with HARPA AI

When a child doesn't do well in school, the go-to explanation is that the child is unfit for the school, and not that the school is unfit for the child. Meanwhile when a child does do well in school, the go-to explanation is that the school is providing well for the child, and not that the child is providing well for itself.

"The child himself is the curriculum." ~ Rudolf Steiner "Many highly schooled people are uneducated, and many highly educated people are unschooled." ~ Milton Friedman

Maybe to find a common ground of the subjects that are basic for children in every stage of their development, this idea is interesting since it creates the space of including "subjects" and concepts that we, as adults were not aware existed and once needed for day to day life. I think is worth to give a try in paralel with traditional education, we can then compare results and efectivity

The concept of unschooling sounds a bit too delusional on a big scale. It requires a family that genuinely wants the best for the children with plenty of time, money, and resources to apply all the goals mentioned. In reality, families often consider that kids only deserve what's more convenient for parents. So they can still grow up without critical thinking and open-mindedness if that's what the parents set them to be. High-quality schools can focus on kids' individuality, creativity, and curiosity while offering the students access to knowledge from specialized teachers and the opportunity to share an environment with different people.

Well done. A condensed video explaining how to learn best.

Homeschooling, sure. Unschooling sounds like unstructured learning. I expect it would do a poor job of preparing children for living in society.

@SethHirschman

9 ай бұрын

It does. Sprouts is below "loving" transphobic comments, so this video is not about education. It's about their owner's crybaby political ax to grind.

It's basically torture. Kids wouldn't react to summer vacation the way they did if school was even bearable.

I think it can be a great choice for a motivated parent that gets proper curriculum and can teach. It’s truly a gift or one has been educated on how to teach! In my experience as an educator, most students that come in after being homeschooled for a few years, are extremely behind academically. Many also do not have social skills that their peers do.

When I got out of school is when I started learning!

@renegroulx7029

9 ай бұрын

that is the problem. everybody stops learning in school by age 7. they become literate. then the next 10 years is basically all fluff.

It's telling that the listed key reasons for unschooling are what teachers are being taught to take into account and design their classes around. As in, take the students' interests into account, let them solve problems by themselves etc.

@roamingmompreneur792

7 ай бұрын

Do teachers really do that? It’s not possible with their schedules and number of students. Every student is different.

@Densuii

7 ай бұрын

@@roamingmompreneur792 Well, ideally they do. Realistically, it's often not possible, as you said. So it's mostly not even the teachers' fault, but the education system's.

Nice idea but only in an ideal world: If your parents work long hours, earn just enough to get by, and you stay at home with brother(s) and / or sister(s),you don‘t have many books but a TV, a smartphone, a computer - and the world outside is a big city, where there isn‘t a community that teaches you anything worthwhile, apart from shopping maybe, unschooling is neglect. It leads to injustice, poverty for many more, and a few wonderfully creative and well/self-educated people, who have never met the poor, who lost in the DNA lottery.

it may just be me and my school but i dont mind school that much, it can be fun (especially mythology and engineer and design class but it does have its downs like homework, science, math, and history) and the people there are nice and what make it fun so i guess its more about finding the right balance and the right school

Unschoolers learn useful information that will help them in the real world. They are emotionally mature, develop communication skills and have a healthy relationship with others. Through homeschooling we learn: the difference between right and wrong, to discover and have faith in themselves, to manage into the real world, that it's normal to make mistakes, that nothing is easy, that nothing is obtained easily, intelligent hard work pays off, to be patient and productive, to establish realistic goals and pursue them, to cultivate their talents, skills and abilities, how to control their emotions, self-discipline, self-love, self-respect, to not be people pleasers, to organize their schedule for the day, to respect traditions, real culture and values, that things can be done if they put their mind into it, to live every moment, to cherish life at every age etc. We also get a chance to spend more time with our family and loved ones, and according to Gatto, we are safe. We don't have to worry what some strangers think of us, or that we'll be bullied the moment we go outside.

I homeschooled my daughter for 3 years from 0-3 never took her to nursery. She learnt so much and her confidence was built at home before I knew she was ready for school. She settled very well in school and the teachers were surprised she kept bringing new words and vocabularies. At age 5 her words are amazing, she can put words together very well and loves reading too. I saw the positive sides of homeschooling from 0-3yrs and when my son was born I did same and by 12months he started talking and age 2 he has a mouth full of words and speaks clearly. I made it my mission to read to my children at an early age as its good for brain development especially if you are trying to get the ready for the outside world and school. My son is starting school next year and his vocabularies are so good that he goes into his sisters room and gets a book for himself to read. I am a single mom raising 2 kids and its the hardest job in the world but seeing how my kids love reading and school makes me proud. 😊

@MiriamNezuko

Ай бұрын

you are so strong,most parents dont care about their children education,and they get up throwing them to school without knowing anything.

I was always a very successful "student" but I felt this way about school from kindergarten forth and my degrees were completed in the 20th Century.

I think there is more than to not conforming to teachers ideas than just unschooling kids.I for example have always been in school and have even loved going to school (I loved studying) but during high school I was in a lot of disagreements with some of the teachers about certain subjects.I think it has a lot more to do with upbringing than it has to do with school itself

@Mr.Goodkat

7 ай бұрын

Well for everyone of you, there is a massive amount of others who hate it and even many, many people take their lives because of it, we are adoptable creatures and some of us can find we enjoy things which harm others, all the wives in the past experienced sexism (and still today in middle east) will tell you they love their state too and have found happiness in it and even justify it for all the other wives too, this can be found with any culturally normalised attitude we condemn there's always some are okay with it.

Very accurate episode. The saying "the way the hammer shapes the hand" comes to mind. Adopting corporate or military methods for teaching guts the humanity out of our children.

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

I like that quote. Never heard it before.

@brionhausgeld2415

9 ай бұрын

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Sadly many parents use this idea to neglect their kids or keep their kids at home only to do chores w no actual education going on at all.

Congratulations, Sprouts

The most stuff, I learned, was outside of school. Mostly try and error.

@andrewalderman9489

9 ай бұрын

Some skills have to be formally taught, learning to speak English, or another language is not suited for trial and error. but your point is valid in many other cases.

@sophiepooks2174

7 күн бұрын

* Trial.

Unschooling is just like the old GURUKUL system in ancient India, its one of the best way to educate a child

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

Oh!

I am a retired school teacher. The system is useless! Teacher are given a syllabus and must follow it. No thinking or creativity for either for students or teachers. The homework is ridiculous! Left no time for a child to spend quality time with parents. I taught my son at home with many acres of woodland. He aced university and had scholarships. 🤗

In my opinion, a great deal of those who have resources, time and knowledge, have always seen for their children's best education interest. However, the majority of school systems are generalized, they hardly ever have the requirements to consider individuals. Most of us, if not all, tend to favor those comments which best suit our current situation or way of thinking, and forget the reasons why society supported certain systems. So, as a former teacher, do not judge them all the same, a great majority of teachers, are in between our moral judgment, peer pressure, supervisors, parents and children. And it doesn't matter how many years of giving your best, show results, or how many students still write you, telling you how much you changed their lives for the best, or the awards you have, all it takes, is one person who doesn’t like you enough, and sufficient inffluence, to disrupt your balance. In conclusion, if you have the means to help your children's education, do it, no one cares for children more than a parent, but if you need to send them to an institution, help the teachers help your children, and work with them, because, odds are, pay is not that high, so, they probably like teaching.

Okay, I am a substitute teacher, so I am biased towards traditional education. One of the weaknesses of unschooling is social development. Rarely do unschooled children get to socialize with other children, so often their social skills are underdeveloped. At worst, it can be a way to segregate students into just one social norm. Another point is that not all parents are college graduates, where it is required in most states that a teacher have at least a bachelor's degree. We have training in what are the proper expectations for each child's skills would be based on child development research. For example, since younger children have trouble with abstract processes, we know not to teach algebra until a child is in their teen years.

I think absolutely pure unschooling isn't the best. You still need some form of formal classes sometimes. Something like Outschool or classes at the museum or something. But what public school does to children, or even most private schools, is absolutely horrendous. I plan to do some form of homeschooling one day, probably a very eclectic approach

Hey! I prefer unschooling because that you can learn the types of things in which we are interest and decide what we want to do

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing

@brianharris7243

9 ай бұрын

Obviously doesn't teach English language usage.

@Ribberflavenous

9 ай бұрын

So no discipline developed in doing a task that is not 'fun' but still required? I think that is called a toddler.

@forpcb

9 ай бұрын

Not always.

@learnmore2707

9 ай бұрын

@@forpcb yes bro but unschooling have real life experiences which are more better than thorey....

As long as my child learns how to read and complex math that supports their ability to think for themselves I don't care how it gets done.

@andrewalderman9489

9 ай бұрын

So you would be okay with corporal punishment for wrong answers? (Yes, I am going to the extreme, but in some places, it still happens. )

When it comes to who should have the ultimate say so over what children learn, I think both. There's certain things that a child is required to learn at some point, like reading and basic math. While any person with common sense would probably teach a child this anyway, it's best to make sure that even bad parents (not suggesting all parents are bad) have to at least make their children capable of basic math and reading. And other stuff like psychology can be chosen or rejected by the parent or child.

In addition, the negative impact peer-pressure have on children. I think unschooling is a healthy way for children to learn, if children are nurtured with patience and consistency.

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

Yup!

i tried to find your website, which mentioned at the end of the video, but i can't! could you help me to share the link? thanks!

Modern public schooling varies greatly from region to region, country to country, with focuses going from critical thought development to wrote memorization (as described here). It is insulting to portray parents who don't "unschool" as lazy and indulgent and teachers as abusive, ignorant overlords. The teachers I have known for myself and my children are some of the most compassionate, hard-working, empathetic people I have ever had the luxury of meeting. This video seems to be a gateway for confirmation bais geared towards the people who think they know better than doctors and give their kids horse raddish to cure meningitis.

@WillemMulder

9 ай бұрын

Totally agree. Although to be fair, the fact that teachers would be compassionate, hard-working and empathic doesn't mean that school as a system is the best solution for all children. There are (happily) always compassionate, hard-working and empathic people that try to make the best of a bad situation - but it might be far better to change the system itself or (if that is not possible) work around the system to get the best for your kid specifically.

@ryanshewchuk3111

9 ай бұрын

@WillemMulder I agree that each family has to work with the circumstances that are set before them and that what works best for one is not what will necessarily be best for another. What is referenced to this video is extremely biased to one form of education being the greatest ever and another form being the road to fascism.

@MacroAggressor

9 ай бұрын

You're doing the same thing: equating parents who willingly put in the hard work to ensure that their children have to best chance at life to your stereotype of a backwards thinking fool.

I think the major thing is schools’ courses and objectives need to change. Example, history’s objective isn’t to remember a bunch of dates. It’s learn lessons. So rather than “What year did Germany invade Russia in the WWII?” Focus on showing the lesson, “This is why you don’t invade Russia during the winter” So I think, the major is that schools show worry less on what the kid is learning and more about WHY they should learn it now. It’s important to know grammar because this helps you express yourself. I would rewrite some of the curriculum. Creative writing +Literature: one to express the self, the other to find the words and material to express the self. (the reason art isn’t a HAVE to on this is because while its an expression of self or other situations, writing is a little more versatile for papers, resumes, rhetoric. Grammar: You can’t really express yourself if no one has a clue on what you’re saying. “Know the rules to break the rules.” Practical science: This is more like baking, electrical work. Basically, the science that a kid can use in every day life. This also includes medicine, biology, and chemistry, but under the focus of, “This is why you need to learn it.” Where is it?: Geography, if I give you a map, can you figure out where Turkey is and what it’s like. Basically, this is the class of “How not to look like a tourist.” Psychology: I feel like Psychology is the one class people would like to learn because, quite literally, it messes with their minds. It’s important for understand mental and emotional health to kids who desperately need to know what’s going on in their own heads. Lessons from History (This is includes American History and World History but are taught at the same level. I always found it odd that American History is taught three semesters but World History is taught one semester or isn’t.)

I have this burning desire of unschooling my child (which is extremely rare here) and prepare for his/her future in a good manner so that he/she will learn the required subjects but also explore alot of things. I am planning on this even before my marriage now since few years. Meanwhile, my nieces who live with my for most of the times are not forced to ace their school syllabus but only learn and understand it. The forced system of schools, their unnecessary loads of tests and grades systems doesn't feel good to me.

Schools don't have to be that way. I taught in a very small northern Canadian community college. Our classes were around 5-10 students each. We could adapt what had to be taught to what the students wanted. For example I taught Into to Physical Anthropology. One student took the course focusing on skills he would need as a police officer and another was learning how to Anthropology to improve her writing career.

I myself whom is a teacher in a preschool. Teaches kids by having them explore in their very own way. We take them outside as much as we possibly can. My mom, who subs for one school district, sees a lot of hands-on experiences and a lot of reaching out to children's needs. The other is not so much. One teacher didn’t care if a kid answered the standardized test questions correctly. She stated that the test just needed to be finished and submitted. I myself often thought about the direction that schools have been going. There's no doubt that one day our future kids will go to school because my husband and I will have to work to live. But with whatever subjects our future kids will be learning. I'd be happy to take them to museums and admerse them in such a subject when not at school the same way my parents did.

We should try overhaul the system first honestly

I have a son with severe autism and behavioral issues. I’m concerned he will hurt a teacher, himself, or another student at school. I was picking him up every other day. He is non verbal severely disabled and not potty trained. Public School is not working for him. Alternative schooling at home works much better and allows him time to calm himself before starting again.

Sounds amazing. Super curious how a society as such would look like when we no longer have all these shared beliefs of truths. Would we just fall back to religious warfare, or would this kind of mindset overcome that. By having developed a mindset that would approaches that different. Because they would have learned how to adapt to the (dynamic) world, rather than using their applied knowledge of their (static) world.

@Ribberflavenous

9 ай бұрын

I think it would depend on what source materials were required. I think there needs to be a shared belief in what maintains a free society and only one set of truths for education. That being said, religious beliefs are not the responsibility of the school and should be avoided in any way. Even comparative religious studies should be avoided until the student is in perhaps the senior year when they have theoretically developed adult reasoning. Up to that point, only respect of others could cover religion.

@BuildinWings

9 ай бұрын

@@Ribberflavenous Required source materials are what "unschoolers" oppose.

@Ribberflavenous

9 ай бұрын

@@BuildinWings I don't see how you can develop a society without some standardization of facts. If facts are a problem for 'unschoolers' then I have a problem with 'unschoolers'.

While I like how you explain the potential pros of unschooling, I think that not addressing the cons of it is a big mistake. While I agree that, in an ideal setting, unschooling might be better for a child then going to school, there are a lot of things that can go wrong. For example, not learning some of the basics that are taught throughout primary and middle school could make a person very ignorant to many things in the world (for example not knowing the some basic geography, history or math or some core scientific principles in physics, chemistry and biology). Additionally not going through a formal education sistem and simply "learning through life" might not give you enough expertise in any particular field to work at anything else then at McDonalds. To sumarize (so that I don't turn this into a thesis), while ideally not going to school could work, there would be numerous examples of parents being ignorant to what a child should learn and not sending them to shcool while not providing a decent alternative education, which is why at least primary and middle school ought to be compulsory, even if they might sometimes feel like a waste of time. And I think if you do a video on the topic you should address those problems.

@Mr.Goodkat

7 ай бұрын

The problem is that those basic things you name aren't taught at all in schooling, the vast majority of student's come out not knowing geography, history or math whilst those unschooled/home schooled routinely outperform them on these topics and remember *much* more of what they've learned, it's inevitable that if you force anyone to learn something boring to them they'll almost certainly forget it, never use it and because they had it forced on them be put off now pursuing it even when they had an interest in it before. Math people will 100% use calculators, as it's faster than their brains, they're more confident in it's conclusion and it can do bigger sums, whether they were unschooled or public school they'll all be able to just do this rendering learning it much less important than it was before, same with writing everyone's just going to type so whilst not completely useless it's getting increasingly so, everything evolves. Coercive learning is psychologically damaging, compulsory schooling is coercive learning, there's been a lot written about this Dr. Peter Gray is only one place we can start but lot's have pointed out in books, articles how it damages us and why it's not necessary, humans have something called an "innate learning drive" we are born with it (why little kids ask "why" constantly) and it's why we don't need to freak out so much about teaching language or ask "what if kids don't wanna learn how to speak?" and it's why reading/writing existed in every generation all the way into thousands of years BC and maintained itself throughout all that time without any of the resources we have today being passed down through every generation for much much longer than coercive schooling has and why the further one gets from compulsory schooling the higher their literacy and math actually become.

Does unschooling teach children to look at issues from more than one perspective, to question things and to analyze them critically? because there's none of that here.

This is why I absolutely love the Montessori method. Unfortunately schools are a very large part and one of the only places for a child to get a social life with people the same age, thankfully those life experiences, play, choosing what you want, chores, can be learned in a mixed environment of Montessori and at home. I just really wish it was more accessible, and was the standard instead of the exception, often an expensive one. I pray we move towards that more in the future

It is a very complicated issue to elucidate, something like the issue of vaccines. I agree that the school does not have the best answer to everything and that children are not empowered, but I wonder if parents will be able to do it. This story resembles Rousseau's idea of ​​educating the child in freedom, but how many parents have the knowledge and time to do it? Perhaps those who can afford a tutor. And that leads me to think: wouldn't it widen the gap with those who don't have resources?

@sprouts

9 ай бұрын

Hmmm...

How can parents strike a balance between unschooling and ensuring their children acquire essential foundational knowledge and skills for the future?

the Unscooling you describe in this is more reflective of a freeform homeschooling where the parents try to hit the major points but focus more on life skills than academics, I have previously heard the term Unschooling used by people trying make their kids unlearn things taught in schools such as science and literacy for either religious reasons such as beliefs conflicting with science, or for selfish reasons like making kids artificially illiterate or infantilised for purposes like government support payments or to keep the child as "their baby" forever.

We always say kids are all unique yet we expect them to all learn the same😢

This is all good and well, and I agree with a lot in this video - but I also think many schools have evolved. We have a great school and teacher. But my kid is not a 'fit in a box' kind of child. She is struggling. Most homes have full-time working parents tho... so neither unschooling nor homeschooling are realistic options for most of us.

I still go to school and i feel calm and even comfort at school, we rarely take tests and we achieve many things

@something-hs1ui

Ай бұрын

Omg your school seems good where is it

@Memecats69

Ай бұрын

@@something-hs1ui none of your business :)

@something-hs1ui

Ай бұрын

@@Memecats69 I mean which country

Honestly, because schools seem to be more grooming, indoctrination and memorize focused, then actually teaching kids how to rationally think for themselves, provide information, life skills etc.

@SethHirschman

9 ай бұрын

More kids are molested by their parents than their teachers. By all means, take away kids' ability to speak out though. You're doing a great job of selling them to your priests.

@kcufhctib204

9 ай бұрын

The difference between teaching and grooming is entirely subjective.

@BrotherHood-xh9sg

9 ай бұрын

@@kcufhctib204 Not really. Because showing sexual content like teaching kids how to give blowjobs, is universally considerd grooming and if you think otherwise, please post your address, name and other personal information so that the ones who are more sane, can put you 6ft under. I get what you tried to say, but you utterly failed and said something moronic.

@pisces031372aj

9 ай бұрын

Spoken like someone who wants to indoctrinate a child to know only what they want them to know. Factual or not. Children should learn facts, even the ones parents don't like or understand. When you only give then half facts you're doing them a disservice.

@BrotherHood-xh9sg

9 ай бұрын

@@pisces031372aj xD I am the one against indoctrination. Since schools groom and indoctrinate kids into the "facts" they like. It's better to remove the grooming and take your chance with the parents. At least with the parents, the odds are higher kids actually learn to think for themselves. So you're wrong.

As someone who despise school this is informative and more people should understand this that and there are more dangers about public schools than someone doing a shooting.

@SethHirschman

9 ай бұрын

Like letting you graduate with such poor writing ability?

@ringneck7500

9 ай бұрын

@@SethHirschman or not teaching anything at all.

@SethHirschman

9 ай бұрын

@@ringneck7500 So your reading comprehension is also poor.

@ringneck7500

9 ай бұрын

@@SethHirschman sadly yes

I have had projects on my shoulders that if successful would provide more money for me, more secure jobs for my colleagues, and more jobs for my company and I have never felt so much pressure as taking an exam in school.

If the parent has the time and discipline to learn the subjects and techniques, there will never be a better way for kids to learn. It is also inherently limited as only one view point is being presented, and is particularly dangerous when radical ideologies are being indoctrinated with inaccurate source materials. If the parent is required to use approved materials and tested independently for proficiency in the material, and approval of that home schooling is dependent on that proficiency, I am all for it. Unfortunately, if you look at the setbacks in education tied to the Covid outbreak, I think there is evidence that the parents are falling short, however well meaning they are. The households that can basically operate on a single income so that one can take on the educational responsibilities are few, so what is to be done for the people that need both incomes or are single parents? I also don't agree that creating worker drones with centuries old factory style learning is the way to go either. There are numerous very good learning programs that could be coupled with in-session testing that could adhere to standardized curriculum material that approach the subjects in a variety of ways. Also remember that little Johnny has to cope with an employer's expectations, so learning skills cannot be totally tailored to their likes, they have to learn to cope with the environment they will enter as an adult. Screens are the way kids view the world now, for good or ill, so why not reach them in a way that they can digest? We will still need teachers to evaluate what methods are best for each student and help them with whatever they are struggling with, but that would be much more individualized and address learning challenges more effectively than just pounding them into a square hole.

I would never send my son to a public school today. I pray for parents who have no choice. I believe parents using private schools should get aa tax break. And my opinion of homeschooling by qualified parents and agends programs from thinking it to a joke to thinking it may be the best option based case by case. Unschooling sounds interesting, but still requires much from parents as it should.

As a former teacher, I fully agree public schools are horrible. If possibly, get your gets into a better education system. Private, home, religious, anything but public school.

As someone from a family that forced me to go through the school system. (They even expect me to go to college, they care very much about my thingy for getting into college.) I hated school ever since I was forced to retake 1st grade because "I didn’t had friends". Wow. Not like they don't ever give opportunity to make friends and I'm already very braindead at when recess comes to the point I find it better to be alone and that most or all of the kids do not click with me. Nope it's me. (That was around 2016 or 2017.) Now I'm going to high school. And my family is pushing me to be the top of the class (grade of the school wide i think). I even heard my mom that I would be sad if I "got any lower". True. I would still be sad if i got thr top. I would only be fucking truly happy if i drop-out and do whatever the hell I want. Because I know i'm more likely going to be a criminal or terrorist the more I go to that hell.

I have seen unschoolers! They dont seem smart! Children needs either school or home school

Regarding the fact that I actually agree in many statements at this video, I believe the mentioned methods is not how schooling works at many schools nowadays. Most schools have adapted to the growing and changing world… (not all but why not debate on the adaptation?) Most schools are not giving homework and if they are it is only for them to make the knowledge they learn become permanent by home practice not taking longer than 10-15 minutes a day… it may be necessary as getting back to what you already know is the way to make a knowledge enter the long term memory. children’s role is not to shut up and listen and take notes but an active contribution, debate, practice is necessary and the methods described here are not the basics … yes the children are not paid but they are learning so why should they? Knowledge is valuable enough to even pay for it… And yes it is a long tiring day it’s only because there is so much that needs to be introduced so the child discovers as many as they can and may eliminate anything they are not interested later in life… there are points that I agree of course but some extra questions also arises within me and before I dig deeper into research I want to ask you guys about your opinions at this matter… *Socialisation is very important from young age and the more people a child meets the more they grow at each level right? It’s not just the curriculum , it’s also the wide range of variety of people they meet while they go to schools that contributes to their growth with debates and many views individually described + at breaks where they socialise… this will be a problem when unschooling . how will this problem be solved while unschooling and how is this effecting children who are homeschooled? * even if the kids are able to learn as there is a capability of reaching to basically any knowledge on internet now, will the kids learn as much as they do at school at their own while they are unschooled? Who decides what is the best and most importantly necessary knowledge they will receive? How are they being protected from harmful contents and if not at the internet who becomes their mentor while learning in life? How will they be protected from unnecessary knowledge, wasting time, procrastination etc? Why don’t we really debate on what is necessary for a child to learn instead of discussing about where because envieonments of a child can be controlled… * I respect individualism but I also respect the ability to work within a group, having the ability to understand each other, become widely open enough to emphasise with others feelings and at a world crowded with growing population of human can we realistically stop competition? In other words let’s say the child is being protected from the school environment, how are they going to be protected from the system of life? And for me other then knowledge , the first thing I want for my child is happiness… will my child be a happy human in this world or by keeping them away from a system will I be creating an unhappy alien? What sort of connections will my kid have? + Will they always have the freedom to do everything at there own speed in their journey of life? * is unschooling really the best option or are there any other possible ways to eliminate the negatives mentioned and provide better? I am not biased as a person at the education field, I am trying to understand as a person in the education field so please feel free to debate with me…

I tend to think that public schools could make a great number of changes to their educational methodology based on unschooling. Electives, creative inquiries, and coops are excellent ways of doing this. Making failure more acceptable (if not encouraging it) would also help a lot. By this I mean, allowing kids to fail and become better later on is a good thing. The point of schools is to make knowledge and resources otherwise inaccessible accessible. With unschooling, I fear that kids will not be able to learn as much and, more insidiously, be prevented from learning important things because their parents don’t want them to. As someone who was raised in a fundamentalist religious community, I know lots of parents who make sure their kids don’t get sex education or learn real science. A big issue with these kinds of conversations is that people act like parents are infallible. Allowing kids to experience the points of view of other kids and adults in school opens up their world and can help them reflect on their parents’ views and make decisions for themselves.

The best method is having both. Children SHOULD join their parents in their job. And jobs SHOULD be accepting the presence of kids. This will make parents more ... well... parent, as they teach and discipline their child at the same time as working. Children MUST learn how to read and write, and even more importantly, how to navigate the World Wide Web. Government must finance locations to be open for families and learning, like biodomes, aquariums, etc. This way families can have nice activities WHILE learning.

As an kid with aspergers syndrome, i am in school but in better way, online school, while in school they bully you and make fun of + give a load of stress, in online school theres no bullying and no social life (witch i prefer). But i can imagine the posibilities of unschooling

I seriously challenge everyone to learn about the experience, research and findings of John Taylor Gatto concerning the American education system. The need to end this institution is very real. Bells every 45 minutes or so damage developing minds. Unfortunately, most cannot afford the time or money, or are not prepared emotionally or informationally to engage with alternatives effectively. Nevertheless we must find a way because there is very much a causal link between modern institutional education methods and the lack of the very resources listed above. Helluva catch-22, but here we are.

The rapid evolution of artificial intelligence will completely re-frame the debate over this issue.

Yes yes yes to taking children out of the public system!

I am 46. Last year i discovered i have aphantasia. My mind and approximately 3% that have it work significantly different than others. We dont experience thoughts in a sensory way. No imagination, no ability to visualize. I went through college, minored in psychology and this condition was unknown to myself and the world until 2015. Schools dont care about understanding, just teaching to the test, of which aphantasia didnt exist. Educational systems failed to take the time to understand how we think differently. Successful people learn all their lives through discovery. There is too much in the world in 2023 to fit in a single curriculum. Better to have diversity in educational experiences. We are unschooling our child, whom also has aphantasia, which you cant learn much about in a book as its newly discovered...so we self learn through experiments etc.

When I become a teacher I don’t want to school, I want to unschool although it will be hard I’m determined to make the best learning environment for future generations as best as I can

School should prepare you to be a working member of society. Big firms/corporations will give you tasks and deadlines, and also rewards or punishments depending on if the tasks are finished successfully and if the deadlines are met. Also, there is expectation of punctuality, obedience to the authority and professionalism. I'm not sure you can learn most of that at home and just learning on your own. Especially regarding particular fields like medicine, engineering, chemistry etc. You do need some sort of boring formal education to kick-start your learning curve in a specific field and then later you can independently build on the foundation you learned at school. The other thing is, I don't know about hiring tutors and learning through traveling part. Most of us don't have money to continuously learn that way. In my country, schooling is generally very affordable for most of people (especially comparing to other countries), even at the university level because most of us are eligible for state-sponsored scholarships. This sounds like a great idea, but seems too unfeasible to me.

I think that the human are super smart and they learn to do/be things we can’t imagine, but to be able to learn it from young age. The age that is being waisted is what called School.

Home schooling is good but I am not a fan of unschooling. Still, nice video explaining it so thank you!

Neglectful parent: I don't care what my free babysitters teach them seven hours a day...so long as their not my problem, I don't care. Kid (now and adult): **marches into parents home and has them arrested** Just following orders, hyuck!

You neglected to mention Religious Indoctrination

@lovisaricks9168

Ай бұрын

Or modern Darwinism.

I remain skeptical. The panel at 5:42 says it all to me. The quiet part is said out loud, and remains wrong.

I don’t agree with unschooling and here’s why: Having the ability to unschool is for middle upper and upper class people. To unschool, a parent would need to stay home part or full time to make sure the student is learning - while still making enough money to live a comfortable life. Lower class people just can’t afford to take time off work for that. And with no current standardized lessons there will be many unschooled students graduating without having proper reading / math skills. We don’t want American students falling behind even more than they already are. It would be better to spend this time trying to reform our public schools with more practical lessons and job training. Unschooling and homeschooling is just rich people “ jumping ship” from a failing system instead of contributing money to help make it better.

@jaykay5142

Ай бұрын

"Rich people jumping ship" is a great way to put it, well said